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July 19, 2022, 07:49:41 PM
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Chess is by far the game more books have been written about through all history, so even if it is nowhere near as popular as many other hobbies and games we see today the fact that chess has been around for thousands of years in several different forms should speak about its staying power and how popular it has been through the ages, and not only that chess is a game that improves memory, deduction and logical thinking so unlike other games chess is in fact good for you and it even offers health benefits like the delaying of degenerative mental diseases.
this is the game of strategy - the mind and the moves. I was very much fasinated  by chess game when I was young. So we gathered money and we brought ourselves a chess board. One of my cousins taught us how to play it. It was fun - we use to play it all the time.
Miss those days.

did you stop playing?

a bit off topic but related somehow:
I find it really interesting that there are chess boards of all kinds of prices
from normal popular ones to high-end special ones.
not sure if we have this in so many other markets, watches comes to my mind

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July 19, 2022, 07:56:13 PM
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The chances that Carlsen will defend his title are close to zero. He wants a radical change in the format of the championship match, otherwise he will give up the title. Given the fact that all changes are made at the beginning of the cycle, the chances that changes will be adopted now are almost zero. This means that Yang Nepomniachtchi and Ding Liren will meet in the championship match.
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July 20, 2022, 05:14:12 PM
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yes, maybe Carlsen level is so much higher than other players that he doesn't want to spend so much time to prepare for a world championship again since it takes a long time and a lot of effort

what do you all think?

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July 20, 2022, 05:24:56 PM
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yes, maybe Carlsen level is so much higher than other players that he doesn't want to spend so much time to prepare for a world championship again since it takes a long time and a lot of effort

what do you all think?

With the recent announcement that Magnus Carlsen will not participate in this year's candidates tournament, I think I somehow respect his decision. According to Magnus, here is what he mentioned:

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I have informed my team, FIDE and Jan that I will not play the upcoming World Cup match in long chess, says Carlsen and adds that "I am not motivated to play another World Cup match".

I do think that Magnus does not have to prove to anyone anymore. Everyone knows that he is indeed, the best living chess player that everyone has seen. The fact that he will be facing Nepo once again this candidates just gave him no motivation at all. Remember that the preparation that these GMs undergo is seemingly impossible to imagine, with all the stress and memory that they have to master.
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July 20, 2022, 05:57:55 PM
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yes, maybe Carlsen level is so much higher than other players that he doesn't want to spend so much time to prepare for a world championship again since it takes a long time and a lot of effort

what do you all think?
I don't think that's really the case. It just takes a lot of preparation to play for the World cup and as he said, he isnt motivated enough to go though the whole ordeal again. He has been undisputed world champion since 2013 and probably lost motivation to keep it going now as he has nothing left to prove. He is going to stay the highest rated player by the year end again anyways.

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July 20, 2022, 07:11:02 PM
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yes, maybe Carlsen level is so much higher than other players that he doesn't want to spend so much time to prepare for a world championship again since it takes a long time and a lot of effort

what do you all think?

Yes, it looks like it is. Now that he finally refused to defend the title, citing the fact that he has no motivation to waste energy on something that does not interest him. I don’t know if this is good or bad, but now we will see a new champion, and if Magnus takes a break from the heavy burden of the championship, he will have a chance to return in the next cycle. But will he be able to do it, given that now he is more and more interested in poker and (presumably) other things not related to chess.

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July 20, 2022, 07:20:08 PM
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Carlsen is someone who likes to play as much as possible. I don't think it's a problem for him if he takes part in an open tournament, just like you have in tennis and football. He wants to beat as many players as possible and then become world champion. I think it's being held back more by the world chess federation FIDE. It will then have to adjust all kinds of regulations and then a lot of things have to be changed. I just don't know which players are against it. But in principle you have a much better chance of reaching the final because then 2 players continue instead of 1.

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July 20, 2022, 09:35:28 PM
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Yes, it looks like it is. Now that he finally refused to defend the title, citing the fact that he has no motivation to waste energy on something that does not interest him. I don’t know if this is good or bad, but now we will see a new champion, and if Magnus takes a break from the heavy burden of the championship, he will have a chance to return in the next cycle. But will he be able to do it, given that now he is more and more interested in poker and (presumably) other things not related to chess.

It is too bad that Carlsen will not defend his title but as others have stated, he has nothing to prove anymore. I don't think he will focus less on chess as he still got some goals left such as reaching the magical 2900 elo number. Maybe in a couple of years, he will become interested again in the world championship also ...



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July 21, 2022, 07:41:42 PM
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Magnus Carlsen seems to have completely lost motivation. The format of the tournament doesn't really matter to him at all. He has indicated that he wants to play against Firjouza, but he will then have to qualify for the game against Carlsen. I don't think that FIDE will now organize a world championship game between Carlsen and Firjouzja, then there would be a lot of discontent and anger among other players who also have a chance of a game against Carlsen. But giving the title to the challenger is not something you just do and it is also not good for the sport. It is difficult to solve this dilemma.

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July 21, 2022, 07:55:35 PM
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did you stop playing?

a bit off topic but related somehow:
I find it really interesting that there are chess boards of all kinds of prices
from normal popular ones to high-end special ones.
not sure if we have this in so many other markets, watches comes to my mind
Mostly people like Blitz these days and they hardly buy board and go for the online gaming partner.
We all are now phone addicted - don't know what will happen in coming day- but it seems like a serious trouble on our way!

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July 22, 2022, 04:19:34 AM
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maybe it wasn't that much, but would be nice to look at the data

it was the series that really motivated me to learn more about chess theory and technique and to play more often
same thing for some of my friends

but would love to check online chess websites number of users over time to try to see if there are any correlations
I have learnt a very important lesson from Queen Gambit. And that is you fight your own battle be it your personal life, professional life.
And money is crazy thing - it makes relationship stones hearted and you lose them when you lose money.

Not a bad idea to separate friends from money  Roll Eyes

the series has some details about money and all but imo is not really about it
way more about the main character fight over herself and improvement trajectory
Actually yes, I think that on a personal level one thing is what we live and the other is very different from the way of playing and being able to solve things within a board, just as she thought in the series, she believed that he was in control and that he saw all the moves and it really isn't like that, there are many variants that only other minds see and with more capacity, that doesn't mean they are more intelligent or something similar, but rather the level of training of those players is so immense that they are capable of having such a vision, I have played since I was a child and since I was a child I saw a lot of plays, but then I got very tired, and it was really a great effort.

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July 22, 2022, 02:40:13 PM
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did you stop playing?

a bit off topic but related somehow:
I find it really interesting that there are chess boards of all kinds of prices
from normal popular ones to high-end special ones.
not sure if we have this in so many other markets, watches comes to my mind
Mostly people like Blitz these days and they hardly buy board and go for the online gaming partner.
We all are now phone addicted - don't know what will happen in coming day- but it seems like a serious trouble on our way!

that's true, and fast games are way more addicting
a week ago I decided to play more 10+0 games than 5+0 games for a while
trying to take a break for a couple days as well

as much as I love chess playing online can be really addicting, but the mmr system makes you stay in the flow,always playing with someone who's your level

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It's also starting to get a bit boring for Carlsen, to be honest. He no longer has the motivation to recharge and go full for the world title. He has been world champion many times and if you take the rating list, he is also ahead of a cartload of points. His only motivation seems to be to break through the magical 2900 barrier once, apart from that he has already won everything there is to win. Firouzja is seen as the new world champion, but as long as Carlsen plays chess it will be difficult. That boy is already 2nd or 3rd in the world rankings. And he's 20 I think.

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July 24, 2022, 09:14:36 PM
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It's also starting to get a bit boring for Carlsen, to be honest. He no longer has the motivation to recharge and go full for the world title. He has been world champion many times and if you take the rating list, he is also ahead of a cartload of points. His only motivation seems to be to break through the magical 2900 barrier once, apart from that he has already won everything there is to win. Firouzja is seen as the new world champion, but as long as Carlsen plays chess it will be difficult. That boy is already 2nd or 3rd in the world rankings. And he's 20 I think.

I understand how boring it is for Carlsen, he really doesn't have enough opponents to remain committed to keeping the title of world champion.
It would be a shame to see him give up and give the title to any other player at a lower level.

Unlike other sports, chess does not have a lot of diversity in the way it is played other than changes in the use of the watch, which could create new challenges for Carlsen to challenge himself.

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July 24, 2022, 11:22:07 PM
Last edit: July 25, 2022, 01:56:34 AM by Cryptock
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It's also starting to get a bit boring for Carlsen, to be honest. He no longer has the motivation to recharge and go full for the world title. He has been world champion many times and if you take the rating list, he is also ahead of a cartload of points. His only motivation seems to be to break through the magical 2900 barrier once, apart from that he has already won everything there is to win. Firouzja is seen as the new world champion, but as long as Carlsen plays chess it will be difficult. That boy is already 2nd or 3rd in the world rankings. And he's 20 I think.

I understand how boring it is for Carlsen, he really doesn't have enough opponents to remain committed to keeping the title of world champion.
It would be a shame to see him give up and give the title to any other player at a lower level.

Unlike other sports, chess does not have a lot of diversity in the way it is played other than changes in the use of the watch, which could create new challenges for Carlsen to challenge himself.
I agree sometime the chess becomes very boring  game to watch - that is one of the reasons people are not much interested in watching a still game
On the other hand they like football, soccer or rugby or basketball which is more thrilling and helps in adrenaline gush

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July 24, 2022, 11:49:50 PM
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It's also starting to get a bit boring for Carlsen, to be honest. He no longer has the motivation to recharge and go full for the world title. He has been world champion many times and if you take the rating list, he is also ahead of a cartload of points. His only motivation seems to be to break through the magical 2900 barrier once, apart from that he has already won everything there is to win. Firouzja is seen as the new world champion, but as long as Carlsen plays chess it will be difficult. That boy is already 2nd or 3rd in the world rankings. And he's 20 I think.

I understand how boring it is for Carlsen, he really doesn't have enough opponents to remain committed to keeping the title of world champion.
It would be a shame to see him give up and give the title to any other player at a lower level.

Unlike other sports, chess does not have a lot of diversity in the way it is played other than changes in the use of the watch, which could create new challenges for Carlsen to challenge himself.

He is only seeing Firouzja to be the only opponent who would make him join again the Championship match.
But according to below article, he won't be defending his title in 2023.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/world-champion-chess-player-says-he-wont-defend-title

But he will still play in tournaments but won't play in championships.
Maybe, he deserves a break and wants to just enjoy the game without much pressure.
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He is only seeing Firouzja to be the only opponent who would make him join again the Championship match.
But according to below article, he won't be defending his title in 2023.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/world-champion-chess-player-says-he-wont-defend-title

But he will still play in tournaments but won't play in championships.
Maybe, he deserves a break and wants to just enjoy the game without much pressure.

Has anyone has watched "Queen Gambit" this is a beautiful Netflix series on the chess and shows how the person has gone from zero to hero and this needs dedication- strong will and hard work.
A must watch if you are chess lover.

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It's also starting to get a bit boring for Carlsen, to be honest. He no longer has the motivation to recharge and go full for the world title. He has been world champion many times and if you take the rating list, he is also ahead of a cartload of points. His only motivation seems to be to break through the magical 2900 barrier once, apart from that he has already won everything there is to win. Firouzja is seen as the new world champion, but as long as Carlsen plays chess it will be difficult. That boy is already 2nd or 3rd in the world rankings. And he's 20 I think.

I understand how boring it is for Carlsen, he really doesn't have enough opponents to remain committed to keeping the title of world champion.
It would be a shame to see him give up and give the title to any other player at a lower level.

Unlike other sports, chess does not have a lot of diversity in the way it is played other than changes in the use of the watch, which could create new challenges for Carlsen to challenge himself.
What is happening to Carlsen is something very common, many people need a rival to push them forward so they can reach their maximum potential, on tennis we had Federer vs Nadal, on the NFL we had Brady vs Manning and even on the game of chess the rivalry between Kasparov vs Karpov was legendary, Carlsen lacks that, he is so ahead the rest he does not see the point anymore and it is because of this his motivation is lacking.
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Has anyone has watched "Queen Gambit" this is a beautiful Netflix series on the chess and shows how the person has gone from zero to hero and this needs dedication- strong will and hard work.
A must watch if you are chess lover.

yes, we talked a lot about how good Queen's Gambit is on the last post, before moving to this one
it's a great series



It's also starting to get a bit boring for Carlsen, to be honest. He no longer has the motivation to recharge and go full for the world title. He has been world champion many times and if you take the rating list, he is also ahead of a cartload of points. His only motivation seems to be to break through the magical 2900 barrier once, apart from that he has already won everything there is to win. Firouzja is seen as the new world champion, but as long as Carlsen plays chess it will be difficult. That boy is already 2nd or 3rd in the world rankings. And he's 20 I think.

Magnus is 31 years old
he was born in 1990
went to look because I was curious about it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Carlsen

a lot of information on his wikipedia page
the guy is a monster, he's been playing for decades now
he's built different.

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Carlsen was very good at a young age. I can still remember that when he was 13 years old (something like that) he played a game against Kasparov in the world championship. He almost won the first match against Kasparov, who eventually ended in a draw. In the 2nd match, Kasparov won and advanced to the next round. Carlsen's comment "I played in the 2nd game as a kid" was appreciated by journalists because of his age Grin

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