Fake accusations/feedback by yahoo62278

[WalrusTusk]

Hello, I am offering a service where I am hiring people and first of all people are calling me out for being a scammer with absolutely no evidence or idea of what I am even offering as I am providing the details of the task to only people interested in doing the task/assignment. They have no idea what the service even entails or what I am even offering, but they somehow seem to have come to the conclusion that I’m a scammer and scamming people. These are completely fake accusations with no basis for the claims.

There is a trusted user, yahoo62278, who has left me negative feedback with these fake accusations on my profile and that will affect my business I do on this forum in the future. His judgement, analyzation, and review of scammers is way off and incorrect as I am not scamming anyone and I am sure his judgements and accusations have been way off for other people as well. His feedback will affect the business I do on this forum, especially because he is a trusted member and it shows up very clear on my profile. There is absolutely zero evidence and they are baseless and incorrect claims.

Here is the thread on the assignment I am hiring people to do - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5403151.msg60399496#msg60399496

[yahoo62278]

1st of all, thank you for sending a pm to me regarding this thread. I do not feel like the feedback is unjust as you are asking users to be very vulnerable.

Hello, I am hiring four people to do an easy task. The task will take you approximately 10-15 minutes to do.

This will require:

1) Your own bank account
2)$6.50 in your account you can spend
3) An iPhone or Android phone

This task requires up to a 30 day waiting period to receive your funds.

You also refuse to escrow

I wouldn’t be open to using escrow for this task as you are not risking any funds and also it would complicate the process of doing the task. The $6.50 also never leaves your ownership. If you are still interested shoot me a PM.

Whether the funds leave someone's possession or not, I find it a bit shady. Then telling users they may wait up to 30 days to be paid??? I would assume this has something to do with an app and you likely have no access to their bank info(i could be wrong), but you are asking users to spend money with the promise of being paid and offering them literally 0 protection of you saying fuck off i'm not paying you.

My tag is a warning to users, nothing more. They are free to still do business with you if they wish. I will let users discuss whether the tag is appropriate and see what they think is fair. I'm open to removing the tag if the community thinks its unfair.

FYI His judgement, analyzation, and review of scammers is way off and incorrect as I am not scamming anyone and I am sure his judgements and accusations have been way off for other people as well. kudos to you for having the balls to claim something against me, whether it's valid or not. I wish others didn't hide behind alts when making accusations against users.

[WalrusTusk]

1st of all, thank you for sending a pm to me regarding this thread. I do not feel like the feedback is unjust as you are asking users to be very vulnerable.

Hello, I am hiring four people to do an easy task. The task will take you approximately 10-15 minutes to do.

This will require:

1) Your own bank account
2)$6.50 in your account you can spend
3) An iPhone or Android phone

This task requires up to a 30 day waiting period to receive your funds.

You also refuse to escrow

I wouldn’t be open to using escrow for this task as you are not risking any funds and also it would complicate the process of doing the task. The $6.50 also never leaves your ownership. If you are still interested shoot me a PM.

Whether the funds leave someone's possession or not, I find it a bit shady. Then telling users they may wait up to 30 days to be paid??? I would assume this has something to do with an app and you likely have no access to their bank info(i could be wrong), but you are asking users to spend money with the promise of being paid and offering them literally 0 protection of you saying fuck off i'm not paying you.

My tag is a warning to users, nothing more. They are free to still do business with you if they wish. I will let users discuss whether the tag is appropriate and see what they think is fair. I'm open to removing the tag if the community thinks its unfair.

FYI His judgement, analyzation, and review of scammers is way off and incorrect as I am not scamming anyone and I am sure his judgements and accusations have been way off for other people as well. kudos to you for having the balls to claim something against me, whether it's valid or not. I wish others didn't hide behind alts when making accusations against users.

No problem on the PM. Well for this you are just way off I am not a scammer and am not running any scams. It is a full and legit deal I am offering. The assignment is fully legal and not breaking any laws as well or any site, company, or business policies.

I am not offering escrow because of the nature of the trade. For the people who are hired it would complicate the process and slow things down when the assignment they have to do is short and simple. Also I do not see anything shady about being paid up to 30 days after the task is done. The people I hire for the task may be paid much earlier, but it’s just a timeline for the maximum wait for the pay. This is all part of the assignment I am hiring people for and the people who want to work it have no risk of losing out on anything.

[logfiles]

The feedback is precautionary

yahoo62278

2022-06-19

Reference

Asking users to do a deal requiring bank account and they will not be paid for 30 days. Refusing escrow as well. Be careful

You refused to accept an escrow option, which is one way to prove if someone is serious with what they are offering, so deal with it. Prove him wrong. It's not like the negative feedback is something permanent. He can always reverse it whenever deemed possible.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Whether the funds leave someone's possession or not, I find it a bit shady.

I read his thread and got the same impression from it.  Escrow and the $6.50 up front aside, the fact that he only gives details of the offer via PM is totally sketchy, and this comment from a member who apparently did get the details doesn't put my mind at ease that this isn't something illegal or dangerous to whoever goes along with it:

I think this is some kind of a scam and can’t recommend to do it. You have to sign a contract, there is no escrow and in the app you are supposed to put in your private banking data. All details that can later be linked to your account here. And in the end there is not even a garantee  that you will get payed for all of this since he won’t use an escrow.

So OP, it's no wonder you got tagged.  Unless you reveal what it is you're doing, the fact that people have to enter their bank info into some kind of app is going to make people suspicious.  Maybe if you get people who did whatever it is you're trying to get them to do to report back that they got paid and weren't at risk of identity theft or some such thing, your red trust could be removed--but that's up to yahoo62278 and whoever else decides to tag you.

[Poker Player]

So OP, it's no wonder you got tagged. 

Same here.

I've been on the forums for a long time and I don't remember a single time in a case like this where it was subsequently proven that it was a legitimate business and that the accused had no bad intentions. The bad thing about scammers is that they want to convince you that they are good people with no bad intentions, otherwise they wouldn't be able to scam anyone.

In the unlikely event that what the OP proposes is legitimate, let him do what The Pharmacist says:

Maybe if you get people who did whatever it is you're trying to get them to do to report back that they got paid and weren't at risk of identity theft or some such thing, your red trust could be removed--but that's up to yahoo62278 and whoever else decides to tag you.

We would also have to see who is reporting and if it is a single person, etc, because a scammer could bring someone in cahoots with him here to try to convince us, but in general I agree with the idea.

[hZti]

I did not tag you so far but I can understand people that would tag you. What you ask for is: The banking information, the signature, money and many more data of people here on this forum. Than you do not explain in any word why you would need that. The only thing you say is that people would get some money payed for that information/task but you also under no circumstance want to use an escrow because "it is to complicated" even if that is not true at all. So please explain what is the purpose of what you are doing or live with the tag.

[yahoo62278]

I did not tag you so far but I can understand people that would tag you. What you ask for is: The banking information, the signature, money and many more data of people here on this forum. Than you do not explain in any word why you would need that. The only thing you say is that people would get some money payed for that information/task but you also under no circumstance want to use an escrow because "it is to complicated" even if that is not true at all. So please explain what is the purpose of what you are doing or live with the tag.

The user will not be explaining to anyone unless he is having them do the task. He sent me a couple pms while i was away earlier

How about I tell you the offer, you can see it is legit. Then if you want to you can post saying you’ve reviewed the assignment I am offering and it is a legit offer. I only want the assignment being told to the people who are hired, but since you are a trusted member I will tell it to you, so you can verify it is legit.

Once you verify the assignment is legitimate though when I send it to you I would ask that you remove your negative feedback.

then

Actually sorry about this, but I do not want to reveal the work the people I am hiring will be doing unless the person is hired for the job I am offering. So retract the offer I sent you earlier about sending you the full assignment. I posted/shared what I am comfortable with sharing about it to anyone not participating.

I may have agreed to look at his offer but since he changed his mind it makes it look even more like a scam.

[WalrusTusk]

None of your opinions change the fact I was offering a legitimate deal to the people I was working with for this deal. Also you not knowing the details of a trade is not a valid reason to label someone the way you have called me out. It really doesn’t matter what your opinions are of my business dealings because they are very incorrect and unsubstantiated and as far as I can see I am sure you all have severely screwed with peoples accounts on this forum. You really shouldn’t have any form of trust or weighted opinions on this site because of the fact you do not have the ability to accurately label or call out scammers as I have seen with me and also other people you have called out.

I have done business on this site for quite awhile. Just because my ratings, feedback, and dealings are not public to you doesn’t mean I am a fraud or scamming people. I also do not owe you an explanation for anything involving my business. Especially if you are just going to call me out for unrealistic problems and make up false narratives.

[stompix]

None of your opinions change the fact I was offering a legitimate deal to the people I was working with for this deal.

And nothing that you say can change our opinion that you're not to be trusted! See how this works?

It really doesn’t matter what your opinions are of my business dealings because they are very incorrect and unsubstantiated

Then why scream red bolded letters? If you don't care you should be totally ok with these.

Especially if you are just going to call me out for unrealistic problems and make up false narratives.

Prove those false narratives wrong, simple as that!

The bottom line right now
- you claim it's an easy task, you need a bank account, to install an app, to wait do "do" something to wait 14 days for payment
- you claim moving 180$ in an escrow account which can be done in 1 minute "it would complicate the process and slow things down", just lol
- as soon as somebody who is clearly not going to get fooled by a scam took your offer you suddenly said it's no longer available, again lol
- you never mentioned anything about inserting your data in an app, not a thing about basically giving a stranger all your private details

So, the warning is pretty much valid, I would also tell anyone to stay away from such proposals, being offered by you or anyone else on this forum

[WalrusTusk]

None of your opinions change the fact I was offering a legitimate deal to the people I was working with for this deal.

And nothing that you say can change our opinion that you're not to be trusted! See how this works?

It really doesn’t matter what your opinions are of my business dealings because they are very incorrect and unsubstantiated

Then why scream red bolded letters? If you don't care you should be totally ok with these.

Especially if you are just going to call me out for unrealistic problems and make up false narratives.

Prove those false narratives wrong, simple as that!

The bottom line right now
- you claim it's an easy task, you need a bank account, to install an app, to wait do "do" something to wait 14 days for payment
- you claim moving 180$ in an escrow account which can be done in 1 minute "it would complicate the process and slow things down", just lol
- as soon as somebody who is clearly not going to get fooled by a scam took your offer you suddenly said it's no longer available, again lol
- you never mentioned anything about inserting your data in an app, not a thing about basically giving a stranger all your private details

So, the warning is pretty much valid, I would also tell anyone to stay away from such proposals, being offered by you or anyone else on this forum

You are 100% wrong and your analyzation of the topic is in the same boat as everyone else posting here. None of you should have any weighted feedback on this forum due to the fact you have poor analyzation skills and cannot accurately determine what is a scam and what is not, therefore your opinions on scams are not relevant because you can’t determine what is a scam and what isn’t. I’ve done thousands of dollars of business on this site. You have absolutely zero details on the trade and know nothing besides a couple main points about the entire deal. The warning isn’t valid and if you were in a courtroom you could be sued for making unsubstantiated and slanderous claims regarding someone’s business matters. That goes for anyone making these types of claims about me. Unless you have proof or some type of evidence to support your claims in the future you shouldn’t be posting on these types of issues or making these types of accusations. Not using escrow is not a valid form of proof for literally any type of trade or deal on the internet or in person, regarding fraud.

[owlcatz]

You are 100% wrong and your analyzation of the topic is in the same boat as everyone else posting here. None of you should have any weighted feedback on this forum due to the fact you have poor analyzation skills and cannot accurately determine what is a scam and what is not, therefore your opinions on scams are not relevant because you can’t determine what is a scam and what isn’t. I’ve done thousands of dollars of business on this site. You have absolutely zero details on the trade and know nothing besides a couple main points about the entire deal. The warning isn’t valid and if you were in a courtroom you could be sued for making unsubstantiated and slanderous claims regarding someone’s business matters. That goes for anyone making these types of claims about me. Unless you have proof or some type of evidence to support your claims in the future you shouldn’t be posting on these types of issues or making these types of accusations. Not using escrow is not a valid form of proof for literally any type of trade or deal on the internet or in person, regarding fraud.

No. You are just wrong here, ... Everyone here has pointed out everything shady about it, so, why are you even bothering anymore? The users of this forum clearly do not want anything to do with your "Business"....

On that note, why don't you just take a fuckin hint & ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVYwVQ8huzs

 

[WalrusTusk]

You are 100% wrong and your analyzation of the topic is in the same boat as everyone else posting here. None of you should have any weighted feedback on this forum due to the fact you have poor analyzation skills and cannot accurately determine what is a scam and what is not, therefore your opinions on scams are not relevant because you can’t determine what is a scam and what isn’t. I’ve done thousands of dollars of business on this site. You have absolutely zero details on the trade and know nothing besides a couple main points about the entire deal. The warning isn’t valid and if you were in a courtroom you could be sued for making unsubstantiated and slanderous claims regarding someone’s business matters. That goes for anyone making these types of claims about me. Unless you have proof or some type of evidence to support your claims in the future you shouldn’t be posting on these types of issues or making these types of accusations. Not using escrow is not a valid form of proof for literally any type of trade or deal on the internet or in person, regarding fraud.

No. You are just wrong here, ... Everyone here has pointed out everything shady about it, so, why are you even bothering anymore? The users of this forum clearly do not want anything to do with your "Business"....

On that note, why don't you just take a fuckin hint & ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVYwVQ8huzs

 

Well you are just another person that should have no weighted opinion as far as marketplace activity goes on this forum and also overall weighted trust feedback as you have no idea how to point out scams, look for scams, or identify scams. Anyone else?

[suchmoon]

The warning isn’t valid and if you were in a courtroom you could be sued for making unsubstantiated and slanderous claims regarding someone’s business matters.

This is not a courtroom. And the trust rating is not slander (defamation), which would require the author to be deliberately lying with an intent to harm. That's not what happened here. The feedback is based on publicly available facts.

On the other hand, you keep insisting that you've "done thousands of dollars of business on this site" but you have nothing to show for it. What you have in your post history contradicts that - loan request, fiverr "business", some failed auction, "services" no one seemed to be interested in, $25 gift card, etc - nothing to indicate trustworthiness. And the "service" you got red trust for fits that pattern, not a pattern of "thousands of dollars of business".

[WalrusTusk]

The warning isn’t valid and if you were in a courtroom you could be sued for making unsubstantiated and slanderous claims regarding someone’s business matters.

This is not a courtroom. And the trust rating is not slander (defamation), which would require the author to be deliberately lying with an intent to harm. That's not what happened here. The feedback is based on publicly available facts.

On the other hand, you keep insisting that you've "done thousands of dollars of business on this site" but you have nothing to show for it. What you have in your post history contradicts that - loan request, fiverr "business", some failed auction, "services" no one seemed to be interested in, $25 gift card, etc - nothing to indicate trustworthiness. And the "service" you got red trust for fits that pattern, not a pattern of "thousands of dollars of business".

Well like I said it is not my priority or my duty to prove anything to you based on unsubstantiated claims. It is the people that have weighted feedback and others who identify fraudulent activity on the forum responsibility to accurately and appropriately identify those types of cases or else you should not be labeling and calling people out for fraudulent activity.

I also did not feel comfortable with revealing the details to the user “yahoo62278” about what my trade and task entailed. However I would have no problem and still have no problem of showing a moderator of the site the task I had planned and they could see that it was fully legit and in fact, there was absolutely zero fraudulent activity or scamming going on or even a question until people started bringing it up on my thread.

[suchmoon]

Well like I said it is not my priority or my duty to prove anything to you based on unsubstantiated claims. It is the people that have weighted feedback and identify scammers on this website to accurately and appropriately do that or else you should not be labeling and calling people out for fraudulent activity.

It's not about proving something, it's about your reputation or rather lack of it. And so far you're the one making unsubstantiated claims (thousands of dollars of business), whereas yahoo's feedback is fully substantiated with facts even if you disagree with his conclusion.

I also did not feel comfortable with revealing the details to the user “yahoo62278” about what my trade and task entailed. However I would have no problem and still have no problem of showing a moderator of the site the task I had planned and they could see that it was fully legit and in fact, there was absolutely zero fraudulent activity or scamming going on or even a question until people started bringing it up on my thread.

Scams or accusations are not moderated and moderators will not get involved in your scheme.

[owlcatz]

Well like I said it is not my priority or my duty to prove anything to you based on unsubstantiated claims. It is the people that have weighted feedback and identify scammers on this website to accurately and appropriately do that or else you should not be labeling and calling people out for fraudulent activity.

I also did not feel comfortable with revealing the details to the user “yahoo62278” about what my trade and task entailed. However I would have no problem and still have no problem of showing a moderator of the site the task I had planned and they could see that it was fully legit and in fact, there was absolutely zero fraudulent activity or scamming going on or even a question until people started bringing it up on my thread.

Thanks again for the laugh man... 

Again, literally nobody wants you here... now....

[AnotherAlt]

Since he is not scamming you and you accusing him of fake feedback, I believe this thread should be moved to the Reputation board. This will be an appropriate section if yahoo62278 creates a thread accusing you.

Back to the main topic,
Since most members think it's shady (I think so), why don't you agree to escrow the funds if your task is legit?
If you don't care about the feedback, just let it go. But if you care, you must follow the majority of feedback from trusted persons.

[logfiles]

I have done business on this site for quite awhile. Just because my ratings, feedback, and dealings are not public to you doesn’t mean I am a fraud or scamming people. I also do not owe you an explanation for anything involving my business.

If you don't owe anyone any explanation about your “business” then I don't see why you are bitchin' about people being suspicious of your business activity. We see scammers here every day with such business offers.

If the dealings are private, then what's the point of announcing them here?

Be transparent and prove that you are legitimate, or continue with your private dealings and quit bitchin'. Simple as that.

[aioc]

My tag is a warning to users, nothing more. They are free to still do business with you if they wish. I will let users discuss whether the tag is appropriate and see what they think is fair. I'm open to removing the tag if the community thinks its unfair.

Your tag is fair and appropriate based on the community's standard there are legendary members that offer escrow and transparency on what they are offering what makes him different, I would question or suggest an escrow or transparency if the one offering is even a trusted member, it's not the personality it's the offer that will satisfy the community, we have so many similar offers like this in the past and many of them ended in the scam section.