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June 22, 2022, 07:56:50 PM
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Transgender women joining sporting events that were originally created for biological women has sparked some debates for some time now. I wouldn't delve into the science of it since I'm not that good about these matters anyway hehe. People argue about their physical advantage over biological women and called for changes like having a different category.

Their call has been answered first by FINA when majority voted for a ban and the creation of an open category for trans women.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-20/fina-votes-to-restrict-transgender-swimmers-in-competition/101166220

The rule by FINA was followed by the International Rugby League. More study will be done for a more inclusive policy.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-21/international-rugby-league-bans-transgender-women-fina-policy/101169870

I think it will just be a matter of time before other sports organization will follow after them. Will there be a good market for this? I don't know but bookies will probably open a different line for the events exclusive for them. Would you bet if they do?   

I think it's better that they're in a separate grouping, because there is the potential for all sorts of complications and it would be unfair to women to be competing against somebody who was born as a man. Everyone should be free to choose what they want to be, however it should not impact on the fairness of the sport for other groups. It might be rather difficult to get a team going for some countries as it is something relatively few people are interested in doing and of those people there is a whole world of sports available. It might work better for individual games like tennis or golf, but women's sport has only really started to break through heavily (at the top end / televised level) in the last decade or so, it could be a uphill struggle to get recognized and rewarded.

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June 22, 2022, 10:08:32 PM
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Although it's not moral, due to the inequity, it would be profitable to bet on transgender athtletes when competing against women. But to bet in transgender category matches is tricky like any other category, because they are playing from equal to equal. I don't know how is the demand of the public for transgender matches right now, but I have the impression it's not so popular at a point sportsbook would introduce those matches in quantity.

In fact, I only got aware about transgender athletes because they punched women so hard, that they became popular over the whole internet quite fast through the public's indignation.

I doubt that such a possibility ever existed, since it is unlikely that bookmakers are so stupid as not to understand that a man who calls himself a woman is much stronger than real women.
In fact, you can bet on anything (even transgender competitions among themselves), the only question is whether it is profitable or not. I do not see any arguments in favor of the fact that it will be more profitable than betting on regular competitions.

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June 22, 2022, 10:15:26 PM
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Although it's not moral, due to the inequity, it would be profitable to bet on transgender athtletes when competing against women. But to bet in transgender category matches is tricky like any other category, because they are playing from equal to equal. I don't know how is the demand of the public for transgender matches right now, but I have the impression it's not so popular at a point sportsbook would introduce those matches in quantity.

In fact, I only got aware about transgender athletes because they punched women so hard, that they became popular over the whole internet quite fast through the public's indignation.

I doubt that such a possibility ever existed, since it is unlikely that bookmakers are so stupid as not to understand that a man who calls himself a woman is much stronger than real women.
In fact, you can bet on anything (even transgender competitions among themselves), the only question is whether it is profitable or not. I do not see any arguments in favor of the fact that it will be more profitable than betting on regular competitions.

This will be profitable in my opinion, if in case, you are very familiar with those athletes.
If you know their strengths and their performance level, I do think that's your advantage if you do bet on them.
I don't see anything wrong betting on their events. I treat it as just another regular sporting events.
It is up to you how you will see them as athletes. But should not look them differently, in my opinion.
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June 22, 2022, 10:20:26 PM
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This remind of the message Qatar president spread around to warn LGBT and other sexually abuse kind of people who are coming to watch FIFA in coming months to adhere to rules and regulations of the country. I don't think some countries will buy this idea and I even doubt if the investors will want to pour some millions of dollars in sponsoring this kind of games.
It's cool for those who don't see anything bad in it but personally, I wouldn't and never put my money in these kind of events, it doesn't align with my believe and same will go for plenty of people.

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June 22, 2022, 10:23:54 PM
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I think it will just be a matter of time before other sports organization will follow after them. Will there be a good market for this? I don't know but bookies will probably open a different line for the events exclusive for them. Would you bet if they do?   

The biological female sporting (gambling) market isn't that huge yet, how then will this be any different. I don't think there's a market currently but who knows maybe in the future things might change. No body believe the gay community will be this huge as it is today that people can boldly come out to announce themselves and instead of be crucified they are been celebrated.

Maybe there would be a time been a transgender will become a norm and things like betting on them in sport events will be popular. And If this time do come, I don't mind betting, the goal is to win and double my capital and I'll do everything possible to achieve that instead of discriminating my fellow humans.

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June 22, 2022, 10:46:03 PM
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Will there be a good market for this?

I'm not here to criticize anyone's sexual options (although I don't like that kind of thing about men becoming women and women becoming men), but in sport there have always been rules and these rules must be followed and not changed because they are already good, so in my opinion it would be that if we're talking about women's basketball, then a guy who thinks he's a woman can play in a women's team, but I don't agree with creating teams of transgender people.

Would you bet if they do? 

well if i do all the analysis of the game and realize i can make a profit then i will bet. when I place bets I'm not worried about things related to race, sex, or religion or region, I'm worried about making a profit

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June 22, 2022, 10:58:06 PM
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Transgender women joining sporting events that were originally created for biological women has sparked some debates for some time now. I wouldn't delve into the science of it since I'm not that good about these matters anyway hehe. People argue about their physical advantage over biological women and called for changes like having a different category.

They have an outright advantage over their opponent psychologically, just the thought of the other party that they are fighting what was once a real man beneath that look will give the transgender opponent something to worry about

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Their call has been answered first by FINA when majority voted for a ban and the creation of an open category for trans women.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-20/fina-votes-to-restrict-transgender-swimmers-in-competition/101166220

They should have one of their own I mention the physiological advantage is there it will create chaos and countries and companies will just prefer transgender to compete than a real woman I am in no way disregarding or disrespecting the transgender but we must think logically and put the right perspective in our traditional participants of the sports.

The rule by FINA was followed by the International Rugby League. More studies will be done for a more inclusive policy.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-21/international-rugby-league-bans-transgender-women-fina-policy/101169870

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I think it will just be a matter of time before other sports organization will follow after them. Will there be a good market for this? I don't know but bookies will probably open a different line for the events exclusive for them. Would you bet if they do?
This will be something new for all of us and we have to see it first happening if they can promote these events the right way then it will become popular we are living in a new era where everything is now possible and almost accepted.  

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June 22, 2022, 11:31:50 PM
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I think it will just be a matter of time before other sports organization will follow after them. Will there be a good market for this? I don't know but bookies will probably open a different line for the events exclusive for them. Would you bet if they do?   

Why not? if sports bookies are going to open a line about this matches, so most likely there will be bettors around here. Of course others will see as they will have an advantage, so they should have their own league by themselves. And so it's too early to conclude this is going to be a hit or miss. But as we all know the world is evolving so fast that even sports would have to cope with this kind of narratives.

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June 22, 2022, 11:41:07 PM
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The pros and cons of transgenders aside from the world of sports are also ongoing, so don't be surprised if this also happens in sports.
It is a dilemma and debatable when a transgender woman joins the team. The presumption is that they are male after all and have male power. This may be the first reason. If it's related to fairness or not, it's better if you are of the same gender as the original. And doesn't transgender participation in sports also depends on the club or country itself according to the provisions of world-class organizations, right?
For me, probably team with transgender will have a distinct advantage for the team.


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I think it will just be a matter of time before other sports organization will follow after them. Will there be a good market for this? I don't know but bookies will probably open a different line for the events exclusive for them. Would you bet if they do?   

From a gambler's perspective, if there's a betting market available, there will always be a bettor that will consider placing a bet on that. It also depends on what type of sports we are referring to here. Bettors will consider placing their respective bets, not because of any transgender related-issues but if that league is known and popular, the usual betting will just go on.

If that's a separate event where all participants are transgender, building a betting market on it might be slow from that start but eventually, it will surely grow in progress as long as those types of events are regularly held and being supported and backed by popular institutions.

It's a good initiative for me actually that there's an event specifically for transgenders.
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It looks like majority of the responses won't mind betting and most also agree that it will take time before there will be a huge market for transgender women only events. I didn't know their population is that small yet. I thought they had more numbers than the 0.4% to be honest. I don't think bookies would be opening lines for them anytime soon.

This'll be hard to bet on IMO. There are several transgenders who only went for a change after their bodies have fully developed, and there are others who have stopped the hormones of their natural sexes early on, leading to an undeveloped body for their natural sex. There is already a disparity and a slight advantage to those who changed their sex after they have achieved full development of their body, and while talent and performance still is the main thing that gets the athlete to the top, you can't deny that body/physical features still help a ton.
I get it that we are born with different bodies but this makes it even more complicated then. The sports organizations will have to place special rules to address this.
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I wouldn't bet on those events as I feel like the events wouldn't stand out as much compared to the well-known sports event we already have and as a sports bettor, it's tough to go for lesser-known events since there would be less information regarding the players and the teams. If I see someone who's knowledgeable enough about the league then it's probably okay to bet on it once in a while but on a regular basis, it's much better to go for popular events where the competition is much tougher.

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I don't really understand why transgender women are trying to join sports competitions that are made for women. I mean, they have the physical body of a man that has been altered to be a woman however the difference in physical strength is a lot.  

Anyways, yes, I would definitely bet on these kinds of events as it might be more fun to see them in action rather than on plain gender events. However, I don't think that there will be a huge market for these events as the only main difference is their gender but still, there's a chance that at least one sports event will have a good market for transgender people.
transgenders have a different physique from the original so that, this is a very concerning thing at this time. there was once a real female athlete who complained about the rules of the sport that allowed transgenders to compete with them because that transgender always win. I don't want to bet on sports where there are transgender.

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I think it will just be a matter of time before other sports organization will follow after them. Will there be a good market for this? I don't know but bookies will probably open a different line for the events exclusive for them. Would you bet if they do?   

I believe that the creation of a specific category is something very assertive.
I am also not an expert on the subject, but if we are to see the amount of trans women (ex-men) winning awards is much greater than the amount of trans men (ex-women), why is it!?

Anyway... I believe that as these categories become popular, betting sites should list them as well.
I'd bet, I don't see a problem with that.

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I'm not really interested at the idea of opening events exclusively for them. If you mean like we'll have men boxing, women boxing, gay boxing, lesbian boxing, and so on. So we would also have NBA, WNBA, GNBA, LNBA? This is ridiculous! I'm not saying I won't be betting on them once they're already established, though. But I'm not excited of that possibility.

Anyway, it is really unfair, if not outright absurd, if male athletes identifying themselves as female would be accepted in the female category. That's really stupid!

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First I disagree about transgender itself, but if indeed such a circle has formed and they have their sport too. So as much as possible their circle is only special for them, meaning that if there are transgender people, they cannot be combined with those who are still normal and natural. Because for a bet requires judgment and one of them is from their physical strength, if transgender and normal/natural people are combined then of course it will be difficult to judge and become unbalanced because they are basically different.

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The transgender needs to be given equal rights. I don't say people are against them, but they weren't able to be normal as a men/women. See, in sports their participation is denied. Likewise we can find transgenders being denied opportunities on different sectors because of their gender. So, forming a separate sporting events for them is really a needed one. If we people don't participate atleast transgender people will start betting on those events.

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I think it will just be a matter of time before other sports organization will follow after them. Will there be a good market for this? I don't know but bookies will probably open a different line for the events exclusive for them. Would you bet if they do?   
In time , people may accept this but depend on what kind of transgender will be joining , there are types of Transgender that has been a female living since they were young , My best friends Son has been showing his femininity since age of 3 and till now? He lives like a total Woman so maybe His muscle development is far different from normal men?
but there are also some of them that only find their gender at late ages? or at least at after teenager in which they had lived a masculine world for long years and yes they are not really allowed to play with woman because he will surely have that advantage .









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The transgender needs to be given equal rights. I don't say people are against them, but they weren't able to be normal as a men/women. See, in sports their participation is denied. Likewise we can find transgenders being denied opportunities on different sectors because of their gender. So, forming a separate sporting events for them is really a needed one. If we people don't participate atleast transgender people will start betting on those events.
Transgender people may be given the opportunity to form sporting events. Still, I think it will depend on where the transgender is located because some countries, especially countries that strongly adhere to their religion, will strongly object. This is a problem in several countries that reject the existence of transgender people because they are considered to have violated their nature as human beings. Perhaps there needs to be more discussion between religious leaders, government, transgender people, and the general public. It's not easy to provide a solution.



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Transgender women joining sporting events that were originally created for biological women has sparked some debates for some time now. I wouldn't delve into the science of it since I'm not that good about these matters anyway hehe. People argue about their physical advantage over biological women and called for changes like having a different category.

Their call has been answered first by FINA when majority voted for a ban and the creation of an open category for trans women.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-20/fina-votes-to-restrict-transgender-swimmers-in-competition/101166220

The rule by FINA was followed by the International Rugby League. More study will be done for a more inclusive policy.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-21/international-rugby-league-bans-transgender-women-fina-policy/101169870

I think it will just be a matter of time before other sports organization will follow after them. Will there be a good market for this? I don't know but bookies will probably open a different line for the events exclusive for them. Would you bet if they do?   


I can't say for sure how we should judge that a group of transgender people competes in sports.  In my opinion, they have the right to participate in sports in any field or make professions as athletes, do they guarantee that they are great?  certainly not at all.  do they guarantee victory?  not really, I think it depends on the talent they have.  will bookies open the way for transgender people?  I'm sure not.  There are many things to consider as well as debate.  so I think it's perfectly legal for them to be involved in any sport as long as it doesn't violate the rules.

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