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did you stop playing?
a bit off topic but related somehow: I find it really interesting that there are chess boards of all kinds of prices from normal popular ones to high-end special ones. not sure if we have this in so many other markets, watches comes to my mind
Mostly people like Blitz these days and they hardly buy board and go for the online gaming partner. We all are now phone addicted - don't know what will happen in coming day- but it seems like a serious trouble on our way! that's true, and fast games are way more addicting a week ago I decided to play more 10+0 games than 5+0 games for a while trying to take a break for a couple days as well as much as I love chess playing online can be really addicting, but the mmr system makes you stay in the flow,always playing with someone who's your level I haven't really played chess from my smartphone, but it would be interesting, regarding the blitz they are right, although I really like the ones that are 3 minutes long, but if you want to feel the real adrenaline there is no way to put it in 1 minute In the end, at least for me, I make moves that don't even have any logic, just so that time doesn't run out, of course when they are calculating my rank, that tends to distract even the most experienced, because sometimes they tend to think that moves that don't they have a lot of logic there is genius in them, many times in chess we can run into that type of moves, like the sacrifice of a queen or rook, that always makes our opponent think. I usually prefer playing on my phone than on the computer because I can see the whole board better but you are right, fast games are tricky and sometimes the winner is not even the best player, but the fastest one, sometimes the user is losing and starts to move any piece but really fast just to get time to on 1 minute games.
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I think the same, on the NFL we have also seen a period of unprecedented dominance with Tom Brady and he has stated that he will retire when he does not feel like going through the grind of preparing for the next season, Carlsen despite probably being one of the most gifted chess players ever is right now not willing to go through that kind of grind, now there could be many reasons for this, but the fact is he is tired of defending his title for now and if that is the case then he will be nowhere near his top game, and in that case it makes more sense to allow someone else to take his place on the world championship.
However this is not completely bad news, in boxing there is the concept of lineal champion, with Carlsen out for the time being whoever wins will have his legitimacy questioned as he did not beat Carlsen, this will raise controversy and eventually once Carlsen comes back and he is serious about chess again we will have a match between whoever is the current champion at the time and Carlsen, which in my opinion will be very interesting.
I agree that the return of Magnus will be very interesting (especially if he can keep his strength, which seems doubtful to me). As for the new champion being "doubtful" that's not entirely true. If you look at the history of chess, it almost all consists of the fact that, for example, the current champion could run away from a stronger challenger for years (under various pretexts), while he remained the champion. It was even quite recently when Kramnik beat Kasparov (by the way, illegally) and then ran away from the rematch. But now all these processes are established and the competitions are held fairly, so any new champion will be completely fair and legal. Whoever becomes the next champion will be legitimate, however the concept of a lineal championship in boxing is extremely simple “you have to beat the man to become the man”, now if Carlsen was retiring for good or he died while being the champion, which is what happened to Alekhine, then no one will have any questions about the next champion being the best player, but most likely Carlsen will at some point comeback as he is quite young, so people will always wonder what would have happened if Carlsen actually went to the trouble of defending his crown? This will create doubts about the current line of champions, undeservingly so but I think it will surely happen.
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If an old champion has no motivation to defend his title, then he is weak. Like it or not, but the motivation and will to be the best for many years is one of the parameters that determine the strongest players. Carlsen gave up the title and the fight for the vacant seat is interesting by definition. In addition, we can assume that the level of contenders for the title is approximately the same, so we will see a sharp fight and not the dominance of one side, as in previous matches.
I wouldn't call Carlsen weak but it is indeed interesting that he vacated his title. In his mind, he has nothing to prove anymore as he is already a 5 time world champion and one of the greatest chess players of all time. I hope that he can reach the impossible 2900 elo level as that would be some accomplishment! Well, yes it is true, but we also do not know what situations he is going through, even so that will not take away all the mastery with which he plays chess, I would like to one day reach his level, but it would be with training almost 24 hours a day and that It would not be normal, in fact, it would be a great effort and I think that in the situations we are currently experiencing and with all the things that must be done, it is not very profitable, so perhaps he is going through a personal and very particular moment, but I don't think that has to mean that he is weak, I think that even with thousands of problems he will continue to win and be champion.
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If an old champion has no motivation to defend his title, then he is weak. Like it or not, but the motivation and will to be the best for many years is one of the parameters that determine the strongest players. Carlsen gave up the title and the fight for the vacant seat is interesting by definition. In addition, we can assume that the level of contenders for the title is approximately the same, so we will see a sharp fight and not the dominance of one side, as in previous matches.
I wouldn't call Carlsen weak but it is indeed interesting that he vacated his title. In his mind, he has nothing to prove anymore as he is already a 5 time world champion and one of the greatest chess players of all time. I hope that he can reach the impossible 2900 elo level as that would be some accomplishment! Well, yes it is true, but we also do not know what situations he is going through, even so that will not take away all the mastery with which he plays chess, I would like to one day reach his level, but it would be with training almost 24 hours a day and that It would not be normal, in fact, it would be a great effort and I think that in the situations we are currently experiencing and with all the things that must be done, it is not very profitable, so perhaps he is going through a personal and very particular moment, but I don't think that has to mean that he is weak, I think that even with thousands of problems he will continue to win and be champion. Not to burst your bubble or anything, but chess GMs have one thing different from other normal chess players like us- they are genetically born with it. Imagine, Magnus Carlsen at a very young age can calculate lines in his head blindfolded. I remember watching a chess video where Magnus was able to defeat more than 10 players simultaneously blindfolded in an exhibition match. Even if we do train for 24-hours a day, which is seemingly impossible, I really doubt that we will be able to reach the height of these super GMs in the chess field. Like what you also mentioned, Magnus does not have to prove anything to the chess world. He is undoubtedly, the best chess player in history especially in the era of chess engines.
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Not to burst your bubble or anything, but chess GMs have one thing different from other normal chess players like us- they are genetically born with it.
Imagine, Magnus Carlsen at a very young age can calculate lines in his head blindfolded. I remember watching a chess video where Magnus was able to defeat more than 10 players simultaneously blindfolded in an exhibition match. Even if we do train for 24-hours a day, which is seemingly impossible, I really doubt that we will be able to reach the height of these super GMs in the chess field.
Like what you also mentioned, Magnus does not have to prove anything to the chess world. He is undoubtedly, the best chess player in history especially in the era of chess engines.
I agree that some people are simply born different but I also think that anyone can become a GM with enough training and dedication! I've seen GMs that started at an young age and after 10+ years became grand masters so, it's probably possible.
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I agree that some people are simply born different but I also think that anyone can become a GM with enough training and dedication! I've seen GMs that started at an young age and after 10+ years became grand masters so, it's probably possible.
Oh yea it is definitely possible with enough training and dedication! The problem is, your journey would take so much time compared to these natural-talented and hardworking GMs that are just built specifically for chess. As someone who has been playing this game for years, I am proud to say that I only reached a peak rating of 1300. It is so difficult analyzing games and remembering lines due to the sheer amount of information that you have to digest and know at the same time; and oh, don't even mention about endgame techniques as that kind of preparation and mastery is another world to live for.
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If an old champion has no motivation to defend his title, then he is weak. Like it or not, but the motivation and will to be the best for many years is one of the parameters that determine the strongest players. Carlsen gave up the title and the fight for the vacant seat is interesting by definition. In addition, we can assume that the level of contenders for the title is approximately the same, so we will see a sharp fight and not the dominance of one side, as in previous matches.
I wouldn't call Carlsen weak but it is indeed interesting that he vacated his title. In his mind, he has nothing to prove anymore as he is already a 5 time world champion and one of the greatest chess players of all time. I hope that he can reach the impossible 2900 elo level as that would be some accomplishment! Well, yes it is true, but we also do not know what situations he is going through, even so that will not take away all the mastery with which he plays chess, I would like to one day reach his level, but it would be with training almost 24 hours a day and that It would not be normal, in fact, it would be a great effort and I think that in the situations we are currently experiencing and with all the things that must be done, it is not very profitable, so perhaps he is going through a personal and very particular moment, but I don't think that has to mean that he is weak, I think that even with thousands of problems he will continue to win and be champion. Not to burst your bubble or anything, but chess GMs have one thing different from other normal chess players like us- they are genetically born with it. Imagine, Magnus Carlsen at a very young age can calculate lines in his head blindfolded. I remember watching a chess video where Magnus was able to defeat more than 10 players simultaneously blindfolded in an exhibition match. Even if we do train for 24-hours a day, which is seemingly impossible, I really doubt that we will be able to reach the height of these super GMs in the chess field. Like what you also mentioned, Magnus does not have to prove anything to the chess world. He is undoubtedly, the best chess player in history especially in the era of chess engines. This is true. No matter how hard you train to be a Super GM, or to be somewhat near their skill level, you'll still be inferior on what they can do because it is already wired in their brain and is within their genes. A lot of times, those who only strived to be the best can attain Super GM status and can even compete among the gods, but they can't win world championships and will always come in second. Magnus' chess knowledge and his ability to run lines within his head and come up with an extremely accurate outcome just like what the chess engines are producing is just insane. I know Ding Liren, Nakamura, and Nepo also have this ability, but to be able to do it on almost all your games is just incomprehensible to me. Also, his decision to not defend his title is something I respect. Dude's been playing for that top spot for over a decade now. The best of the best does not need to prove himself to anyone, especially if a lot of people have tried to prove themselves against him and still not succeed.
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If an old champion has no motivation to defend his title, then he is weak. Like it or not, but the motivation and will to be the best for many years is one of the parameters that determine the strongest players. Carlsen gave up the title and the fight for the vacant seat is interesting by definition. In addition, we can assume that the level of contenders for the title is approximately the same, so we will see a sharp fight and not the dominance of one side, as in previous matches.
lol, the internet judges we have no idea what are the challenges in the guys life, 1 million things could be happening on his personal life and he already proved he's the best... what's the big deal on taking a break now and then? These are not arguments from the internet, but simple facts: regardless of the reasons (physical, mental or otherwise), the one who cannot defend his title is obviously weaker than the contenders. Strength is a combination of factors, not just one factor. Carlsen came close to repeating Kasparov's period of dominance, but gave up almost at the very end, probably such a distance is extremely difficult in every sense. I think the same, on the NFL we have also seen a period of unprecedented dominance with Tom Brady and he has stated that he will retire when he does not feel like going through the grind of preparing for the next season, Carlsen despite probably being one of the most gifted chess players ever is right now not willing to go through that kind of grind, now there could be many reasons for this, but the fact is he is tired of defending his title for now and if that is the case then he will be nowhere near his top game, and in that case it makes more sense to allow someone else to take his place on the world championship. However this is not completely bad news, in boxing there is the concept of lineal champion, with Carlsen out for the time being whoever wins will have his legitimacy questioned as he did not beat Carlsen, this will raise controversy and eventually once Carlsen comes back and he is serious about chess again we will have a match between whoever is the current champion at the time and Carlsen, which in my opinion will be very interesting. This is one of the advantages when champions like Carlsen can do it, all those who have not been able to beat him know that if they do not do it they cannot or feel that they will not advance, this is something that I do not know how to interpret, some call it "pitch "Others call it the need to beat the best, if I beat the best it is likely that new challenges will come that must win and not live under the shadow of a rival that they could not beat, and like boxing, all fans do that they "compare" and sometimes this is a mistake, there is always tension in chess players, it seems unbelievable, because chess athletes usually have an overly diplomatic attitude, but on a mental level the pressure is great. If an old champion has no motivation to defend his title, then he is weak. Like it or not, but the motivation and will to be the best for many years is one of the parameters that determine the strongest players. Carlsen gave up the title and the fight for the vacant seat is interesting by definition. In addition, we can assume that the level of contenders for the title is approximately the same, so we will see a sharp fight and not the dominance of one side, as in previous matches.
I wouldn't call Carlsen weak but it is indeed interesting that he vacated his title. In his mind, he has nothing to prove anymore as he is already a 5 time world champion and one of the greatest chess players of all time. I hope that he can reach the impossible 2900 elo level as that would be some accomplishment! Well, yes it is true, but we also do not know what situations he is going through, even so that will not take away all the mastery with which he plays chess, I would like to one day reach his level, but it would be with training almost 24 hours a day and that It would not be normal, in fact, it would be a great effort and I think that in the situations we are currently experiencing and with all the things that must be done, it is not very profitable, so perhaps he is going through a personal and very particular moment, but I don't think that has to mean that he is weak, I think that even with thousands of problems he will continue to win and be champion. Not to burst your bubble or anything, but chess GMs have one thing different from other normal chess players like us- they are genetically born with it. Imagine, Magnus Carlsen at a very young age can calculate lines in his head blindfolded. I remember watching a chess video where Magnus was able to defeat more than 10 players simultaneously blindfolded in an exhibition match. Even if we do train for 24-hours a day, which is seemingly impossible, I really doubt that we will be able to reach the height of these super GMs in the chess field. Like what you also mentioned, Magnus does not have to prove anything to the chess world. He is undoubtedly, the best chess player in history especially in the era of chess engines. This is true. No matter how hard you train to be a Super GM, or to be somewhat near their skill level, you'll still be inferior on what they can do because it is already wired in their brain and is within their genes. A lot of times, those who only strived to be the best can attain Super GM status and can even compete among the gods, but they can't win world championships and will always come in second. Magnus' chess knowledge and his ability to run lines within his head and come up with an extremely accurate outcome just like what the chess engines are producing is just insane. I know Ding Liren, Nakamura, and Nepo also have this ability, but to be able to do it on almost all your games is just incomprehensible to me. Also, his decision to not defend his title is something I respect. Dude's been playing for that top spot for over a decade now. The best of the best does not need to prove himself to anyone, especially if a lot of people have tried to prove themselves against him and still not succeed. Yes, you are right, you do not need to prove anything, and what you say about the study I agree with you, there are people who play chess almost by inertia and they do it very well, in fact the people who do it at a Masters level stay there in that level and they don't do anything else, they think that's as far as it goes, everything, but there will always be someone who is much faster and a better player, I know that through the study of plays you can have great success, even to be a grandmaster you need to accumulate many championships, but when it comes to simultaneous, I think that's where you measure who is who, that's something that must be taken into account, not everyone has that ability, I've never tried something like that.
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I agree that some people are simply born different but I also think that anyone can become a GM with enough training and dedication! I've seen GMs that started at an young age and after 10+ years became grand masters so, it's probably possible.
Oh yea it is definitely possible with enough training and dedication! The problem is, your journey would take so much time compared to these natural-talented and hardworking GMs that are just built specifically for chess. As someone who has been playing this game for years, I am proud to say that I only reached a peak rating of 1300. It is so difficult analyzing games and remembering lines due to the sheer amount of information that you have to digest and know at the same time; and oh, don't even mention about endgame techniques as that kind of preparation and mastery is another world to live for. idk, even some GMs take decades to master it for me participating on presential games, joining competitions and studying theory has helped me a lot I could climb from 1350 to 1600 in a week, now back to 1500 long journey
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Has anyone noticed on YouTube that Carlsen is advertising some kind of casino? I don't remember the name, but I do remember the slogan "Zero Risk Gambling" hahaha. Judging by his participation in poker competitions and this advertisement, it can be assumed that he is increasingly immersed in the world of gambling. Is this just making money interesting or is he seriously interested in this area? I hope this is a passing fad, I would like to see him in the next cycles of the Candidates Tournament.
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August 18, 2022, 09:44:31 PM |
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Has anyone noticed on YouTube that Carlsen is advertising some kind of casino? I don't remember the name, but I do remember the slogan "Zero Risk Gambling" hahaha. Judging by his participation in poker competitions and this advertisement, it can be assumed that he is increasingly immersed in the world of gambling. Is this just making money interesting or is he seriously interested in this area? I hope this is a passing fad, I would like to see him in the next cycles of the Candidates Tournament.
I have not seen this but there could be some very deep reasons for this new interest in gambling, I have seen chess go from humans being better than computers, then being evenly matched to a complete dominance of computers over humans, poker due to its nature is still a game in which humans are better than computers and most likely this will remain the case until very smart AI is developed, maybe Carlsen is frustrated with the fact that even if he is the best human chess player he cannot beat his digital opponents, and he would like to try poker as it is a game in which he could reach the true top, but this is speculation on my part.
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Has anyone noticed on YouTube that Carlsen is advertising some kind of casino? I don't remember the name, but I do remember the slogan "Zero Risk Gambling" hahaha. Judging by his participation in poker competitions and this advertisement, it can be assumed that he is increasingly immersed in the world of gambling. Is this just making money interesting or is he seriously interested in this area? I hope this is a passing fad, I would like to see him in the next cycles of the Candidates Tournament.
I have not seen this but there could be some very deep reasons for this new interest in gambling, I have seen chess go from humans being better than computers, then being evenly matched to a complete dominance of computers over humans, poker due to its nature is still a game in which humans are better than computers and most likely this will remain the case until very smart AI is developed, maybe Carlsen is frustrated with the fact that even if he is the best human chess player he cannot beat his digital opponents, and he would like to try poker as it is a game in which he could reach the true top, but this is speculation on my part. didn't see it, do you have any link South Park? reminds me of a book I just read: Thinking in bets, by Anne Duke she talks about decision making when facing uncertainty it's quite good one of the first chapters is: Like is poker, not chess
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The Olympiad is currently underway. Based on the performance there you can also make a nice estimate which opponents are potential challengers for Magnus Carlsen. So far he has again shown that he is world class. That board 1 player from Uzbekistan is a player to keep an eye on, he became world champion in quick chess or rapid (one of 2) in December and in the last game he beat Magnus Carlsen. Also has a rating of around 2700. Together with Firouzja those are the challengers Carlsen would like to play against I think.
That seems super perfect to me, so if things are like this what is stopping them from playing against Carlsen? maybe they don't want to play with him,? I have seen that many chess players have a very diverse attitude and different from any athlete in the world, they have a different kind of style, and this leads them to be a little more timid, in fact if these chess players are in Carlsen's sights I imagine that he himself will have already contacted them, I don't understand why they should wait so long to play a good game of chess, if it were in my hands, I would organize a good match of the category they want, even in blitz.
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August 21, 2022, 02:08:03 PM |
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Has anyone noticed on YouTube that Carlsen is advertising some kind of casino? I don't remember the name, but I do remember the slogan "Zero Risk Gambling" hahaha. Judging by his participation in poker competitions and this advertisement, it can be assumed that he is increasingly immersed in the world of gambling. Is this just making money interesting or is he seriously interested in this area? I hope this is a passing fad, I would like to see him in the next cycles of the Candidates Tournament.
I have not seen this but there could be some very deep reasons for this new interest in gambling, I have seen chess go from humans being better than computers, then being evenly matched to a complete dominance of computers over humans, poker due to its nature is still a game in which humans are better than computers and most likely this will remain the case until very smart AI is developed, maybe Carlsen is frustrated with the fact that even if he is the best human chess player he cannot beat his digital opponents, and he would like to try poker as it is a game in which he could reach the true top, but this is speculation on my part. If I remember correctly, there are only a few types of poker left where the AI is still weaker than a human. And if you look at the trend, this situation is clear how it will end. I'm not sure exactly what Carlsen's motivation is, since in poker no one player (in modern conditions) has ever dominated. At the highest level, this is a game of luck, where the outcome is determined almost entirely by chance. For Carlsen, it's most likely just entertainment plus making money. I think advertising from an influencer like him is very expensive.
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Not to burst your bubble or anything, but chess GMs have one thing different from other normal chess players like us- they are genetically born with it.
Imagine, Magnus Carlsen at a very young age can calculate lines in his head blindfolded. I remember watching a chess video where Magnus was able to defeat more than 10 players simultaneously blindfolded in an exhibition match. Even if we do train for 24-hours a day, which is seemingly impossible, I really doubt that we will be able to reach the height of these super GMs in the chess field.
Like what you also mentioned, Magnus does not have to prove anything to the chess world. He is undoubtedly, the best chess player in history especially in the era of chess engines.
They do more than that. GMs have photographic memory of moves and remember most of the games they played or watched. This was proven by many of them at the quiz where they were shown a board and asked which game it is and they were able to say who played each side. As for playing blindfolded, there's such a gap between a master and a grand master that it always surprises me. Hikaru Nakamura is known for playing blindfolded and I saw him win against international masters this way. It's amazing how some people are able to perfect their play style.
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August 22, 2022, 03:14:16 PM |
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Has anyone noticed on YouTube that Carlsen is advertising some kind of casino? I don't remember the name, but I do remember the slogan "Zero Risk Gambling" hahaha. Judging by his participation in poker competitions and this advertisement, it can be assumed that he is increasingly immersed in the world of gambling. Is this just making money interesting or is he seriously interested in this area? I hope this is a passing fad, I would like to see him in the next cycles of the Candidates Tournament.
I have not seen this but there could be some very deep reasons for this new interest in gambling, I have seen chess go from humans being better than computers, then being evenly matched to a complete dominance of computers over humans, poker due to its nature is still a game in which humans are better than computers and most likely this will remain the case until very smart AI is developed, maybe Carlsen is frustrated with the fact that even if he is the best human chess player he cannot beat his digital opponents, and he would like to try poker as it is a game in which he could reach the true top, but this is speculation on my part. If I remember correctly, there are only a few types of poker left where the AI is still weaker than a human. And if you look at the trend, this situation is clear how it will end. I'm not sure exactly what Carlsen's motivation is, since in poker no one player (in modern conditions) has ever dominated. At the highest level, this is a game of luck, where the outcome is determined almost entirely by chance. For Carlsen, it's most likely just entertainment plus making money. I think advertising from an influencer like him is very expensive. indeed it's probably expensive to hire Carlsen for an ad and he's probably picky on which companies to advertise for regarding Poker and AI, can AI bluff? curious about it for sure it can calculate the mathematical possibilities better than humans, but poker is not only luck, it's a game of skill
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If I remember correctly, there are only a few types of poker left where the AI is still weaker than a human. And if you look at the trend, this situation is clear how it will end. I'm not sure exactly what Carlsen's motivation is, since in poker no one player (in modern conditions) has ever dominated. At the highest level, this is a game of luck, where the outcome is determined almost entirely by chance. For Carlsen, it's most likely just entertainment plus making money. I think advertising from an influencer like him is very expensive.
indeed it's probably expensive to hire Carlsen for an ad and he's probably picky on which companies to advertise for regarding Poker and AI, can AI bluff? curious about it for sure it can calculate the mathematical possibilities better than humans, but poker is not only luck, it's a game of skill What is the game of skill? In all games where only skill is taken into account, AI is already undeniably better than a person - chess, GO, checkers, any other board games. As for bluffing, I can’t answer this question because I don’t know the details, but it seems to me that it can because from the AI point of view, bluffing is a common action in the game that leads to certain consequences with certain probabilities. Since the AI calculates all these probabilities, why not use this technique.
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If I remember correctly, there are only a few types of poker left where the AI is still weaker than a human. And if you look at the trend, this situation is clear how it will end. I'm not sure exactly what Carlsen's motivation is, since in poker no one player (in modern conditions) has ever dominated. At the highest level, this is a game of luck, where the outcome is determined almost entirely by chance. For Carlsen, it's most likely just entertainment plus making money. I think advertising from an influencer like him is very expensive.
indeed it's probably expensive to hire Carlsen for an ad and he's probably picky on which companies to advertise for regarding Poker and AI, can AI bluff? curious about it for sure it can calculate the mathematical possibilities better than humans, but poker is not only luck, it's a game of skill What is the game of skill? In all games where only skill is taken into account, AI is already undeniably better than a person - chess, GO, checkers, any other board games. As for bluffing, I can’t answer this question because I don’t know the details, but it seems to me that it can because from the AI point of view, bluffing is a common action in the game that leads to certain consequences with certain probabilities. Since the AI calculates all these probabilities, why not use this technique. this is the point AI will take the mathematical and logical approach and some things are beyond this domain bluffing is one of them even though AI can calculate the odds of determined combination of cards being the winner, top poker players can also do it winning on poker is not about it, it's way more totally different game than chess makes sense?
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this is the point AI will take the mathematical and logical approach and some things are beyond this domain bluffing is one of them even though AI can calculate the odds of determined combination of cards being the winner, top poker players can also do it winning on poker is not about it, it's way more
totally different game than chess makes sense?
While it is difficult to guess exactly how an AI can bluff we can look at how humans do it to give ourselves an idea of how it may be done, for example in a book about small stakes poker a technique that is recommended for newbies on the game to bluff from time to time is extremely simple, before you begin to play you select a few cards at random from the deck, if you have the impression your opponent has you beat but they do not have the nuts and you see one of the cards you selected beforehand on the community cards then you bluff, this system is extremely simplistic but it helps newbies by forcing them to bluff from time to time and make their playing style more aggressive and unpredictable, so I think that an AI has a more advanced series of rules which allows it to make a far better use of the bluff.
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this is the point AI will take the mathematical and logical approach and some things are beyond this domain bluffing is one of them even though AI can calculate the odds of determined combination of cards being the winner, top poker players can also do it winning on poker is not about it, it's way more
totally different game than chess makes sense?
While it is difficult to guess exactly how an AI can bluff we can look at how humans do it to give ourselves an idea of how it may be done, for example in a book about small stakes poker a technique that is recommended for newbies on the game to bluff from time to time is extremely simple, before you begin to play you select a few cards at random from the deck, if you have the impression your opponent has you beat but they do not have the nuts and you see one of the cards you selected beforehand on the community cards then you bluff, this system is extremely simplistic but it helps newbies by forcing them to bluff from time to time and make their playing style more aggressive and unpredictable, so I think that an AI has a more advanced series of rules which allows it to make a far better use of the bluff. got curious about it and went to search and seems like you're right Researchers reveal how poker playing AI beat the best human playersAI just beat the world’s 4 best poker players: What it meansseems like there's no hope for humans when playing against the machines what games are next? do you think AI robots will be able to beat humans on complex sports?
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