[CHESS] FIDE Candidates Chess Tournament 2022

[KTChampions]

As I said, Ding Liren's failure had a dramatic effect on his rating - he not only flew out of the 2800 club (where only Carlsen is now lol), but even fell to third place. Now he has 2788 points, while Nepomniachtchi (who moved up to second place for the first time in his career) has 2793. Quite an interesting rearrangement before the match for the chess crown. However, a match and a tournament are still very different things, so it's not a fact that any conclusions can be drawn from these events.

[dothebeats]

As I said, Ding Liren's failure had a dramatic effect on his rating - he not only flew out of the 2800 club (where only Carlsen is now lol), but even fell to third place. Now he has 2788 points, while Nepomniachtchi (who moved up to second place for the first time in his career) has 2793. Quite an interesting rearrangement before the match for the chess crown. However, a match and a tournament are still very different things, so it's not a fact that any conclusions can be drawn from these events.

Even still, this shows that a lot of players are still improving that they managed to win against the current number 2 who is known for his solid defense and very conservative midgames. Giri for example, edged out a lot of strong players and managed to win the tournament despite Abdusattorov being the favorite. Quite sad for Ding honestly, but it is what it is. He might not have time to prepare unlike his opponents in this tournament but oh well.

[Lucasgabd]

As I said, Ding Liren's failure had a dramatic effect on his rating - he not only flew out of the 2800 club (where only Carlsen is now lol), but even fell to third place. Now he has 2788 points, while Nepomniachtchi (who moved up to second place for the first time in his career) has 2793. Quite an interesting rearrangement before the match for the chess crown. However, a match and a tournament are still very different things, so it's not a fact that any conclusions can be drawn from these events.

after reading this post I realized I don't know much of the calculations of the rating system was curious about it
I understand how it works to match similar level players and that'll earn more points by beating someone with a higher rating than you instead of a lower one
but I didn't know how's the math on that

found this:
https://www.chess.com/terms/elo-rating-chess
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

the probability bit is really interesting:

Calculating the probable outcome of chess games is one of the fascinating aspects of this rating system: it takes into consideration the fluctuations in a player's performance. From time to time, we all have bad days when we play poorly. Even when we are at our best, we can still slip up and make a game-losing blunder.

[LUCKMCFLY]

A pretty boring day today. Played an awful lot of draws, which is not uncommon. Carlsen couldn't achieve much with black against van Foreest and so the gap to the leader remains large. I wouldn't dare say who the absolute favorite is, since this field is so strong that everyone can win and lose against each other. Good preparation is half the work. There were also rumors that Firouzja would not participate because he could not agree on the negotiation of his participation money in the tournament. It's strange, as a chess player you want to keep playing against the absolute world top, don't you? Not participating due to a refusal of starting money can also damage your reputation.

The truth is that I have missed all the games of this championship, could you tell me where I can see these games =?' Since I have not seen any and I would like to know if they have any special channel to be able to acquire it, I do not have IPTV but just to see the channel that this type of competition can give me, I am able to put it, look around for someone who provides the service for Being able to enjoy watching it on the internet afterwards is also interesting, but there is nothing like seeing it live, the sports channels I have do not cover this type of event, which seems to me a big flaw for the cble company, however I would like to see them live, it is something extreme, but I like this sport a lot.

[South Park]

As I said, Ding Liren's failure had a dramatic effect on his rating - he not only flew out of the 2800 club (where only Carlsen is now lol), but even fell to third place. Now he has 2788 points, while Nepomniachtchi (who moved up to second place for the first time in his career) has 2793. Quite an interesting rearrangement before the match for the chess crown. However, a match and a tournament are still very different things, so it's not a fact that any conclusions can be drawn from these events.

Even still, this shows that a lot of players are still improving that they managed to win against the current number 2 who is known for his solid defense and very conservative midgames. Giri for example, edged out a lot of strong players and managed to win the tournament despite Abdusattorov being the favorite. Quite sad for Ding honestly, but it is what it is. He might not have time to prepare unlike his opponents in this tournament but oh well.

It is not rare for candidates for the championship to suffer from bad performances on the months leading up to the match, and this is not only because Ding is studying his opponent exclusively. leaving everything to the side, but this also happens because whatever breakthrough and new moves his team could device are being kept in secret, and this could cause a decrease in his performance as it is the equivalent of fighting with one of your hands behind your back.

[KTChampions]

As I said, Ding Liren's failure had a dramatic effect on his rating - he not only flew out of the 2800 club (where only Carlsen is now lol), but even fell to third place. Now he has 2788 points, while Nepomniachtchi (who moved up to second place for the first time in his career) has 2793. Quite an interesting rearrangement before the match for the chess crown. However, a match and a tournament are still very different things, so it's not a fact that any conclusions can be drawn from these events.

after reading this post I realized I don't know much of the calculations of the rating system was curious about it
I understand how it works to match similar level players and that'll earn more points by beating someone with a higher rating than you instead of a lower one
but I didn't know how's the math on that

found this:
https://www.chess.com/terms/elo-rating-chess
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

the probability bit is really interesting:

Calculating the probable outcome of chess games is one of the fascinating aspects of this rating system: it takes into consideration the fluctuations in a player's performance. From time to time, we all have bad days when we play poorly. Even when we are at our best, we can still slip up and make a game-losing blunder.

If you are interested in sports betting, then you should study this issue well 
The strength of teams/ranking/etc are based on this math and then reflected in bookmaker quotes. The quotes that bookmakers give us are inversely proportional to the probability that the team/player will win. It's all about probabilities.

[Zackgeno96]

Ding Liren has indeed played a bad tournament for him. Anyway, if you have a rating of 2800+ then you also have to achieve a TPR of 2800+ in order not to lose any rating points. Giri, the tournament winner is the big winner on all fronts. Tournament win, a lot of prize money and also won a lot of points for his rating. A list of all chess players with a rating of 2700 or higher is also available at www.2700chess.com
A number of talented chess players have been added. Hans Niemann is also on this list, but tournament organizers won't be thrilled with his participation because he has been accused of cheating at several tournaments. Well, innocent until proven guilty, I guess?

[BitcoinAccepted]

Ding Liren has indeed played a bad tournament for him. Anyway, if you have a rating of 2800+ then you also have to achieve a TPR of 2800+ in order not to lose any rating points. Giri, the tournament winner is the big winner on all fronts. Tournament win, a lot of prize money and also won a lot of points for his rating. A list of all chess players with a rating of 2700 or higher is also available at www.2700chess.com
A number of talented chess players have been added. Hans Niemann is also on this list, but tournament organizers won't be thrilled with his participation because he has been accused of cheating at several tournaments. Well, innocent until proven guilty, I guess?

Ding Liren has indeed lost a lot of points, but he also seems to be less active. And Nepomniachi has been suspended for several months by FIDE for his open support of Puting. I especially expected more from Ding Liren during this tournament. Firouzja was also the big absentee, but rumor has it that he did not agree with the amount of the prize money. He can of course make certain demands as a top 3-4 player in the world. And the year before, there was also an incident in a party of Firouzja, who was asked during his game if they wanted to continue their party in another place. Those are things that are really not done, was a gross blunder by the then arbitrator.

[Lucasgabd]

As I said, Ding Liren's failure had a dramatic effect on his rating - he not only flew out of the 2800 club (where only Carlsen is now lol), but even fell to third place. Now he has 2788 points, while Nepomniachtchi (who moved up to second place for the first time in his career) has 2793. Quite an interesting rearrangement before the match for the chess crown. However, a match and a tournament are still very different things, so it's not a fact that any conclusions can be drawn from these events.

after reading this post I realized I don't know much of the calculations of the rating system was curious about it
I understand how it works to match similar level players and that'll earn more points by beating someone with a higher rating than you instead of a lower one
but I didn't know how's the math on that

found this:
https://www.chess.com/terms/elo-rating-chess
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

the probability bit is really interesting:

Calculating the probable outcome of chess games is one of the fascinating aspects of this rating system: it takes into consideration the fluctuations in a player's performance. From time to time, we all have bad days when we play poorly. Even when we are at our best, we can still slip up and make a game-losing blunder.

If you are interested in sports betting, then you should study this issue well 
The strength of teams/ranking/etc are based on this math and then reflected in bookmaker quotes. The quotes that bookmakers give us are inversely proportional to the probability that the team/player will win. It's all about probabilities.

quite interesting
is it always the case?

I'll definitely look more into it

so soccer, basketball and other sports bookers also use the same elo systems?

do you have any links to point me to on that?

[BitcoinAccepted]

If you want to make money betting on chess, I would definitely go for the draw option. Many games end in a draw. You have to see who is playing then. If Magnus Carlsen is behind the chessboard then I would watch out because he goes for the win every game. There are a number of players who often draw draws, for example you used to have Giri who drew extremely often. And in the last rounds of a tournament you often have the chance of a quick draw so that players can pack their bags and rest. But I wouldn't bet on speed chess games. There are far fewer draws.

[qwertyup23]

If you want to make money betting on chess, I would definitely go for the draw option. Many games end in a draw. You have to see who is playing then. If Magnus Carlsen is behind the chessboard then I would watch out because he goes for the win every game. There are a number of players who often draw draws, for example you used to have Giri who drew extremely often. And in the last rounds of a tournament you often have the chance of a quick draw so that players can pack their bags and rest. But I wouldn't bet on speed chess games. There are far fewer draws.

I somehow disagree with your statement as it depends on several factors.

First, you have to consider the time/game format of the tournament. If it involves a classical match between the players, then expect draws to happen given the nature of it- more players have time to calculate and the pressure is relatively low. But, if the game is either rapid or bullet, then drawing the game is most likely off the table as there will be a player that will most likely blunder at the end.

Second, you must also consider the players that will participate. Like you mentioned, Giri has that reputation of drawing such games but if you watched closely, he actually won the recent 2023 Tata Steel Championship. So I guess, him drawing the games are not possible anymore.

Lastly, you must also consider the overall tournament that will happen. If it is a big tournament where top GMs will participate, then expect outrage and chaos on the board.

[Zackgeno96]

If you want to make money betting on chess, I would definitely go for the draw option. Many games end in a draw. You have to see who is playing then. If Magnus Carlsen is behind the chessboard then I would watch out because he goes for the win every game. There are a number of players who often draw draws, for example you used to have Giri who drew extremely often. And in the last rounds of a tournament you often have the chance of a quick draw so that players can pack their bags and rest. But I wouldn't bet on speed chess games. There are far fewer draws.

I somehow disagree with your statement as it depends on several factors.

First, you have to consider the time/game format of the tournament. If it involves a classical match between the players, then expect draws to happen given the nature of it- more players have time to calculate and the pressure is relatively low. But, if the game is either rapid or bullet, then drawing the game is most likely off the table as there will be a player that will most likely blunder at the end.

Second, you must also consider the players that will participate. Like you mentioned, Giri has that reputation of drawing such games but if you watched closely, he actually won the recent 2023 Tata Steel Championship. So I guess, him drawing the games are not possible anymore.

Lastly, you must also consider the overall tournament that will happen. If it is a big tournament where top GMs will participate, then expect outrage and chaos on the board.

The average results are that a game between 2 GMs has a high chance of ending in a draw. You can also check this with the bookmakers. But that only applies to regular parties. I think it is one of the few sports where you get such a low amount for a draw with a bet. The question is what Carlsen will do next with a view to his world title. He has indicated that he would only like to play another match against Firouzja, but maybe he should reconsider that statement after suffering some hard defeats in the tournament at Wijk aan Zee, where Giri proved really solid and Carlsen suffered a dip had 2 rounds.

[South Park]

If you want to make money betting on chess, I would definitely go for the draw option. Many games end in a draw. You have to see who is playing then. If Magnus Carlsen is behind the chessboard then I would watch out because he goes for the win every game. There are a number of players who often draw draws, for example you used to have Giri who drew extremely often. And in the last rounds of a tournament you often have the chance of a quick draw so that players can pack their bags and rest. But I wouldn't bet on speed chess games. There are far fewer draws.

I somehow disagree with your statement as it depends on several factors.

First, you have to consider the time/game format of the tournament. If it involves a classical match between the players, then expect draws to happen given the nature of it- more players have time to calculate and the pressure is relatively low. But, if the game is either rapid or bullet, then drawing the game is most likely off the table as there will be a player that will most likely blunder at the end.

Second, you must also consider the players that will participate. Like you mentioned, Giri has that reputation of drawing such games but if you watched closely, he actually won the recent 2023 Tata Steel Championship. So I guess, him drawing the games are not possible anymore.

Lastly, you must also consider the overall tournament that will happen. If it is a big tournament where top GMs will participate, then expect outrage and chaos on the board.

Another simple factor is that it is not as if the bookies do not know this, bookies know that bettors most of the time go for the safest option they have available and in the game of chess between two players of similar ability a draw is the most common outcome, so they probably give the worst possible odds to the draw bet so all the people which go for that kind of bet instead of going for the safest route as they hope they are taking the riskiest one.

[Zackgeno96]

You can also bet on live matches in chess. Then I wonder who determines those odds during a match. You can't possibly let a program do that, because it's not football where you score a goal. Then you should base it on the quality of the moves played. I've looked, but the limits for such parties are really very low. And another thing is that players are sometimes approached for match fixing. Those are sports that are sensitive. You can easily play a bad game in chess without people noticing it.

[KTChampions]

You can also bet on live matches in chess. Then I wonder who determines those odds during a match. You can't possibly let a program do that, because it's not football where you score a goal. Then you should base it on the quality of the moves played. I've looked, but the limits for such parties are really very low. And another thing is that players are sometimes approached for match fixing. Those are sports that are sensitive. You can easily play a bad game in chess without people noticing it.

Of course programs can do this. Firstly, they are better than people at determining what the position on the board is (who has the advantage). Secondly, they very accurately determine the quality of the players' moves - there is such an indicator as the loss of centipawns. If the player is in bad shape, then this indicator will be large, if in good shape, then less. If the player is a cheater like Niemann, then this indicator will be zero   

[BitcoinAccepted]

Perhaps what is most preoccupying the chess world right now is the performance of Niemann, who was accused of cheating a few months ago. No sanctions have yet been imposed. Would you say you are innocent until proven guilty? You can't find any hard evidence, or at least not that he was caught in the act. He is now also foiled at every tournament or a hand held metal detector is used to scan him. Shouldn't you invite him to tournaments because he has a bad name? Carlsen has already indicated that he does not want to play against Niemann and he may therefore not participate in a tournament in which Niemann also plays.

[KTChampions]

Perhaps what is most preoccupying the chess world right now is the performance of Niemann, who was accused of cheating a few months ago. No sanctions have yet been imposed. Would you say you are innocent until proven guilty? You can't find any hard evidence, or at least not that he was caught in the act. He is now also foiled at every tournament or a hand held metal detector is used to scan him. Shouldn't you invite him to tournaments because he has a bad name? Carlsen has already indicated that he does not want to play against Niemann and he may therefore not participate in a tournament in which Niemann also plays.

It doesn't work that way in sports. It's the other way around: until you prove your innocence, you're guilty. That is why athletes who evade doping tests and the like are banned without question. As for Niemann, he is already a proven cheater, and the fact that FIDE still allows him to participate in their competitions (since he was not caught cheating specifically in FIDE competitions) only shows the impotence of this organization.

[South Park]

Perhaps what is most preoccupying the chess world right now is the performance of Niemann, who was accused of cheating a few months ago. No sanctions have yet been imposed. Would you say you are innocent until proven guilty? You can't find any hard evidence, or at least not that he was caught in the act. He is now also foiled at every tournament or a hand held metal detector is used to scan him. Shouldn't you invite him to tournaments because he has a bad name? Carlsen has already indicated that he does not want to play against Niemann and he may therefore not participate in a tournament in which Niemann also plays.

It doesn't work that way in sports. It's the other way around: until you prove your innocence, you're guilty. That is why athletes who evade doping tests and the like are banned without question. As for Niemann, he is already a proven cheater, and the fact that FIDE still allows him to participate in their competitions (since he was not caught cheating specifically in FIDE competitions) only shows the impotence of this organization.

Innocent until proven guilty is the ideal but the reality is far different not only when it comes to sports but everywhere, and while it is not clear yet if he cheated when he played against Carlsen there is strong evidence Niemann could have cheated on more than 100 chess online games when money was on the line, so this is a stain that he is not going to be able to remove as this is no longer about the accusations Carlsen made, but about the strong evidence which shows his misdeeds.

[qwertyup23]

Perhaps what is most preoccupying the chess world right now is the performance of Niemann, who was accused of cheating a few months ago. No sanctions have yet been imposed. Would you say you are innocent until proven guilty? You can't find any hard evidence, or at least not that he was caught in the act. He is now also foiled at every tournament or a hand held metal detector is used to scan him. Shouldn't you invite him to tournaments because he has a bad name? Carlsen has already indicated that he does not want to play against Niemann and he may therefore not participate in a tournament in which Niemann also plays.

It doesn't work that way in sports. It's the other way around: until you prove your innocence, you're guilty. That is why athletes who evade doping tests and the like are banned without question. As for Niemann, he is already a proven cheater, and the fact that FIDE still allows him to participate in their competitions (since he was not caught cheating specifically in FIDE competitions) only shows the impotence of this organization.

Ohh this is interesting but I do understand on why it is the other way around- athletes should put themselves at high regard due to the nature, skill, and fame they put out on the world. They must uphold themselves as truthful to everyone especially considering the scrutiny they face. If they are considered or alleged to be cheated, it is up to them to prove their innocence.

As with the contention against Niemann, it is still being reviewed and investigated. Given the history of Niemann repeatedly cheating on tournaments, I would not be surprised if he cheated on his recent games also.

[Zackgeno96]

It's an interesting discussion about Hans Niemann cheating. But to what extent can we say with 100% certainty that he cheated. What would a judge say about this? The problem still remains that he has not been caught in the act, then it will be very difficult. In his performances after that he also played very well while he was checked by all arbitrators with a hand scanner. So in those games it actually seems impossible to me that he cheated, yet you don't know with the new technology. I'm not watching anything anymore. It is a pity that Carlsen has withdrawn from the World Cup.