Enforce “grammarly ” like score minimum to post..

[Little Mouse]

I don't think language should be a barrier to discuss bitcoin.
What if someone doesn’t want to share their country of origin but also have poor English? In your definition of quality, they will be not allowed to learn/discuss bitcoin because they don't know how to write properly? I have seen a few people with poor English but still having merits. That means people are getting his message, nothing wrong with that.
Also, I don't think theymos will ever put such thing on the site as we know how he thinks about the forum.

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[tranthidung]

I don't think language should be a barrier to discuss bitcoin.

It is not definitely but if a member think his English is bad, let's try to learn English together with learning about Bitcoin. First you need to understand what you read; second you should be able to express your opinion well and easily understandable enough with your writing. No restriction but if you write and others don't understand, it is your own barrier.

What if someone doesn’t want to share their country of origin but also have poor English? In your definition of quality, they will be not allowed to learn/discuss bitcoin because they don't know how to write properly?

Nobody restrict others like this. But each member must self-feel about it and must see a need to improve their language (reading & writing).

I have seen a few people with poor English but still having merits. That means people are getting his message, nothing wrong with that.

It can be either motivation for a new member or merit for fun or merit abuse. It's not a big issue but to be a constructive member, you must be in a same language of others at average level at least.

Learning is endlessly. After you are in intermediate level of writing, you can learn more and improve it with topic sentence, topic title, etc.

• Bitcointalk posting etiquette
• Topic title style guide
• Make your topic title, posts more attractive

[Jet Cash]

Grammerly is American, so it often contains errors and incorrect spelling for those of us who use the mother tongue. Please do not try to enforce a local language over correct English.

[DaveF]

The other issue with spelling and grammar checks is people who post form mobile. I have posted some things form a phone wile on a train. Sometimes they are long well formatted posts. Other times they look like I was drunk posting. And when I go back later I really wonder how I did not catch / fix a bunch of the mistakes before hitting post.

Eliminating that reason however, many times in a technical discussion there is no proper grammar. There would have to be exceptions for posted snips of code. And quotes would have to be ignored. And a way to show that something is math. Log files would have to be ignored and so on.

-Dave

[dkbit98]

Many shitposts I see, I can hardly even believe are created by humans at all..

You won't really improve forum post quality by correcting shitposter grammar mistakes, and I wouldn't force anyone to write only ''correct'' English language.
Most web browsers have built-in basic spell checkers so it should be simple for everyone to notice mistakes as they type if they enable this option.
I have a simple solution for this when I notice some member is making low quality posts multiple times, report to moderator and ignore him if he is doing this all the time.

[Shamm]

70% grammar if this will going to be mandatory or requirements to be a good use of this forum this contains two types of impact, first it will lead to the forum being more fluent in grammar and increasing the high-quality posters.  But in real life, it's hard to fix your post if you did not know the exact word you used or let's say exact grammar. Even if you are using Grammarly it means that there's still a chance that you made a mistake and posted with wrong grammar because we all know that nobody is perfect.

[Welsh]

Not sure I would agree, I don't find the grammar of most users a stumbling block, even when they're spamming, and something like this seems like it would hurt the legitimate users, rather than those that are trying to spam. Plus, I bet Grammarly would disagree with how I phrase, and setup sentences. I'm not the greatest English writer myself, and I'm sure if any of you have met a Welsh person or even a Scottish person, we don't exactly speak the best of English either.

I don't know, most of the spam I deal with isn't because of grammar at all. I assume when you say grammar you mean sort of hard to understand sentences, rather than putting apostrophes, commas, and periods in the right place. If it's the latter, I'd probably disagree entirely.

Ultimately, we're a multinational forum, and therefore varying degrees of English. As long as it's somewhat understandable, I personally don't have a problem at all.

[Findingnemo]

IMHO, this is the forum which is actually meant for interacting with others so grammar doesn't play a big role, a ship post can be created with grammatically correct and no error in spellings so I won't recognize a post without proper grammar as a good post, as we need is we can understand the context of the post and discuss further so that is what actually it should be.

[icopress]

It is good to make proposals like this and I have made some myself but I guess we are aware that theymos is not very given to changing things on the forum.

The root of the problem is that any changes in the current version of the forum will entail the addition of edits in the new software.

That's why we don't see any innovations.

[Welsh]

The root of the problem is that any changes in the current version of the forum will entail the addition of edits in the new software.

That's why we don't see any innovations.

Also, whenever you add software to a existing code set, which you hadn't coded, therefore scalability might have not been considered at the time of coding it, things can get a little tricky. Since, even basic implementations end up breaking unexpected things.

Although, we've definitely seen quite a lot of newly added features over the years, and they're usually carefully thought out, and well implemented. I'd prefer that, over a slap job of just putting any, and all ideas that come to mind into the software.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

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Its indeed a good idea but like everyone else have said here, this is not needed for several reasons, and one of those is that this kind of feature will create a big divide on the forum, those who are not really good with English will see this feature as a discrimination against them rather than a way of learning.
And also do not forget that we have the local boards, where users post in their local languages, will the algorithm be able to detect when a user is posting in their local board so as to automatically turn off the grammar enforcer so as to allow the user post without hindrances?
This and many more reasons are the reason why I also think this is not needed.

[Pmalek]

Some kind of spell check like tool with a score..

No.

If your writing doesn’t score a 70% or whatever, it won’t let you post..

No

Could also help users LEARN English better/faster by forcing them to put effort into correcting their writing.

I don't think the approach should be to force people to do something the way I or we like it. I put a lot of effort into my posting. I am concerned about the grammar and spell-check everything. But if the person next to me doesn't want to do that or even wants to sound like an illiterate idiot, that's their call. 

Would put a good dent in rapid posting shitposters too.. Almost even like a bot filter..

It would stop the average shitposter, but then again, the admins can stop them as well and not give them 100 attempts to better themselves. However, the forum doesn't want to be that restrictive. 

Imagine if all the spam on this forum suddenly had to meet a grammar score standard, lmao..
It could possibly be revolutionary in posting quality improvement..

It might also prevent legit users who are terrible in English from posting and I wouldn't want that. I don't think we should measure someone's knowledge and interest in Bitcoin with how well they can write in English.

[virasog]

Some kind of spell check like tool with a score..
If your writing doesn’t score a 70% or whatever, it won’t let you post..

It is a good suggestion but the problem is that you can't enforce this on this forum because this is not an academic forum. There are people who just come to post their services or projects and we can't just ask them to first pass an English test. They already have to buy a copper membership to eliminate the limitation of newbies and now we cannot just put another hurdle in their way.

Try reporting it and you'll get a solid "Unhandled". Basically the forum has surrendered to this shit.

Doesn't unhandled means that mods have not seen it yet and it will be handled shortly. But yeah i have these 5 unhandled for a long time now  

[Pmalek]

Doesn't unhandled means that mods have not seen it yet and it will be handled shortly. But yeah i have these 5 unhandled for a long time now  

It does at the moment when you make the report. As soon as you report a post to the mods, it's status is unhandled. But if the post remains as unhandled for days, weeks, and several months, the admins have seen it but don't agree with your report to delete the post. Consider your long standing unhandled reports as being partially bad. If they were good, the mods would have acted on them.

[virasog]

Doesn't unhandled means that mods have not seen it yet and it will be handled shortly. But yeah i have these 5 unhandled for a long time now  

It does at the moment when you make the report. As soon as you report a post to the mods, it's status is unhandled. But if the post remains as unhandled for days, weeks, and several months, the admins have seen it but don't agree with your report to delete the post. Consider your long standing unhandled reports as being partially bad. If they were good, the mods would have acted on them.

So if the mods have seen the report and don't agree with me, why not make them classified as bad reports (I have 2 bad reports as well).

The above explanation will now make a confusion between a bad report and a unhandled report 

[Lucius]

So if the mods have seen the report and don't agree with me, why not make them classified as bad reports (I have 2 bad reports as well).
The above explanation will now make a confusion between a bad report and a unhandled report 

The explanation why some reports remain unhandled can be found on the following link :

Reports start out unhandled, and are then either marked good, marked bad, or no moderator ever handles them and they stay unhandled. When a report stays unhandled, this does not mean that no moderators were available to look at it; rather, it means that several moderators looked at it, but none of them was sure whether it should be acted upon or not. A report that stays unhandled can be thought of as "soft-bad", since no moderator positively thought that it warranted action.

This means that some of the unhandled reports can actually be considered as something that does not exist in official statistics, and could be classified as soft-bad. I suggest that you don't worry too much about these questions, because realistically you can't change anything.

[Jatiluhung]

your advice is very good. But for me if this forum is complicated with things like good and correct grammar. so I think this forum is not suitable if you have to use rules that require members to always use good and correct grammar. because considering the members in this forum from various parts of the world or from various countries, with different cultures and languages. they all want to continue to contribute even with all their limitations in good and correct language. at least they have tried to convey. related to grammar which is still far from literary and grammatical rules, then this is not a problem. The important thing is that we all can understand the meaning of what is written and the purpose of writing.

but the rule that recommends using good and correct grammar so that it is easy to understand is acceptable. but do not make it mandatory or mandatory rules. because it will only make this forum a place of rigid and monotonous discussion.

I myself work as a writer in real life. but I in this forum often use free and informal language. because the discussion forum prioritizes the content of the topics discussed and the delivery in order to understand each other between those in discussion. unless this is a formal formal forum such as containing serious discussions related to education and government. then that's understandable. but this forum is a discussion forum that is free of expression with certain limitations. So far I'm comfortable in this forum even though I haven't joined for a long time. because the rules are friendly. but if the rules are complicated like a formal forum then i think i will give up and leave.

[KingsDen]

It is correct to say that posts with good and correct English grammar attracts attention and always good to read and contribute. Apart from good English grammar, there are other things such as cohesiveness of the post. That is the relationship between the tittle, the introduction, the body and conclusion of the post.

Notwithstanding, this is not an English forum for learning English grammar. In as much as your post can be understood and it carries some weight, you are good to go. Grammar and others are just added advantage and not  prerequisites.

[NotATether]

That is really down to whether Theymos will code in a PHP grammar library in the part of the SMF area for submitting posts.

I can already see classification problems that will arise from this. Software commands, types of hardware, companies etc. might degrade the score as a grammar checker can already recognize those as words, and its not like Grammarly has a PHP integration library.

[Smartvirus]

Notwithstanding, this is not an English forum for learning English grammar. In as much as your post can be understood and it carries some weight, you are good to go. Grammar and others are just added advantage and not  prerequisites.

My point exactly. It's a bitcoin discussion forum and the use of English in boards tha arebt pertaining to a particular local boards are just an addition to generally accepted mode of communication in most of our world. Not so many are fluent in English not to talk of writing or being grammatically constructive. You've got to pardon to pardon the non English natives for not being up to standard and might be abusing your spoken language. It's jus the way It is when your a foreign national learning a different language other than  your own.

Most foreign nationals to English language uses the help of transalators just to contribute on the forum and you could agree with me that they are doing their utmost. The best that could be done is to correct or report to moderators should the post be a shitty or spam post.