Enforce “grammarly ” like score minimum to post..

[eddie13]

Some kind of spell check like tool with a score..
If your writing doesn’t score a 70% or whatever, it won’t let you post..

Could also help users LEARN English better/faster by forcing them to put effort into correcting their writing.
Have it with the change suggestions and such so it helps them fix it..

Would put a good dent in rapid posting shitposters too.. Almost even like a bot filter..

Imagine if all the spam on this forum suddenly had to meet a grammar score standard, lmao..
It could possibly be revolutionary in posting quality improvement..
What percentage of shitposts on this forum would even come close to like a 30% grammar score?
It could wipe out so much utter trash..

Many shitposts I see, I can hardly even believe are created by humans at all..
Even low end chat bots are much better..

[Poker Player]

It is good to make proposals like this and I have made some myself but I guess we are aware that theymos is not very given to changing things on the forum.

Going to the point, I don't see many posts with poor English grammar. There are some, yes, but I don't see a big problem. I don't know if it is because we usually visit different sections of the forum because I don't see you very much.

Also, I would say that the problem is going improve naturally because nowadays online translators work quite decently and will continue to improve in the future, so I think that users who write in English and are not native speakers will use them more and more. Even professional translators use automatic translators and what they do is to revise the text afterwards, making small changes (unless they are translating poetry for example).

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Interesting idea, and I can't say I've every seen it suggested before (though I think there have been similar proposals).

Problem:  Theymos doesn't seem to be inclined to make any sort of changes like this.  He's very much a freedom of expression type of person, and I'm assuming part of that means giving a lot of latitude when it comes to members not being great writers.  Even hitting a 70% score on either grammar/spelling or both would just lead to a lot of complaints and frustration--and though it might cut down on bots and spammers, the resulting outcry of displeasure would probably outweigh the benefits.

Another problem: There are a lot of members who have a lot of trouble with English, yet they're very valuable to the community.  I wouldn't want to see their contributions erased simply because of a language barrier.  I don't think your proposal would help them, either, not if all they got was a message saying their post didn't hit the arbitrary threshold set by the forum.

Is Jet Cash still around?  He used to be really into helping members with their English, and a couple of years ago he had a website devoted to that and invited everyone who was interested....and IIRC, he didn't get many takers.

[Plaguedeath]

I don't think it's good idea to make such limitation because theymos already stated it's not need to be perfect English, I think 70% score is considered well written since they need to look at the grammar, not misspelled or using an incorrect words. I'd say it's better if they check the misspelled and try to use more appropriate words, because some people blatantly using google translate from their local language to English and that's make the sentence is odds.

I'm example of not a perfect English and I try my best to express my own opinion, I think even my grammar is bad, you can still understand what I'm trying to say it's? At least it doesn't make you confuse.

Just let you know, everyday when I have free time I always try to learn English to write more correctly, but I'm not sure where's the problem since I still couldn't write like a native, perhaps it take times.

Languages

If you are fluent in any language other than English, then it is highly encouraged for you to post in your local board. These boards often have tight-knit communities which will be able to help you, and in some ways you might be at an advantage compared to English-only posters.

In the English sections, only English is allowed. It is not necessary to speak perfect English, though you should be understandable. Try your best. If you're unsure whether your English is good enough, ask in your local board or in the Beginners & Help section

However this kind idea is similar like newbie jail where theymos disagree about it and would damage the forum nature.

Limiting newbie participation is very harmful for a community. Newbie jail will never return: I consider the newbie-jail period to have been extremely damaging to the forum. When barriers to participation are too high, then the best people often just won't go to the trouble of joining, and the people who are willing to jump through the hoops are often people who aren't good for the community: people with nothing better to do, scammers, get-rick-quickers, etc. Having a permanent newbie jail policy would improve things a lot in the short-term, but would end up being a fatal poison to the community.

[Charles-Tim]

That won't be necessary in my opinion. I do not see any reason this forum needs that. For shit posts, we do often report to moderators. If a post lacks good written English, it would be more of a shit post. To be candid, I do not see this as an issue on this forum.

[Smartvirus]

To say the least, this is synonymous to the classical IQ April fool stunt thrown to users by Theymos months ago and I feel this would be met with the same conclusion, as the discussion on its validity preceeded. It might take a different line but ends in rating to enable posting and that doesn't seat well with me, given the fact that some users are at advantage than others. Those who have finished college, went to better schools, not from poor countries and have English as there official language.
It entertains bias and you don't start a rating on all with such and we've also got local board posting to consider too!

Would put a good dent in rapid posting shitposters too.. Almost even like a bot filter.

Imagine if all the spam on this forum suddenly had to meet a grammar score standard, lmao..
It could possibly be revolutionary in posting quality improvement..
What percentage of shitposts on this forum would even come close to like a 30% grammar score?
It could wipe out so much utter trash..

As much as I see reasons how this could restrict users without proper use of English grammar from posting too rapidly, the same can't be said for those that speak proper English as that doesn't guarantee that they won't spam!
I guess the best approach to this would always be report to moderator and have them decide if its worth dumping in the trash or not.

[eddie13]

I don’t really think it would be implemented not an I asking for it to be..
Just an idea I thought would be interesting to discuss..

Maybe grammar isn’t quite the correct word to describe what I see problems with..
Language syntax would be more correct..

Maybe right NOW it’s not the peak of this problem.. Think back to like the yobit signature campaign days..

[Plaguedeath]

Maybe right NOW it’s not the peak of this problem.. Think back to like the yobit signature campaign days..

This campaign? Yobit.net signature campaign

Well if the shitposter is a signature participant, then the campaign manager itself is the one who responsible to count and not count the post.

[PX-Z]

If its only for those who participated a campaign, yes, although the manager can decide for that since some requiring local posts.

But for a simply asking for help or question or maybe some kind of discussion? Meeh, imagine a user from a non-english country asking some urgent help but cannot proceed because of this. Although there are local boards but not all of these boards have many active members that can answer eventuall or knew say its a technical related question.

I'd say better to report the post instead having this kind of feature.

[Cookdata]

This is starting to appear like a paramilitary forum, which will be difficult for other members who aren't proficient in English and don't have a local board to communicate fluently. Also, we have several types of English, such as British America, Australia, and the US, how do you think the forum will manage this, or will the site reject my post because my official language is British? This is a waste of time that will never happen, and you are increasing the load on the forum and the speed by adding this feature.
The Mods are here for a reason, if you see a shit post, report it and any of them will look into it when they check.

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Disclaimer: I picked the post, randomly and used character shuffler.

What id the the “grammarly ” like score for this post? 😉
This is not an English learning forum but bitcoin forum but adding some cool feature to help correcting grammar will be helpful. Although a Firefox extension works just fine.

Imagine if all the spam on this forum suddenly had to meet a grammar score standard, lmao..

You want the staff to be fired? 😂

[jackg]

This is starting to appear like a paramilitary forum, which will be difficult for other members who aren't proficient in English and don't have a local board to communicate fluently. Also, we have several types of English, such as British America, Australia, and the US, how do you think the forum will manage this, or will the site reject my post because my official language is British?

Yeah it'd definitely make the forum look like it favours only a few ways of writing then too. There are Asian, European and African dialects of English that are easy to understand but grammarly probably hates (because it's not designed for them).

If its only for those who participated a campaign, yes, although the manager can decide for that since some requiring local posts.

Grammarly does more than English but there's probably going to be a local board missed out with this too (and Boards like Scandinavia having 3-6+ different languages - just an example, not sure how active that board is).

Campaign managers can shove users posts into grammarly too. Realistically, grammarly hates my grammar and I'm a native English speaker so I could imagine they'd have a hard time trying to do it and probably wouldn't get something very constructive/useful.


Also grammarly itself would probably charge for this unless there's an open source version.

[BITCOIN4X]

I'm not a native English speaker, I just try my best to write so that whoever reads it understands what I'm trying to convey. The OP's idea might be a good one to have a good standard of language on the forum, but it would certainly cost a forum a lot when only 10% of its members are native English speakers. I can't imagine how I should reach the 70% threshold when posting in English. Of course it would be annoying if such a feature was introduced in the forum. I would totally agree if anyone can't post English properly then local board is the best place for them.

Although the OP's idea would be very useful, but I didn't hope to be introduced by the admin. Just report the shitpost if that user can't post well in English.

[Daniel91]

I don't agree with the idea of preventing members from writing on the forum due to poor English.
We are an international forum with members from all over the world.
It's completely natural that English is not the primary language of communication for a large number of members of this forum.
Clearly, someone speaks English better and someone writes with a lot of grammatical errors.
On the other hand, all members of this forum have equal rights and one of them is that they can freely express their opinion on different topics.
By introducing a new rule that members who do not know good English are not allowed to write in the English part of the forum would actually divide all members of this forum into two categories, suitable and unsuitable, and that is by no means a good idea.
Also, the question is how this rule would be actively enforced and who would have the time and knowledge to review thousands of new posts every day and decide which post is written in good English and which is not.
Personally, I think that this rule should not be introduced and that anyone who wants to, should be given the freedom to write on this forum, even if there are problems with English grammar.
In fact, I don’t think we’ve had any serious issues so far with posts written in bad English.

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

[GUIDE] Making Quality Thread + Grammar Check.

Grammarly is helpful to check and suggest correction your grammar, vocabulary. Shitposters are not too bad and their language are understandable enough. Quality of their posts is very low, unacceptable because they don't put efforts in. It's not about grammar.

[PrimeNumber7]

Some kind of spell check like tool with a score..
If your writing doesn’t score a 70% or whatever, it won’t let you post..

Grammarly does offer an API that the forum could feed raw text into to evaluate its score.

In addition to concerns about not needing to speak perfect English that others have mentioned, enforcing this type of rule would effectively give Grammarly veto power over what people can post.

There are also certain circumstances in which people write that are generally accepted as being "correct" on the forum, but may be "read" as incorrect by Grammarly. One example of this may be when someone is describing the amount of their bitcoin -- they may say "...all of my bitcoin..." while Grammarly may want the word "bitcoin" to be plural.

[Hispo]

On one hand, it would be nice to have more posts/participations which are grammatically correct here on the forum.
However, we should also consider that the policy concerning the language on the forum may also imply social and economical factors for some of its users.

I assume in some countries knowing English is a privilege for those with access to a relatively high education, so in my humble opinion the fact that those users from said countries try to have a relatively understandable english in order to participate out their local sections is a example of willingness to integrate with all of us.

Perhaps, measures that targeted specifically spammers and account farmers would be better?

[uchegod-21]

Could also help users LEARN English better/faster by forcing them to put effort into correcting their writing.

Remember that the purpose of this group is not to learn English and be pro in it. There are millions of people in this group who do not understand English and they are fine in this group. That is why I appreciate the existence of local boards.

I know how it feels if you are a native speaker of English and see how others murder the language. But if I were an English guy and see people struggling to make simple sentences, I will be happy and helpful to them, because it's not easy to learn a new language.

In as much as communication can flow, English grammar is not the most important thing. Then, anyone can develop personally without being coerced to do so.
I remember when I started here, my English was not good and yet was not so bad. I made a post and I was told to download and use grammaly. I took it upon myself and did so. I used grammaly for majority of my works in this forum. But today I can type, vet and post without grammaly.

[Scripture]

Is the grammar important or it's ok if its not Grammarly correct as long as you deliver the message and the readers understand it?

I know this is a good suggestion but I can't imagine how much work for this one especially on creating this kind of tools here on the forum. If you are not confident about your English, you can always google to correct your grammar and I think this can work only if the user are willing to do it first before posting here in the forum.

English is not the main language of many, let's appreciate those who are posting quality messages despite of the language barriers.

[suchmoon]

I think the biggest issue in this the forum may be not posts with poor grammar or syntax, but posts that are grammatically correct however devoid of any meaning or purpose.

Just a random post from Bitcoin Discussion:

You are asking how safe is it to invest in crypto currency? You should know that before you venture into anything you have to do a little research on it. Now to your question, it is advised that you invest what you know you can afford to loose and secondly you should as well know that crypto market is volatile. Currently it's bear market and as a smart Crypto investor, you should know what to do.

This doesn't have any major grammar or syntax issues, no more than e.g. the OP of this thread. However it's a useless shitpost. It doesn't say anything useful or interesting or anything that hasn't already been said earlier in the 10+ pages of that thread, or many other threads. It was typed (or copied from a translation tool or whatever) by someone who has zero interest in a discussion. Many threads on many boards devolve to this kinds of nonsense after the first 5-10 pages. In fact many of those threads are useless and repetitive to begin with.

Try reporting it and you'll get a solid "Unhandled". Basically the forum has surrendered to this shit.

I'll take a non-grammarly post that has an actual opinion, information, argument, even trolling over this kind of perfunctory indolent tripe.