Italy Is Held Back by 2.6 Million People Who Have Given Up on Work

[goaldigger]

In italy we've a serious problem with grants. Like UK, if people takes it, they aren't incentived to find a job. Also we've another problem, I'm Italian and I can explain to you better:

- Many people accepts grants and doesn't go to find a new job.

- Many entrepeneur offers work without any legal contract for a lower fee (between 500-800 €, and this are really poor income for a person at the end of the month)

- Government doesn't do nothing to incentive the open of new industry sector.

Those living on this country enjoys a good grants even if you are not working? In my country you can’t expect here and whether you like it or not, you have to keep looking for the job or else you will starve to death. I wonder what’s the real situation there for the workers, since if there’s a job available for them what’s their main reason for quitting. The government should implement a more strict policy that benefits the companies and the workers, if those job don’t have legal contract then it should be addressed by the government, that can be consider as an abuse to the workers, and that workers needs the protection from the government.

[Lanatsa]

Those living on this country enjoys a good grants even if you are not working? In my country you can’t expect here and whether you like it or not, you have to keep looking for the job or else you will starve to death. I wonder what’s the real situation there for the workers, since if there’s a job available for them what’s their main reason for quitting. The government should implement a more strict policy that benefits the companies and the workers, if those job don’t have legal contract then it should be addressed by the government, that can be consider as an abuse to the workers, and that workers needs the protection from the government.

I dont see any country which would provide all the needs or necessities of a certain person who doesnt have a job and able to survive on daily living? Sounds impossible because you would really need to work for you to

live unless if you do have some properties came from inheritance or investment or businesses which you could able to sustain yourself then its possible but if you are someone who doesnt have any assets or something

like that then you would really be needing to work for you to live.Even where you do live neither on a rich or poor country, where job is really that needed.

[TimeTeller]

In italy we've a serious problem with grants. Like UK, if people takes it, they aren't incentived to find a job. Also we've another problem, I'm Italian and I can explain to you better:

- Many people accepts grants and doesn't go to find a new job.

- Many entrepeneur offers work without any legal contract for a lower fee (between 500-800 €, and this are really poor income for a person at the end of the month)

- Government doesn't do nothing to incentive the open of new industry sector.

Maybe, the situation will change once these people are bored of their lives just by taking those grants.
At some point, they would want to buy something that grants alone can't afford.
So they will be pushed to find a good job to attain what they want to acquire.
I am being optimistic that sooner or later, the sentiments will change.
Once the government and these businesses understood the needs of their employers, they may alter their compensation benefits.

[Sithara007]

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Here just around 1.5% of the population pays income tax.

I checked the rates: only 5 to 30% income tax? That's less than even the lowest tax bracket we have!

Nope.. the calculation is a bit complex. There is a surcharge over normal income tax rates and the highest bracket is 43% (if we include the surcharge). And regarding the 30% slab, anyone who earn above $13,000 per year need to pay their taxes at this rate. And with every passing year, the government is making it more and more harder for the 1.5% people who pays the tax. Now EPF is taxable beyond $3,000 per year, and long term capital gains on equities and mutual funds are taxable as well. We are very close to the breaking point.

[Smartprofit]

I’m wondering why such situation could arise in Italy? May be geographic location and less flourished businesses? In any case the population does not seem to be big enough where it’s impossible to manage the countries employment. I think government can easily attract new businesses and also let their people understand they can do start ups considering job situation in the country. Definitely for individual to start a business they will need some schemes from the Government which can easily boost their current situation and bring employment. Small country, lesser population is surely easy to manage I believe.

I went on a tourist trip to Italy and went to the branch of the local bank (to exchange cash dollars for euros).  

I was very surprised that only men work in the bank - Italians.  I didn't see the girls.  In my country, the bank branches are predominantly women.  In Italian buses, the conductors are also men.  Also, men sit at the checkouts in grocery supermarkets.  In my country this work is done predominantly by women.  
I got the impression that only men work in Italy, and women do housework.

What are the reasons for this situation?

Perhaps these are features of the national mentality, perhaps Italy is in a very difficult economic situation.  

Perhaps the warm climate and beautiful landscapes do not stimulate Italian businessmen to actively develop a variety of small and medium-sized businesses and create new jobs (unlike the harsh Germans, Swiss, Norwegians, Swedes, Finns and Danes who are not very lucky with the climate).  

There can be many reasons.

[Lucius]

I remembered that one of the reasons (in addition to the above) could be remittances from abroad, because many have children who live in the west and north of the EU and send money regularly to their parents. Also, tourism is an important part of the Italian economy, and those who work only a few months in a year when the peak season earns enough to do nothing for the rest of the year.

What is certain is that these people live off something, unless they have learned to survive only on air and water...

[stompix]

This might be because the types of jobs the people want are not available. After the Covid-19 people discovered that they can actually work from home. One of such avenue is provided by Bitcoin and other online jobs. But when government makes policies that affect these avenues negatively it discourages the people from working. People not seeking employment might also be caused by over-reliance on government for subsidies and unemployment grants or benefits. This can actually lead to laziness among the citizen.

Covid has nothing to do with this, Italy is right now just 400 thousand jobs away from the previous peak before covid, the difference is nowhere near the 2.6 million quoted.
Instead, it's a thing that's spread in southern and eastern countries, a lower labor force participation compared to others, for example, Italy has an employment rate of nearly 60% now, Germany has 76.9%, and the Netherlands has a huge 81%, it's just how things have always been. Far more people working on the black market, far more undeclared revenues, and unfortunately a different mentality with the young generation from country to country.

Also, despite the alarmist headline, things are turning for the better, and the statistics are far better than before the last crisis hit and not just for Italy but for the whole of Europe.

I was very surprised that only men work in the bank - Italians.  I didn't see the girls.  In my country, the bank branches are predominantly women.  In Italian buses, the conductors are also men.  Also, men sit at the checkouts in grocery supermarkets.  In my country this work is done predominantly by women. 
I got the impression that only men work in Italy, and women do housework.
What are the reasons for this situation?

Don't know the reason, but it's an Italian thing, that doesn't quite resemble anything else in the western parts of Europe



13 million to 9.5 million, a huge discrepancy compared to the rest.

[bitgov]

I am 100% sure that the situation is not as bad as the case here in India. Here just around 1.5% of the population pays income tax. Almost everything is subsidized (food, fuel, electricity, housing, healthcare, education.etc) by the government (either federal or state), and it is very much possible for entire families to survive despite doing any work. For non-Indians it may be difficult to believe that 1.5% of the population (derogatively called as the "salaried class") is subsidizing the remaining 98.5%, but this system has survived for many decades now.

sees like situation is bad everywhere. And it will worsen with every passing month. Earlier COVID and then this crisis due to oil price hikes have place the world in so much agony. People are upset but I have noticed one thing that the despite there are so many jobs seekers but they are not willing to work on little wages. No - not at all.

[Cling18]

I am 100% sure that the situation is not as bad as the case here in India. Here just around 1.5% of the population pays income tax. Almost everything is subsidized (food, fuel, electricity, housing, healthcare, education.etc) by the government (either federal or state), and it is very much possible for entire families to survive despite doing any work. For non-Indians it may be difficult to believe that 1.5% of the population (derogatively called as the "salaried class") is subsidizing the remaining 98.5%, but this system has survived for many decades now.

sees like situation is bad everywhere. And it will worsen with every passing month. Earlier COVID and then this crisis due to oil price hikes have place the world in so much agony. People are upset but I have noticed one thing that the despite there being so many job seekers but they are not willing to work for little wages. No - not at all.

In our country, the government only provides livelihood programs and employment for jobless people. They support but they don't sustain their necessities continuously so if poor people here won't work, they wouldn't survive. If a government supports those who don't want to work, they will surely just enjoy their jobless lives and would rely on the government.

[bitgov]

In our country, the government only provides livelihood programs and employment for jobless people. They support but they don't sustain their necessities continuously so if poor people here won't work, they wouldn't survive. If a government supports those who don't want to work, they will surely just enjoy their jobless lives and would rely on the government.

In our country due to inflation - the situation is very bad. Infact worse. Patrol prices are not in reach of anyone of us. WE are middle class and now we are in trouble. I am not sure how the poor people are affording their daily livelihood. The after COVID crisis are horrible.