Food crisis coming? What's wrong about it? It could be good

[countryfree]

I've read a few articles explaining that a food crisis is coming, I want to tell you something about it. There will be no food crisis for me.
Price of pasta, price of cooking oil, rice or meat will increase 20%? 30%?

That's all right. I don't care much. I can handle it, just like most people in developed countries. We don't spend much on food, increasing that budget by a third is perfectly fine.

The problem will be with the poor countries, but I wonder: is it a problem, or a solution?

There were 100 millions people living in Africa in 1900. Now, there are over 1,500 millions people there. I know that some people live a in a fantasy world thinking that there will be food, jobs, modern housing and all creature comforts for every human, but that won't happen. We live in a finite world, and the population just cannot grow without limit. Number one rule of the world has always been the survival of the fittest...

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[fiulpro]

So you are indirectly saying that the people from the poor countries should starve to death?

You should understand that each and every government does hold a responsibility to provide for the people that they have been elected by. Most of the developed countries came into position because of these poor countries that they looted in the past thus for them to provide humanitarian support is no big deal.

The crisis is coming and some are better prepared than the others but that does not mean that you can ignore the plight of the other side, decreasing the population inevitably is important but how we can do is by family planning, education, not natural selection.

[Hydrogen]

We have become isolated from how lucky we are to have off season produce year round. How important it is to maintain biodiversity and our fate being linked to the balance of global ecosystems. People have begun to believe they've evolved beyond having to think about or know basic fundamental things. That governments and politicians exist so they never have to think about or know anything. That they're better off not using the one thing that gives people an advantage over animals -- their minds.

It is possible that human survival has become too easy and convenient. And that humanity has begun to negatively regress as a result.

In movies and TV I see characters who are so obstinate and greedy that they cannot resolve their differences without murdering each other. This seems a foolish and childish precedent to me. But looking at the real world there appear to be many who embrace this. They can't resolve their disagreements without resorting to violence or murder like characters on TV. Is this what human progress looks like. Or is it a regression back towards the dark ages.

While a food crisis may not be a pleasant experience. It may force us to rethink things. Most of us don't know human sacrifice and infanticide in ancient times may have been correlated with inadequate food production. People in ancient times may not have had enough food to feed their children and so they sacrificed them to assorted deities as a cultural norm.

People in modern times have so many advantages over those who lived in past eras. And typically take advantage of and appreciate none of them.

[mindrust]

I've read a few articles explaining that a food crisis is coming, I want to tell you something about it. There will be no food crisis for me.
Price of pasta, price of cooking oil, rice or meat will increase 20%? 30%?

That's all right. I don't care much. I can handle it, just like most people in developed countries. We don't spend much on food, increasing that budget by a third is perfectly fine.

The problem will be with the poor countries, but I wonder: is it a problem, or a solution?

There were 100 millions people living in Africa in 1900. Now, there are over 1,500 millions people there. I know that some people live a in a fantasy world thinking that there will be food, jobs, modern housing and all creature comforts for every human, but that won't happen. We live in a finite world, and the population just cannot grow without limit. Number one rule of the world has always been the survival of the fittest...

Depends. If you can afford the expensive food prices, then it makes no difference for you probably. For the rest of the people, it will be a nightmare. One thing is for sure, the world is way too crowded. If the expensive food prices will solve this problem, so be it. If it is going to be the vaccines, I am OK with that too. Whatever it takes to fix the world. Otherwise rich or poor, we are all going to go insane. We simply don't need any more people. There isn't enough resources.

[Zilon]

There is no challenge currently under the sun that doesn't have an alternative. I admit food crisis will be severe  in underdeveloped and developing countries particularly Africa. But one thing about food scarcity is that it opens way for improvised form of survival.

My problem is not with the increase in population but rather the negligence of Agriculture. Increase in population is meant to equal increase in man power and productivity but it seems the reverse is the case. But once an outright food scarcity sets in there will be need to return to Agriculture which has been the original source of African sustenance before civilization set in

[Rruchi man]

There will be no food crisis for me. Price of pasta, price of cooking oil, rice or meat will increase 20%? 30%?

That's all right. I don't care much. I can handle it, just like most people in developed countries. We don't spend much on food, increasing that budget by a third is perfectly fine.

You don't seem to care much now because it hasn't started, what if the situation turns out to be more severe than you can predict it to be, and the fact that you have the finance to accommodate an increment doesn't mean anything because those commodities are no longer available to you even with your purchasing power due to scarcity?

In all, worse case scenario for the people in africa, many can easily turn to subsistence agriculture in a bid to feed themselves and immediate family, this easy adaptation may not be possible for you.

Don't think your situation better because you feel you can accommodate it, if a severe food crisis results, every one will feel the effect.

[Lanatsa]

So you are indirectly saying that the people from the poor countries should starve to death?

I do have the same impressions when it comes to that kind of approach of this post or context which it do indirectly tell about that obvious difference in between to those who lived on 1st world into those 3rd world.

You might be seeing yourself to be not affected with this food crisis yet of course you could really able to afford but for those people who do even hardly eat then having increase would even more worsen the situation.

Any crisis or increase in prices is never been good news thats why i dont see the point on why op said about being it could be good.lol

[Dunamisx]

Though we never expect anything in this regard of food crisis aside the global wheat challenge that was alarmed recently for possible occurrence due to the fact that it was majorly cultivated in Ukraine where the Russian invassion has affected many supply and demand on global wheat products, as for the food scarcity, it would have been more ok to have some fact to buttress this prediction because am yet to see any article talking much about food scarcity other than inflation.

[ChiBitCTy]

Lol I can’t say I agree with anything you’ve said here. I live in a first world country, and I can tell you food inflation has been a major issue for everyone but the rich. Even if you’re wealthy middle class you’re still having to spend far more and that takes away from other important things (college savings, charitable donations, retirement savings etc). The average person spends a lot of their income on food, so not sure where you’re getting that they don’t.

[glendall]

the obligation of the state government in the problem of overcoming poverty and hunger in their country does not occur very badly, efforts must be made
the poorest the country will surely find alternative solutions for foodstuffs that soar,

[Oceat]

It's easy to say you can handle it if it's not happening or you never experienced it yet but once you taste the bitter treatment of how the inflation works you might want to change country. It's the government job to make a solution about this food crisis especially the agriculture part and tell me what good could bring to a food crisis?

It will just continue to increase the poverty in most third world country with the salary that's not above the minimum it won't be enough for them.

[Silberman]

I've read a few articles explaining that a food crisis is coming, I want to tell you something about it. There will be no food crisis for me.
Price of pasta, price of cooking oil, rice or meat will increase 20%? 30%?

That's all right. I don't care much. I can handle it, just like most people in developed countries. We don't spend much on food, increasing that budget by a third is perfectly fine.

The problem will be with the poor countries, but I wonder: is it a problem, or a solution?

There were 100 millions people living in Africa in 1900. Now, there are over 1,500 millions people there. I know that some people live a in a fantasy world thinking that there will be food, jobs, modern housing and all creature comforts for every human, but that won't happen. We live in a finite world, and the population just cannot grow without limit. Number one rule of the world has always been the survival of the fittest...

While without a doubt we have an overpopulation problem that could get many times worse if something is not done about it, this is not the way to solve it, in a great deal of the developed countries the birthrate is already below the replacement levels, which means that in many of those countries the population would go down if no one emigrated there.

As such if similar campaigns could be established in the countries with the highest birthrates we could slow down the increase of the population all around the world and eventually have a decreasing population.

However this will also require an adjustment of our economy, as it is precisely those developed countries the ones which are the most worried about this, as a lower population will also mean lower production and more obligations to be paid to those which retire, and all of this could happen in a moment in which they are highly indebted and they do not get enough taxes and print the rest of the money to satisfy their budget, so as you can see overpopulation is not a problem that can be solved by just letting a food crisis do its thing, since the problem is way more complicated than that.

[sheenshane]

The problem will be with the poor countries, but I wonder: is it a problem, or a solution?

There were 100 millions people living in Africa in 1900. Now, there are over 1,500 millions people there. I know that some people live a in a fantasy world thinking that there will be food, jobs, modern housing and all creature comforts for every human, but that won't happen. We live in a finite world, and the population just cannot grow without limit. Number one rule of the world has always been the survival of the fittest...

We know that this country (Africa) was still on the report that belongs the home of a food crisis but there are many organizations already looking to it, like Global Network Against Food Crises (GNAFC) that was tackle this problem and find a solution how to fight this problem.  AFAIK, there are 16 organizations globally that have fought the hunger increase and find it a solution.

The only solution for this is to help the farmers and give attention to the agricultural industry which gives motivation to them to supply food.
I think you're too much worried about this which is we have GNAFC already looking to it.

[Darker45]

Zzzzzz. Survival of the fittest my a*s. If only this is truly about survival of the fittest, I'm 99% sure majority of the people in your developed country would perish much much earlier than many in the African continent.

If there's somebody living in a fantasy world here, it is you. You who think that it is perfectly all right for poor people to starve to death while you indulge in your pasta. You who think that the African people don't deserve a good life as much you do. You who think that in the name of a finite world the poor could die while the rich could continue to enjoy life.

[JakobFugger]

So you are indirectly saying that the people from the poor countries should starve to death?

In addition to starvation, the increase in the cost of food is linked to several other increases, such as fuel. And that makes it difficult to access basic food, medicine...

It also makes local production expensive or almost impossible, and makes access to fertilizers and machinery impossible.

The OP is clearly saying that for his world it will be good that poor countries reduce their population. As if that would really benefit the world. Poverty, hunger and despair will drive a large portion of the population to take drastic measures. Populist leaders with idiotic ideas are going to be more and more common. Dictatorships will multiply.

There is nothing positive in misery. There is nothing positive about a population dying of hunger.

[Leviathan.007]

I've read a few articles explaining that a food crisis is coming, I want to tell you something about it. There will be no food crisis for me.
Price of pasta, price of cooking oil, rice or meat will increase 20%? 30%?

That's all right. I don't care much. I can handle it, just like most people in developed countries. We don't spend much on food, increasing that budget by a third is perfectly fine.

The problem will be with the poor countries, but I wonder: is it a problem, or a solution?

There were 100 millions people living in Africa in 1900. Now, there are over 1,500 millions people there. I know that some people live a in a fantasy world thinking that there will be food, jobs, modern housing and all creature comforts for every human, but that won't happen. We live in a finite world, and the population just cannot grow without limit. Number one rule of the world has always been the survival of the fittest...

In my own idea, the crisis of food prices is not the same as increasing the inflation rate, because when the food price crisis starts in any country they will have a problem with supplying one of the most important things for their people which is needed to supply in any condition. So when this kind of crisis starts people will start saving food inside their homes in some countries and this will make the food price increase even more and since they need to consume food more than anything we can see maybe some price of assets are decreasing against food because people will sell them to buy more food in that situation. so this can not be good in any situation.

[Zlantann]

The world has become a global village that is hyper-connected. A food crisis in Africa can trigger food and energy crisis in Europe. Most European countries depend on Africa for raw materials. Hunger and starvation in Africa can cause anarchy which would greatly affect the supply of raw materials. We saw how Niger-Delta crisis in Nigeria led to increase in oil prices and how the insecurity in Libya and Middle East triggered immigration crisis in Europe. We should as much as possible be concerned about the well-being of others because it might directly or indirectly affect you. I never knew the invasion of Ukraine by Russia would affect me negatively but today it is. 

[ningrum]

It's easy to say you can handle it if it's not happening or you never experienced it yet but once you taste the bitter treatment of how the inflation works you might want to change country. It's the government job to make a solution about this food crisis especially the agriculture part and tell me what good could bring to a food crisis?

It will just continue to increase the poverty in most third world country with the salary that's not above the minimum it won't be enough for them.

Overcoming this is not as easy as they imagine and what is happening today in the world has indeed made many countries experience inflation,
especially in the food sector it is really very influential,
the state must have a solution to suppress inflation so that it does not get worse

[stompix]

So you are indirectly saying that the people from the poor countries should starve to death?
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The crisis is coming and some are better prepared than the others but that does not mean that you can ignore the plight of the other side, decreasing the population inevitably is important but how we can do is by family planning, education, not natural selection.

No, we're telling and we have been telling a lot of countries to not make the mistakes we have done in the past, but when we're stating facts we're seen as evil white supremacists that have some diabolical plan for Africa. Europe has been through centuries of famine, with millions of deaths and episodes of cannibalism, because we were doing the same mistake African countries are doing now, giving birth to 7 children without knowing how much food we're going to have the next year.

And further down look at the math, Europe had during the middle ages 70 million people at the peak, Africa had nearly the same in 1800, the EU has grown to 500 million and had the newest technology when it comes to agriculture, Africa has 1.2 billion and has less than 15% of it mechanized.

Who is going to feed all this unless they do it themselves?
Where is the food going to come in countries like Niger which are on the path of doubling the population every 18 years?
It's not like telling poor countries they should starve to death, it's telling them they are going to starve to death if they don't change!

The average person spends a lot of their income on food, so not sure where you’re getting that they don’t.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/12/this-map-shows-how-much-each-country-spends-on-food/

There are only eight countries in the world that spend less than 10% of their household income on food. Four of these are in Europe: the UK is third at 8.2%, followed by Switzerland at 8.7%; Ireland spends 9.6% and Austria 9.9%.
The remaining four countries are spread across the globe. The US spends the least at 6.4%, Singapore spends the second lowest amount at 6.7%. Canada spends 9.1% on food, while Australia spends 9.8%.

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Four of them are in Africa: Nigeria 56.4%; Kenya 46.7%; Cameroon 45.6%; and Algeria 42.5%. Four are in Asia: Kazakhstan 43.0%; Philippines 41.9%; Pakistan 40.9%; and Azerbaijan 40.1%. Guatemala is the only South American country to appear in the list and spends 40.6% of its household income on food.

What happens when the prices of food are doubling for two families, one that was spending 6% and one that was spending 56%?
It turns into 12% and 112%....

The world has become a global village that is hyper-connected. A food crisis in Africa can trigger food and energy crisis in Europe. Most European countries depend on Africa for raw materials. Hunger and starvation in Africa can cause anarchy which would greatly affect the supply of raw materials. We saw how Niger-Delta crisis in Nigeria led to increase in oil prices and how the insecurity in Libya and Middle East triggered immigration crisis in Europe.

What logic, because the crisis in Africa was hurting Europe millions of Africans and Arabs have fled to Europe.

[bakasabo]

If you want to talk particularly about Africa then I've been hearing all my entire life that they have food and water shortage. There is always hunger. They are always in need of something. The common wheat problem wont affect them much. As they are much dependable from their local agriculture. I believe that they eat mostly what they produce. They are not dependable much from export. They dont care much about wheat shortage, oil and gas prices, they dont care about the current war.