Bump locked topic, should this be allowed?

[examplens]

I'm not sure if there has been a similar discussion before, but here I run it now because it's pretty boring and tiring.

it is not uncommon for certain users to open a new topic, write something in it and lock it immediately. in this way, they make it impossible to discuss or express a different opinion, there are no "awkward" questions to be asked. okay, it may not be that tedious, if that's the end of it. what makes things worse is when the same users do a daily bump and then lock up the topic again. that's how they keep on top of the page with their stuff and nonsense.

most often these are some shitty accusations, offers for dubious trades or selling illegal stuff.

The last example is from the user Koil with his threads:

from scam accusations MiLkZ Selling feedback, suchmoon, sandy-is-fine in same scheme protecting him
from reputation MiLkZ Selling feedback, suchmoon, sandy-is-fine in same scheme protecting him

the same user also opened a topic (and lock it immediately) where he offers a cash prize for the personal data of another user. (the administrators seem to have deleted it)

this is just the most recent example, but there is always someone who obsesses over the forum in this way. can we make this somehow impossible?
maybe a locked topic to loses bump power and automatically goes to the second or third page, this would eliminate the purpose of this way of emphasizing topics.

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[TheBeardedBaby]

I agree that something should be done. At least for those selling illegal stuff.
Proven scammed should not be allowed to lock or create self moderated threads.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Yeah, it's pretty annoying but with time when people no longer care about the troll, he will just give up once he finally gets to figure out that it's a waste of time.

1. If false allegations are being made against MiLkZ in the locked topics. He can simply open a new unmoderated topic with reference to the locked topic to defend himself

2. Just ignore the jackass

maybe a locked topic to loses bump power and automatically goes to the second or third page, this would eliminate the purpose of this way of emphasizing topics.

Maybe members can have limits to lock or move topics to certain boards, such as reputations not more than Twice.

[suchmoon]

Yeah, it's pretty annoying but with time when people no longer care about the troll, he will just give up once he finally gets to figure out that it's a waste of time.

It's a bit more than that. The (now deleted) threads that examplens mentioned had an offer to pay for MiLkz dox, with thinly veiled threats. I thought that used to a bannable offence but for some reason the user is still not banned.

I want to learn someone a life changing lesson, the member MiLkz
I am paying [...] for his REAL INFOS: name, address and everything that will lead me to him.
[...]
I am deadly serious and if there is any hackers around that can find me that person, feel free to contact me via pm.
Any high trusted and reputable escrow outside this forum can be used without issue to prove how deadly serious i am.

[Despairo]

Although it's annoying, but the moderators didn't have any control against scam whether it's valid or fake accusations. So you can't hope any moderators will take care against this case, moreover adding a new features where the user have certain limit to move a topic will not an easy to do. Regarding this thread, he's breaking the rules of post in duplicate board and I have report it to moderator.

12. No duplicate posting in multiple boards (except for re-posting topics in the local language boards if they're translated and re-posting marketplace topics in the altcoin boards if altcoins are accepted).

However, if you have moved a topic so many times and it's not belong where it does, you will got temporary banned like Nutildah case

I will continue moving the thread back where it belongs. If I am banned for that, it confirms I shouldn't be wasting a single nother second of my time here anyway.

Look, I'll give you the courtesy and tell you that staff members aren't going to continue playing cat and mouse with you and if you move it back again you'll get the same ban as the op did. You've done this many more times than him now and many other members have been banned in the past for repeatedly moving their threads back where they don't belong. I've given my reasons why the thread doesn't belong there above but something tells me for some reason you're looking for a ban so you can feel a martyr for something. I'd suggest you just move on. This really shouldn't be a big issue.

[LoyceV]

The last example is from the user Koil with his threads:

You could argue he's trolling now, which isn't allowed. But I don't expect him to be banned for it, and I don't expect the bumping rules to be changed (again). So my advice is to just ignore him, he has enough negative warning tags already.

maybe a locked topic to loses bump power and automatically goes to the second or third page

I like this idea! Not only for bump trolls (or the typical locked sales thread), but I've also often seen topics locked because they're no longer needed. In that case moving them down a few pages reduces clutter.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I agree that something should be done. At least for those selling illegal stuff.
Proven scammed should not be allowed to lock or create self moderated threads.

Well if scams aren't going to be moderated on bitcointalk, things should at least remain in support of free speech, no?  I've seen members do exactly what OP described before, and those threads weren't attempts to scam anyone.  Frankly I don't see anything wrong with it, though it might be frustrating for people who want to respond to whatever it is that's in the thread.  If it's important enough, you're always free to start up a separate thread in response.

So my advice is to just ignore him, he has enough negative warning tags already.

That's usually the best advice for complaints like this one, where the chance of the rules changing is infinitesimally small.

[NeuroticFish]

Maybe the reputation topics should not be locked at all.
And I also find the demoting of the ranking of locked topics a very good idea; nice one @examplens!

However, for now I've added that user to my ignore list. I'd expect that sooner or later he'll get tired/lose interest in spamming the reputation board.

[dkbit98]

You could argue he's trolling now, which isn't allowed. But I don't expect him to be banned for it, and I don't expect the bumping rules to be changed (again). So my advice is to just ignore him, he has enough negative warning tags already.

Since when is trolling not allowed in forum?!
Everyone could be like troll sometimes, but maybe he could be punished somehow for spamming forum and creating same topics in multiple boards.
I think the best thing we could do is that all members report his posts, so moderators would have to react in appropriate way eventually.

Just ignore the jackass

Yeah, I would agree with you on this.
I think we are giving him to much attention, and he probably gets more energy from that, like vampire.

[LoyceV]

Since when is trolling not allowed in forum?!

Since as long as I can remember:

3. No trolling.

I think we are giving him to much attention, and he probably gets more energy from that, like vampire.

I know that reference
The Energy Vampire is amazingly effective into getting under people's skin. Especially online:

It's surprisingly simple to get total strangers completely furious.

So true Except for the Thick-Skinned Gang, of course.

[Findingnemo]

Maybe the report to moderator can be a solution, for trolling and doing other posts which doesn't contribute anything to the forum in anyway. Trolling is actually against the forum rules but it doesn't followed as strict as the plagiarism rule so we can't expect such users to be banned and if we still see and their posts are non tolerable then just put the user on ignore that is why we have a say never feed the trolls.

[dkbit98]

Since as long as I can remember

It's not like anyone is going to be banned for trolling, same as for writing off-topic or for low value posts, and it's not always easy to identify if something is actually trolling or not.
Maybe it happened before but I don't know a single case of member in this forum getting banned for that.

How to deal with Internet trolls?
Typically, the best thing to do is ignore the troll. Do not engage this person in an argument or discussion. It is exactly what trolls feed off of because they love the attention.

https://edu.gcfglobal.org/en/thenow/what-is-trolling/1/

In this case, it's also possible that he is angry troll that seeks revenge and attention.

[hilariousetc]

I'm not sure if there has been a similar discussion before, but here I run it now because it's pretty boring and tiring.

it is not uncommon for certain users to open a new topic, write something in it and lock it immediately. in this way, they make it impossible to discuss or express a different opinion, there are no "awkward" questions to be asked. okay, it may not be that tedious, if that's the end of it. what makes things worse is when the same users do a daily bump and then lock up the topic again. that's how they keep on top of the page with their stuff and nonsense.

Create your own thread about it if you are unable to comment or reply. People are free to create a thread to respond and I would encourage users do that if people are trying to stifle discussion in a way that suits them.

the same user also opened a topic (and lock it immediately) where he offers a cash prize for the personal data of another user. (the administrators seem to have deleted it)

Well that would be against the rules and was probably reported and removed for such.

People should be allowed to lock their topic and bump it as long as it's within the rules. I've seen genuine users make use of locking a topic and bumping it likely because they don't want to deal with spam comments etc. Of course, scammers and idiots will make use of both locking their topic and deleting any comments they don't like but that's just how it goes. If you feel a user is doing something purely to troll or be abusive then you can try report the thread if you feel it breaks the rules. Users can already abuse the self-mod feature to delete comments they don't like but should we modify that or get rid of it too? I don't think so as users should be allowed to moderate their own topics however they want even if that does mean nefarious users will abuse it. If people are abusing these features, and especially to scam, then either create a thread in Rep or Scam Accs and/or use the feedback system to give warning/leave a note of why you find their behaviour suspicious or untrustworthy.

[OgNasty]

I brought this up in 2015 in the Donator/Staff section of this forum.  I was annoyed that obvious scams were being allowed to be posted in the marketplace sections and bumped while being locked (unlocked to bump, then relocked) to make newbies think it was safe to purchase from them while not allowing anyone else to give warnings.  I guess it was expected that we just leave negative feedback for what is an obvious scam with no evidence?  I think it's this approach to community moderation that led to psychos like Vod getting into the DT network.

Anyway, here's the response I got from a Global Moderator 8 years ago when I brought this up.

Q: Why haven't you banned <insert scammer username here> who is an obvious scammer?
A: Possible (or real, not for me to decide) scams are not moderated to prevent moderator abuse. If we start picking out which ones we call "scammers" and ban, we would make a lot of decisions based on biased opinions.

[The Cryptovator]

I like the idea, this should prevent somehow but not sure if this is possible. Because there will be a couple of issues when implementing something to prevent bumps for lock topics.

1. Disable the bump option permanently for the locked topic. This means if a user locks a topic for a one-time bump option will be disabled forever. But still, the user can bump using a new reply.

2. If disable bump the topic even make a new reply for a locked topic then we will have another issue. Locked means this topic shouldn't discuss longer. But maybe sometimes we need to unlock the topic for some reason. So in case of that, we will lose the right to bump the topic.

Although the idea is good, I don't think the admin is going to take any action. That's why DT Network exists on the forum to prevent or tag scammers.

[LTU_btc]

When I noticed title of this topic, my first thought was locked marketplace topics with bumps, not Reputation or Scam accusation topics. I don't like such beheaviour at all, but I don't think it shouldn't be disallowed. When I see such topics, I always look a bit suspicious into it - creator of it have something to hide or don't want to hear other opinion. Especially it's looking bad in marketplace threads. But I don't see big issue why bump of locked topics should be banned.

[Mpamaegbu]

So you can't hope any moderators will take care against this case

My concern in this isn't even because there's a scam accusation against the user OP reported, I'm wondering why a user would lock a thread they opened and only open it momentarily to bump it. What's that for? It means they're hiding something they don't want anyone else commenting on. It's not even like a self moderated thread where everyone can post in but being censored by OP. Here we've a case where OP wants to be seen and read but doesn't want to read from anyone else. It's bad and I think to that effect mods should step in and either delete the thread or lock it permanently themselves.