Remove "Report to moderator" from Wall Observer

[suchmoon]

Since no one seems to handling reports there anyway, even plagiarists are still happily plagiarising.

And yes, I do realize that removing the link might be too much of a hassle for the extremely busy staff, so maybe just put a piece of tape over it or something.

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Thank you suchmoon for posting this but you have no proof that the two posts are worth to be deleted. Just saying that. But I have known you to be actively reporting shit posts and I believe you about this but if the posts are not known, it may not yield anything good result. I wish moderators to concentrate on Wall Observer thread and look into the two posts.

[suchmoon]

Thank you suchmoon for posting this but you have no proof that the two posts are worth to be deleted. Just saying that. But I have known you to be actively reporting shit posts and I believe you about this but if the posts are not known, it may not yield anything good result. I wish moderators to concentrate on Wall Observer thread and look into the two posts.

The proof has been submitted to moderators. They can open the queue right now and check it and I'm sure admins can check older reports as well. If it was a bad report it should be a bad report, otherwise the users should be banned, not just the posts deleted.

Obviously no one bothered to even check it, because it was blatant copy-pasta, reported properly including a link to the original. One of the users had been reported 3 or 4 times over the last few months.

The point is not about the two posts, there have been many more ignored reports that already fell of my report list. The point is - remove the useless "Report to moderator" link in the WO thread because it's misleading and a waste of time.

Edit: confusing wording.

[sheenshane]

As we can see, there's no moderator on that section and I have doubted this thread was on the moderator ignore list (the same on the signature, it's not counted post), IMO.  It's also a self-moderated thread, OP can delete those spam or plagiarised posts since Op was still active.

I tend to agree with your point but if moderators usually ignored reports on that thread it might as a reporter we avoid reporting that thread (adjustment) but in plagiarism case, that's very sensitive since it's a mortal sin here.  Moderator should look at it and ban that user.

We need a clear answer to the moderators why they do ignore reports that come from the WO thread or mark them as "unhandled".
So that reporters know this and avoid reporting that thread and just as is that there's a "report to moderator" button.

I support the removal of the "report to moderator" button if that is the case but I want to hear first the moderator's side.

Just my personal opinion.

[Despairo]

Instead of removing it, moderator can change it to "Report to WO's moderator"



@El duderino_ , @fillippone , @JayJuanGee , @LFC_Bitcoin ,and @BobLawblaw are the nominees to become a WO's moderator. Many newbies who often posted big images, pointless news without any Bitcoin relation and especially posting shitcoins are really dumb /facepalm.

Anyway have you make a report on this thread? Report plagiarism (copy/paste) here. Mods: please give temp or permban as needed to gain moderator attention about from your report.

[fillippone]

Instead of removing it, moderator can change it to "Report to WO's moderator"



@El duderino_ , @fillippone , @JayJuanGee , @LFC_Bitcoin ,and @BobLawblaw are the nominees to become a WO's moderator. Many newbies who often posted big images, pointless news without any Bitcoin relation and especially posting shitcoins are really dumb /facepalm.

Thanks, but no thanks.
I don’t want to be elected moderator on the WO to delete or amend posts.
My moderation ideas are different from imposing my view on something.
So I give up this particular moderation idea.

[suchmoon]

Anyway have you make a report on this thread? Report plagiarism (copy/paste) here. Mods: please give temp or permban as needed to gain moderator attention about from your report.

Are you serious? The posts have been reported to mods. That's all the attention a simple case of plagiarism needs.

And again, this thread is not about reporting plagiarism. I know how to do it. I've done it literally thousands of times. But I'm a big fan of informed decisions, so if plagiarism (as well as begging, death threats, etc) is allowed in WO - which it apparently is - then it makes no sense to have a misleading "Report to moderator" link there as there is nothing to report.

[Shamm]

Instead of removing it, moderator can change it to "Report to WO's moderator"



@El duderino_ , @fillippone , @JayJuanGee , @LFC_Bitcoin ,and @BobLawblaw are the nominees to become a WO's moderator. Many newbies who often posted big images, pointless news without any Bitcoin relation and especially posting shitcoins are really dumb /facepalm.

Anyway have you make a report on this thread? Report plagiarism (copy/paste) here. Mods: please give temp or permban as needed to gain moderator attention from your report.

The users you've been mentioned above are those forum members that very active in Wall observer and yes you are right mate 1 of these users who mentioned above are the best choice to become a moderator of the wall observer.
 they are working with it and sharing information, makes friends and a good contributors.
And in the Op says that there's many report from the WO but still un handle hope it will be handled soon.

[Z-tight]

then it makes no sense to have a misleading "Report to moderator" link there as there is nothing to report.

What if you personally stop reporting posts there, from your observation it is futile to do so, no use to keep doing it.

And yes, I do realize that removing the link might be too much of a hassle for the extremely busy staff, so maybe just put a piece of tape over it or something.

Theymos would not remove the "report to moderator" link, i guess you know that too because you sound sarcastic here. Just stop reporting anything there to save you the headache.

[shahzadafzal]

It's you.......................!!! I have been wondering who's reporting my WO posts??

Obviously no one bothered to even check it, because it was blatant copy-pasta with a link to the original.

That's not pilgrims... or you mean with a no link to the original?

[suchmoon]

then it makes no sense to have a misleading "Report to moderator" link there as there is nothing to report.

What if you personally stop reporting posts there, from your observation it is futile to do so, no use to keep doing it.

And yes, I do realize that removing the link might be too much of a hassle for the extremely busy staff, so maybe just put a piece of tape over it or something.

Theymos would not remove the "report to moderator" link, i guess you know that too because you sound sarcastic here. Just stop reporting anything there to save you the headache.

I have already stopped of course, I'm not an idiot, at least not to that extent. But I'm a very caring person and the concern for the wellbeing of other reporters is what keeps me up at night. Thus this thread.

It's you.......................!!! I have been wondering who's reporting my WO posts??

I don't remember reporting you. I kinda doubt that you have posted blatant copy-pasta without reference

Obviously no one bothered to even check it, because it was blatant copy-pasta with a link to the original.

That's not pilgrims... or you mean with a no link to the original?

I mean my reports all have links to the original text, i.e. all the proof the mods need if they had bothered to actually spend 30 seconds checking the report. The posts themselves had no links to the sources, or any other indication that the text was copied.

Edit: grammar.

[Poker Player]

I understand suchmoon. As much as WO is a special part of the forum where things are tolerated that are not tolerated in other parts of the forum, I don't see why plagiarism should be tolerated there. One-liners, over quotes, etc. are OK in my opinion, but not plagiarism.

In theory there should be someone moderating plagiarism and other aspects, if we go by what is said in the thread:

Special Wall Observer rules: bitcointalk.org moderators do not moderate the Wall Observer thread for multi-posting (except obvious spam), trolling, or on-topicness. Do not use this form to report those violations; instead, contact the thread owner. Reports of other rule violations are OK here.

I imagine there will be some explanation for the unhandled plagiarism reports from suchmoon there, like the moderators are too busy and haven't even looked at it, but as a result of this thread they should deal with them.

Theymos would not remove the "report to moderator" link, i guess you know that too because you sound sarcastic here.

Of course he sounds sarcastic, I liked his approach to the problem.

[Despairo]

Are you serious? The posts have been reported to mods. That's all the attention a simple case of plagiarism needs.

Perhaps they missed your report? it's possible and that's why report on that's thread is one of to gain moderators attention. I don't know either report to moderator or report to that thread are better, but there's nothing wrong to do both.

There's already similar thread before What happened to the forum plagiarism rules? it seems moderators taking an action after he created new thread, though there's still one who not get banned yet.

I ever saw a post get removed on WO thread, but I don't know it's either @infofront, the poster or the moderator who taking the decision. Giving publicity who delete a post doesn't sound a good idea, this could be useful for some case e.g. to know the user is a liar or honest.

[suchmoon]

Are you serious? The posts have been reported to mods. That's all the attention a simple case of plagiarism needs.

Perhaps they missed your report? it's possible and that's why report on that's thread is one of to gain moderators attention. I don't know either report to moderator or report to that thread are better, but there's nothing wrong to do both.

If moderators "miss" that many reports then perhaps they shouldn't be moderators.

[Igebotz]

Are you serious? The posts have been reported to mods. That's all the attention a simple case of plagiarism needs.

Perhaps they missed your report? it's possible and that's why report on that's thread is one of to gain moderators attention. I don't know either report to moderator or report to that thread are better, but there's nothing wrong to do both.

If moderators "miss" that many reports then perhaps they shouldn't be moderators.

I think infofront was voted and appointed as the moderator of that thread a few years ago. I see he's still very active on the forum; perhaps he should tell us why the thread is still facing the same disaster that caused theymos to lock it sometime ago. I also believe, is why moderators have stopped paying attention to reports from that thread.

The thread appears to be the longest serving and has the most pages; it serves an important purpose, but something must be done to keep it alive.

[suchmoon]

I think infofront was voted and appointed as the moderator of that thread a few years ago. I see he's still very active on the forum; perhaps he should tell us why the thread is still facing the same disaster that caused theymos to lock it sometime ago. I also believe, is why moderators have stopped paying attention to reports from that thread.

This has nothing to do with infofront. Forum moderators - not infofront - should handle plagiarism and other serious violations, or at least that's what it says when you click "Report to moderator" in WO.

[OgNasty]

Are you serious? The posts have been reported to mods. That's all the attention a simple case of plagiarism needs.

Perhaps they missed your report? it's possible and that's why report on that's thread is one of to gain moderators attention. I don't know either report to moderator or report to that thread are better, but there's nothing wrong to do both.

If moderators "miss" that many reports then perhaps they shouldn't be moderators.

I think infofront was voted and appointed as the moderator of that thread a few years ago. I see he's still very active on the forum; perhaps he should tell us why the thread is still facing the same disaster that caused theymos to lock it sometime ago. I also believe, is why moderators have stopped paying attention to reports from that thread.

The thread appears to be the longest serving and has the most pages; it serves an important purpose, but something must be done to keep it alive.

Like you touched on, it's the longest thread on this forum and so there's a little bit of a reason why moderators might not want to constantly be attending to it.  We all probably want to see it continue to grow and it doesn't seem to be doing any harm to anyone.  I like glancing over the most recent posts to get a feel for the market.  I don't think moderators spending their time on that thread is a very good use of time, but neither is spending development time removing features from it.  I think this is one of those situations where the problem isn't really bothering anyone, so there's no need to be a Karen about it.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

One-liners, over quotes, etc. are OK in my opinion, but not plagiarism.

I get that the WO thread is akin to a gated community on this site, but I don't see any reason (except for moderator manpower) why any of those things should be tolerated there and nowhere else on bitcointalk.  Is this really a forum where there's a single thread full of elite-class members exempt from the rules?  Gimme an effin' break, eh?

In theory there should be someone moderating plagiarism and other aspects

Theoretically moderating a thread that's apparently above the law doesn't do a hell of a lot of good.  In practice there ought to be a moderator covering that thread, preferably someone who's impartial and has no ties to it.  There's already too much of the old-boy's-club stink about the WO thread.

[suchmoon]

Like you touched on, it's the longest thread on this forum and so there's a little bit of a reason why moderators might not want to constantly be attending to it.

Nice strawman, but no one is expecting moderators to be constantly attending it. A report is a report, it should be handled. It doesn't require any more moderator's time regardless of where it came from.

One-liners, over quotes, etc. are OK in my opinion, but not plagiarism.

I get that the WO thread is akin to a gated community on this site, but I don't see any reason (except for moderator manpower) why any of those things should be tolerated there and nowhere else on bitcointalk.  Is this really a forum where there's a single thread full of elite-class members exempt from the rules?  Gimme an effin' break, eh?

Simple "spammy" posts are accepted in that thread, because it's that kind of thread. It's more of a chatroom. I don't see a problem with that.

And even if plagiarism was allowed there, that's still just one thread that can be easily avoided by those who don't appreciate this kind of "freedom". Again, no big deal for me, although I would probably visit the thread less, because sifting through copy-pasted shit isn't much fun.

The problem (for me anyway) is that "officially" it should be moderated for those more serious violations like plagiarism but in practice it isn't. So either make it an official free-for-all and stop wasting time for people who try to report posts, or start actually handling those reports.

[Igebotz]

I think infofront was voted and appointed as the moderator of that thread a few years ago. I see he's still very active on the forum; perhaps he should tell us why the thread is still facing the same disaster that caused theymos to lock it sometime ago. I also believe, is why moderators have stopped paying attention to reports from that thread.

This has nothing to do with infofront. Forum moderators - not infofront - should handle plagiarism and other serious violations, or at least that's what it says when you click "Report to moderator" in WO.

If it's about plagiarism, using the "report to moderator" button is a waste of time because no moderator wants to waste time digging up evidence of plagiarism if the case isn't reported on a thread with evidence. BTW, if your case involves plagiarism, it's nothing new because I' have  a couple of reported cases left unhandled in the last few months.

If the point is to clear the WO of spam, Infofront must handle it.

Like you touched on, it's the longest thread on this forum and so there's a little bit of a reason why moderators might not want to constantly be attending to it.

Moderators have already given up on them since 2017.

I get that the WO thread is akin to a gated community on this site, but I don't see any reason (except for moderator manpower) why any of those things should be tolerated there and nowhere else on bitcointalk.  Is this really a forum where there's a single thread full of elite-class members exempt from the rules?  Gimme an effin' break, eh?

Tbh, the hat club or whatever name they go by has been on the thread for ages, they don't care about the DT system, Merits, or signature campaigns, and they don't post anywhere else, as long as they stay there with their shit, it doesn't harm the forum in any way. However, I have yet to see any user reported for plagiarism from that thread.