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June 22, 2022, 08:06:04 PM |
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I'm shocked that someone takes money that isn't theirs to go play. But is this story really real?
it's most likely real. if you searched it on google you'll see a lot of articles regarding it from different news websites. it is also not the only scandal involving covid-19 money relief funds in Japan. if I remember correctly there is even a guy who flew out of the country just to escape being arrested by the Japanese police after being connected to a massive covid-19 fund fraud. Without a doubt it seems real enough for me, after all we have seen cases of people stealing the funds from the companies in which they worked as a way to fuel their gambling addiction, so it makes sense that if a huge amount of money suddenly got deposited to the bank account of someone addicted to gambling something like this would happen, if anything this should be a lesson, if one day we find a deposit which we do not know where it came from with a huge amount of money then it is best to go to the bank and try to get an explanation about what happened before we spend a single cent or we may get in trouble. An ethical thing to be done I must say on which spending funds which isn't yours is something not that right thing to do but as said that once you are a gambling addict and turns out that some funds been transferred to your account unexpectedly then you won't really be minding on whose the owner or something like that but instead you will be minding off directly on how you would gonna spend it directly in gambling which isn't a surprising thing but not all people would be like that because we do mainly think about possible consequences if ever we do push that selfish action,majority would be normally scared on spending which isn't theirs.
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June 22, 2022, 08:48:54 PM |
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An ethical thing to be done I must say on which spending funds which isn't yours is something not that right thing to do but as said that once you are a gambling addict and turns out that some funds been transferred to your account unexpectedly then you won't really be minding on whose the owner or something like that but instead you will be minding off directly on how you would gonna spend it directly in gambling which isn't a surprising thing but not all people would be like that because we do mainly think about possible consequences if ever we do push that selfish action,majority would be normally scared on spending which isn't theirs.
If we have a history of receiving/depositing very large funds in conventional bank accounts without us realizing it then we suspect that there was an error in the purpose of the transfer, so we don't need to use the money for any purpose even for gambling because the sender must have realized the mistake and asked you to be kind return of aid funds for Covid-19. I agree with you, that some people will not use expenses to spend money that doesn't belong to them.
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June 22, 2022, 09:43:06 PM |
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This is bug irresponsibility on the part of the man, how can you spend money that was mistakenly sent to your account to gamble, and if this story has anything to go with the man should be made to pay back all the money or face a jail term.
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June 23, 2022, 02:17:24 AM |
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The man should not have used the money because he had seen money in his account but did not know who the sender was. Instead of using the money, he should have reported it to the bank and returned the money instead of being used for gambling. In addition, if there are funds in our account, we can see the notification via our cellphone so we can quickly report it to the bank.
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June 23, 2022, 02:28:54 AM |
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The man should not have used the money because he had seen money in his account but did not know who the sender was. Instead of using the money, he should have reported it to the bank and returned the money instead of being used for gambling. In addition, if there are funds in our account, we can see the notification via our cellphone so we can quickly report it to the bank. Well, people who have a good heart should do that but I'm sure for people who don't have a good personality, they will use the money for gambling and don't consider the consequences that will happen in the future so that at this time he is affected, if it is used for If he gambles and wins then he is lucky but when he gambles he loses then he is very unlucky until the end of his life because he has to accept punishment and has to change the money used to gamble to the bank.
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June 23, 2022, 04:05:40 AM |
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Well, people who have a good heart should do that but I'm sure for people who don't have a good personality, they will use the money for gambling and don't consider the consequences that will happen in the future so that at this time he is affected, if it is used for If he gambles and wins then he is lucky but when he gambles he loses then he is very unlucky until the end of his life because he has to accept punishment and has to change the money used to gamble to the bank.
Most of them are like this because I saw a movie with the same stories where he was shocked when he looked at his account which was almost the same story as the Japanese guy here and he went to gamble and bought everything he wants. Well, it might be just a movie but if you look at it in another way, they just portray what could possibly happen and they nailed it. Anyway, the title of the Movie: War of Money it's a Korean drama and has lots of lessons involving money.
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This is a case where I am inclined because the man was not to blame, well he was to blame for betting and losing what he lost, but I am in favor of something, if a person receives money, that money is already of that person, the error was on the part of the person who sent it, when the money enters a person's bank account, I see it as entering private property, no one has the right to enter without the full consent of the person who owns it,
luckily it doesn't work that way. I am sure each country has laws that protect people, companies, banks, etc... from mistakenly sending money to the wrong person. although I see your point, it would still most likely be illegal to use the money that has been mistakenly sent to your bank account. sure we can blame the sender for the error but you'd also be blamed if you withdraw and used that money knowing that the money is intended to be sent to you.
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June 23, 2022, 10:54:20 AM |
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This is a case where I am inclined because the man was not to blame, well he was to blame for betting and losing what he lost, but I am in favor of something, if a person receives money, that money is already of that person, the error was on the part of the person who sent it, when the money enters a person's bank account, I see it as entering private property, no one has the right to enter without the full consent of the person who owns it,
luckily it doesn't work that way. I am sure each country has laws that protect people, companies, banks, etc... from mistakenly sending money to the wrong person. although I see your point, it would still most likely be illegal to use the money that has been mistakenly sent to your bank account. sure we can blame the sender for the error but you'd also be blamed if you withdraw and used that money knowing that the money is intended to be sent to you. different opinion for sure, but the amount is not something that can easily let go and the purpose is also important. You both have your own shared opinion and there's no wrong with how you take the responsibilities of both sender and the receiver, they both have the mistake but the big concern is the way the receiver did with the money. Losing that huge amount into gambling is something that he's really being blamed.
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different opinion for sure, but the amount is not something that can easily let go and the purpose is also important.
There is everything wrong with spending a money that was accidentally sent to you. Worst still, the money is this huge and should raise a lot of concerns in the mind of whom got the credit. His actions of not making enquiries and going straight to spending the outrageous amount and in gambling even tells he's got plans of his own and was ready to face the consequences. In instances like this, you get to contact your family and friends to be sure without stating the sum and then you proceed to verify from your bank, if they could supposedly contact the sender. Fir all we know, it could be a scam deal for which, they want to frame someone or divert attention and it would be difficult explaining your innocence haven't spent the money already. Perhaps, this was he trying to make some profit his own off the money before making further verifications and it went south. Unfortunately, forgiveness isn't the way to go about this and his got to return what he spent.
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June 23, 2022, 11:29:51 AM |
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I don't think he'll be able to get that money back, because he just doesn't have it, and it's unrealistic to earn that kind of money working in a regular job. This guy clearly has a gambling addiction since he was able to lose so much money. So it makes no sense to expect him to ever repay the money. When he gets tired of living in debt, he will most likely try to disappear from the country to avoid paying his debts. In my opinion, the guy is not guilty of anything and ended up in this situation because of an error in the transfer of funds.
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June 23, 2022, 02:40:37 PM |
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now, I have a question, do you think the man is entirely at fault or someone should also be responsible?
Japan has some strict laws on gambling and its allowed to specific people under specific conditions. You cant gamble openly in Japan like you do in USA or Europe. The man shouldn't have used that money for gambling since in banking system you can easily be traced. So the man was at guilty since he did a crime knowing that he can easily be caught. The truth of the matter is the man is guilty of using money that does not belong to him to gamble, this act is a criminal act, especially in Japan which has strict laws on gambling. The bank will trace the money to the man's account the only way he may escape jail is only if he is declared bankrupt, and given time to pay back even though it looks impossible for full repayments.
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now, I have a question, do you think the man is entirely at fault or someone should also be responsible?
Japan has some strict laws on gambling and its allowed to specific people under specific conditions. You cant gamble openly in Japan like you do in USA or Europe. The man shouldn't have used that money for gambling since in banking system you can easily be traced. So the man was at guilty since he did a crime knowing that he can easily be caught. The truth of the matter is the man is guilty of using money that does not belong to him to gamble, this act is a criminal act, especially in Japan which has strict laws on gambling. The bank will trace the money to the man's account the only way he may escape jail is only if he is declared bankrupt, and given time to pay back even though it looks impossible for full repayments. Moreover, in the OP it says the person concerned is willing to pay it in installments, regardless of whether the money is used for gambling or not, that person is basically wrong. Even though the person is using it for things other than gambling, he is still wrong, but in this case it is not only the person who receives the money that is at fault, because their employees are also at fault. How can the employee concerned send such a large amount of money but not be careful to make such carelessness, so in this case too I think both are wrong and they should not be imprisoned because after all, both are wrong. But if the two are not able to reconcile and continue through legal channels then of course, I think both have their respective faults so that this case is not worthy of being brought to trial.
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June 24, 2022, 06:44:40 AM |
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Let's hope this is his last experience of getting money that is unclear and that he doesn't misuse the money for gambling. Whatever it was, the money didn't belong to him and he should have returned it to the owner. This is a lesson for all of us to avoid trouble like him. And hopefully, he doesn't go back to the table and gamble with his other money and make it a lesson that gambling is not a way to make money.
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June 24, 2022, 07:04:45 AM |
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Let's hope this is his last experience of getting money that is unclear and that he doesn't misuse the money for gambling. Whatever it was, the money didn't belong to him and he should have returned it to the owner. This is a lesson for all of us to avoid trouble like him. And hopefully, he doesn't go back to the table and gamble with his other money and make it a lesson that gambling is not a way to make money. I think the punishment received by this person in my opinion is still relatively light because it does not involve a lot of punishment that must be given, while gambling in my opinion not everyone fails to get additional results from gambling because I believe there are some people who have received the results by gambling can get results even if it's not too much at least he can get profit.
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Well, people who have a good heart should do that but I'm sure for people who don't have a good personality, they will use the money for gambling and don't consider the consequences that will happen in the future so that at this time he is affected, if it is used for If he gambles and wins then he is lucky but when he gambles he loses then he is very unlucky until the end of his life because he has to accept punishment and has to change the money used to gamble to the bank.
Most of them are like this because I saw a movie with the same stories where he was shocked when he looked at his account which was almost the same story as the Japanese guy here and he went to gamble and bought everything he wants. Well, it might be just a movie but if you look at it in another way, they just portray what could possibly happen and they nailed it. Anyway, the title of the Movie: War of Money it's a Korean drama and has lots of lessons involving money. Not familiar with the movie, but yes, it does happen now. The man has a gambling addiction problem because if he does not have, he will not be tempted to use that huge amount for gambling, he can simply send it back to the bank as knowing the Japanese culture they are very conservative in terms of trust concerned. Now, the person was convicted, and he needs to pay the amount that he spent from his gambling activities. He can't escape or make an alibis even it was a honest mistake that huge amount is not entitled to you you don't have any legal right to use and abused it, especially using it to a vice like gambling.
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June 24, 2022, 08:45:09 AM |
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Let's hope this is his last experience of getting money that is unclear and that he doesn't misuse the money for gambling. Whatever it was, the money didn't belong to him and he should have returned it to the owner. This is a lesson for all of us to avoid trouble like him. And hopefully, he doesn't go back to the table and gamble with his other money and make it a lesson that gambling is not a way to make money. I think the punishment received by this person in my opinion is still relatively light because it does not involve a lot of punishment that must be given, while gambling in my opinion not everyone fails to get additional results from gambling because I believe there are some people who have received the results by gambling can get results even if it's not too much at least he can get profit. This kind of things have sanctions for sure because at the first place it is not his money and it is for the funds of the relief at the same time is there's a two possible outcomes with it, first if the man wins in the gambling there's a chance he got a profit and bring back the real funds he use, or else losing all of it and he will face the penalty of doing this but i guess he will get in trouble no matter what happen.
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Let's hope this is his last experience of getting money that is unclear and that he doesn't misuse the money for gambling. Whatever it was, the money didn't belong to him and he should have returned it to the owner. This is a lesson for all of us to avoid trouble like him. And hopefully, he doesn't go back to the table and gamble with his other money and make it a lesson that gambling is not a way to make money. if he gets a severe punishment then I'm sure that person will really give up and will not repeat his stupidity again. other than that, hopefully, the media there spread the news about all of this so that other people don't do the same thing he did if they just got "wrong money sent" like this.
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now, I have a question, do you think the man is entirely at fault or someone should also be responsible?
It's not his fault he received the money, but I'm damn sure it's entirely his fault for doing what he did with it. And Jesus, I don't think COVID relief funds could have mistakenly ended up in worse hands than a gambler. He says he's going to pay it all back, but somehow I've got my doubts about that. Depending on how hardcore a gambler he is, the government may have to wait a long-ass time before they see that money again. But hey, it's not like this is even going to put a ding on the government's massive money vault. They could easily do what the US does and just create new money out of thin air, write a new check and send it to the right people this time. It's probably a lot of money for one person, but not for an entire country.
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Yes, but at least the person received the punishment and hopefully, it will deter him from doing the same thing in the future. That person should not think about making money from gambling because at least he should know and not try to make money from gambling. There might be a few who could do it but it wouldn't be much. snip
Let's hope things turn out for him so he won't repeat his stupidity. If the media has spread the news about all that, it may provide information to other people, but it depends on the bank employee who doesn't double check the account number.
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He said he will pay it back for one reason to show contrition vs his future trial and an effort to say he 'will pay the price'. No doubt if he lives for a thousand years he would pay it back otherwise it seems unlikely. However I do have good news for the man of great debts, YEN has achieved its lowest value in decades due to doubts over its central bank and its excessive debt via QE programs. Its possible it could go the way of the communist Ruble and several other currencies and end up disappearing or 10,000 to 1 new Ruble in the case of the former soviet era currency. Japan is of course the originator of the modern day QE concept and so the furthest down that yellow brick road. This debtor can swear repayment of a soon to be worthless currency, how handy. Possible not quite probable just yet.
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