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Sometimes I saw in reputation bord that some red trust members appeal about removing their red trust by saying that the account does not belong to them like in the picture below. I take that screenshot from my local board and after that, I was thinking what if someone tries to do something illegal to get me a red trust for taking revenge. Sometimes we argue with some people in the forum and it's possible that some of them took those different opinions as offensive behavior and try to take revenge. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F9wcjMtG.png&t=665&c=0USya4TOUS-7FA) 1. They could use a newbie account to post of POA with the same telegram address and username that I have used in other bounty campaigns. 2. They could have to take entry in the spreadsheet with that false information too. 3. Someone could copy my POA info and post them unconsciously by not changing them. Sometimes hunters get limited time to join a campaign because of the limited available spot so they could try to copy the previous person's POA info and change them to join faster. This type of human error could be done. Though I have joined only one bounty campaign till now. If this happens how I will show I am not guilty?
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yahoo62278
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May 25, 2022, 05:44:26 PM Last edit: June 07, 2023, 06:12:52 PM by yahoo62278 |
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Sometimes I saw in reputation bord that some red trust members appeal about removing their red trust by saying that the account does not belong to them like in the picture below. I take that screenshot from my local board and after that, I was thinking what if someone tries to do something illegal to get me a red trust for taking revenge. Sometimes we argue with some people in the forum and it's possible that some of them took those different opinions as offensive behavior and try to take revenge. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftalkimg.com%2Fimages%2F2023%2F06%2F07%2Fwr4ez.png&t=665&c=evI7K3CaqWbj3Q) 1. They could use a newbie account to post of POA with the same telegram address and username that I have used in other bounty campaigns. 2. They could have to take entry in the spreadsheet with that false information too. 3. Someone could copy my POA info and post them unconsciously by not changing them. Sometimes hunters get limited time to join a campaign because of the limited available spot so they could try to copy the previous person's POA info and change them to join faster. This type of human error could be done. Though I have joined only one bounty campaign till now. If this happens how I will show I am not guilty? You're not gonna get tagged for someone copying you POA. All of these connected accounts have other issues besides a copied POA. Wallets connected, usernames same on social medias when user applies with different accounts, as well as other things. Don't be greedy. Users get caught being greedy.
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JeromeTash
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May 25, 2022, 08:14:27 PM |
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1. They could use a newbie account to post of POA with the same telegram address and username that I have used in other bounty campaigns. 2. They could have to take entry in the spreadsheet with that false information too. 3. Someone could copy my POA info and post them unconsciously by not changing them. Sometimes hunters get limited time to join a campaign because of the limited available spot so they could try to copy the previous person's POA info and change them to join faster. This type of human error could be done.
Though I have joined only one bounty campaign till now. If this happens how I will show I am not guilty?
Apart from just the posted POA, there are other patterns that are looked into by DT members. So you shouldn't worry about your account getting tagged because some bounty hunter mistakenly or maliciously copied your POA. Take an example of this case, there is a lot of compelling evidence showing that the person is cheating bounties using so many accounts
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LoyceV
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May 25, 2022, 08:27:40 PM |
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1. They could use a newbie account to post of POA with the same telegram address and username that I have used in other bounty campaigns. If someone posts 1NXYoJ5xU91Jp83XfVMHwwTUyZFK64BoAD as their address, that doesn't make them theymos. If this happens how I will show I am not guilty? You can't. That's why it's useless evidence, don't worry about it. As long as you don't do bad things, there can't be evidence.
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examplens
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May 25, 2022, 11:23:40 PM |
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Though I have joined only one bounty campaign till now. If this happens how I will show I am not guilty?
To start, I suggest you stake your Bitcoin address on the thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.0If anything goes wrong with your account, signing the address will help you in case you have to prove ownership of the account. If you ever see abuse like the one you mentioned, write here and expose what happened. For the red tag, you need to worry if it comes from DT members, and most reputed members try not to give an inappropriate red tag.
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The Sceptical Chymist
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May 26, 2022, 02:05:13 AM |
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Excellent advice, and it made me wonder whether newbies know to do that or not--at least if they're concerned about proving who they are. I originally staked an address so long ago that I forgot how I found out how and why it should be done. And OP, if you're still reading replies in this thread, listen to what everyone has said so far, because it's all correct information. Basically unless you're cheating in bounties by using alt accounts that can be linked with blockchain evidence, you have nothing to worry about. I was thinking what if someone tries to do something illegal to get me a red trust for taking revenge.
If someone wanted to get revenge, they'd most likely just leave a negative trust themselves instead of taking their chances by framing you in a bounty application. If you look at the feedback of many DT members you'll see that there's tons of red trust--and that's because members retaliate when they're tagged for doing something shady. So I'd be more worried about that than the scenario you described. And if a non-DT member leaves you a neg, it's pretty much meaningless anyway.
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NeuroticFish
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May 26, 2022, 07:56:24 AM |
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To start, I suggest you stake your Bitcoin address on the thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.0If anything goes wrong with your account, signing the address will help you in case you have to prove ownership of the account. If you ever see abuse like the one you mentioned, write here and expose what happened. For the red tag, you need to worry if it comes from DT members, and most reputed members try not to give an inappropriate red tag. I don't know on what extent can this work, still, I've got and idea and I'll write it here: Use trigger/notifier tool that will tell you whenever your "details" are written by the others. This usually goes for the username, but I it may work with address(es), twitter name or such. This way you can find out very quick if others impersonate you (willingly or by mistake) and you can react in an appropriate manner, complaining ASAP about that, hence keeping your name clean.
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May 26, 2022, 09:54:25 AM |
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Though I have joined only one bounty campaign till now. If this happens how I will show I am not guilty?
One member can give you negative trust for one reason or another, but if several members do this, you only have to prove the opposite of what they say, and if you succeed in proving this, you will get positive trust higher than the negative, which required to participate in signature campaigns. So you don't have to worry about such things, as long as you don't break the rules, follow the campaign terms, you won't have a problem. As for how to prove the opposite, it depends on the evidence presented against you. Mostly, copying what you do is not enough to link accounts unless it is supported by other evidence such as writing style, sending coins between addresses, using the same social media, publishing the same content using Several accounts and personal recognition.
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LoyceV
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May 26, 2022, 10:10:01 AM |
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you only have to prove the opposite of what they say You can't prove you didn't do something. It's like trying to prove The Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist. You can't! See Wiki on Falsifiability. Even on Bitcointalk, "innocent until proven guilty" should apply. Before accusing someone, you should ask yourself if it could happen to you. Anyone can post my address and say they're me. As long as I don't confirm it, you shouldn't believe them.
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YOSHIE
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May 26, 2022, 10:58:27 AM |
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Proof of connection, not only based on the same Address and POA or linked to Alt 1,2&3 accounts. In the same case, the suggestion from @examplens, your way of proving, that you are innocent, that's the best thing you can do.
For your questions below, there are answers and back questions that you must answer. 1. They could use a newbie account to post of POA with the same telegram address and username that I have used in other bounty campaigns.
cases like this can be proven in another way, if a beginner does it. 1. What if the rookie is already working on another bounty and he receives a token with the same address as Alt 1,2&3, a different campaign, before they are caught cheating in the same bounty, Whether such a case can be said Alt, or brother, falsified or indisputable. 2. They could have to take entry in the spreadsheet with that false information too.
This is the same case as number one, the best solution you do. 1. Notify the Bounty manager, the rookie faked a spreadsheet and used your address and you created a topic in Reputation for abusing yours and warned him on a neutral profile, you're safe. 3. Someone could copy my POA info and post them unconsciously by not changing them. Sometimes hunters get limited time to join a campaign because of the limited available spot so they could try to copy the previous person's POA info and change them to join faster. This type of human error could be done.
As long as he doesn't enter the token delivery address in the spreadsheet, just copies, it's fine for them. But in most cases they copy the POA in a hurry, but the address in the spreadsheet is different from the copy of the POA, why don't they in the POA change it and in the spreadsheet they change it. For that before sending the application check carefully whether it is correct or not, if you don't want to have problems or be accused of an Alt account.
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DVlog (OP)
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May 26, 2022, 12:04:40 PM |
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you only have to prove the opposite of what they say You can't prove you didn't do something. It's like trying to prove The Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist. You can't! See Wiki on Falsifiability. Even on Bitcointalk, "innocent until proven guilty" should apply. Before accusing someone, you should ask yourself if it could happen to you. Anyone can post my address and say they're me. As long as I don't confirm it, you shouldn't believe them. I was also thinking about this because you can not prove something that you haven't done. Innocent until proven guilty. 3. Someone could copy my POA info and post them unconsciously by not changing them. Sometimes hunters get limited time to join a campaign because of the limited available spot so they could try to copy the previous person's POA info and change them to join faster. This type of human error could be done.
As long as he doesn't enter the token delivery address in the spreadsheet, just copies, it's fine for them. But in most cases they copy the POA in a hurry, but the address in the spreadsheet is different from the copy of the POA, why don't they in the POA change it and in the spreadsheet they change it. For that before sending the application check carefully whether it is correct or not, if you don't want to have problems or be accused of an Alt account. What if he submits the google form with my address too? This is the thing that I was talking about. Though in most cases I saw they have used the same telegram ID in different profile.
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Awaklara
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May 26, 2022, 12:10:39 PM |
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1. They could use a newbie account to post of POA with the same telegram address and username that I have used in other bounty campaigns.
To Resolve your concerns about Newbie (scamers) account posting POA on another bounty campaign/same bounty campaign using your data information, then investigators will further review to find legitimate account ownership and exclude fraudsters stealing your data. 2. They could have to take entry in the spreadsheet with that false information too.
If the fraudster registers using all your data information on the spreadsheet table consciously, then you just need to contact the bounty manager and confirm that the fraudster is trying to frame you. Different story: usually scammers will use all copies (twitter profile, facebook, telegram) belonging to you and only exclude wallet addresses. 3. Someone could copy my POA info and post them unconsciously by not changing them. Sometimes hunters get limited time to join a campaign because of the limited available spot so they could try to copy the previous person's POA info and change them to join faster. This type of human error could be done.
Regarding point 3. I advise you to read my messed up investigation on the past. Instead of copying the previous person POA right? and If it is done unconsciously then the valid account ownership will re-edit the POA proof before registering it in the spreadsheet table. And Also, usually valid Account ownership, they will reconfirm by providing more evidence to support the claim need to be underlined with a note there is no history connected to each other eg (proof of wallet transactions) A - B.
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May 26, 2022, 12:13:04 PM |
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Use trigger/notifier tool that will tell you whenever your "details" are written by the others.
it's probably a way that the OP and other bounty hunters can use to protect their accounts from people plagiarizing the POA. I'm sure the user name setting can be done. but does it work for other data like social media profiles or addresses? Though I have joined only one bounty campaign till now. If this happens how I will show I am not guilty?
OP, when you find out your data is being used by another account. you must immediately report it to the bounty manager. it will help you when you do your defense evidence if your account is tagged by a DT member. but some cases that I found. bounty hunter accounts that say they accidentally plagiarized POA they transact blockchain with each other.
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it's probably a way that the OP and other bounty hunters can use to protect their accounts from people plagiarizing the POA. I'm sure the user name setting can be done. but does it work for other data like social media profiles or addresses?
We can try that: would you be so kind and write into a post the bech32 Bitcoin address from my profile? If it works, my smart band will notify me. (Of course, for an accurate test you should neither quote me, nor write my name)
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To Resolve your concerns about Newbie (scamers) account posting POA on another bounty campaign/same bounty campaign using your data information This reminds me: a few years back, there were bounty spammers who used many established usernames for Google Docs spam. That was before the "proof of authentication" BS, which meant they could just pretend to be (amongst others) me.
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This reminds me: a few years back, there were bounty spammers who used many established usernames for Google Docs spam.
when did that happen,exactly? or maybe before I know the existence of this forum. That was before the "proof of authentication" BS, which meant they could just pretend to be (amongst others) me.
seemed to sound like prestige.
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sorry OP, maybe that would seem off-topic. I want to see if it works?
bech32 Bitcoin address on your profile: bc1qlnzyltd6nej2qw6l6pxjzpx2ae80r82a5hzdfx
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sorry OP, maybe that would seem off-topic. I want to see if it works?
Confirmed: it does work. I've used the "tracked phrases" option in TryNinja's Telegram bot ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5248878.0 )
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To Resolve your concerns about Newbie (scamers) account posting POA on another bounty campaign/same bounty campaign using your data information This reminds me: a few years back, there were bounty spammers who used many established usernames for Google Docs spam. That was before the "proof of authentication" BS, which meant they could just pretend to be (amongst others) me. this brings me back to the discussion from your thread Why not tag all bounty hunters?, bounty managers need to make some changes and improve the way they run their campaigns. For example, they can start by finding a more efficient way for hunter's authentification.
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May 26, 2022, 01:29:09 PM |
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this brings me back to the discussion from your thread Why not tag all bounty hunters?, bounty managers need to make some changes and improve the way they run their campaigns. For example, they can start by finding a more efficient way for hunter's authentification. And since we seem to keep going somewhat off-topic I'll say another idea that came into my mind: maybe se should start tagging bounty managers for poorly done job, negligence, not actually caring about impersonation or multi-accounts and so on? The currently poor POA done in threads and Google sheets can be part of the list.
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