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June 19, 2022, 03:05:06 AM
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Of course the man is obligated to return the money. I don't know what the law is in Japan, but in few countries you cant even take the money you find on the street. In many countries, if you find any money or it falls into your hands in some other way, you must refer it to the authorities. Only if their owner is not found for a year, you can keep them for yourself. In this case, there is no doubt that this man spent not his money and must return it.

Agreed with your arguments. But why no action being taken against the bank? Bankers are the ones who receive the fattest paychecks and how can they make mistakes like this? For such big amounts, don't they need multiple levels of verification? And I am even more surprised that this happened in Japan. That country is well known for work efficiency, and something like this is unheard of. Anyway, the individual in question may go to jail, but I don't think that the bank will get back any of the money (since it is already used up).

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June 19, 2022, 03:46:49 AM
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Of course the man is obligated to return the money. I don't know what the law is in Japan, but in few countries you cant even take the money you find on the street. In many countries, if you find any money or it falls into your hands in some other way, you must refer it to the authorities. Only if their owner is not found for a year, you can keep them for yourself. In this case, there is no doubt that this man spent not his money and must return it.

Agreed with your arguments. But why no action being taken against the bank? Bankers are the ones who receive the fattest paychecks and how can they make mistakes like this? For such big amounts, don't they need multiple levels of verification? And I am even more surprised that this happened in Japan. That country is well known for work efficiency, and something like this is unheard of. Anyway, the individual in question may go to jail, but I don't think that the bank will get back any of the money (since it is already used up).

I don't really understand why you concluded that it was a mistake of the bankers?
In my opinion, it was a mistake of the person ordering the transfer. Of course, this should not be the case and the consequences should be faced. However, the banking system works differently from blockchain and this difference is the reversibility of transactions and the complete absence of anonymity.
I am not sure if a bank employee or an employee of some other institution that ordered this transaction made a mistake, but do you think the consequences should be borne by any of these two persons?
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June 19, 2022, 10:50:36 AM
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now, I have a question, do you think the man is entirely at fault or someone should also be responsible?

Japan has some strict laws on gambling and its allowed to specific people under specific conditions. You cant gamble openly in Japan like you do in USA or Europe. The man shouldn't have used that money for gambling since in banking system you can easily be traced. So the man was at guilty since he did a crime knowing that he can easily be caught.

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June 19, 2022, 05:48:17 PM
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Considering that he lost this money gradually, it will be difficult for him to claim that he did it under the influence of emotions or that he did not have time to figure out that it was not his money. Apparently, in addition to compensation for material damage, he will face prosecution and a prison term (however, I heard about the humaneness of the Japanese justice system, perhaps the punishment will be softer).
I think this is really sad because he used money that was accidentally sent to his wallet but ended up in jail and had to involve a very complicated legal route, it's better if he gets the funds then it's better to let it take longer so that those who make the wrong transfer will think that the wallet they have is not active or has not been used and waits for it to be unused before everything is safe.

In my country, there are many types of fraud with "erroneous" transfers, and those who know about it, having received incomprehensible money into their account, simply go to the bank and write a statement that this money must be removed from their account as it is a transfer of unknown origin. This man should have done the same, but he committed a crime and will now be punished - I do not see anything sad in this.

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June 19, 2022, 06:59:43 PM
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just as the title states, a man in Japan mistakenly sent 46.3m yen to his bank account which was supposed to be shared among 436 people in their town. the article says that the man gambled away the money by withdrawing 600k yen daily for two weeks and gambles it in online casinos and when the authority finally contacted him the money has already been gambled and gone. initially the man refuse to pay back the money that was mistakenly sent to him but after some time he decided to pay it back bit by bit. the town is also suing him for this incident.

you can read the full story here
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61490436

now, I have a question, do you think the man is entirely at fault or someone should also be responsible?
whatever he did was a big mistake, he already knew that the funds he got were the result of a wrong send but why did he keep using it to gamble

both the sender and the recipient must be held responsible for this incident (because this is human error) because the money is the right of the citizens

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June 19, 2022, 09:36:12 PM
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just as the title states, a man in Japan mistakenly sent 46.3m yen to his bank account which was supposed to be shared among 436 people in their town. the article says that the man gambled away the money by withdrawing 600k yen daily for two weeks and gambles it in online casinos and when the authority finally contacted him the money has already been gambled and gone. initially the man refuse to pay back the money that was mistakenly sent to him but after some time he decided to pay it back bit by bit. the town is also suing him for this incident.

you can read the full story here
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61490436

now, I have a question, do you think the man is entirely at fault or someone should also be responsible?
Of course, the man is entirely at fault because he knows in the first place that he's gambling the money that he did not own. And he even lose it all. If he is just honest and a responsible person, then he should return the huge amount of money to the sender as its clearly sent to him mistakenly. But he did not do what is supposed the right thing to do. He turned out to be greedy instead. But good thing he realized his fault in the end and decides to pay back the huge amount even bit by bit.


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June 19, 2022, 11:30:45 PM
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Considering that he lost this money gradually, it will be difficult for him to claim that he did it under the influence of emotions or that he did not have time to figure out that it was not his money. Apparently, in addition to compensation for material damage, he will face prosecution and a prison term (however, I heard about the humaneness of the Japanese justice system, perhaps the punishment will be softer).
I think this is really sad because he used money that was accidentally sent to his wallet but ended up in jail and had to involve a very complicated legal route, it's better if he gets the funds then it's better to let it take longer so that those who make the wrong transfer will think that the wallet they have is not active or has not been used and waits for it to be unused before everything is safe.

In my country, there are many types of fraud with "erroneous" transfers, and those who know about it, having received incomprehensible money into their account, simply go to the bank and write a statement that this money must be removed from their account as it is a transfer of unknown origin. This man should have done the same, but he committed a crime and will now be punished - I do not see anything sad in this.
I think the steps you have given are correct for SOPs in all countries but if you look at the case, those who have this money made a mistake in transferring it to the victim's wallet, what I know when something goes into our wallet, it belongs to us. us, so I'm assuming the victim who went to jail didn't do anything wrong because he used the money that was in the wallet he had. So, if the police there have determined you are guilty, then just follow the rules.

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June 19, 2022, 11:57:31 PM
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This person shouldn't have done this, because he himself knew well it is not his money. He hasn't won any jackpot or something like that. All are people's money, we don't know how many families are suffering just because they hadn't received the funds on time. Anyhow this has happened, now it is time for the banking authority to just make way for all the beneficiaries to receive the funds.

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June 20, 2022, 03:55:55 AM
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This person shouldn't have done this, because he himself knew well it is not his money. He hasn't won any jackpot or something like that. All are people's money, we don't know how many families are suffering just because they hadn't received the funds on time. Anyhow this has happened, now it is time for the banking authority to just make way for all the beneficiaries to receive the funds.

Logically speaking, it isn't the bank who should take liable here, they just process the request.

Both the sender and the receiver are the one who should shoulder the liabilities in this kind of situation, especially the receiver
who gambled the money.

He already taking care of his mistake and I guess it should be a good lesson for him and for the rest of the people who learned
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This person shouldn't have done this, because he himself knew well it is not his money. He hasn't won any jackpot or something like that. All are people's money, we don't know how many families are suffering just because they hadn't received the funds on time. Anyhow this has happened, now it is time for the banking authority to just make way for all the beneficiaries to receive the funds.
This man might be a gamble addict or a criminal. I said he might be a gamble addict because he used the the entire money on gambling. He never thought of investing the money or using it for other expenses but gambling was his option. He might be a criminal because he understood that the fund was for persons that Covid-19 pandemic has affected negatively. If he was a law-abiding citizen he would have reported to the government or the agencies concerned because the fund is not his. But because of his criminal mindset, he decided to steal the money. Its a shame that sincere and trusted people are becoming few in our society. I am sure that many people  would do the same thing this man did.

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June 20, 2022, 10:06:06 AM
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In my country, there are many types of fraud with "erroneous" transfers, and those who know about it, having received incomprehensible money into their account, simply go to the bank and write a statement that this money must be removed from their account as it is a transfer of unknown origin. This man should have done the same, but he committed a crime and will now be punished - I do not see anything sad in this.
I think the steps you have given are correct for SOPs in all countries but if you look at the case, those who have this money made a mistake in transferring it to the victim's wallet, what I know when something goes into our wallet, it belongs to us. us, so I'm assuming the victim who went to jail didn't do anything wrong because he used the money that was in the wallet he had. So, if the police there have determined you are guilty, then just follow the rules.

It's a big mistake to think so. An error is an error and it does not lead to a change in the legal status of tangible assets. I think if you dig deep, in a legal sense, your bank account is very different from your physical wallet, and the fact that an erroneous transaction occurred does not negate the fact that it was not his money.

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June 20, 2022, 10:19:52 AM
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This person shouldn't have done this, because he himself knew well it is not his money. He hasn't won any jackpot or something like that. All are people's money, we don't know how many families are suffering just because they hadn't received the funds on time. Anyhow this has happened, now it is time for the banking authority to just make way for all the beneficiaries to receive the funds.
This man might be a gamble addict or a criminal. I said he might be a gamble addict because he used the the entire money on gambling. He never thought of investing the money or using it for other expenses but gambling was his option. He might be a criminal because he understood that the fund was for persons that Covid-19 pandemic has affected negatively. If he was a law-abiding citizen he would have reported to the government or the agencies concerned because the fund is not his. But because of his criminal mindset, he decided to steal the money. Its a shame that sincere and trusted people are becoming few in our society. I am sure that many people  would do the same thing this man did.
I do not think he is a criminal and I cannot comment whether he was a gambling addict as nothing as such has been mentioned on the article. Whatever he did was wrong and he needs to now pay that money back. He should have reported about the money that he had recieved in his bank account to the authority rather spending it like this.

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The person who mistakenly sent the money to his bank account has some answering to do as well, but I don't think the fault is really on him. It was negligence on his part and he could suffer a punishment for it. Perhaps he'd be issued a memo or an admonition, suspension at most. If it was an honest mistake, he could even be excused from it.

But the fault really was on the man who spent the money even if it is not his. He should have exerted a little effort and tried to inquire where the money came from and sent it back. Not only did he not do it, he even spent it on gambling. It's really his fault.
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He's not a criminal but he probably plays a lot of gambling which makes him use up all the money in his account while we don't know if he's a gambling addict or not. He already has the intention to return all his money and this deserves appreciation because he realized his mistake. The bank itself needs to investigate this case because it stems from the fault of the bank employee. Everything has happened and I hope he is fine and there are no cases of wrong transfers from the bank.



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Of course, it is not a crime that the money came to the man by mistake. But I think it is a crime to spend money from someone else as if it was his own money. It is forgivable if he realizes the mistake and sends the money again. Maybe he shouldn't have spent the money on gambling at all. Is there an addiction?

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I'm shocked that someone takes money that isn't theirs to go play. But is this story really real?
it's most likely real. if you searched it on google you'll see a lot of articles regarding it from different news websites. it is also not the only scandal involving covid-19 money relief funds in Japan. if I remember correctly there is even a guy who flew out of the country just to escape being arrested by the Japanese police after being connected to a  massive covid-19 fund fraud.


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I'm shocked that someone takes money that isn't theirs to go play. But is this story really real?
it's most likely real. if you searched it on google you'll see a lot of articles regarding it from different news websites. it is also not the only scandal involving covid-19 money relief funds in Japan. if I remember correctly there is even a guy who flew out of the country just to escape being arrested by the Japanese police after being connected to a  massive covid-19 fund fraud.



Yep, you can find those news circulating and if you seek deeper you'll find out that the news was true,

I think it's very possible since there's money involve and there are greed people who tempted to do such things
it's human reaction and these kind of people are existing.

What make it worse, the person who are engage are addicted to gambling and he used the money that supposedly
for the people who are affected by covid19.
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The person who mistakenly sent the money to his bank account has some answering to do as well, but I don't think the fault is really on him. It was negligence on his part and he could suffer a punishment for it. Perhaps he'd be issued a memo or an admonition, suspension at most. If it was an honest mistake, he could even be excused from it.

But the fault really was on the man who spent the money even if it is not his. He should have exerted a little effort and tried to inquire where the money came from and sent it back. Not only did he not do it, he even spent it on gambling. It's really his fault.

The kind of mistake is something that needed to investigate much deeper,

it's a huge amount of money that is being transferred to the wrong account. The chance of doing an inside job is possible, but maybe it's

an honest mistake and the sender doesn't have any relation with the receiver. Anything behind will be for the law enforcement to find out,

if there's an inside job, both sides will be a liability with the kind of transactions that being done.
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just as the title states, a man in Japan mistakenly sent 46.3m yen to his bank account which was supposed to be shared among 436 people in their town. the article says that the man gambled away the money by withdrawing 600k yen daily for two weeks and gambles it in online casinos and when the authority finally contacted him the money has already been gambled and gone. initially the man refuse to pay back the money that was mistakenly sent to him but after some time he decided to pay it back bit by bit. the town is also suing him for this incident.

you can read the full story here
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61490436

now, I have a question, do you think the man is entirely at fault or someone should also be responsible?
This is a case where I am inclined because the man was not to blame, well he was to blame for betting and losing what he lost, but I am in favor of something, if a person receives money, that money is already of that person, the error was on the part of the person who sent it, when the money enters a person's bank account, I see it as entering private property, no one has the right to enter without the full consent of the person who owns it, In this case, he had the decency to return all the money, which I admire, but I think he did it because he is a very correct and ethical person, but in the case that he had been a person who did not work or have any income, how would he have done it? done then? pay with jail? I do not think so.

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June 22, 2022, 04:06:41 PM
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I'm shocked that someone takes money that isn't theirs to go play. But is this story really real?
it's most likely real. if you searched it on google you'll see a lot of articles regarding it from different news websites. it is also not the only scandal involving covid-19 money relief funds in Japan. if I remember correctly there is even a guy who flew out of the country just to escape being arrested by the Japanese police after being connected to a  massive covid-19 fund fraud.


Without a doubt it seems real enough for me, after all we have seen cases of people stealing the funds from the companies in which they worked as a way to fuel their gambling addiction, so it makes sense that if a huge amount of money suddenly got deposited to the bank account of someone addicted to gambling something like this would happen, if anything this should be a lesson, if one day we find a deposit which we do not know where it came from with a huge amount of money then it is best to go to the bank and try to get an explanation about what happened before we spend a single cent or we may get in trouble.
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