Guest safety

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Guests are non-registered visitors

I noticed that 1xbit is a gambling site that do not have good reputation among forum members on this forum, if I get it correctly, this is because 1xbit has scammed some members on this forum before in the past. Some people which are new accounts, maybe new account created by old users or maybe by new users, I do not know, but something came up my mind, that are guests safe on this forum? Are they not exposed to scam site like 1xbit?

The reason I said that is because I noticed that any negative trust given to anyone, even by the strongest DT members can not be seen by guests that are visiting this forum, but signature and avatar can be seen. I said this because of 1xbit campaign, new accounts continue to post allegation scam post about 1xbit. Because the trust can no be seen by guests, I also think that any flag raised can not also be seen by anonymous users.

Why are people that do not register on this forum not seeing the positive, neutral and negative trust of registered users on this forum when they are able to see their signature and avatar?

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[Poker Player]

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But they can see the flags.

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But they can see the flags.

Although I have just noticed that the flag can not be seen now according to your post, I was only guessing about the flag. But this is not even only about the flag but majorly about 1xbit campaign participants that people can click on their 1xbit signature to register on 1xbit.

[DdmrDdmr]

There’s this to go by, which is quoted within a lengthy thread on the matter:

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And I want to insist on my suggestion regarding trust: guest should see some trust.

The main reason that I went for this solution rather than forcing custom lists is that I would like to show some trust indicator to guests. But before doing that, I want to see whether these modifications can actually be made to work. If not, then I may go to the force-custom-lists solution, and that's incompatible with guests seeing any trust indicators.

Things stand as they were at the time of the above comment, and perhaps it could be reviewed by now.

Although people that navegate the forum without being logged-in may not really know how the Trust System works, seeing the Trust indicator values may be good enough to alert the outside reader (DT view). Displaying a visual cue to incentive the reader to create an account / log in could be interesting in addition, pointing to the need to read the feedback in order to properly asses the Trust ratings being viewed.

[tranthidung]

something came up my mind, that are anonymous users safe on this forum? Because the trust can no be seen by anonymous users, I also think that any flag raised can not also be seen by anonymous users.

You're using incorrect term here.

Guests and anonymous users, they are different. If you have account that is anonymous, you are a user of this forum. If you don't have an account and only visit the forum to read, you are a guest.

So do you mean guest in this context?

As you can see here, I only change the username to "Anonymous" on request.

Why are people that do not register on this forum not seeing the positive, neutral and negative trust of registered users on this forum when they are able to see their signature and avatar?

You must register an account, login as a member of this forum to see trust, trust feedback. They don't need to do so to see active flag and I believe flag has its role to help guests know what topics belong to scam projects (or highly scam projects).

A newbie-warning flag is active if there are more people supporting such a flag than opposing it. It shows a banner on topics started by the flagged user for guests and for users with less than 7 days of login time.

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So do you mean guest in this context?

Yes, corrected, though previous posters get it correctly.

[Upgrade00]

Why are people that do not register on this forum not seeing the positive, neutral and negative trust of registered users on this forum when they are able to see their signature and avatar?

I certainly do not understand why, and I'll prefer that guests do not see signatures or avatars as well, except maybe, the forum ad.

Guests are limited from a couple of options, like viewing trust, or using the search option which are useful is safely navigating the forum. They should equally be limited from viewing signatures and avatars which are means of advertisment, as they are not adequately informed on which links are considered safe by the community and which are not.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Why are people that do not register on this forum not seeing the positive, neutral and negative trust of registered users on this forum when they are able to see their signature and avatar?

I certainly do not understand why, and I'll prefer that guests do not see signatures or avatars as well, except maybe, the forum ad.

We are pressing it too hard.
This is a forum. Not a review site nor a scam hunting site or a site who separate wrong from right on the internet.
It is just a forum. Flag, trust score etc are just some features to help the community members. We do not need to care about the entire world wide web ☺️

Trust score helps only when a user wants to trade with another user. It's visible on reputation, service such type of boards. The flag works the same and it's absolutely fine for me.

But if anyone puts a gun on my head and ask give me idea to improve then I will be telling the following.
For flag I can think of the same warning on the user's profile page.
On the profile we can show the default trust score.
Anyone interested to check more, then let them register.

[Lucius]

Given that the scam is not moderated on the forum (which is the source of the problem), I don't see how it would be useful for guests to see the trust score of an individual user, which most people don't even know exists. Flags are still more effective here, although for non-English speaking users such warnings have little or no impact.

The safety of each individual on the forum is a matter of personal responsibility - in other words, if you don't know how to protect yourself, it's only a matter of time if you fall for a public or private scam - because what we see publicly has a much darker side in the background.

[hugeblack]

Let's try to divide the discussion into showing trust within the marketplace and boards outside the market:

The forum is for discussions, but showing negative trust may affect trust in someone's responses, and thus may give the wrong impression of trusting that person's responses.

Suppose that a hero's account (only make marketplace deals) has green trust and a reply to a technical post, then the guests will trust his reply than a newbie who gave the correct information.

As for not showing it in the marketplace, newbie needs to log in to communicate with @OP and trust Telegram or others without searching for the user, it is considered laziness, although I think it is better to show it.

[CryptocurencyKing]

Why are people that do not register on this forum not seeing the positive, neutral and negative trust of registered users on this forum when they are able to see their signature and avatar?

I certainly do not understand why, and I'll prefer that guests do not see signatures or avatars as well, except maybe, the forum ad.

Guests are limited from a couple of options, like viewing trust, or using the search option which are useful is safely navigating the forum. They should equally be limited from viewing signatures and avatars which are means of advertisment, as they are not adequately informed on which links are considered safe by the community and which are not.

That's some helpful thought but then, it comes a the expenses of the legitimate sites out here. Not to mention, we don't have only gambling sites running there signatures here, we've got exchanges, mixers and others too. Hence, using a few to rule over the many that are doing it right won't be helping the reputable once.

On every platform, there are always privileges enjoyed by registered users as opposed to visitors. This happens to be one of those rights and I think the forum have done the most in ensuring that, they've got a flag up on there thread as denoted in Poker Player's post here

But they can see the flags.

That aside, bktcointalk isn't the only place they might encounter these sites. There are a variety of other advertisements going on elsewhere and they've go no warnings up like th forum have done. I take Mycelium wallet for an example. I've seen 1xbit up a few times so, we can't write the forum down on the warnings. Curious visitors can still find the Ann thread while others could create an account to fully understand what's going on in the forum.

[Rikafip]

But this is not even only about the flag but majorly about 1xbit campaign participants that people can click on their 1xbit signature to register on 1xbit.

The only way that could be prevented is if scams were moderated and removed. Since we know that won't happen, anyone can click on those. After all, if someone is so reckless to click on some link that leads him to unknown betting site and he immediately deposits money without checking whether that site is legit (all you have to find out that is to google "is 1xbit scam?"), he will lose the money at some other place, even if he is protected here on bitcointalk.

With that being said, I see no harm if trust scores were visible to guests.

[Apocollapse]

I don't think those guests who doesn't register in this forum know 1xbit by reading through this forum, because most of 1xbit's accusations in this forum are from brand new users and their first post is about 1xbit. They're know this forum after search about cryptocurrency forum and trying to report this casino who scam them.

Actually many sites who reviews casino is getting paid by 1xbit to shills their casino, if you search on google "1xbit reviews" you will see numerous articles wrote 1xbit is one of reputable and trustworthy casino. Can you protect everyone to not read those reviews sites? and what you can do for this? You don't have any option since google wouldn't process your report if your report the sites for spreading high likely scam.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

The forum is for discussions, but showing negative trust may affect trust in someone's responses, and thus may give the wrong impression of trusting that person's responses.

Ugh....not sure how I feel about that particular argument, because it's sort of treating members (and non-members) as idiots who can't form opinions without putting on their critical thinking hats.  True, many don't, but I'm a proponent of having trust visible on every board and even to guests.

As far as the guests and sketchy signature campaigns go, same thing.  Nobody bats an eye about members seeing all sorts of questionable advertising (with 1xbit and a couple others being exceptions), but it's probably not a bad idea to have those bright red trust scores visible to non-members who might see a post by someone with a shady something-or-other in their signature space.  Let everyone make up their own minds about things.

[Upgrade00]

We are pressing it too hard.
This is a forum. Not a review site nor a scam hunting site or a site who separate wrong from right on the internet.
It is just a forum. Flag, trust score etc are just some features to help the community members. We do not need to care about the entire world wide web ☺️

Guests and visitors are not the entire www. They are users who stumble on the forum or where recommended to go here and are yet to create an account.
I for one usually advice users to browse around as a guest and learn about the forum, read rules, explore the features etc, before registering an account here. That's one reason I would want those users to either have available features to avoid possible scams or their exposure to them be reduced.

Trust score helps only when a user wants to trade with another user. It's visible on reputation, service such type of boards. The flag works the same and it's absolutely fine for me.

The issue with that, is in the highlighted case, trust flag would only be visible on the 1xbit thread, users with the signature will not have any flags or warnings about them promoting a scam project.

[uchegod-21]

I am convinced that the majority victims of 1xbit are not members of this forum. I came to this conclusion because even if you spend only but a week in this forum, you should be able to know that 1xbit is a scam company.

Saying about visitors, any visitor who first visits the forum and then see 1xbit signature, click on it and place bet with them should be blamed. They could only be right if this was a gambling forum for only gambling activities. Anyone playing with a new gambling site should be able to ask questions or check our for reviews.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Guests and visitors are not the entire www.

You took it too seriously. I don't think even Facebook reached to the entire world wide web even though these days internet means having a Facebook account. Every website has their targeted audience and community. What I wanted to say that we do not need to take care of visitors who are not our members. A guest could be anyone. We do not know their interest. This is an open discussion place. Anyone who has interest in Bitcoin can see discussions about bitcoin and related topics without even registration.

If anyone needs to know about a service then they can go to the places which were designed to get information. There are review sites, resolution sites who are providing specific service to the visitors. Let them go there. We do not need gamblers to check the users rating, we need bitcoin enthusiast.

users with the signature will not have any flags or warnings about them promoting a scam project.

We accept it. To adopt with the system you can create flags against those users who are advertising the scam. If there are no scope to create a flag then let it go. We are giving too much attention to some scammers.

I am convinced that the majority victims of 1xbit are not members of this forum. I came to this conclusion because even if you spend only but a week in this forum, you should be able to know that 1xbit is a scam company.

The majority users who get scammed by 1xbit do not even know about the forum until they get scammed and try to find a place to compliant.

[Welsh]

but it's probably not a bad idea to have those bright red trust scores visible to non-members who might see a post by someone with a shady something-or-other in their signature space.  Let everyone make up their own minds about things.

I'd probably agree for the most part, however where it gets tricky is not all DefaultTrust leave fair, and accurate trust ratings, at least not all the time. There are internal feuds, and sometimes feedback that's not agreed upon by the majority of the DefaultTrust, the issue with guests is they might not know the dynamics or even how the trust system works.

So, they'll take that as bitcointalk itself not trusting the users, which isn't the case. There's too much subjectivity when it comes to trust, to force that on guests, who don't have any knowledge of the system.

While, I think it's great to look after as much users as possible, whether they're registered or not, I think at the very least a disclaimer would have to be put in place, due to the mentioned reasons above.

[Benkbeny]

I Think The Maim Idea of establishing this forum is to to share idea and innovation on bitcoin and other altcoin. The features is to help the forum members or users our main target is not the guest but the users. Besides that it's also left for any users who already know the different features of the forum to considered if they will or not participate on scam Project.