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January 22, 2023, 08:02:19 PM
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Carlsen has now recovered with 2 victories in a row. Especially today's victory shows that we shouldn't write Carlsen off. Difference with the leader is 1.5 points. A considerable gap, but in this tournament 13 rounds are played, so we are only just over halfway. Carlsen is a player who can still score 5 out of 6 in the last 6 games once he gets going. But of course he is no longer the favorite for the title. Whether he will lose a lot of points will depend on the 2nd tournament half. I read that he has already won this tournament about 8 times, that is really a lot. Perhaps more than Kasparov ever before in this tournament. It's a pity that man has stopped playing chess.

Field of competitors is very strong. Carlsen may be back on track, but his current score is still way below his rating. He really needs to win more to make sure he doesn't lose more points for his rating. I also expected more from Ding Liren, one of the few players with a rating of 2800+. The way Caruana lost to Carlsen today is illustrative. It is a pity that Firouzja does not participate in this tournament, that was definitely a contender. Carlsen has said that he only wants to play a match for the world championship if he can play against Firouzja, he apparently does not find other opponents interesting enough. This is also evident from his punishment against Nepomniachi, which had become a battlefield for the Russian.

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January 24, 2023, 10:45:10 AM
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I love how we care so much for an imaginary number
a bit like if the rating is all that is important

it is, don't take me wrong
but no need to be up only, it can come in weaves.

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January 24, 2023, 09:13:25 PM
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I love how we care so much for an imaginary number
a bit like if the rating is all that is important

it is, don't take me wrong
but no need to be up only, it can come in weaves.
Humans love to push themselves beyond what is considered possible, this single quality has allowed humans to create everything around us and to go further than any other species on the planet, it is apparent Carlsen does not consider holding his world title a challenge at all, but if the highest achievement which can be reached on his discipline does not motivate him anymore then how can he keep playing chess at all? And it is probable he has chosen as a goal to reach a rating of 2900 to keep himself interested on chess.
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January 25, 2023, 02:35:31 PM
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I love how we care so much for an imaginary number
a bit like if the rating is all that is important

it is, don't take me wrong
but no need to be up only, it can come in weaves.
Humans love to push themselves beyond what is considered possible, this single quality has allowed humans to create everything around us and to go further than any other species on the planet, it is apparent Carlsen does not consider holding his world title a challenge at all, but if the highest achievement which can be reached on his discipline does not motivate him anymore then how can he keep playing chess at all? And it is probable he has chosen as a goal to reach a rating of 2900 to keep himself interested on chess.

good point and I do agree that our desire to go beyond is amazing and the motor to create many good things (and some bad ones too)

life comes in weaves, maybe Carlsen just got tired of it after so many years, I have no idea about his personal thoughts and personal life.
each person is a galaxy of combinations.

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January 25, 2023, 08:06:10 PM
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A nice win for Carlsen today, but he had to work hard for it. He still has some work to do, but it looks like he is now 1 point behind the leader. There are still 3 rounds to play, Carlsen is a player who could win all 3 games. I don't see Nodirbek and Giri doing that any time soon. Nodirbek was very lucky against Keymer yesterday. Keymer was able to secure the point in a rook endgame with a simple turn, but did not play well and it eventually ended in a draw. A stroke of luck for the Uzbek, but they also often say that you have to force luck in such matches.

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January 25, 2023, 09:34:24 PM
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A nice win for Carlsen today, but he had to work hard for it. He still has some work to do, but it looks like he is now 1 point behind the leader. There are still 3 rounds to play, Carlsen is a player who could win all 3 games. I don't see Nodirbek and Giri doing that any time soon. Nodirbek was very lucky against Keymer yesterday. Keymer was able to secure the point in a rook endgame with a simple turn, but did not play well and it eventually ended in a draw. A stroke of luck for the Uzbek, but they also often say that you have to force luck in such matches.

It would be very indecent if the first place in such a prestigious tournament was taken by a chess player with two defeats (even if it was Carlsen himself). Still, I will assume that the first place will go to either Giri or Abdussatorov - at the moment they are playing very reliably and they have not a single defeat.

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January 26, 2023, 12:55:39 PM
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A nice win for Carlsen today, but he had to work hard for it. He still has some work to do, but it looks like he is now 1 point behind the leader. There are still 3 rounds to play, Carlsen is a player who could win all 3 games. I don't see Nodirbek and Giri doing that any time soon. Nodirbek was very lucky against Keymer yesterday. Keymer was able to secure the point in a rook endgame with a simple turn, but did not play well and it eventually ended in a draw. A stroke of luck for the Uzbek, but they also often say that you have to force luck in such matches.

It would be very indecent if the first place in such a prestigious tournament was taken by a chess player with two defeats (even if it was Carlsen himself). Still, I will assume that the first place will go to either Giri or Abdussatorov - at the moment they are playing very reliably and they have not a single defeat.

do you know how long we still have before the tournament ends?
is this one also on lichess or other place where we can keep up with the PGNs on table?
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January 26, 2023, 07:53:59 PM
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It would be very indecent if the first place in such a prestigious tournament was taken by a chess player with two defeats (even if it was Carlsen himself). Still, I will assume that the first place will go to either Giri or Abdussatorov - at the moment they are playing very reliably and they have not a single defeat.

do you know how long we still have before the tournament ends?
is this one also on lichess or other place where we can keep up with the PGNs on table?
thanks

Today is a day off from the tournament. There are three gaming days left: 27, 28 and 29. If you want to watch the games online, then you should probably choose something on Twitch (I don’t know what language is your native) there are always a lot of streams from the pros (I always watch such since I don't have a high level of understanding of what's happening over the board and I need an announcer). I myself do not have time to watch classics online now (and in fact, few people have that much time and this is the main problem of this format).

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January 27, 2023, 07:16:45 PM
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The field of participants has not grown closer together. Carlsen wins today with white to achieve absolutely nothing against So and most games ended in a draw. Giri couldn't break any pot against the leader with white either. It was the ultimate chance for Giri to become undivided at the top. Tournament win for Abdusattarov is getting closer this way. This seems to be one of the greatest talents of recent years. You can't compare him to Carlsen, but outside this tournament he also won the Rapid World Championship 2 years ago. The world's top was there at the time. I think we will expect a lot from him. 3 more rounds, a lot can still go wrong for him. Maybe the experience will break him down after all.

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January 27, 2023, 07:55:43 PM
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It would be very indecent if the first place in such a prestigious tournament was taken by a chess player with two defeats (even if it was Carlsen himself). Still, I will assume that the first place will go to either Giri or Abdussatorov - at the moment they are playing very reliably and they have not a single defeat.

do you know how long we still have before the tournament ends?
is this one also on lichess or other place where we can keep up with the PGNs on table?
thanks

Today is a day off from the tournament. There are three gaming days left: 27, 28 and 29. If you want to watch the games online, then you should probably choose something on Twitch (I don’t know what language is your native) there are always a lot of streams from the pros (I always watch such since I don't have a high level of understanding of what's happening over the board and I need an announcer). I myself do not have time to watch classics online now (and in fact, few people have that much time and this is the main problem of this format).

yes, I thought you can probably find commented videos on youtube and so on
though video is not my favorite format due to the time it takes
would like to check the PGNs to see the lines and games and try to learn a bit by watching how they play

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Too bad Carlsen couldn't win today. This way he still remains 1 point behind the leader. In the event of a tie, a jump-off is played between the front runners. In theory, Carlsen could still do the tournament, he doesn't have a bad draw in itself. But the 2 losses in a row will probably cost him his head. He has recovered very well from those defeats. Here, with a rating of 2700, you can easily become last without winning a game. I think this is also the Wimbledon of chess, because it is so heavily occupied. there will also be a lot of prize money to be won.

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January 27, 2023, 08:49:21 PM
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Too bad Carlsen couldn't win today. This way he still remains 1 point behind the leader. In the event of a tie, a jump-off is played between the front runners. In theory, Carlsen could still do the tournament, he doesn't have a bad draw in itself. But the 2 losses in a row will probably cost him his head. He has recovered very well from those defeats. Here, with a rating of 2700, you can easily become last without winning a game. I think this is also the Wimbledon of chess, because it is so heavily occupied. there will also be a lot of prize money to be won.

I think Carlsen no longer has a chance, since Giri, who is in second place, has two easy games, and Abdusattorov has one easy game, but also one (tomorrow's) hard one - with black against So. But Abdussatorov has a whole point of advantage, so he has the right to make a mistake. Carlslen himself will play against the younger generation in the final two games.

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January 28, 2023, 04:10:34 PM
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The 1st round of the Tata chess tournament is currently being played. Abdusattorov is still undivided at the top, but with black it seems that he cannot get further than a draw against Wesley So, which is not a bad performance either. Carlsen is currently one point behind, but still seems to have an advantage and can certainly play for a win. With that mindset, Carlsen would then be only half a point behind and everything is still open tomorrow. Giri has half a point less but seems to lose quite clearly today against compatriot van Foreest. In the event of a tie, there will be a tie break, in which Carlsen is the favorite for me.

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January 28, 2023, 04:54:17 PM
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Quite surreal that the world's number 2 is so far behind in the standings for Tata Masters. Giri, on the other hand, seems to be playing extremely well, defeating both Magnus and Ding in classical. I know that Abdusattorov is the heavy favorite to win this tournament, but if So wins against him today, that might give Giri the chance to snag the first place and become the tournament champion. Van Foreest will be a hard match against Giri, but a draw would be very much welcome as that still puts Giri in a comfortable position even if Carlsen manages to beat Pragg.
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Quite surreal that the world's number 2 is so far behind in the standings for Tata Masters. Giri, on the other hand, seems to be playing extremely well, defeating both Magnus and Ding in classical. I know that Abdusattorov is the heavy favorite to win this tournament, but if So wins against him today, that might give Giri the chance to snag the first place and become the tournament champion. Van Foreest will be a hard match against Giri, but a draw would be very much welcome as that still puts Giri in a comfortable position even if Carlsen manages to beat Pragg.

Giri got away well against van Foreest who was on the win. Now it's a statement that can go either way. Giri should be better with these kinds of positions, but winning won't be easy. Carlsen no longer has a preference and can now decide whether he will play all or nothing. He could promote black to queen and then see how far he gets with f4. But then a dangerous position arises, which can also work if Black wins if Carlsen goes too far. Given Carlsen's mentality, he may still take some risk to bet full on the win with all the risks that entails.

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Quite surreal that the world's number 2 is so far behind in the standings for Tata Masters. Giri, on the other hand, seems to be playing extremely well, defeating both Magnus and Ding in classical. I know that Abdusattorov is the heavy favorite to win this tournament, but if So wins against him today, that might give Giri the chance to snag the first place and become the tournament champion. Van Foreest will be a hard match against Giri, but a draw would be very much welcome as that still puts Giri in a comfortable position even if Carlsen manages to beat Pragg.

Today's defeat threw Ding Liren straight into the basement. Now he shares the last three places with the other two losers. A truly unexpected result, given that he will take part in the match for the crown. And it turns out that at the end of the tournament his rating should fall below 2800 - with three defeats and zero wins in the tournament where he was number 2 in the rating, this is inevitable.

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It is unbelievable but true: The Uzbek handed over the title in the last round, against perhaps the weakest player of this group. Van Foreest won with the black pieces and Giri won with white, so Giri came first and the Uzbek 2nd. Of course he played another great tournament, but one of them was a win with black against Magnus Carlsen halfway through the tournament. And won a lot of rating points, but he won't have much fun now. He has been on top from the start and today suffered his only defeat of the tournament. Perhaps the minimal experience and tension was the deciding factor for him today. In any case, we will hear and see a lot more from him, that's for sure.

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January 29, 2023, 08:45:54 PM
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It is unbelievable but true: The Uzbek handed over the title in the last round, against perhaps the weakest player of this group. Van Foreest won with the black pieces and Giri won with white, so Giri came first and the Uzbek 2nd. Of course he played another great tournament, but one of them was a win with black against Magnus Carlsen halfway through the tournament. And won a lot of rating points, but he won't have much fun now. He has been on top from the start and today suffered his only defeat of the tournament. Perhaps the minimal experience and tension was the deciding factor for him today. In any case, we will hear and see a lot more from him, that's for sure.

In the long run, I think he was 1.5 points ahead of Giri. But then he started playing too many draws, and Giri played constantly and won a few games. I think Giri is also the only undefeated player in this tournament and can therefore climb up the rankings again. A nice game from Carlsen today, in a very difficult position. He still won that one and that's how he came close to winning. But if you lose 2 games in a row at the beginning of the tournament, you can actually forget about the tournament profit. Van Foreest had a bad tournament but made up for it in one fell swoop by winning against the leader with black today, which the rest of the field had failed to do.

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January 29, 2023, 10:26:11 PM
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It is unbelievable but true: The Uzbek handed over the title in the last round, against perhaps the weakest player of this group. Van Foreest won with the black pieces and Giri won with white, so Giri came first and the Uzbek 2nd. Of course he played another great tournament, but one of them was a win with black against Magnus Carlsen halfway through the tournament. And won a lot of rating points, but he won't have much fun now. He has been on top from the start and today suffered his only defeat of the tournament. Perhaps the minimal experience and tension was the deciding factor for him today. In any case, we will hear and see a lot more from him, that's for sure.

Yes, a very disappointing defeat for Abdusattorov. Apparently, the psychological pressure had an effect and before the decisive game he "burned out" - losing with White in such a situation is like losing in football at home to an outsider 0-3.
We should be happy for Giri - before that he had 5 times (lol) taken second place in this tournament and now he was finally able to climb to the top.

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January 30, 2023, 02:08:37 PM
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in case anyone is interested I found the PGNs of all rounds of Tata Steel Challengers 2023 on lichess

https://lichess.org/broadcast/tata-steel-challengers-2023/round-11/wflCxqsK

this link also includes lots of live tournaments brodcasted there

https://lichess.org/broadcast

for those like me who prefer seeing the games on board instead of video may be a good idea to check
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