Is one forum rule needed?

[NeuroticFish]

There's quite some drama in Reputation board about things happening in the German forum, I don't want to get the same drama here.
While the question comes from there, it's actually generic.

If an user threatens another user (especially a rather new account) with getting him banned... is that OK? Or, better asked, should we do anything about it? (report or anything). Is a new (unofficial) rule needed?



Of course, it's a fake threatening since he has no power to do anything, but it can silence or disappoint new users coming to this forum.
Or I'm worried for nothing, since it's a situation that doesn't happen often and it's usually related to political (to say so) views, not technical, so not a big deal?

[Charles-Tim]

Not a big deal in my opinion as the user threatened did not violate any of the forum rules, they have nothing to worry about.

[PX-Z]

If an user threatens another user (especially a rather new account) with getting him banned... is that OK? Or, better asked, should we do anything about it? (report or anything). Is a new (unofficial) rule needed?

I didn't visit or read the reputation thread you're referring. But if it's a death threat or something to harm someone physically then it's against the rules is subject for banning like others who violates the rules.

[LoyceV]

If an user threatens another user ~ with getting him banned... is that OK?

I'll tell you what: if you post plagiarism, I'll get you banned!

The above is of course just an example and not a "threat". You could even consider it a warning.

(especially a rather new account)
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it can silence or disappoint new users coming to this forum

This is a much bigger problem: Bitcointalk in general is very unfriendly to Newbies! It was already like that when I joined, and in the first years I was afraid to get a red tag for some unimportant tiny mistake.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Why should we believe and listen to the threats of every jerk who threatens to do something against another user?

Here on the forum, no one knows anyone. Why be afraid of simple letters and not a person? Because the one who threatens is just letters on a screen. The rudeness that some users show only suggests that most likely in life these people are deeply unhappy, and they are trying to somehow make up for the humiliation from others offline, here on the forum.

If users know each other in real life, then for sure they will take their relationship offline.

[Lucius]

This is a much bigger problem: Bitcointalk in general is very unfriendly to Newbies! It was already like that when I joined, and in the first years I was afraid to get a red tag for some unimportant tiny mistake.

The problem is not in the forum and most of its users, but in the fact that there are certain users who are very easy on the feedback trigger, they have been doing it for years and no one can do anything to them, and they are in the DT system. Therefore, I would not agree that the forum is generally unfriendly to beginners, in most cases they are their own worst enemies because they behave irresponsibly, do not read the rules and try to progress easily using plagiarism.

If an user threatens another user (especially a rather new account) with getting him banned... is that OK? Or, better asked, should we do anything about it? (report or anything). Is a new (unofficial) rule needed?

Since we know these are empty threats, new users need to be explained that banning is not something anyone can do, and then these bullies need to be left with neutral feedback. Anything more than that is not worth any drama and time.

[Despairo]

The thread isn't a dead threat and not worth to discuss, it should be moved to off topic and I already report the thread, not sure with moderators decision.

This is a much bigger problem: Bitcointalk in general is very unfriendly to Newbies! It was already like that when I joined, and in the first years I was afraid to get a red tag for some unimportant tiny mistake.

How you can think Bitcointalk isn't friendly to newbies since they only need to avoid plagiarism alone, the other rules isn't strict enough and would make you get banned. In school or university, we have been taught to not do plagiarism in anything of our home work and exam, so we have a mindset to not plagiarism on everywhere. For the red tag, I don't know how strict the DT members is, but I tend to agree it's stricter than now since they got red tagged due to spam and merit abuse.

[LoyceV]

The problem is not in the forum and most of its users, but in the fact that there are certain users who are very easy on the feedback trigger, they have been doing it for years and no one can do anything to them, and they are in the DT system.

When I said "the forum", I meant it's users. And indeed, it's not all of them, but there's enough red tagging going around to scare Newbies. I like to ask myself: "does my red tag make the forum a better place?", and if not, I shouldn't tag the user.

[aysg76]

There are many things going on and if we seek it as bitcoin and crypto market discussion forum then it's in the best interest of all but some take it on other matters threatening each other which is wrong.But I understand your point here that new members could not express their thoughts clearly under these cases.

But we can't ban these accounts and the best option according to me is push that ignore button for the member from whomsoever we have the problem and then keep posting your way.

The new members need to understand that this is open discussion forum and you need not to worry about anything keeping in mind you follow the rules and there could be different opinions on the same matter so if you face similar situations just avoid them and treat it as discussion forum only.

This is a much bigger problem: Bitcointalk in general is very unfriendly to Newbies! It was already like that when I joined, and in the first years I was afraid to get a red tag for some unimportant tiny mistake.

There are some members who are rude towards the low ranking members and have unethical behaviour towards them which we all have faced at some point but you can tackle them with growing on the forum and enhancing your knowledge to give them reply.

[_BlackStar]

If an user threatens another user (especially a rather new account) with getting him banned... is that OK? Or, better asked, should we do anything about it? (report or anything). Is a new (unofficial) rule needed?

This threat is verbal but in certain cases it must be prohibited especially when it involves physical threats or death threats as stated in rule no.8 ^{[No threats to injure the body, death threats].} If the threats fall into the 2 categories above, I think the ban is a consequence that can be taken.

Whereas we must grow thick skin in order to appear more immune to verbal threats from those who may not like or hate us. Those threats are bullshit and I think the best option is to ignore them, but if neutral tags are allowed then I also think it's a good choice.

Why should we believe and listen to the threats of every jerk who threatens to do something against another user?

Here on the forum, no one knows anyone. Why be afraid of simple letters and not a person? Because the one who threatens is just letters on a screen. The rudeness that some users show only suggests that most likely in life these people are deeply unhappy, and they are trying to somehow make up for the humiliation from others offline, here on the forum.

If users know each other in real life, then for sure they will take their relationship offline.

I think one of the users who often get the worst threats and prayers from cheaters is the cheaters-hunter, it's an expression of disappointment that should be ignored more than it really is. So we really had to ignore it.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

If an user threatens another user (especially a rather new account) with getting him banned... is that OK? Or, better asked, should we do anything about it? (report or anything). Is a new (unofficial) rule needed?

No threat considers ban-able or punishable unless it's a death threat. The forum or specifically the community is against it. It is a serious offense too. But I do not believe anyone who really is planning to kill someone is going to tell it in a forum.

It's freedom of speech, let them practice it. The German board is divided into two sides. They will cool down at some point.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I think one of the users who often get the worst threats and prayers from cheaters is the cheaters-hunter, it's an expression of disappointment that should be ignored more than it really is. So we really had to ignore it.

Most likely, the question was not related to cheating, because no one would pay attention to threats from cheaters. This is an empty phrase that ends with the registration of a new account.
One tip for those who are afraid of all sorts of threats on the forum is just to be careful on the Internet. The less you say about yourself, the harder it is to get to you. There should be no friends or buddies here, especially when you have no idea who is sitting at the other monitor.

[1miau]

I'm from the German section and can confirm that the recent clown show has happened where a Newbie was indeed threatened in our local board (the topic can be seen in Reputation but it's somehow a shitshow  )
Thanks for NeuroticFish for bringing it up here.

In my opinion, there are 2 solutions:

1. Add it to the rules and enforce it, that such posts will be deleted.

2. Basically, what Lucius suggested:

If an user threatens another user (especially a rather new account) with getting him banned... is that OK? Or, better asked, should we do anything about it? (report or anything). Is a new (unofficial) rule needed?

Since we know these are empty threats, new users need to be explained that banning is not something anyone can do, and then these bullies need to be left with neutral feedback. Anything more than that is not worth any drama and time.

I agree here.
Leave a neutral feedback to the offender and discourage his behaviour by addressing his misbehaviour. That should be sufficient to protect Newbies, make them feel safe and send a cleaer message to the offener. In addition we can distrust (~) the offender.
Could be added as a DT Standard because without Newbies, its getting difficult and there's just no benefit, when (contributing) Newbies are scared away.
That solution would be easy and without creating much trouble while still sending a clear message. 

[YOSHIE]

If an user threatens another user (especially a rather new account) with getting him banned... is that OK? Or, better asked, should we do anything about it? (report or anything). Is a new (unofficial) rule needed?

If it's not a "death or harm" threat I don't think Admin cares either, I saw the drama on Reputation it was about @Unknown01 and @Kamix.

Luckily @TMAN is currently inactive, I remember something @TMAN said.

So enough of this shit cunt snidey used tampon behavior you cuntwaffle.  be a man, stand up - I don't like you and you don't like me but I am not utilising my powers for ill like you. fucking idiot, keep this up and I will be forced to tag you for this untrustworthy behavior, using your mod privalages for your own personal vendetta is not cool and I am sure Theymos will look down on your behavior.

now admit you were wrong and we can all move on, if not we will war.. .yes TMAN will ravage you like I ravaged your mothers anus.

Whether, that's a threat, who cares, @TMAN, maybe if @Kamix saw what @TMAN said, he'd know that's the reality of the people on this forum, the distinguishing character.

I think the word 'ban' is not a threat, but it's a bit harsh for beginners, maybe @Kamix is ​​not familiar with this forum, later he will understand which is serious and which is threatening.

[DVlog]

It's not something new for me. One member from my local board threatens me in my telegram account by saying he will ruin my reputation on social media by finding all of my details. He was angry because he got a red trust and he was accusing me of responsibility for it.

If your social media profile is not linked up with your BTT account then I do not think there is any way someone could find your details to do anything illegal. This forum is being managed in a decentralized manner there is very little these types of people can do to you and your reputation.

[NeuroticFish]

Thank you all for the answers.

While some were misled and kinda insisting on (unrelated) body harm, I've got some very thoughtful answers too.


LoyceV is right and nuances are important and sometimes the language barrier can make them even more confusing.
LoyceV is also right that the newbies have to kind of pass the "test of fire" here (and most do) and Lucius pointed it out very good: explaining them when it's the case should suffice.
And the conclusion is from BitcoinGirl.Club: whether we like it or not, all this is part of the freedom of speech. Any added rule can harm that. So.. we're good as we are.


Thanks again. I will lock the topic since imho it has achieved its goal.