What is the proper way to address a noun with a pronoun with Satoshi and others

[Cookdata]

Yesterday, it occur to me that I don't know Satoshi gender, nobody does, it could be a person or people but in my previous thread, the first paragraph, I was looking for the right pronoun (he/she/they) and I couldn't get any as a subject to avoid the repetition of the noun in my thread. If Satoshi is a single person, what about the gender? is it a he or she?

Another question is, how do you also address other objects like names in the forum with a pronoun when you don't even know who you are conversating with, You could offend a lady by calling her bro, there is gender in all profiles but for sake of privacy, many don't use it. How do you address other members without calling their names multiple times?

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[PX-Z]

Yesterday, it occur to me that I don't know Satoshi gender, nobody does, it could be a person or people but in my previous thread, the first paragraph, I was looking for the right pronoun (he/she/they) and I couldn't get any as a subject to avoid the repetition of the noun in my thread. If Satoshi is a single person, what about the gender? is it a he or she?

Don't make things too complicated, you can't get exact answer just speculations. Just who knows who Satoshi is in the very first place. Base on his activities in this forum, the account is not managed by a group and no one knows if he or she is.
Just call the person "Satoshi".

Another question is, how do you also address other objects like names in the forum with a pronoun when you don't even know who you are conversating with, You could offend a lady by calling her bro, there is gender in all profiles but for sake of privacy, many don't use it. How do you address other members without calling their names multiple times?

It's not a big deal, its the same as they dont put gender on their profile, like no one care, its like the men and women are equal perspective. Like Lauda, many called him or her before she introduce that she is she.

[mk4]

Lol this is something I've been annoyed at a lot of times now when talking about Satoshi.

Sometimes I mention he/she/they (can be such a hassle when mentioning it multiple times) when talking to newbies to give more emphasis on Satoshi's anonymity, but really — in general I just mostly use "he" simply because Satoshi is a masculine name. Because most of us here know that we don't know who he/she/they is/are (here we go again) anyway.

[Lafu]

Lol this is something I've been annoyed at a lot of times now when talking about Satoshi.

Sometimes I mention he/she/they (can be such a hassle when mentioning it multiple times) when talking to newbies to give more emphasis on Satoshi's anonymity, but really — in general I just mostly use "he" simply because Satoshi is a masculine name. Because most of us here know that we don't know who he/she/they is/are (here we go again) anyway.

Same here , and that remembers me a few years ago when i mentioned suchmoon as a he and a few others also as i found out that i was wrong the whole time.
But general i also write the most time " He " and if i dont know it exactly i just write the Username out.
About Satoshi we really dont know is it a single person or just a name for more people as group , and it should be keeped as it is.

[dkbit98]

Yesterday, it occur to me that I don't know Satoshi gender, nobody does, it could be a person or people but in my previous thread, the first paragraph, I was looking for the right pronoun (he/she/they) and I couldn't get any as a subject to avoid the repetition of the noun in my thread. If Satoshi is a single person, what about the gender? is it a he or she?

Most people uses HE when they talk about Satoshi, and all posts and emails he wrote was indicating that he was a male.
However, it is very likely that more than one people was involved in this work so it's nothing wrong if you use THEY instead of HE.
Fan fact, that Satoshi statue that is made in Budapest, Hungary is showing Satoshi as a male figure with a hoodie.

[Z-tight]

what about the gender? is it a he or she?

No user knows that, Satoshi didn't want anyone to know, so Satoshi would not be "upset" if you refer to him with any incorrect pronoun, if it ever mattered he would have at least made it known that he was either male, female or a group of people.

How do you address other members without calling their names multiple times?

If you want to be exact: He/She, Him/Her
If you do not care: He/Him
If the username is not too long or "annoying": @"insert username"

[Upgrade00]

"They" and "Them" can possibly be used as a singular person pronoun and not only for more than one person. It fits perfectly when you are unsure of the gender of the person you are referring to, be it Satoshi or any other member on the forum.

If I was discussing about Satoshi in a reply, I would start of by mentioning the name somewhere in the beginning of the text and then use "they" or "them" subsequently. For example;

"Satoshi created a revolutionary technology in Bitcoin, and they did so by combining finance with the blockchain tech, making it possible for them to come up with Bitcoin as it is known today".
If you are certain of the gender, it's easier to just insert the appropriate one and would be much more understandable to non native English speakers.

[KingsDen]

"They" and "Them" can possibly be used as a singular person pronoun and not only for more than one person. It fits perfectly when you are unsure of the gender of the person you are referring to, be it Satoshi or any other member on the forum.
 

"They" is the most appropriate to address an unknown gender. As you rightly said, whether the person(s) involved is not more than one, "they" is an appropriate word to use. Therefore, in the case of Satoshi which you feel might be a group of people, "they" is perfect to replace Satoshi as a pronoun.

But, speaking about myself, I am so much convinced that Satoshi is not a woman. I have read some of his works and his charisma is obviously a man. Talking about if they are one or more does not really matter because, if it were to be a company, even if they were hundred people, they are moving with the brand name Satoshi and should be seen as an entity.

In the present world were you need to ask someone you even see which gender to address he/she with, because a man has the freedom to choose if he wants to be addressed as a "he" or a "she". But in Satoshi case, I'm not bothered because he is even no where to get upset or not, so I address HIM as HE.

[SatoPrincess]

Satoshi’s identity is anonymous, we don’t know if it is a male, female or group of people. We can’t afford to be grammatically correct about such things. Whichever pronoun works for you should be fine, no one can dispute or prove you are wrong. Satoshi put a lot of effort to make his identity unknown even using UK and US writing in his posts to confuse us.

[isaac_clarke22]

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Being an avid manga reader here where I encounter plenty of characters without direct mention of what their gender is/was, "they" is the pronoun that is being used on those cases. Although to Satoshi, I got a bit used to using "he" before due to my blind assumption based on the name.
Now these days, I almost always use "they".

[ShowOff]

I like to call him by the name "satoshi", but sometimes I also call him "he" but of course not them. Satoshi is a pseudonym, but I'm sure it's one person, not a group of people. I don't think it's too much of a hassle to call his name without having to find a replacement word. It was a special name for him.Satoshi was a man, because it was hard to believe it was a woman and that's very wise to think about.

[Shamm]

Yesterday, it occur to me that I don't know Satoshi gender, nobody does, it could be a person or people but in my previous thread, the first paragraph, I was looking for the right pronoun (he/she/they) and I couldn't get any as a subject to avoid the repetition of the noun in my thread. If Satoshi is a single person, what about the gender? is it a he or she?

Another question is, how do you also address other objects like names in the forum with a pronoun when you don't even know who you are conversating with, You could offend a lady by calling her bro, there is gender in all profiles but for sake of pricecy, many don't use it. How do you address other members without calling their names multiple times?

In this forum all people are equal and we don't know each other if we are male or a female even Satoshi he/she is Anonymous and no one know him/her in person. Some user here or maybe all user did not use their real name for the sake of privacy and being anonynous to everyone.
For me it's okay to say he/she/they or even called someone as a (BRO) because this forum is like a brotherhood.

[bitbollo]

If I remember correctly, even Cyrus in the bitcointalk youtube channel
https://www.youtube.com/c/BitcoinTalkShow
Always referred to Satoshi Nakamoto using the "triple approach" "he / she / they" .
I think this is the best way to define this identity.

It could be a man and therefore one refers to him as "he".
At the same time (to distract from the doxx) this identity could be a woman and therefore without being sexist (and considering that we are all SN) we must also use "she".

Perhaps the "they" is too much ( SN has always presented itself as a single person and not as a group of people).
But even in this case, they could have come up with this single name to hide a group of people and deceive from the chance to identify them. So I think this "triple approach" is the right one, even this is not the simple way for a people "out" from this world.

[Rikafip]

Yesterday, it occur to me that I don't know Satoshi gender, nobody does, it could be a person or people but in my previous thread, the first paragraph, I was looking for the right pronoun (he/she/they) and I couldn't get any as a subject to avoid the repetition of the noun in my thread. If Satoshi is a single person, what about the gender? is it a he or she?

Following the below mentioned rule, for me its a "he" and honestly I haven't spent a second thinking which pronoun should I use when mentioning Satoshi.

Another question is, how do you also address other objects like names in the forum with a pronoun when you don't even know who you are conversating with, You could offend a lady by calling her bro, there is gender in all profiles but for sake of privacy, many don't use it. How do you address other members without calling their names multiple times?

There is an old rule that says that everyone is male on the Internet until proven otherwise and that's the one I follow. I always address everyone online as "he" unless that person tells me its a she. As simple as that.

[NotATether]

The question about Satoshi pronouns is practically non-existant because evidence from sleuths attempting to find his identity have revealed that he was a cypherpunk (all the influential ones were males during the early 2000s).

Another question is, how do you also address other objects like names in the forum with a pronoun when you don't even know who you are conversating with, You could offend a lady by calling her bro, there is gender in all profiles but for sake of privacy, many don't use it. How do you address other members without calling their names multiple times?

It's not a big deal, its the same as they dont put gender on their profile, like no one care, its like the men and women are equal perspective. Like Lauda, many called him or her before she introduce that she is she.

And to this day, some people even think she is a he, and that he is a she.

[Ahli38]

I thought that the name satoshi was a common name in Japan for a man. so I thought from the start that Satoshi was a boy. I do not think too long like you. and did not think about the issue of gender. because for me the name Satoshi already describes gender by name. but after reading this it made me rethink whether my assumptions were right or wrong. 

[LoyceV]

You could offend a lady by calling her bro

There's nothing wrong with offending people! Really, it's okay. Stop adjusting your opinion out of fear someone may have a made-up feeling about it.

For all I know Satoshi Nakamoto is an AI from the future, send back through time to fund it's future operations. That makes it an it.

Dear Satoshi, if I ever offended you, feel free to send me a PM! I'm looking forward to your message

[Mpamaegbu]

You could offend a lady by calling her bro, there is gender in all profiles but for sake of privacy, many don't use it.

I ain't sure anyone would be vexed for malapropism of gender in pronoun used. The only way anyone would be justified being vexed on that would be if they actually chose a gender in their profile and then they're addressed differently, gender wise. In that case that means we would've to be visiting profiles to know what sex there's there before replying to a post if the need of placing a pronoun on it arises. I'm sure no one wants that type of stress. Again, some may even have chosen a gender that's not what they're. I've seen a couple of members whose profiles bear ages that aren't justifiably a reality. People want privacy and that's why I don't bother knowing beyond what is obvious about users. Any user who wants you to know their gender will instantly tell you when it's wrongly used. If they don't, don't bother your head over it. I think the major reason a lot of users refer to Satoshi as a he could be from the fact of the nature of patriarchy. We tend to easily believe male dominate every major field of endeavour in life.

On the use of the right pronoun for anyone you aren't sure of their sex, I tend to play it safe with "they".

[Pmalek]

If you do not know a person to be a male or a female, 'it' is the right pronoun to use.

If you don't know someone's gender, you don't use "it", you use "they". That's a singular "they". "It" refers to objects and things. We might not know if satoshi is male or female, but we know he isn't a thing. I prefer referring to satoshi as "he" simply because it's a male Japanese name. If he used the username "Frank" I would also refer to Frank as a "he" despite not knowing his real gender. Satoshi is a "he" to me until proven otherwise.

Fan fact...

Is that a fan fact or a fun fact because it could be both.

If I remember correctly, even Cyrus in the bitcointalk youtube channel
https://www.youtube.com/c/BitcoinTalkShow
Always referred to Satoshi Nakamoto using the "triple approach" "he / she / they" .
I think this is the best way to define this identity.

It could be a man and therefore one refers to him as "he".
At the same time (to distract from the doxx) this identity could be a woman and therefore without being sexist (and considering that we are all SN) we must also use "she".

Not necessary because the singular "they" isn't gender specific, so you don't need the he/she pronouns, which are gender specific.

For all I know Satoshi Nakamoto is an AI from the future, send back through time to fund it's future operations. That makes it an it.

Why am I not surprised that one AI recognized a different AI?!

[Mpamaegbu]

According to what I just searched online, you can check this:

https://www.antimoon.com/forum/t1176.htm

I saw the date on the quoted as having been made in Nov 2005. That's close to 15 years in retardation, right? Well, back to the issue at hand and on the point of correctness; I was given to understand that the reason "it" is used for inanimate objects. It's because they don't have any language. It can also be used for humans when they're less than the age of having a language and this is why people like to refer to foetus and toddlers below six months as "it". Otherwise, grammar scholars will tell you that it's inappropriate to use it for humans in general. There's nothing in the actual sense that someone doesn't have a particular gender they can be identified with. Even a hermaphrodite does have a dominating sex organ.