SCAM EXCHANGE: Openchange (Openchange.cash) (PARTIALLY SOLVED)

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Openchange.cash is asking for identity verification data. I do not see they have a registered company. If they are not legally registered then how a client will send their ID to them?

How authentic these reviews are? I feel negatives were not displayed but only the positive reviews are there.



This is interesting. Some high ranked website including bitcointalk logo but the image link is taking you to the index page.

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[dkbit98]

Sounds like OpenChange need to come clean here and tell OP which third party service is currently holding his coins ransom.

Did anyone ever saw any of their team members in bitcointalk forum?
I doubt they will register here and explain anything, but there is still hope to get this information via BestChange forum members.

I would be asking for the results of the audit so he can independently verify how they have decided that mixed coins are "100% stolen", since that is clearly and provably incorrect.

I can't wait to see this ''audit'' 

How authentic these reviews are? I feel negatives were not displayed but only the positive reviews are there.

This is standard practice with most websites and services, they only show positive feedback with questionable history.
For example, I know ledger model X hardware wallet had many complains from customers (battery, firmware issues, etc), but if you check their reviews page it has almost perfect score:
https://shop.ledger.com/products/ledger-nano-x?view=reviews

[Janyiah201]

I got 90% back. First post updated. I'm tired and done with this shit.

[LoyceV]

UPDATE:

A couple of days after public posts, threats that I will expose their previous wrongdoings, their use of fake identities and everything else that I have found, and proved them that I do have some info, like names and addresses of their Australian Paypal accounts, that I will report them to every hosting, domain registrar, etc. they accepted to process my exchange after answering a few questions, without KYC, but to keep 10% as fee because transaction is high risk.
So, I got 90% back.

So, now the scammers gladly took 0.0256BTC of funds that are, as they claim, "Stolen 100.00%"? This has nothing to do with AML, it's a plain scam. They just didn't like the attention this case got.

@Best_Change: what's your stance on doing business with a "company" (which looks like nothing more than an email address) that takes "stolen" money?

[LoyceV]

I also noticed they just added ToS where they can take 10% for "high risk fund" which didn't exist few days ago (unfortunately i didn't archive it).

I noticed that 10% BS a few days ago already. I'm not sure if they quickly added it.
They're basically saying they can selectively scam 10% of any deposit. @Best_Change are you delisting them now?

[ABCbits]

I also noticed they just added ToS where they can take 10% for "high risk fund" which didn't exist few days ago (unfortunately i didn't archive it).

I noticed that 10% BS a few days ago already. I'm not sure if they quickly added it.
They're basically saying they can selectively scam 10% of any deposit.

That' weird, i remember it doesn't exist few days ago (should be July 1st). But it's definitely not exist a year ago according to the archive, https://web.archive.org/web/20210613120712/https://openchange.cash/t%D0%B5rms_of_service/

@Best_Change are you delisting them now?

I also wonder why old message disappear on https://www.bestchange.com/openchange-exchanger.html gone.

[JollyGood]

I have mixed feelings about this. You have received 90% of your funds back but they have effectively confiscated 10% for reasons that cannot be justified. I hope you do not give up and continue chasing them for the 10% they stole.

Why are Best Change associating themselves with shady exchanges? If it were not for Best Change you would probably not have have found the Openchange website.

I got 90% back. First post updated. I'm tired and done with this shit.

[dkbit98]

A couple of days after public posts, threats that I will expose their previous wrongdoings, their use of fake identities and everything else that I have found, and proved them that I do have some info, like names and addresses of their Australian Paypal accounts, that I will report them to every hosting, domain registrar, etc. they accepted to process my exchange after answering a few questions, without KYC, but to keep 10% as fee because transaction is high risk.
So, I got 90% back.

I never heard of any exchange that is charging extortion fees like this  
It's better than nothing, but did openchange returned your Bitcoin from the same address you sent them, or they used some different address?
For me it's obvious all their ''high risk''kyc transaction talk fee is bs, and they are using this as an excuse to make extra shady profit from their customers aka stealing.

I also noticed they just added ToS where they can take 10% for "high risk fund" which didn't exist few days ago (unfortunately i didn't archive it).

They can't retroactively change terms like this and steal 10% from people like they did from Janyiah201...
This scam exchange should get blacklisted, everyone should avoid using it, and BestChange needs to have this information seen on their website feedback.

[stompix]

I also noticed they just added ToS where they can take 10% for "high risk fund" which didn't exist few days ago (unfortunately i didn't archive it).

I noticed that 10% BS a few days ago already. I'm not sure if they quickly added it.
They're basically saying they can selectively scam 10% of any deposit.

That' weird, i remember it doesn't exist few days ago (should be July 1st). But it's definitely not exist a year ago according to the archive, https://web.archive.org/web/20210613120712/https://openchange.cash/t%D0%B5rms_of_service/

Just laughing at those ToS

7.3 If the analysis of the Payin transaction revealed the presence of these types of high-risk funds and their total percentage was 40% or more, the Company has the right to withhold 10% of the amount of the incoming transaction.
7.4 If the total risk of the incoming transaction is 70% or more, the Company has the right to withhold 10% of the amount of the Payin transaction.

So basically if the funds seems to be stolen they are charging a 10% money laundering fee.
I can't wait, hope I don't have to go to discord to see how the wanna-be lawyer saxydev is going to explain how this 10% is a requirement by directive 69 of the FY constitution.

9. Other terms.
9.1 It is forbidden to use the OpenChange Company for fraudulent and illegal transactions.

Wait, so if it's forbidden, then why do you accept them and take your 10% money laundering share? 

Openchange.me tracks suspicious transactions of the clients and transactions executed under nonstandard conditions. Openchange.me performs its action on the base of AML FATF recommendations.

And releases them after taking a 10% cut.
At this point, there is nothing left to debate, scammers, law breakers, liars, so I'm waiting to see bestchange next move...

 

[LoyceV]

I also wonder why old message disappear on https://www.bestchange.com/openchange-exchanger.html gone.

That's a very good question for @Best_Change to answer! Now we can't even see the original posts anymore, including opening and closing the same complaint about 20 times. And that makes me wonder how many other complaints have been censored on BestChange.com by removed posts!

did openchange returned your Bitcoin from the same address you sent them, or they used some different address?

OP paid from this address, which didn't receive anything back. The exchange moved the funds in this transaction, to an address that has received a total of 52145.32510318 BTC. And with that, the "100% stolen" BS story is completely forgotten.

Wait, so if it's forbidden, then why do you accept them and take your 10% money laundering share? 

Lol. Saul Goodman charges 17%.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I also wonder why old message disappear on https://www.bestchange.com/openchange-exchanger.html gone.

That's a very good question for @Best_Change to answer! Now we can't even see the original posts anymore, including opening and closing the same complaint about 20 times. And that makes me wonder how many other complaints have been censored on BestChange.com by removed posts!

For this particular exchange, this means when a new visitor who has no idea what happened for the last few days visits BestChange. He see all the positive reviews for Openchange.cash. It's all fresh for him. He decides to send coins from mixer to the exchange. After another long conversation Openchange.cash refunds 90% and keep 10% (fee or penalty). This is nice business.

[saxydev]

I also wonder why old message disappear on https://www.bestchange.com/openchange-exchanger.html gone.

That's a very good question for @Best_Change to answer! Now we can't even see the original posts anymore, including opening and closing the same complaint about 20 times. And that makes me wonder how many other complaints have been censored on BestChange.com by removed posts!

did openchange returned your Bitcoin from the same address you sent them, or they used some different address?

OP paid from this address, which didn't receive anything back. The exchange moved the funds in this transaction, to an address that has received a total of 52145.32510318 BTC. And with that, the "100% stolen" BS story is completely forgotten.

Wait, so if it's forbidden, then why do you accept them and take your 10% money laundering share?  

Lol. Saul Goodman charges 17%.

This address with 52k btc received is owned by whitebit

[n0nce]

UPDATE:

A couple of days after public posts, threats that I will expose their previous wrongdoings, their use of fake identities and everything else that I have found, and proved them that I do have some info, like names and addresses of their Australian Paypal accounts, that I will report them to every hosting, domain registrar, etc. they accepted to process my exchange after answering a few questions, without KYC, but to keep 10% as fee because transaction is high risk.
So, I got 90% back.

Just to let everyone know, they have at least one more site: imexchanger.pro

I'm finished here.

Thanks for the update!
Honestly, if you do have evidence and info about them that they don't want to be public; since you got those 90% already, why not use that information to get the last 10%? I'm not saying you should do this, but hypothetically, if they don't return the full amount, you could just deliver on those threats. At that point it's their choice, right.

I will also add imexchanger to my blacklist! How did you link that site to openchange?

I also wonder why old message disappear on https://www.bestchange.com/openchange-exchanger.html gone.

That's a very good question for @Best_Change to answer! Now we can't even see the original posts anymore, including opening and closing the same complaint about 20 times. And that makes me wonder how many other complaints have been censored on BestChange.com by removed posts!

For this particular exchange, this means when a new visitor who has no idea what happened for the last few days visits BestChange. He see all the positive reviews for Openchange.cash. It's all fresh for him. He decides to send coins from mixer to the exchange. After another long conversation Openchange.cash refunds 90% and keep 10% (fee or penalty). This is nice business.

Yeah, this is absolute bullshit from BestChange. Their reputation is now destroyed, in my eyes, after this course of action with openchange. I don't understand what they have to gain from this; it's not even like openchange is a big business partner; they have dozens of exchanges on their site.

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Like: how do they just cancel a claim, just because the user went out of their way to find doxxable evidence and got part of the money back? This is not how reviews work. I read through Amazon 1-star reviews, where people update about e.g. having received a full refund, but still leave the review on 1 star, since the product was simply bad. Those aren't turned into 5 star reviews (or deleted) by Amazon, after the company refunding the crappy item.

[dragonvslinux]

Just laughing at those ToS

7.3 If the analysis of the Payin transaction revealed the presence of these types of high-risk funds and their total percentage was 40% or more, the Company has the right to withhold 10% of the amount of the incoming transaction.
7.4 If the total risk of the incoming transaction is 70% or more, the Company has the right to withhold 10% of the amount of the Payin transaction.

So basically if the funds seems to be stolen they are charging a 10% money laundering fee.

Wow, you read something new everyday. Can't believe they actually sent 90% back after they were successfully exorted

At this point, there is nothing left to debate, scammers, law breakers, liars, so I'm waiting to see bestchange next move...

But now I'm curious if they actually laundered the money. Did they send back 10% of his funds, or 10% of some other higher-risk funds?
With their ToS update sounds like they worked out that they could be onto something here, instead of simply refusing mixed funds...

[aew]

I got 90% back. First post updated. I'm tired and done with this shit.

Get the remaining 10% from Bestchange who referred you to that Exchange.
For sure they got a lot of commission as referral revenue from the exchange by letting the exchange remove the bad reviews and let the good ones.
 

[examplens]

I got 90% back. First post updated. I'm tired and done with this shit.

Get the remaining 10% from Bestchange who referred you to that Exchange.
For sure they got a lot of commission as referral revenue from the exchange by letting the exchange remove the bad reviews and let the good ones.
 

Who says that BestChange referred them to this exchanger?
Is not possible that he reached that exchanger directly and not using Bestchange service, in the end, I didn't see in the first post that he stressed something like that.

[Poker Player]

I got 90% back. First post updated. I'm tired and done with this shit.

Get the remaining 10% from Bestchange who referred you to that Exchange.
For sure they got a lot of commission as referral revenue from the exchange by letting the exchange remove the bad reviews and let the good ones.
 

Who says that BestChange referred them to this exchanger?
Is not possible that he reached that exchanger directly and not using Bestchange service, in the end, I didn't see in the first post that he stressed something like that.

It is possible, but that Best Change still has that scam site on their list does not look good to me. Regardless of whether they referred the OP or not.

A site that only provides an email address, freezes funds and upon protests only returns 90% is a scam, and within the detailed explanations Best Change has given on many other topics, he has not gone into this one.

[examplens]

It is possible, but that Best Change still has that scam site on their list does not look good to me. Regardless of whether I referred the OP or not.

A site that only provides an email address, freezes funds and upon protests only returns 90% is a scam, and within the detailed explanations Best Change has given on many other topics, he has not gone into this one.

yes, you are all right. the Openchange site and everything I found on it does not inspire confidence in me, in my personal assessment, there are many more parameters to treat them as a scam, than as a trustworthy exchanger.
I am of the opinion that they must be removed from BestChange monitoring, if nothing, due to the 10% retention. that is theft.

My previous comment is a reply to @aew, who reaches into someone else's pocket and decides how the money will be distributed.

[aew]

I got 90% back. First post updated. I'm tired and done with this shit.

Get the remaining 10% from Bestchange who referred you to that Exchange.
For sure they got a lot of commission as referral revenue from the exchange by letting the exchange remove the bad reviews and let the good ones.
 

Who says that BestChange referred them to this exchanger?
Is not possible that he reached that exchanger directly and not using Bestchange service, in the end, I didn't see in the first post that he stressed something like that.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404706.0
Maybe you can see in this post here then.
It's the same OP right ? Se day of opening scam accusation against the Exchange he opened against Bestchange
 Also let's say he didn't find  the Exchange from your site.
Still read that other post whatever there it's true.  
I even did try by my self and  Exchangers allowed to leave bad reviews and leave the good ones.

Oh wait you wearing Bestchange signature so .... What will you say rather than argue in a side thing to leave the whole point.

Btw : Bestchange representative admit to allowing Exchanges rove bad claims automatically. So go ahead argue about side things
If I wear signature if a business with bad business practices I will feel stupid too.

[o_e_l_e_o]

OpenChange is a scam. That much is clear. What is yet to be seen is how BestChange address this issue, and the wider issues with their site that it has revealed (e.g. their feedback system).