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July 05, 2022, 06:03:48 AM
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- Would you blame an individual who becomes addicted to gambling because it is wired to his DNA?

-Can their gambling problem be put in check by regular methods?

-Will the addiction be worse than someone who picked up the habit?

Playing the "blame game" isn't a constructive approach that would help in solving the problem. Trying to help a person is better than blaming him/her or his/her possible DNA inheritance.
I don't think that gambling addiction is genetically inherited. What gets genetically inherited is the ability to fall into different kinds of addictions, because the brain is craving different hormones like dopamine. Those hormones have lower production in some people, who have a particular genetic code.
What do you mean by "regular methods"? We should ask a psychic doctor, who is an expert in dealing with gambling addictions.
This topic requires expertise that we don't have.

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July 05, 2022, 06:19:03 AM
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Gambling can be genetic and passed on to offspring, but I have noticed that females are not addicted as male when it comes to gambling and that gives me doubt about it, or maybe that is how it is in my region, men are most into gambling. Or maybe the gene is more concentrated in men than women.

No one can blame addicts, but any bad deeds done by them can be punished. The more fact we need is that addiction is not good, it can lead to a kind of life someone do not wish for himself, the reason we should use just the amount of money we can afford to lose and nothing more than that.

Women are inherently less risk averse. 

Women are the keepers of the most valuable and well-established useful qualities necessary for the survival of the human race. 

Men are by nature explorers and experimenters.  There are many morons among men, but also many geniuses.  In essence, the male is an experimental laboratory for testing various life strategies that may be useful for the survival of the human population. 

The propensity to gamble and risk, as a quality of character, can also be a useful quality in terms of evolution.

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July 05, 2022, 06:26:11 AM
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Addiction can’t be inherit, its not on the genes and you can have the choice either to gamble or not.
I used to see my parents playing some game cards in our locals, but look at me now I’m not a gambler that much and I only play occasionally so I really think this is still your choice and not because of someones genes. Gambling is something that you can learn because of money, and nothing more.
Yeah . like my stand in second page this cannot be inherited instead this can be passed by teaching them directly or indirectly , meaning that those people who thought being inherit the gambling mostly learn from them , sometimes when seeing them plays or hearing them talking about gambling and this influenced them to try or pursue the gambling world.

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July 05, 2022, 06:49:15 AM
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- Would you blame an individual who becomes addicted to gambling because it is wired to his DNA?

-Can their gambling problem be put in check by regular methods?

-Will the addiction be worse than someone who picked up the habit?

Playing the "blame game" isn't a constructive approach that would help in solving the problem. Trying to help a person is better than blaming him/her or his/her possible DNA inheritance.
I don't think that gambling addiction is genetically inherited. What gets genetically inherited is the ability to fall into different kinds of addictions, because the brain is craving different hormones like dopamine. Those hormones have lower production in some people, who have a particular genetic code.
What do you mean by "regular methods"? We should ask a psychic doctor, who is an expert in dealing with gambling addictions.
This topic requires expertise that we don't have.

The value of helping a person instead of blaming that genes, if that is possible, is more important.

If it's for real that the DNA of the gambler can be genetically transfer the only thing that can be done is to help the person and
not to let him feel that it's a fault that he falls into this addiction.

Like what you said, it's something that expert doctors can treat and with them guiding the person, it's more possible
to treat and save a person's future.
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July 05, 2022, 07:13:37 AM
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exactly as you said, women prefer safe options and this is reinforced by many theses from experts. Not only for gambling, the behaviors inherited from our ancestors pass on the genes to the next generation including any addiction. and it's true that anything in excess is not good especially for gambling. as others have said just play for fun with money you can afford to lose.
But even though we inherit the gambler gene from our ancestors, if we have a strong desire to stay away from gambling, I don't think we will be affected by the temptation and we can even stay away from it.
Besides, we will not become addicted because we already have good self-control in playing gambling so we know how to treat gambling properly and well.
And if we play gambling, we will only have fun with enough money and can stop if we feel we have had enough fun.
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July 05, 2022, 09:24:38 AM
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exactly as you said, women prefer safe options and this is reinforced by many theses from experts. Not only for gambling, the behaviors inherited from our ancestors pass on the genes to the next generation including any addiction. and it's true that anything in excess is not good especially for gambling. as others have said just play for fun with money you can afford to lose.
But even though we inherit the gambler gene from our ancestors, if we have a strong desire to stay away from gambling, I don't think we will be affected by the temptation and we can even stay away from it.

I agree, that righteous virtue and strong willpower can counter the gene defect of being easily attracted to gambling. 

Besides, we will not become addicted because we already have good self-control in playing gambling so we know how to treat gambling properly and well.
And if we play gambling, we will only have fun with enough money and can stop if we feel we have had enough fun.

I bet this kind of scenario needs a lot of training and self-control practice. Aside from that, the person should be guided at a very young age so that parents can easily mindset their children that gambling if not controlled can do them no good.

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July 05, 2022, 09:25:20 AM
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I believe that even if a person has a genetic predisposition to gambling, it is not a particular problem because a person can control his actions and refrain from negative experiences.

In my opinion we choose our own destiny and what to do in life. If a gambler blames his losses on his genes, most likely he is afraid to admit his mistakes and tries to blame someone else for his mistakes.

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July 05, 2022, 09:41:51 AM
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I believe that even if a person has a genetic predisposition to gambling, it is not a particular problem because a person can control his actions and refrain from negative experiences.

In my opinion we choose our own destiny and what to do in life. If a gambler blames his losses on his genes, most likely he is afraid to admit his mistakes and tries to blame someone else for his mistakes.

Make sense, but IMO it's not really on the genes. It is when a child witnesses how their parents gambles regularly like it's a normal thing for them that is a part of their daily grind. It will instill in their young minds and will eventually develop into a habit and worse gambling addiction.
So, yeah it is us who chooses our fate on whether or not we engage into gambling excessively.

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July 05, 2022, 10:25:11 AM
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I believe that even if a person has a genetic predisposition to gambling, it is not a particular problem because a person can control his actions and refrain from negative experiences.

In my opinion we choose our own destiny and what to do in life. If a gambler blames his losses on his genes, most likely he is afraid to admit his mistakes and tries to blame someone else for his mistakes.

Make sense, but IMO it's not really on the genes. It is when a child witnesses how their parents gambles regularly like it's a normal thing for them that is a part of their daily grind. It will instill in their young minds and will eventually develop into a habit and worse gambling addiction.
So, yeah it is us who chooses our fate on whether or not we engage into gambling excessively.
I also have the same stand on this, it is a matter of how we learn gambling from our elders ,  in this we inherit the gambling by them teaching us how to gamble and not in the bloodline ,
this is not something we can inherit in terms of passing thru generation without our consent .
so maybe it happens because of the elders not concern if we will be a gambler also like them or not , so lets use this as lesson for our youngsters not to become in our kind.









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July 05, 2022, 10:39:44 AM
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I believe that even if a person has a genetic predisposition to gambling, it is not a particular problem because a person can control his actions and refrain from negative experiences.

In my opinion we choose our own destiny and what to do in life. If a gambler blames his losses on his genes, most likely he is afraid to admit his mistakes and tries to blame someone else for his mistakes.

I would not say that. In fact everything we do is controlled by the actions of the chemicals in our brain. The illusion of control is completely false and arbitrary. So whenever I hear of addiction, primarily gambling addiction, to stay on topic, I do not believe that the mentioned gambler can control his actions and refrain from negative experiences as much as some people believe that he can.

As I said in a previous post, its all really boiled down to brain chemicals and brain dysfunctions which, if you are unlucky, result in lifetime gambling addictions which do not go away with simple self help or "strict self discipline".

So saying we choose our own destiny is kind of a trap. People who need help get ignored because others perceive it as "their own fault" even though its not really.

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July 05, 2022, 11:43:52 AM
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I think, in general, it's harder for people to stop their addiction when it's genetic. Most of the time, they will always come back to what makes them happy or what makes them feel fulfilled or something. It will be hard to overcome that, but that's just how you will know how strong the person is with willpower.

Comparing them to someone who has just gotten into the habit it's doing it is challenging. I think there's no significant difference.

Maybe there is no difference because such an addiction is in everyone's DNA. Some have a stronger predisposition, others a weaker one, but the principle behind gambling is the same for every person. It's like the taste buds on your tongue. Gambling affects the same areas of the brain. It's just that not all people engage in gambling. But research shows roughly the same pattern of pathology in addicts.

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July 05, 2022, 02:00:51 PM
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I believe that even if a person has a genetic predisposition to gambling, it is not a particular problem because a person can control his actions and refrain from negative experiences.

In my opinion we choose our own destiny and what to do in life. If a gambler blames his losses on his genes, most likely he is afraid to admit his mistakes and tries to blame someone else for his mistakes.

This is true for the majority of gamblers, they can control their own actions and know when to stop. The problem is however when you become addicted to gambling and lose control of your own actions. It's very hard to imagine such a thing for people who have never experienced or watched an addict. For an alcoholic the rational thing would be to stop drinking, or for a drug addict to buy drugs in the first place. But the brain creates such a strong desire that they can't do anything against it. I am not saying that there is no blame for people with an addiction, it's not the result of a bad gene, they should have been more responsible in the beginning. Once the addiction becomes too strong it's almost impossible to fight it alone, professional help is needed to get the life back in order.
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July 05, 2022, 04:53:15 PM
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I believe that even if a person has a genetic predisposition to gambling, it is not a particular problem because a person can control his actions and refrain from negative experiences.

In my opinion we choose our own destiny and what to do in life. If a gambler blames his losses on his genes, most likely he is afraid to admit his mistakes and tries to blame someone else for his mistakes.

Make sense, but IMO it's not really on the genes. It is when a child witnesses how their parents gambles regularly like it's a normal thing for them that is a part of their daily grind. It will instill in their young minds and will eventually develop into a habit and worse gambling addiction.
So, yeah it is us who chooses our fate on whether or not we engage into gambling excessively.

Of course, almost every child unconsciously copies the behavior of his parents, but a child can become addicted to gambling even if his parents never gambled. My experience is a perfect example of this - I never saw my parents gambling, but that didn't stop me from encountering street gambling as a teenager and becoming interested in it with my peers.

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July 05, 2022, 05:07:43 PM
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As far as I know alcoholism can be transmitted on a genetic level as this disease affects genes, destroying them. You can easily notice it in families which have an alcoholic father in the head of the family and live in poverty. This is unlikely to happen with gambling as it only affects a person's psychology. So if you are into gambling it does not mean that your children will have the same hobbies.  

So I dig further and I learnt that genes can be modify and since alcohol is a combination of different chemicals if it is abused with time, it can affect the offspring, so I take back my previous example as a case study with heredity but gambling hereditary says otherwise. Although, it can be transferred from parent to children but the percentage is quite low and again, if the child stays with the addicted parents is likely to happen than when they are taken away from them. Literally, if an addicted gambler gives birth to a child and its been taken care of by another caring parent, the chance of the child becoming a gambler will be very low.

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July 05, 2022, 07:35:06 PM
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I believe that even if a person has a genetic predisposition to gambling, it is not a particular problem because a person can control his actions and refrain from negative experiences.

In my opinion we choose our own destiny and what to do in life. If a gambler blames his losses on his genes, most likely he is afraid to admit his mistakes and tries to blame someone else for his mistakes.

Make sense, but IMO it's not really on the genes. It is when a child witnesses how their parents gambles regularly like it's a normal thing for them that is a part of their daily grind. It will instill in their young minds and will eventually develop into a habit and worse gambling addiction.
So, yeah it is us who chooses our fate on whether or not we engage into gambling excessively.

My parents never gambled. I grew up in a conservative household. I don't even know how to play Solitaire up until I finished college. The people around me are upstanding citizens that never got involved in the gambling industry, yet I still managed to find my way into gambling although I was never the problematic one. Environment plays a lot in the development of children and how they act in the society. But sometimes there are outliers wherein they never got introduced to something, they just managed to learn it.

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As far as I know alcoholism can be transmitted on a genetic level as this disease affects genes, destroying them. You can easily notice it in families which have an alcoholic father in the head of the family and live in poverty. This is unlikely to happen with gambling as it only affects a person's psychology. So if you are into gambling it does not mean that your children will have the same hobbies. 

So I dig further and I learnt that genes can be modify and since alcohol is a combination of different chemicals if it is abused with time, it can affect the offspring, so I take back my previous example as a case study with heredity but gambling hereditary says otherwise. Although, it can be transferred from parent to children but the percentage is quite low and again, if the child stays with the addicted parents is likely to happen than when they are taken away from them. Literally, if an addicted gambler gives birth to a child and its been taken care of by another caring parent, the chance of the child becoming a gambler will be very low.

Alcoholism leads to several mild effects on gene expression. It doesn't completely modify the genes; it only affects how your gene is read by your body and those are two entirely different things. Say, a gene XYZ is supposed to create a protein, ABC. Suppose the person who has this XYZ gene is constantly exposed to alcohol and cigarette smoke. Your body will then conform to these new substances and introduce subtle changes. What your body transcribes as ABC will now be transcribed as ACB. Extremely subtle, but depending on the gene, can be very dangerous.

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July 05, 2022, 08:47:39 PM
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I believe that even if a person has a genetic predisposition to gambling, it is not a particular problem because a person can control his actions and refrain from negative experiences.

In my opinion we choose our own destiny and what to do in life. If a gambler blames his losses on his genes, most likely he is afraid to admit his mistakes and tries to blame someone else for his mistakes.

I would not say that. In fact everything we do is controlled by the actions of the chemicals in our brain. The illusion of control is completely false and arbitrary. So whenever I hear of addiction, primarily gambling addiction, to stay on topic, I do not believe that the mentioned gambler can control his actions and refrain from negative experiences as much as some people believe that he can.

As I said in a previous post, its all really boiled down to brain chemicals and brain dysfunctions which, if you are unlucky, result in lifetime gambling addictions which do not go away with simple self help or "strict self discipline".

So saying we choose our own destiny is kind of a trap. People who need help get ignored because others perceive it as "their own fault" even though its not really.

Good argument there, but the brain is always given more than one option and it is for the brain to decide which path to go.  We cannot deny that when we are in front of a game, our brain process whether we start playing or ignore it and do other stuff. It is our own to decide which one to go to.  But if we say your argument is absolute, then all of us will have the same result since you already nullified the option to choose our actions.
Another example is this post I am making, I am hesitant to reply to your argument but still, I decided to.  So either, I have the option to choose and I chose to reply.  The same thing with gambling, playing, or ignoring depends on whatever we decided.  BTW, if gambling addiction can't be controlled then we will be seeing all gambling addicts lose their way which isn't true because there are people who are able to manage their gambling addiction if not being cured.  I think the same thing with people who "genetically" inherited their gambling passion.  They have the option to pursue it or not.


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July 05, 2022, 09:28:15 PM
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If one person get addicted to a gambling and make a good profits if he got his/her luck then for sure he will pass to his/her new generation he will teach his/her grandson on how to play in that game or where to put their bet. In a game like boxing, basketball or any sports there's a big chance of the family that they will involve in a gambling if sports will come because we all know that sports is one of the best way of gambling.
That's not a good thing to educate and pass on the addiction to your kids.

Comparing passing on of addiction to any sports is absurd IMO. It's completely different and they're far from being compared since sports is a better habit than being addicted.

But, we don't know if there really are parents and relatives that do pass on their addictions to their little ones. That's actually no good if they've done that.

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July 05, 2022, 09:49:30 PM
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If one person get addicted to a gambling and make a good profits if he got his/her luck then for sure he will pass to his/her new generation he will teach his/her grandson on how to play in that game or where to put their bet. In a game like boxing, basketball or any sports there's a big chance of the family that they will involve in a gambling if sports will come because we all know that sports is one of the best way of gambling.
That's not a good thing to educate and pass on the addiction to your kids.

Comparing passing on of addiction to any sports is absurd IMO. It's completely different and they're far from being compared since sports is a better habit than being addicted.

But, we don't know if there really are parents and relatives that do pass on their addictions to their little ones. That's actually no good if they've done that.
Totally dumb if you do ask me on who the hell would really be tending to pass out addiction into their children if you do know that addiction could cause that financial problem?
What type or kind of parent are you if you do really have that kind of consideration on passing that shit into your children?
You would really be minding off for them about best things for them and not to those things which could potentially put their in harm.
Gambling could be gain through behavior and surroundings but it cant really be passed through DNA and i dont know on where they do get that idea.

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July 05, 2022, 11:27:07 PM
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I know we are greatly influenced by the environment we are born into and sometimes become gamblers because of where we find ourselves, i also considered the possibility of gambling being hereditary and found out that it is also possible, that is gambling can be hereditary ,
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Gambling is linked to a gene that is passed on through generations and a new study claims that it is passed on to both sons and daughters alike.
I was going to argue a lot on this as I don't agree that gambling can be genetically transferred but the study don't exactly claim that it is too. Having no specific gene for gambling simply notifies the study! Gambling is a behavioural change and this is highly influenced by our environment. Genes are traits for certain characters and depending on which one that becomes dominant on the locci of a homologous, they become expressed. Nothing ouiltosde of a gene can be transferred and not having gambling behaviour associated with a particular gene simply means, its not hereditary.

It's a behavioural change as children learns to mimic and adapt to whatever behaviour they see common around them. The study as in OP confirms that as samples were behavioural examination without conducting any experiments on genes for this behaviour.

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