WATCH OUT FOR MY STOLEN COINS PLEASE

[MrMojoRising26]

I was planning or releasing my series 2 coins this coming week, but more than half of the mint was stolen in route to the distributor. The distributor is someone I trust, and is not to blame at all in any way. Coins with serial numbers 002-104 and 121-128 were shipped and the two boxes arrived empty and sealed back up. My guess is someone at the usps distribution center heard the sound of coins looked into the package seen the btc logo on the coins and thought he hit the jackpot than stole the contents and sealed them back up. It hurts bad right now, but I will bounce back. If you see these coins on ebay, or wherever they are stolen coins.They are not loaded thankfully but it still sucks. I have 80 or so sets left of series 2 coins I have to put together I still plan on releasing at some point. Anyway if anyone sees them for sale anywhere let me know. I have not sold a single coin to anyone so if you see one its stolen

[krogoth]

Damn...sorry to hear that and will do

Also add to this thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1802957.0

[YodasRedRocket]

We'll all be on the look-out my friend!  Sorry this happened 

[MoparMiningLLC]

Man - hope you had insurance on that package

I would have the post office run an audit report on the scans - at each point the box would have been scanned and possibly weighed - and if not weighed, at least list the people who scanned it.

[Suzuki Matt]

Noooooo. Im so sorry brother. I know how hard you worked to get these made. I will definitely be watching for the coins. Hopefully they will hit ebay as there is no where else to really sell them. This royally sucks. The good part is most of the people that would buy such coins is in here. Nothing is worse than a Thief. I swear

[OgNasty]

That’s horrible and a little hard to believe even. You’d think that they’d have points where packages are weighed or some other way to tell where in the chain there was a failure. I assume you’ve been in contact with the shipping company to see if they can investigate and try to find the guilty party. Assuming you used a non-government shipping company? Any idea what steps you could have taken to prevent this?

[MrMojoRising26]

That’s horrible and a little hard to believe even. You’d think that they’d have points where packages are weighed or some other way to tell where in the chain there was a failure. I assume you’ve been in contact with the shipping company to see if they can investigate and try to find the guilty party. Assuming you used a non-government shipping company? Any idea what steps you could have taken to prevent this?

I know man I am still in disbelief I cannot even comprehend how it could be done I would think distribution centers do not allow employees to walk out with bags or anything, but who knows it was shipped USPS! I did speak to someone today they said they will investigate and they do weigh packages at every every arrival destination so they should be able no narrow it down to where is stopped weighing the listed weight. I have little faith I will ever get the coins back if anything I hope the thief is caught. Insurance covers some damages, but not the time and effort put into the coins. I am not sure what could be done differently to prevent it from happening to someone else I mailed two separate packages in case one got lost or damaged I taped the hell out of them as well i have never had any issues with usps before this.

[OgNasty]

That’s horrible and a little hard to believe even. You’d think that they’d have points where packages are weighed or some other way to tell where in the chain there was a failure. I assume you’ve been in contact with the shipping company to see if they can investigate and try to find the guilty party. Assuming you used a non-government shipping company? Any idea what steps you could have taken to prevent this?

I know man I am still in disbelief I cannot even comprehend how it could be done I would think distribution centers do not allow employees to walk out with bags or anything, but who knows it was shipped USPS! I did speak to someone today they said they will investigate and they do weigh packages at every every arrival destination so they should be able no narrow it down to where is stopped weighing the listed weight. I have little faith I will ever get the coins back if anything I hope the thief is caught. Insurance covers some damages, but not the time and effort put into the coins. I am not sure what could be done differently to prevent it from happening to someone else I mailed two separate packages in case one got lost or damaged I taped the hell out of them as well i have never had any issues with usps before this.

How can you be certain the distributor isn’t at fault? It seems like that would be the most likely place they could have gone missing. Especially if the box was well taped. I can’t imagine any federal employee thinking it would be worth it to do something like this. The penalties involved would far outweigh any potential gain. I’d be looking at the distributor and asking them to review security tapes of what happened once the packages arrived and when they were opened to determine if one of their employees might be at fault. I doubt this would be an isolated incident either if they have a crooked employee in house. I hope you get some resolution from this.

[Eclipse33]

Mojo, this is pretty crazy. I hope you can find some other way to still get the version 2 coins listed.

[raritycheck]

We are so sorry to hear this. As coinmakers, this is a nightmare. Please let us know if we can help in any way for the losses occurred to you, personally.

Team RC

[tweetious]

To add another perspective (although the chances are low, still a possibility though).

The sender might not have properly sealed the boxes (or the boxes were not of good quality). During transit, boxes might get slightly crashed, a hole opened in the box, hence some items fell off. At an arrival destination, they observed the hole in the box, and re-sealed the box.

This might sound like a science-fiction scenario  , however, the receiver of the package can prolly check if such a scenario is applicable. (the condition of the box, if the same seal was re-applied or a new one added, indications of how the box was initially opened before re-sealed, coins bundled -or not- together with additional packaging materials inside the box etc. etc.)

If USPS keeps weight records at each checkpoint, then should keep pushing them to provide those to you.

I had an instance in the past, where I received a small box that was re-sealed in one edge/corner. There was a printed note attached from my national postal network, that mentioned that they received the package with a hole/opened and they re-sealed it. (fortunately, nothing was missing from the contents). I am international and this was an incoming parcel from another country, hence your case is different due to that everything was handled by USPS.

Really sorry about what happened to you & I will keep an eye out in case I see any of those coins around in the interwebz. I am looking forward to getting my hands on those new coins whenever you release them for sale.

Edit: I read again and realized that you mentioned that "two boxes arrived empty". Too much of a coincident then...

Edit 2: When someone dispatches many coins inside a box, bubble wrapping them in a way that no coins sounds can be heard, is a common sence...

[krogoth]

 The safest way to send with USPS is via registered mail.

  With registered mail every person accepting package has to sign and also there is brown tape placed on the outside seams stamped with the departure postmarks all over the tape...so they would never be able to tear open without a person knowing. It takes forever to arrive but it's the safest way with USPS.

   I send any high end item this way

[OgNasty]

The safest way to send with USPS is via registered mail.

  With registered mail every person accepting package has to sign and also there is brown tape placed on the outside seams stamped with the departure postmarks all over the tape...so they would never be able to tear open without a person knowing. It takes forever to arrive but it's the safest way with USPS.

   I send any high end item this way

As someone who wraps my packages in mountains of tape to make sure they don’t bust open, I hate sending things registered mail. I feel like the way they require items to be sent with no external sealing materials makes it 10,000x more likely that the package could be opened in transit. Just my opinion, but anytime anyone asks me to send things by registered mail I feel like I’m playing the lottery as to whether it will get there in one piece or not.

[minerjones]

The safest way to send with USPS is via registered mail.

  With registered mail every person accepting package has to sign and also there is brown tape placed on the outside seams stamped with the departure postmarks all over the tape...so they would never be able to tear open without a person knowing. It takes forever to arrive but it's the safest way with USPS.

   I send any high end item this way

As someone who wraps my packages in mountains of tape to make sure they don’t bust open, I hate sending things registered mail. I feel like the way they require items to be sent with no external sealing materials makes it 10,000x more likely that the package could be opened in transit. Just my opinion, but anytime anyone asks me to send things by registered mail I feel like I’m playing the lottery as to whether it will get there in one piece or not.

As long as any external sealing materials are covered by the brown-paper-tape that is used for registered mail, it is acceptable.
So the box can be secure as you would like.. even use some duct tape... lol

And to add to krog's comment about the "departure postmarks"... from what I was told recently that each postal clerk has their own stamp. So this registered packaged can be tracked back to very first step of which clerk you handed to over the counter

[Otillio1330]

I’m so sorry to hear this happened to you. You made some great collectibles on the first round, and the second round looks wonderful as well. I know you put a lot of effort into these. Some people are just scum.

[Steeley]

Mojo,

Man, this is terrible news. I bought two of the first series and they are awesome. Does the reverse of the stolen coins look the same as series one? What distinguishing marks are there that will help the forum members spot these eventually? Seems like they will pop up somewhere; there are a lot of forum eyes watching all these places where these coins eventually go to get sold. 

Steeley

[aoluain]

Sorry to hear this, its a right kick in the pants.

My brain cannot work out the bit about the "Distributor", obviously this a third party who takes
physical possession of the goods to ship to others so I have a few questions?

Why use a distributor and not handle the postage yourself?

Is the distributor a single person or is it an organisation?

Did you have possession of the coins then sent them to the distributor or were they sent
from the mint?

My thinking is similar to others, I'm not sure if the package was insured and tracked that a
USPS worker could jeopardize their position by doing something like this.

Anyway besides ebay there are many other places these could turn up, facebook marketplace,
etsy, craigslist for example. I will keep an eye out too but I dont know what series 1 look like and
as Steeley points out what does the reverse side look like?

All the best I hope you get to the bottom of this

[MoparMiningLLC]

Sorry to hear this, its a right kick in the pants.

My brain cannot work out the bit about the "Distributor", obviously this a third party who takes
physical possession of the goods to ship to others so I have a few questions?

Why use a distributor and not handle the postage yourself?

Is the distributor a single person or is it an organisation?

Did you have possession of the coins then sent them to the distributor or were they sent
from the mint?

My thinking is similar to others, I'm not sure if the package was insured and tracked that a
USPS worker could jeopardize their position by doing something like this.

Anyway besides ebay there are many other places these could turn up, facebook marketplace,
etsy, craigslist for example. I will keep an eye out too but I dont know what series 1 look like and
as Steeley points out what does the reverse side look like?

All the best I hope you get to the bottom of this

This is done quite often - both Mitchell and minerjones do this for polymerbit notes - as an example.

I also have dine this for several projects and/or group buys.

I believe he has already stated that the distributer is not st fault and that these arrived empty to the last USPS location - that would specifically imply thst it was the post office.

I have had 3 packages I have sent that have been tampered with by postal service.
The last one arrived even weighed less upon arrival than it did when dropped off at the post office.

[aoluain]

...and Mopar its a brilliant service you all provide for us here in the collectibles board.

I cannot see where MrMojoRising26 said it arrived at the last centre empty, It still looks
like nothing can be ruled out. Fair enough he trusts the distributor, I just asked the
question is it a single person like yourself or minerj or Mitchell or is there potentially
any number of people who could be involved, reading back through the thread OgNasty made
the same point.

It will be interesting to find out (if ever) what happened

[MoparMiningLLC]

...and Mopar its a brilliant service you all provide for us here in the collectibles board.

I cannot see where MrMojoRising26 said it arrived at the last centre empty, It still looks
like nothing can be ruled out. Fair enough he trusts the distributor, I just asked the
question is it a single person like yourself or minerj or Mitchell or is there potentially
any number of people who could be involved, reading back through the thread OgNasty made
the same point.

It will be interesting to find out (if ever) what happened

agreed - they stated that it would have needed to be weighed at each distribution center - so it would be nice to know where the weight suddenly disappeared.