[CHESS] FIDE Candidates Chess Tournament 2022

[KTChampions]

It doesn't work that way in sports. It's the other way around: until you prove your innocence, you're guilty. That is why athletes who evade doping tests and the like are banned without question. As for Niemann, he is already a proven cheater, and the fact that FIDE still allows him to participate in their competitions (since he was not caught cheating specifically in FIDE competitions) only shows the impotence of this organization.

Ohh this is interesting but I do understand on why it is the other way around- athletes should put themselves at high regard due to the nature, skill, and fame they put out on the world. They must uphold themselves as truthful to everyone especially considering the scrutiny they face. If they are considered or alleged to be cheated, it is up to them to prove their innocence.

As with the contention against Niemann, it is still being reviewed and investigated. Given the history of Niemann repeatedly cheating on tournaments, I would not be surprised if he cheated on his recent games also.

It's not about morals or ideals or anything. It's more of a math. If the criminal principle is applied in sports (not guilty until caught), then the sport will be instantly destroyed, since even one successful cheater out of 100 destroys the entire existing ecosystem of honest athletes. If you can "legally" run from doping commissioners, refuse to take tests, etc. then competing without doping will simply lose its meaning.

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It doesn't work that way in sports. It's the other way around: until you prove your innocence, you're guilty. That is why athletes who evade doping tests and the like are banned without question. As for Niemann, he is already a proven cheater, and the fact that FIDE still allows him to participate in their competitions (since he was not caught cheating specifically in FIDE competitions) only shows the impotence of this organization.

Ohh this is interesting but I do understand on why it is the other way around- athletes should put themselves at high regard due to the nature, skill, and fame they put out on the world. They must uphold themselves as truthful to everyone especially considering the scrutiny they face. If they are considered or alleged to be cheated, it is up to them to prove their innocence.

As with the contention against Niemann, it is still being reviewed and investigated. Given the history of Niemann repeatedly cheating on tournaments, I would not be surprised if he cheated on his recent games also.

It's not about morals or ideals or anything. It's more of a math. If the criminal principle is applied in sports (not guilty until caught), then the sport will be instantly destroyed, since even one successful cheater out of 100 destroys the entire existing ecosystem of honest athletes. If you can "legally" run from doping commissioners, refuse to take tests, etc. then competing without doping will simply lose its meaning.

And this is even more true in chess, when it comes to doping it only increases the performance of the athlete and the more skill the sport requires the less effect the doping has on the sport, but in chess you could give a computer with a chess engine to a 5 year old kid and as long as you explained to them they only needed to copy the moves given by the computer and they followed those instructions they will beat even the world champion without any problem, so a very strong stance against cheating in this way needs to be implemented on chess.

[Lucasgabd]

It doesn't work that way in sports. It's the other way around: until you prove your innocence, you're guilty. That is why athletes who evade doping tests and the like are banned without question. As for Niemann, he is already a proven cheater, and the fact that FIDE still allows him to participate in their competitions (since he was not caught cheating specifically in FIDE competitions) only shows the impotence of this organization.

Ohh this is interesting but I do understand on why it is the other way around- athletes should put themselves at high regard due to the nature, skill, and fame they put out on the world. They must uphold themselves as truthful to everyone especially considering the scrutiny they face. If they are considered or alleged to be cheated, it is up to them to prove their innocence.

As with the contention against Niemann, it is still being reviewed and investigated. Given the history of Niemann repeatedly cheating on tournaments, I would not be surprised if he cheated on his recent games also.

It's not about morals or ideals or anything. It's more of a math. If the criminal principle is applied in sports (not guilty until caught), then the sport will be instantly destroyed, since even one successful cheater out of 100 destroys the entire existing ecosystem of honest athletes. If you can "legally" run from doping commissioners, refuse to take tests, etc. then competing without doping will simply lose its meaning.

And this is even more true in chess, when it comes to doping it only increases the performance of the athlete and the more skill the sport requires the less effect the doping has on the sport, but in chess you could give a computer with a chess engine to a 5 year old kid and as long as you explained to them they only needed to copy the moves given by the computer and they followed those instructions they will beat even the world champion without any problem, so a very strong stance against cheating in this way needs to be implemented on chess.

that's true
even doping in sports it's really hard to pull out, requires training of specifics skills, time, and comes with much more risks

cheating in chess is much easier to accomplish and with smaller risks

[KTChampions]

Already the second game of the match for the chess crown turned out to be productive and Nepomniachtchi won with black against Ding Liren.
What do you guys think - the outcome of the match is already a foregone conclusion? There have been very few cases in history when the balance of power has been reversed at this stage. Even taking into account that Nepomniachtchi can be unstable, I would rather believe that Ding Liren will completely fall apart (instability in difficult conditions is also his property) than that he can make a comeback.

[qwertyup23]

Already the second game of the match for the chess crown turned out to be productive and Nepomniachtchi won with black against Ding Liren.
What do you guys think - the outcome of the match is already a foregone conclusion? There have been very few cases in history when the balance of power has been reversed at this stage. Even taking into account that Nepomniachtchi can be unstable, I would rather believe that Ding Liren will completely fall apart (instability in difficult conditions is also his property) than that he can make a comeback.

With the very unfortunate loss of Ding, I think games from now on would be more interesting as we can expect lots of deviations from the main openers. After the first game, Ding mentioned that he is somehow feeling overwhelmed by the whole situation and there had been a wave of emotions on his part. I do think that these contribute to his overall mentally on this match which led to his loss on game 2.

Though this may be the case, I expect the games further to be more interesting since Ding has to play for the win. He cannot rely on main lines and short-draws as he needs to create imbalances on the position and play solid chess from now on as his back is against the wall right now.

[KTChampions]

Already the second game of the match for the chess crown turned out to be productive and Nepomniachtchi won with black against Ding Liren.
What do you guys think - the outcome of the match is already a foregone conclusion? There have been very few cases in history when the balance of power has been reversed at this stage. Even taking into account that Nepomniachtchi can be unstable, I would rather believe that Ding Liren will completely fall apart (instability in difficult conditions is also his property) than that he can make a comeback.

With the very unfortunate loss of Ding, I think games from now on would be more interesting as we can expect lots of deviations from the main openers. After the first game, Ding mentioned that he is somehow feeling overwhelmed by the whole situation and there had been a wave of emotions on his part. I do think that these contribute to his overall mentally on this match which led to his loss on game 2.

Though this may be the case, I expect the games further to be more interesting since Ding has to play for the win. He cannot rely on main lines and short-draws as he needs to create imbalances on the position and play solid chess from now on as his back is against the wall right now.

Judging by his result in the grandmaster tournament in Wijk aan Zee, where Dinh Liren completely failed and took 3rd place from the bottom of the tournament table, he has little chance in "open" chess. Now a few draws would just be very beneficial for him, because maybe he would gain confidence and the will to endure and wait for Nepomniachtchi's mistakes. If now he goes into sharp positions and loses at least one more game, then the match can be considered completed. It would be an early risk.

[wildan88]

The world championship is officially underway, but it's hard to take it very seriously. It's like organizing a World Cup without France and without Brazil. Because this year at the world chess championship Magnus Carlsen is missing, who himself did not feel like participating. The cause is not entirely known to me, but it seems that he no longer has any motivation to play another match because he would find the opposition too low. Somewhere understandable, but how are you going to tackle that problem? You could also see it as an achievement in itself and also as a challenge to continue to maintain this level that he is now called. And these players are ranked 2nd and 3rd in the world, right? Those aren't cookie cutters.

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The world championship is officially underway, but it's hard to take it very seriously. It's like organizing a World Cup without France and without Brazil. Because this year at the world chess championship Magnus Carlsen is missing, who himself did not feel like participating. The cause is not entirely known to me, but it seems that he no longer has any motivation to play another match because he would find the opposition too low. Somewhere understandable, but how are you going to tackle that problem? You could also see it as an achievement in itself and also as a challenge to continue to maintain this level that he is now called. And these players are ranked 2nd and 3rd in the world, right? Those aren't cookie cutters.

The ambition seems to be gone at Carlsen. But that incident with Hans Niemann could also have something to do with it. I'm not saying it is, but it could be. Since that incident, Carlsen has emphatically indicated that he no longer finds playing a World Cup match interesting. He would only be interested in a World Cup match if his opponent would be Firouzja. Understandable, because that is perhaps the greatest talent, but can you demand that kind of thing as a world champion? In advance it is actually an exaggerated luxury that as a champion you only have to play the final, we don't see that tournament formula coming back in any other sport.

[KTChampions]

The world championship is officially underway, but it's hard to take it very seriously. It's like organizing a World Cup without France and without Brazil. Because this year at the world chess championship Magnus Carlsen is missing, who himself did not feel like participating. The cause is not entirely known to me, but it seems that he no longer has any motivation to play another match because he would find the opposition too low. Somewhere understandable, but how are you going to tackle that problem? You could also see it as an achievement in itself and also as a challenge to continue to maintain this level that he is now called. And these players are ranked 2nd and 3rd in the world, right? Those aren't cookie cutters.

Bullshit. If a player does not have the physical or psychological strength to fight for the title, then this only means that he is weaker than the contenders. You can fantasize as much as you like on the topic "how he would win another match for the chess crown", but he turned out to be so weak that he could not even start it. Whether you like it or not, there are two strongest chess players in the match right now.

[KTChampions]

Match for the title of world champion - 2023. Fourth game:

Ding Liren 1:0 Ian Nepomniachtchi

An unexpected victory for Liren which equalizes the position of both players. We can say that everything was decided by Nepomniachtchi's single mistake, but that doesn't matter anymore. Nepomniachtchi is very lucky that tomorrow is a day off and there will be no game - he is famous for his emotional instability and I would not be surprised if, after one lost game, he lost the second. Now he has time to recover.

[qwertyup23]

Match for the title of world champion - 2023. Fourth game:

Ding Liren 1:0 Ian Nepomniachtchi

An unexpected victory for Liren which equalizes the position of both players. We can say that everything was decided by Nepomniachtchi's single mistake, but that doesn't matter anymore. Nepomniachtchi is very lucky that tomorrow is a day off and there will be no game - he is famous for his emotional instability and I would not be surprised if, after one lost game, he lost the second. Now he has time to recover.

You can see that on the exchange sacrifice with the rook, you can see Ding's hand shaking when he took that knight. You can clearly see the pressure among these players since a single mistake can cost you the whole game. I was not expecting Ian to lose on the fourth game but he definitely miscalculated when he placed his knight back.

Both players have a point respectively and they will become more careful with the games from now on. At the end of the day, I am rooting for Ding to win this title!

[KTChampions]

Match for the title of world champion - 2023. Fourth game:

Ding Liren 1:0 Ian Nepomniachtchi

An unexpected victory for Liren which equalizes the position of both players. We can say that everything was decided by Nepomniachtchi's single mistake, but that doesn't matter anymore. Nepomniachtchi is very lucky that tomorrow is a day off and there will be no game - he is famous for his emotional instability and I would not be surprised if, after one lost game, he lost the second. Now he has time to recover.

You can see that on the exchange sacrifice with the rook, you can see Ding's hand shaking when he took that knight. You can clearly see the pressure among these players since a single mistake can cost you the whole game. I was not expecting Ian to lose on the fourth game but he definitely miscalculated when he placed his knight back.

Both players have a point respectively and they will become more careful with the games from now on. At the end of the day, I am rooting for Ding to win this title!

Today Nepomniachtchi won again  I am surprised by such performance in games - usually at the level of grandmasters, draws are almost 80-90 percent, but here out of 5 games 3 turned out to be productive.
By the way, why are you rooting for Ding? If judged strictly formally, he is a cheater and got into the Candidates Tournament in a fraudulent way. I think it would be very unpleasant if he became a world champion.

[qwertyup23]

Match for the title of world champion - 2023. Fourth game:

Ding Liren 1:0 Ian Nepomniachtchi

An unexpected victory for Liren which equalizes the position of both players. We can say that everything was decided by Nepomniachtchi's single mistake, but that doesn't matter anymore. Nepomniachtchi is very lucky that tomorrow is a day off and there will be no game - he is famous for his emotional instability and I would not be surprised if, after one lost game, he lost the second. Now he has time to recover.

You can see that on the exchange sacrifice with the rook, you can see Ding's hand shaking when he took that knight. You can clearly see the pressure among these players since a single mistake can cost you the whole game. I was not expecting Ian to lose on the fourth game but he definitely miscalculated when he placed his knight back.

Both players have a point respectively and they will become more careful with the games from now on. At the end of the day, I am rooting for Ding to win this title!

Today Nepomniachtchi won again  I am surprised by such performance in games - usually at the level of grandmasters, draws are almost 80-90 percent, but here out of 5 games 3 turned out to be productive.
By the way, why are you rooting for Ding? If judged strictly formally, he is a cheater and got into the Candidates Tournament in a fraudulent way. I think it would be very unpleasant if he became a world champion.

Ohh I think calling him a cheater is very unfair- he qualified for the candidates due to Karjakin's ban from participating in this year's candidate so under the rules, he is the "substitute" for his place. Still, Ding was around top 3 when the candidates happened and calling him a "cheater" is very uncalled for.

Well, the game ended with Nepo winning this match. I really like what Giri mentioned during the commentating of the game in which he explained that playing with the black pieces is more difficult than white. You have to prepare for all kinds of preparations while white may play any kind of preparation to his liking.

Furthermore, I do think that this year's WC match contained more wins compared to past WC matches that happened.

[KTChampions]

Today Nepomniachtchi won again  I am surprised by such performance in games - usually at the level of grandmasters, draws are almost 80-90 percent, but here out of 5 games 3 turned out to be productive.
By the way, why are you rooting for Ding? If judged strictly formally, he is a cheater and got into the Candidates Tournament in a fraudulent way. I think it would be very unpleasant if he became a world champion.

Ohh I think calling him a cheater is very unfair- he qualified for the candidates due to Karjakin's ban from participating in this year's candidate so under the rules, he is the "substitute" for his place. Still, Ding was around top 3 when the candidates happened and calling him a "cheater" is very uncalled for.

Well, the game ended with Nepo winning this match. I really like what Giri mentioned during the commentating of the game in which he explained that playing with the black pieces is more difficult than white. You have to prepare for all kinds of preparations while white may play any kind of preparation to his liking.

Furthermore, I do think that this year's WC match contained more wins compared to past WC matches that happened.

He cheated not in this. FIDE has certain criteria according to which a chess player must have at least 30 classical games for a certain period (a little less than a year), otherwise he is not allowed to the tournament. Ding cheated and in just a month and made himself statistics in dummy intra-Chinese tournaments to meet this criterion. This is an obvious scam and I do not see what can be discussed here.

[qwertyup23]

Today Nepomniachtchi won again   I am surprised by such performance in games - usually at the level of grandmasters, draws are almost 80-90 percent, but here out of 5 games 3 turned out to be productive.
By the way, why are you rooting for Ding? If judged strictly formally, he is a cheater and got into the Candidates Tournament in a fraudulent way. I think it would be very unpleasant if he became a world champion.

Ohh I think calling him a cheater is very unfair- he qualified for the candidates due to Karjakin's ban from participating in this year's candidate so under the rules, he is the "substitute" for his place. Still, Ding was around top 3 when the candidates happened and calling him a "cheater" is very uncalled for.

Well, the game ended with Nepo winning this match. I really like what Giri mentioned during the commentating of the game in which he explained that playing with the black pieces is more difficult than white. You have to prepare for all kinds of preparations while white may play any kind of preparation to his liking.

Furthermore, I do think that this year's WC match contained more wins compared to past WC matches that happened.

He cheated not in this. FIDE has certain criteria according to which a chess player must have at least 30 classical games for a certain period (a little less than a year), otherwise he is not allowed to the tournament. Ding cheated and in just a month and made himself statistics in dummy intra-Chinese tournaments to meet this criterion. This is an obvious scam and I do not see what can be discussed here.

In choosing for the candidates, FIDE established a criteria in order to choose players that can and will participate in the tournament for the WC Championship. You already said it:

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a player must have at least 30 classical games for a certain period (a little less than a year)

-in which Ding was able to achieve in the time frame given by FIDE. Though you argued that he cheated since he accomplished this within less than a month, then FIDE should have called this and prohibited him from participating in this event and mentioned that such practice is PROHIBITED.

Again, alleging that Ding cheated just because he was able to complete 30 classical games in a month is just outrageous. If there was a problem with it, then FIDE should have looked into it, in which they did not. Perhaps this is not cheating perse but a loophole that Ding was able to capitalize on that FIDE had no problem with.

[KTChampions]

He cheated not in this. FIDE has certain criteria according to which a chess player must have at least 30 classical games for a certain period (a little less than a year), otherwise he is not allowed to the tournament. Ding cheated and in just a month and made himself statistics in dummy intra-Chinese tournaments to meet this criterion. This is an obvious scam and I do not see what can be discussed here.

In choosing for the candidates, FIDE established a criteria in order to choose players that can and will participate in the tournament for the WC Championship. You already said it:

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a player must have at least 30 classical games for a certain period (a little less than a year)

-in which Ding was able to achieve in the time frame given by FIDE. Though you argued that he cheated since he accomplished this within less than a month, then FIDE should have called this and prohibited him from participating in this event and mentioned that such practice is PROHIBITED.

Again, alleging that Ding cheated just because he was able to complete 30 classical games in a month is just outrageous. If there was a problem with it, then FIDE should have looked into it, in which they did not. Perhaps this is not cheating perse but a loophole that Ding was able to capitalize on that FIDE had no problem with.

I wonder what can be outrageous about the facts? He participated in fake tournaments and the fact that FIDE did not take any steps to punish it does not change anything. I hope you don't need special instructions or a chef's degree to not eat shit if it's served as a cake?
He seems to have played 28 games in 30 days, three tournaments (allegedly they were, no one has seen evidence)  If you are ready to believe it and pretend that "everything is fine" then this is just disrespect for other chess players and good manners in general.

In the meantime, the next game turned out to be productive (what kind of clown indicators?) and, unfortunately, equality again and the chinese cheater has a chance for the crown 

[yayayo]

It is a show game as several top players have already indicated. Organizing a World Cup without the best player in the world and perhaps the best chess player of all time. Can you still take a title seriously? The exact reason for Carlsen also seems to be unknown as to why he doesn't want to play a game. In December he also became world champion in speed chess and rapid chess. So he is undisputedly the best player at the moment. I especially see Firouzja as a potential world champion, both play a lot of blitz games against each other online with varying outcomes.

ya.ya.yo!

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It is a show game as several top players have already indicated. Organizing a World Cup without the best player in the world and perhaps the best chess player of all time. Can you still take a title seriously? The exact reason for Carlsen also seems to be unknown as to why he doesn't want to play a game. In December he also became world champion in speed chess and rapid chess. So he is undisputedly the best player at the moment. I especially see Firouzja as a potential world champion, both play a lot of blitz games against each other online with varying outcomes.

ya.ya.yo!

Carlsen is someone who really likes the game of chess. He is also the very best, and at certain tournaments you can still collect a lot of money as a world champion. Prices are in stark contrast to other individual sports, but there are also sports that are less paid of course. Carlsen may have wanted to make some kind of statement to FIDE (world chess federation) that he disagrees with the current tournament format. Carlsen himself thinks it is much more fun and better to play an entire tournament, even if you are the reigning world champion.

[safari88]

Carlsen is the number 1 in the world, but Ding Liren and Ian Nepominachi are also very good players. If I'm not mistaken, those are the numbers 2 and 3 of the world ranking, so they can definitely decide in their favor in a confrontation with Carlsen. What is striking so far is that few draws have been played. Only 1 time and both managed to win 2x and then of course also lose 2x. Then the question is who can take it now. I think the game can go either way and we don't have a favorite for this game. But in chess, even a small mistake can mean a disastrous defeat. Also at this level of the World Cup.

[KTChampions]

Carlsen is the number 1 in the world, but Ding Liren and Ian Nepominachi are also very good players. If I'm not mistaken, those are the numbers 2 and 3 of the world ranking, so they can definitely decide in their favor in a confrontation with Carlsen. What is striking so far is that few draws have been played. Only 1 time and both managed to win 2x and then of course also lose 2x. Then the question is who can take it now. I think the game can go either way and we don't have a favorite for this game. But in chess, even a small mistake can mean a disastrous defeat. Also at this level of the World Cup.

Carlsen may be number 1 in the rankings, in other tournaments, etc., but since he cannot/does not want to fight for the title of world chess champion, he is, by definition, weaker than those who want and can.

Nepomniachtchi won again in the 7th game of the match and took the lead again. Phenomenal performance. Very strange behavior from Ding Liren who managed to get into a severe time trouble, although this is classical chess and this happens less often than in other game formats.