Kazuto Ioka vs Donnie Nietes II

[Oilacris]

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He is actually a decent boxer with 23 knockout results over 43 wins, his only loss came from a boxer named Angky Angkotta way back in 2004 in Jakarta but that was not a bad loss either because it was a split-decision. After that, he never tasted loss again and surely that loss made him a far better boxer than he is in the year 2004. He is good but his timing was unfortunate because Donaire and Pacquiao were also reigning at the industry that time.

Whenever you do make yourself or plans to be popular then you should really strive to be more better on the current reigning via getting more belts on different divisions which MP do able to attain o reach on thats why its not surprising that boxing fans would really able to recognize such achievement specially into its fellow country mean which been proud of.I do agree that he's somewhat that unlucky that he had been fighting or building up his career on the time these two are being recognized.It would really be surely cover you up or you wont really be getting any attention
or does have less compared into those two but in overall career performance and numbers then just like what others said that it wasnt really a bad run if ever he would decide
to retire.

[Yaunfitda]

it is 72% against 27% favoring Donnie Nietes 11 .

I assume that even in His older age still People are aiming and trusting Him to win this fight?

but the sad part here is if that he losses this one , maybe he will also retire like the 2 famous Filipino Boxer that face defeat and decide for retirement.

Retiring is going to be an option for Nietes IF he losses, which I don't thin he will. If you take a look at his last fight against Reveco last year, he's still looking sharp and mixes his punch very well. Nietes is a smart boxer and an underrated one. He fought Ioka once and that gave him the edge to win the fight, and that explains the odds as well.
And that also explains why people/bettors are trusting him 100%. Being strong and smart at the same time is a formidable force.
For the records as well, he's the longest reigning Filipino world champ boxer.

True! He won't be the longest-reigning Filipino world champion if he's not that good, he's just underrated because back in his prime, Pacquiao and Donaire are more known than him. He may be aging but his experience and IQ in the ring will speak for him in the ring, particularly this time that he had already faced Ioka few years back and I also don't think that Ioka will have the advantage in this upcoming fight.

If we do look on Donnie Nietes stats.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/215599

43-1-6

Out of 43 wins it does have 23 KO's.Yes, he might lack in power but sustaining on having 1 loss out of 43 wins then this is something
that cant really be ignored.Its true that he might that not getting too much attention because of pacquiao and donaire
but this guy is already 40 which retirement would really be next in line whether he do win or loss this one.

He is actually a decent boxer with 23 knockout results over 43 wins, his only loss came from a boxer named Angky Angkotta way back in 2004 in Jakarta but that was not a bad loss either because it was a split-decision. After that, he never tasted loss again and surely that loss made him a far better boxer than he is in the year 2004. He is good but his timing was unfortunate because Donaire and Pacquiao were also reigning at the industry that time.

I guess for Filipino boxing fans his name is quiet familiar. But for casual fans, it will still be Manny Pacquiao and then Donaire. And that time, there are a lot of PH champions, who will forget Hawaiian Punch Brian Villoria?

And in that lost, Angky was over the limit, so it's not a fair fight.

Anyhow, his names should have been cemented in Filipino boxing already, and so with the other great boxers of his generation. And this winning this fight will be something extra for the great Nietes.

[freedomgo]

I follow you with your opinion, I also see the same maybe because of age Nietes will not be the same as he was but with the discipline and proper trainings before this rematch, the chance of him winning again is very possible, he and his camp though needs to review every fights that Ioka have and see what particular edge if there's some part that they can still gain the advantage.

Though, home-crowd may affect Ioka's performance and he can be more aggressive, which Nietes needs to anticipate and follow in the

right strategy to counter Ioka's attempts.

After some thought especially the place of the event, why am I thinking that Nietes is more likely to lose if ever the fight goes to score card?  I don't know but I have a biased feeling that Japanese judges would declare their boxer winner regardless of the ring performance.  So I think for Nietes to get the title, he needs to floor the champion or else there is a huge possibility that Nietes will lose the fight.

Depends on situation because if we see Nietes knock off his opponent well maybe the judges will  struggle to find some loophole to make their favored fighter to win so Nietes need to score more solid punches or much better score a good K.O to seal this fight. But I'm confident that Nietes will get this match because seeing how good and still his in good shape we can say that he's still have advantage to take the win on their match up.

There's no reason to be anxious because Nietes may not knock Ioka out (Nietes also don't have pretty KO ratio) but it's already safe to say that he will give his best when it comes to landing solid punches that will give him pretty scores compared to Ioka. The latter is much younger but their gap is not that far and this is a rematch so Nietes already know Ioka's sleeve and what he could bring this time. Nietes have also prepared well considering his age but his still rip without traces that he's already 40 years old.

7 years age gap considering that Ioka is 33 years old  which i could say that it does have some effect though but we know that Nietes had beaten him up on their first fight but somewhat does have
that split decision but still a win and that was on year 2018 which is 4 years ago. Did Ioka made out some changes? For sure he must but Nietes should really be still careful because he's not young
anymore even though he do give out solid punches but not that powerful. They would be surely fighting in terms of points? I dont see any knockouts on here and would still assume
out that it would be most likely in the same on their first fight.

Well, if Ioka managed to have some changes for improvement then I'm also sure that Nietes have also done some improvement for himself. It's been almost 4 years since these two boxers have faced in the same ring, this could be a revenge for Ioka to settle the score if he can pull a win and this could also be for Nietes to settle a 2-0 bout. Nevertheless, both of them will come prepared on the day of their fight and it will be a toe-toe-toe fight for sure.

[serjent05]

If we do look on Donnie Nietes stats.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/215599

43-1-6

Out of 43 wins it does have 23 KO's.Yes, he might lack in power but sustaining on having 1 loss out of 43 wins then this is something
that cant really be ignored.Its true that he might that not getting too much attention because of pacquiao and donaire
but this guy is already 40 which retirement would really be next in line whether he do win or loss this one.

I think the reason why he isn't as popular as Manny and Nonito is the quality of his opponent.  Boxing popularity isn't about boxing statistics only.  Donaire and Pacquiao face tough opponents not to say many of them are quite popular too.  I think we can blame Nietes promoter for that.

Anyway, it looks like another legendary Filipino boxer is about to hang his gloves, it sad to think that there isn't much younger boxer that can continue our legendary boxers legacy.  It feels like our boxing sports continue to decline after the era of Pacquiao , Donaire, Nietez.

I guess for Filipino boxing fans his name is quiet familiar. But for casual fans, it will still be Manny Pacquiao and then Donaire. And that time, there are a lot of PH champions, who will forget Hawaiian Punch Brian Villoria?

Brian Villoria's fame easily decline, I guess his most famous wins is just a fluke though.  Looking at his statistics, all his winnings are coming from not-so-good stats boxers, and his losses is when he met a quality one.

[mirakal]

it is 72% against 27% favoring Donnie Nietes 11 .

I assume that even in His older age still People are aiming and trusting Him to win this fight?

but the sad part here is if that he losses this one , maybe he will also retire like the 2 famous Filipino Boxer that face defeat and decide for retirement.

Retiring is going to be an option for Nietes IF he losses, which I don't thin he will. If you take a look at his last fight against Reveco last year, he's still looking sharp and mixes his punch very well. Nietes is a smart boxer and an underrated one. He fought Ioka once and that gave him the edge to win the fight, and that explains the odds as well.
And that also explains why people/bettors are trusting him 100%. Being strong and smart at the same time is a formidable force.
For the records as well, he's the longest reigning Filipino world champ boxer.

True! He won't be the longest-reigning Filipino world champion if he's not that good, he's just underrated because back in his prime, Pacquiao and Donaire are more known than him. He may be aging but his experience and IQ in the ring will speak for him in the ring, particularly this time that he had already faced Ioka few years back and I also don't think that Ioka will have the advantage in this upcoming fight.

If we do look on Donnie Nietes stats.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/215599

43-1-6

Out of 43 wins it does have 23 KO's.Yes, he might lack in power but sustaining on having 1 loss out of 43 wins then this is something
that cant really be ignored.Its true that he might that not getting too much attention because of pacquiao and donaire
but this guy is already 40 which retirement would really be next in line whether he do win or loss this one.

He is actually a decent boxer with 23 knockout results over 43 wins, his only loss came from a boxer named Angky Angkotta way back in 2004 in Jakarta but that was not a bad loss either because it was a split-decision. After that, he never tasted loss again and surely that loss made him a far better boxer than he is in the year 2004. He is good but his timing was unfortunate because Donaire and Pacquiao were also reigning at the industry that time.

I guess for Filipino boxing fans his name is quiet familiar. But for casual fans, it will still be Manny Pacquiao and then Donaire. And that time, there are a lot of PH champions, who will forget Hawaiian Punch Brian Villoria?

And in that lost, Angky was over the limit, so it's not a fair fight.

Anyhow, his names should have been cemented in Filipino boxing already, and so with the other great boxers of his generation. And this winning this fight will be something extra for the great Nietes.

For the boxing fans in the whole world, of course Donnie Nietes does not really ring a bell into their ears but for the boxing fans in the Philippines, I'm certain that Nietes is well supported and not a sort of an underrated boxer. And he will be viewed as a champion with the likes of Donaire and Pacquiao, it's just Pacquiao was really on different league, no one could argue that.

[Fredomago]

For the boxing fans in the whole world, of course Donnie Nietes does not really ring a bell into their ears but for the boxing fans in the Philippines, I'm certain that Nietes is well supported and not a sort of an underrated boxer. And he will be viewed as a champion with the likes of Donaire and Pacquiao, it's just Pacquiao was really on different league, no one could argue that.

In terms of achievements then yes both Donaire and Pacquiao are on the higher level but with pinoy fans the credits are always for the boxers who bring pride to the country and Nietes is always part of that pride, he's well recognized by the fans and the name already established accompanied by his accomplishments inside the ring.

Again, he will be supported even in his possible last ride. Pinoy fans will keep risking their money t bet for this guy.

[harizen]

In terms of achievements then yes both Donaire and Pacquiao are on the higher level but with pinoy fans the credits are always for the boxers who bring pride to the country and Nietes is always part of that pride, he's well recognized by the fans and the name already established accompanied by his accomplishments inside the ring.

Again, he will be supported even in his possible last ride. Pinoy fans will keep risking their money t bet for this guy.

I think it's already guaranteed that Donnie Nietes will be soon established as future Hall of Famer.

There's no way he won't be listed on that although it might take around a decade before being listed there.

Moving forward, regardless if Nietes is the underdog here, the majority of PH community obviously will disregard any technical analysis in favor of Ioka and will just focus and biased supporting Nietes. It's not the first time that PH bet is underdog.

Anyways, what's the speculative odds or official odds, if available, for this fight? Should be out now for fiat sportsbook.

[inthelongrun]

I think it's already guaranteed that Donnie Nietes will be soon established as future Hall of Famer.

There's no way he won't be listed on that although it might take around a decade before being listed there.

I agree. He is guaranteed in the Hall of Fame soon. 4 division champion, 1 time lineal Ring magazine champion (probably two, not sure) and a former top 10 in the Ring's pound for pound list. That's should be more than enough.

Moving forward, regardless if Nietes is the underdog here, the majority of PH community obviously will disregard any technical analysis in favor of Ioka and will just focus and biased supporting Nietes. It's not the first time that PH bet is underdog.

Anyways, what's the speculative odds or official odds, if available, for this fight? Should be out now for fiat sportsbook.

Just a few hours ago, the last Filipino world boxing champion Mark Magsayo was out-boxed by another undefeated and now 2 division champion Rey Vargas. Magsayo tried to rally in the late rounds, scoring a knockdown and hurt Vargas several times but failed to finish the Mexican. This would be the first time that the Philippines do not have a world boxing champion in around 2 decades I guess? Hopefully this would give Nietes a wake-up call to step up and bring back his old self in his fight with Ioka in Japan.

I also cannot find an odds of this fight although I believe Ioka should be the favorite here. Probably 2.5 to 3.0 for Nietes.

[mirakal]

For the boxing fans in the whole world, of course Donnie Nietes does not really ring a bell into their ears but for the boxing fans in the Philippines, I'm certain that Nietes is well supported and not a sort of an underrated boxer. And he will be viewed as a champion with the likes of Donaire and Pacquiao, it's just Pacquiao was really on different league, no one could argue that.

In terms of achievements then yes both Donaire and Pacquiao are on the higher level but with pinoy fans the credits are always for the boxers who bring pride to the country and Nietes is always part of that pride, he's well recognized by the fans and the name already established accompanied by his accomplishments inside the ring.

Again, he will be supported even in his possible last ride. Pinoy fans will keep risking their money t bet for this guy.

That is really true and Donnie Nietes deserves to get the credits and support he deserved because he's one of those few Philippine boxers who became a champion and successfully made a name for the Philippines, but unfortunately, there are still some people who don't even know who is Donnie "Ahas" Nietes and what he did for the country.

This time for sure, he will get known because he will be challenging Ioka for the WBO title especially if he will manage to steal the title from Ioka and will become the latest and remaining Pinoy title holder.

[freedomgo]

Just a few hours ago, the last Filipino world boxing champion Mark Magsayo was out-boxed by another undefeated and now 2 division champion Rey Vargas. Magsayo tried to rally in the late rounds, scoring a knockdown and hurt Vargas several times but failed to finish the Mexican. This would be the first time that the Philippines do not have a world boxing champion in around 2 decades I guess? Hopefully this would give Nietes a wake-up call to step up and bring back his old self in his fight with Ioka in Japan.

I also cannot find an odds of this fight although I believe Ioka should be the favorite here. Probably 2.5 to 3.0 for Nietes.

Honestly, I didn't some thought that Magsayo would literally be having a hard time in the fight earlier against Vargas because I know for sure that Magsayo and Freddie Roach tackled all the possible scenario including what technique needed to get near at Vargas as the Mexican boxer had the height as well as the reach advantage. It turns out that Magsayo really struggled in the fight earlier, he indeed bounced back and knocked down the Mexican boxer but the score was already far to chase.

As for Ioka-Nietes fight, I also believed that Ioka will be a slight favorite.

[serjent05]

Just a few hours ago, the last Filipino world boxing champion Mark Magsayo was out-boxed by another undefeated and now 2 division champion Rey Vargas. Magsayo tried to rally in the late rounds, scoring a knockdown and hurt Vargas several times but failed to finish the Mexican. This would be the first time that the Philippines do not have a world boxing champion in around 2 decades I guess? Hopefully this would give Nietes a wake-up call to step up and bring back his old self in his fight with Ioka in Japan.

I also cannot find an odds of this fight although I believe Ioka should be the favorite here. Probably 2.5 to 3.0 for Nietes.

Honestly, I didn't some thought that Magsayo would literally be having a hard time in the fight earlier against Vargas because I know for sure that Magsayo and Freddie Roach tackled all the possible scenario including what technique needed to get near at Vargas as the Mexican boxer had the height as well as the reach advantage. It turns out that Magsayo really struggled in the fight earlier, he indeed bounced back and knocked down the Mexican boxer but the score was already far to chase.

Magsayo wastes so much punches by head hunting.  He is so hooked on getting a KO win that he neglects that a boxer has a body that is easier to hit.  If he could have invested on hitting the body on the earlier rounds, probably we had a different result.  And in addition that Magsayo failed to adjust against Vargas strategy.

As for Ioka-Nietes fight, I also believed that Ioka will be a slight favorite.

Age does affect Nietes fight style, he is way slower than before so the boxing fans might probaby noticed it already.  But I so wish that Nietes win's the fight to bring home the title.

[harizen]

Hopefully this would give Nietes a wake-up call to step up and bring back his old self in his fight with Ioka in Japan.

I hope so too and I'm looking forward to that. Mark Magsayo losing his title and PH doesn't have any champion now should give more boost and confidence for Nietes to bring his very A+ performance to this fight. Although yes we have to admit that it will really be a tough one for him because of some changes and characteristics on him that are not present now during his prime days.

Not used to seeing PH doesn't have any world champions. I hope we will have other rising stars too that will conquer the stage of world boxing.

[lienfaye]

Age does affect Nietes fight style, he is way slower than before so the boxing fans might probaby noticed it already.  But I so wish that Nietes win's the fight to bring home the title.

Certainly there's a changes now because of his age compared to when he's in his prime. But I think he can beat Loka again like what he did before to reclaim the title. Because Nietes is one of the great boxer that brings victory to PH. I cant forget the way he fight, always in good timing and an accurate puncher too. So im looking forward to this fight even it will be held to Loka's home country because its an advantage to latter's part.

[Fredomago]

Age does affect Nietes fight style, he is way slower than before so the boxing fans might probaby noticed it already.  But I so wish that Nietes win's the fight to bring home the title.

Certainly there's a changes now because of his age compared to when he's in his prime. But I think he can beat Loka again like what he did before to reclaim the title. Because Nietes is one of the great boxer that brings victory to PH. I cant forget the way he fight, always in good timing and an accurate puncher too. So im looking forward to this fight even it will be held to Loka's home country because its an advantage to latter's part.

Hoping that he will be able to take this one again from Ioka, like just you mentioned, Nietes have that kind of attitude he's not into a KO orchestrator but more on timing, he throws good punches that will generate inside score card, though I also agree that he might fight differently and maybe his age might affects his speed but experienced wise I do believe that he can stand further and possibly can take this again from Ioka.

[Smartprofit]

Donnie Nietes is definitely very old for boxing.  

He is already 43 years old - at this age it is difficult to maintain the former lightness and mobility.  

Nevertheless, this is a very experienced boxer.  He knows a lot of clever boxing tricks that can lead him to victory.  At the same time, he lacks aggressiveness and pressure.  His punches don't lead to a knockout.  They are not accurate or powerful enough.  

Therefore, in my opinion, Kazuko Ioka will defeat Donnie Nietes in this boxing match

[Ziskinberg]

Donnie Nietes is definitely very old for boxing.  

He is already 43 years old - at this age it is difficult to maintain the former lightness and mobility.  

Correction, he is not yet 43 years, he is only 40 years old yet it's still considered as old in boxing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donnie_Nietes

Nevertheless, this is a very experienced boxer.  He knows a lot of clever boxing tricks that can lead him to victory.  At the same time, he lacks aggressiveness and pressure.  His punches don't lead to a knockout.  They are not accurate or powerful enough.  

Therefore, in my opinion, Kazuko Ioka will defeat Donnie Nietes in this boxing match

In terms of experience he has the edge, but if his age would be the reason for him to lose his stamina, I think he will not win in this fight.

[inthelongrun]

Nevertheless, this is a very experienced boxer.  He knows a lot of clever boxing tricks that can lead him to victory.  At the same time, he lacks aggressiveness and pressure.  His punches don't lead to a knockout.  They are not accurate or powerful enough.  

Therefore, in my opinion, Kazuko Ioka will defeat Donnie Nietes in this boxing match

In terms of experience he has the edge, but if his age would be the reason for him to lose his stamina, I think he will not win in this fight.

Prime Nietes was a very fine technical fighter. When facing an aggressive and pressure fighter, he will be the matador. I think Nietes has decent power capable of knockouts but he prefers to stay safe and away from risk. I kind of disagree that Nietes is not accurate otherwise he would have lost a lot of his previous fights because he is not a volume puncher. You can't be a 4 division champion, a lineal, and a top 10 Ring pound for pound without great accuracy. 

Let's not get misled by Ioka's 30 fights compared to Nietes' 44. Ioka once held the Japanese record with the fewest fights to become a world champion. Ioka became a world champion in only his 7th professional fight (correct me if I'm wrong but I think this was later broken by Inoue and then by Tanaka). I believe Ioka has more world title fight experience than Nietes.

[mirakal]

Nevertheless, this is a very experienced boxer.  He knows a lot of clever boxing tricks that can lead him to victory.  At the same time, he lacks aggressiveness and pressure.  His punches don't lead to a knockout.  They are not accurate or powerful enough.  

Therefore, in my opinion, Kazuko Ioka will defeat Donnie Nietes in this boxing match

In terms of experience he has the edge, but if his age would be the reason for him to lose his stamina, I think he will not win in this fight.

Prime Nietes was a very fine technical fighter. When facing an aggressive and pressure fighter, he will be the matador. I think Nietes has decent power capable of knockouts but he prefers to stay safe and away from risk. I kind of disagree that Nietes is not accurate otherwise he would have lost a lot of his previous fights because he is not a volume puncher. You can't be a 4 division champion, a lineal, and a top 10 Ring pound for pound without great accuracy. 

Let's not get misled by Ioka's 30 fights compared to Nietes' 44. Ioka once held the Japanese record with the fewest fights to become a world champion. Ioka became a world champion in only his 7th professional fight (correct me if I'm wrong but I think this was later broken by Inoue and then by Tanaka). I believe Ioka has more world title fight experience than Nietes.

I don't know about this but I like to believe that Nietes would not lose in this fight if he is not old, at his age now, I think Ioka will bounce back and beat him. Losing a split decision means the fight is very competitive, so now Kazuto Ioka has the edge due to his age and he is more active than Nietes I think.

[inthelongrun]

I believe Ioka has more world title fight experience than Nietes.

I don't know about this but I like to believe that Nietes would not lose in this fight if he is not old, at his age now, I think Ioka will bounce back and beat him. Losing a split decision means the fight is very competitive, so now Kazuto Ioka has the edge due to his age and he is more active than Nietes I think.

Yes. I also think that prime Nietes will beat a prime Ioka. Both are the same 4 division champions and are future Hall of Famers. They nearly have the same styles too. They're both smart, technical, patient, and armed with excellent jabs. I just believe that prime Nietes is just slightly better.

Back to reality. Ioka has a clear edge in this coming rematch. I don't think Nietes has the power to knockout Ioka and his age makes the mission becoming nearly impossible.


 

[darkangel11]

Yes. I also think that prime Nietes will beat a prime Ioka. Both are the same 4 division champions and are future Hall of Famers. They nearly have the same styles too. They're both smart, technical, patient, and armed with excellent jabs. I just believe that prime Nietes is just slightly better.

Back to reality. Ioka has a clear edge in this coming rematch. I don't think Nietes has the power to knockout Ioka and his age makes the mission becoming nearly impossible.

True but we don't know the shape of Nietes. He had some time off and his age makes him a wild card at this point. He can be good or he can be bad. Anyway his age and the fact that champions usually get higher odds will make Nietes the underdog here, at least when it comes to bets.
It's going to be an interesting fight that's for sure because we won't know what to expect. It's hard to score fighters that are so different in age and experience before the fight.