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July 08, 2022, 05:56:50 PM
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Hi, we are looking for help double serving on a few crypto related e-commerce campaigns. You don't need to know anything about Google Ads, although it wouldn't hurt having a little experience. Yes, it's against Google TOS to run multiple campaigns for the same product but if we do it this way, there's little risk to either of our ad accounts.

Requirements:
- PC with stable internet connection for campaign setup.
- Credit or debit card to pay Google.
- Bitcoin wallet or PayPal to receive our payments.

You will host an ad campaign that we manage/configure for a client, in return for $20 daily just for letting us use your account. This campaign will spend a predefined amount so your first payment will consist of this + the $20 paid before the ad starts running.

You won't be asked for any of your information as I will leave that up to you to setup with Google.
If you have any questions, feel free to leave them below.
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July 08, 2022, 08:25:50 PM
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I have a little question, why are you looking for others to give you an account with attached credit/debit cards? Why you can't create multiple accounts and use your own cards? Is Google preventing you to create an adward account? Giving account access is quite dangerous and looks fishy to me. If you want just run ads and show you proof then it's reasonable, but Giving account access after adding a payment method is dangerous.

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July 08, 2022, 08:36:02 PM
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Same question as the guy above me why do you need to pay someone 20$ for something you can do yourself ?

I have a bad feeling about this..
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July 08, 2022, 09:48:53 PM
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Hi, we are looking for help double serving on a few crypto related e-commerce campaigns. You don't need to know anything about Google Ads, although it wouldn't hurt having a little experience. Yes, it's against Google TOS to run multiple campaigns for the same product but if we do it this way, there's little risk to either of our ad accounts.

Requirements:
- PC with stable internet connection for campaign setup.
- Credit or debit card to pay Google.
- Bitcoin wallet or PayPal to receive our payments.

You will host an ad campaign that we manage/configure for a client, in return for $20 daily just for letting us use your account. This campaign will spend a predefined amount so your first payment will consist of this + the $20 paid before the ad starts running.

You won't be asked for any of your information as I will leave that up to you to setup with Google.
If you have any questions, feel free to leave them below.

I just made a new LLC so i'll gladly do it for ya send me a DM looking forward transacting!
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July 11, 2022, 06:35:40 PM
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I have a little question, why are you looking for others to give you an account with attached credit/debit cards? Why you can't create multiple accounts and use your own cards? Is Google preventing you to create an adward account? Giving account access is quite dangerous and looks fishy to me. If you want just run ads and show you proof then it's reasonable, but Giving account access after adding a payment method is dangerous.
Same question as the guy above me why do you need to pay someone 20$ for something you can do yourself ?

I have a bad feeling about this..

Hi, thanks for your interest.

So we aren't looking for accounts with attached cards. We can and do create multiple accounts with our own cards however this only works for 1 campaign per product. If we setup multiple accounts under our own cards to advertise the same product, they won't run for longer than a week before Google realizes we're gaining an "unfair competitive advantage".

Second, again we aren't looking for direct account access, the account would remain under you and you'd forward us the requested metrics and make a few changes once a week.

There are 4 steps to creating an ad account. The first three are to setup the campaign and we'll do that together. Last step is payments and that's when you're on your own.

Let me know if you have any further questions, thanks!
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July 11, 2022, 06:59:05 PM
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I just made a new LLC so i'll gladly do it for ya send me a DM looking forward transacting!
Please be wary.

They will definitely run blackhat ads, which will land you in legal trouble.
And you will probably be suspended from using google ads ever again for life.

It's not worth risking your rep with google(since google adwords can be an invaluable tool if you ever start your own business) and credit for  20 dollars.
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July 11, 2022, 07:52:25 PM
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I just made a new LLC so i'll gladly do it for ya send me a DM looking forward transacting!
Please be wary.

They will definitely run blackhat ads, which will land you in legal trouble.
And you will probably be suspended from using google ads ever again for life.

It's not worth risking your rep with google(since google adwords can be an invaluable tool if you ever start your own business) and credit for  20 dollars.
I dont know how it was categorized a blackhat ads by you, but if anyone who wants to work with OP can use a dummy google account to make google ad campaign offered by the OP, then it easy to say that it's a risk-free.
I just think its a too good to be true daily offer for a one time task.

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July 11, 2022, 08:05:00 PM
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I just made a new LLC so i'll gladly do it for ya send me a DM looking forward transacting!
Please be wary.

They will definitely run blackhat ads, which will land you in legal trouble.
And you will probably be suspended from using google ads ever again for life.

It's not worth risking your rep with google(since google adwords can be an invaluable tool if you ever start your own business) and credit for  20 dollars.
I dont know how it was categorized a blackhat ads by you, but if anyone who wants to work with OP can use a dummy google account to make google ad campaign offered by the OP, then it easy to say that it's a risk-free.
I just think its a too good to be true daily offer for a one time task.
A Dummy account won't protect you. Google can still connect you. Once you get banned on one account, you can't run any ads in the future on any of your accounts ever. This is probably why OP is outsourcing and wants someone else's account to run their ads.

And it's pretty much obvious that they want to run blackhat or illegal ads(paying through anonymous channel to run ads on someone else's identity without proving their own).

It's very easy to exploit someone who isn't aware of the downsides. I hope that my post will act as a warning.

If OP isn't running blackhat, then I request Op to post their advertising keywords publicly(only the keywords).
And if someone wants to participate in this, make sure that the OP doesn't change their keyword on your account(this can easily be tracked from account history), and isn't different from what's posted here or add new keywords. This is the only safe way.

Else you are at risk of getting into legal trouble
https://www.hackread.com/crooks-steal-28m-in-crypto-using-google-adwords-spoofed-domains/
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July 11, 2022, 08:24:12 PM
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A Dummy account won't protect you. Google can still connect you.

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It's very easy to exploit someone who isn't aware of the downsides. I hope that my post will act as a warning.
Appreciate the warning, but there are lots of ways to avoid that (wont mention any of those).

And yeah, it's too risky and horrible act, yet lots of people did it already so it's up to them risking their accounts since the OP mentioned the risks of doing things against some service's TOS.

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July 11, 2022, 09:10:50 PM
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Appreciate the warning, but there are lots of ways to avoid that (wont mention any of those).

And yeah, it's too risky and horrible act, yet lots of people did it already so it's up to them risking their accounts since the OP mentioned the risks of doing things against some service's TOS.
Yes, there are.

if OP's use case is genuine, and they are being truthful then let's talk about it a little.
From their post, they want multiple accounts to put multiple advertisements on one keyword. This means that the keyword is competitive (because there won't be any need if the keyword wasn't competitive, to begin with).

Which case would be more beneficial to drive more profit ?

Case A: Increasing the budget by 5~10% to get more clicks and a higher ranking for a good CTR on an already established ad with learned data on google's side. Focussing on improving your site's conversion rate.

Case B: Creating new websites for each new account, managing those websites, and managing those accounts just to compete with your ad to drive the CPC even higher + making each ad account go through the learning phase(it takes time for any ad to reach an optimal level, since google AdWords takes time to learn about your ad's behavior) which won't give you the same conversion in the beginning and you will probably lose money in the beginning  Huh


or, as I said earlier,  Case C: They are definitely running blackhat ads.
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I just made a new LLC so i'll gladly do it for ya send me a DM looking forward transacting!
Please be wary.

They will definitely run blackhat ads, which will land you in legal trouble.
And you will probably be suspended from using google ads ever again for life.

It's not worth risking your rep with google(since google adwords can be an invaluable tool if you ever start your own business) and credit for  20 dollars.

To start, as mentioned in the thread, these aren't really blackhat ads. We are using blackhat techniques to run multiple ads but the campaigns themselves are selling merchandise for a popular crypto platform. (All designs are done in house and no trademark/copyright is being infringed on)

Double serving on Google will not land you in legal trouble... Even if we were running ads infringing on trademark/copyright, Google would ban the account and that would be that.

I just made a new LLC so i'll gladly do it for ya send me a DM looking forward transacting!
Please be wary.

They will definitely run blackhat ads, which will land you in legal trouble.
And you will probably be suspended from using google ads ever again for life.

It's not worth risking your rep with google(since google adwords can be an invaluable tool if you ever start your own business) and credit for  20 dollars.
I dont know how it was categorized a blackhat ads by you, but if anyone who wants to work with OP can use a dummy google account to make google ad campaign offered by the OP, then it easy to say that it's a risk-free.
I just think its a too good to be true daily offer for a one time task.

That's correct, we don't require anyone to use their own ad account currently running ads. You'd create a new one for this task and if you're currently running ads then we could create an MCC account and this would ensure that if the time came that Google noticed the ads and banned the account, it wouldn't affect the other accounts. Google won't ban an agency for running ads for a client that's doubleserving. The agency would have no way to know this.

I just made a new LLC so i'll gladly do it for ya send me a DM looking forward transacting!
Please be wary.

They will definitely run blackhat ads, which will land you in legal trouble.
And you will probably be suspended from using google ads ever again for life.

It's not worth risking your rep with google(since google adwords can be an invaluable tool if you ever start your own business) and credit for  20 dollars.
I dont know how it was categorized a blackhat ads by you, but if anyone who wants to work with OP can use a dummy google account to make google ad campaign offered by the OP, then it easy to say that it's a risk-free.
I just think its a too good to be true daily offer for a one time task.
A Dummy account won't protect you. Google can still connect you. Once you get banned on one account, you can't run any ads in the future on any of your accounts ever. This is probably why OP is outsourcing and wants someone else's account to run their ads.

And it's pretty much obvious that they want to run blackhat or illegal ads(paying through anonymous channel to run ads on someone else's identity without proving their own).

It's very easy to exploit someone who isn't aware of the downsides. I hope that my post will act as a warning.

If OP isn't running blackhat, then I request Op to post their advertising keywords publicly(only the keywords).
And if someone wants to participate in this, make sure that the OP doesn't change their keyword on your account(this can easily be tracked from account history), and isn't different from what's posted here or add new keywords. This is the only safe way.

Else you are at risk of getting into legal trouble
https://www.hackread.com/crooks-steal-28m-in-crypto-using-google-adwords-spoofed-domains/

That's not entirely true. We're outsourcing because if we setup an ad account under our MCC to run ads for the same product on the same keywords then yes we risk our MCC getting banned because it's clear to Google what we're doing.

If anyone running ads with us has a problem with BTC payments, we offer PayPal as well. We only offered BTC because of where we are currently.

As far as keywords go, we setup the account together so they see exactly what keywords are being added. And as mentioned previously, the account stays under their Google, we won't have any access as that defeats the whole purpose of this exercise.

That's an interesting read but I highly doubt they were paying $20/day to run ads when they can create the ads themselves.

Appreciate the warning, but there are lots of ways to avoid that (wont mention any of those).

And yeah, it's too risky and horrible act, yet lots of people did it already so it's up to them risking their accounts since the OP mentioned the risks of doing things against some service's TOS.
Yes, there are.

if OP's use case is genuine, and they are being truthful then let's talk about it a little.
From their post, they want multiple accounts to put multiple advertisements on one keyword. This means that the keyword is competitive (because there won't be any need if the keyword wasn't competitive, to begin with).

Which case would be more beneficial to drive more profit ?

Case A: Increasing the budget by 5~10% to get more clicks and a higher ranking for a good CTR on an already established ad with learned data on google's side. Focussing on improving your site's conversion rate.

Case B: Creating new websites for each new account, managing those websites, and managing those accounts just to compete with your ad to drive the CPC even higher + making each ad account go through the learning phase(it takes time for any ad to reach an optimal level, since google AdWords takes time to learn about your ad's behavior) which won't give you the same conversion in the beginning and you will probably lose money in the beginning  Huh


or, as I said earlier,  Case C: They are definitely running blackhat ads.


So this is an interesting point. Initially this is what I thought as well. Just raise the budget and drown out the competitors (5-10% is nothing though) but this doesn't work the way you think. Google has a way of diminishing returns as you raise your budget. This is because they artifically raise the CPC because of the other ads using auto bidding.

Case B is exactly what we're doing and I'll let you in on a secret. Google prioritizes results for smaller ads because naturally they need the smaller advertisers to have good results in an effort to get them to spend more. By creating multiple ads, we're driving the CPC up yes but not nearly as much as we would by raising the budget drastically on a single ad. In addition to cheaper clicks, think about the competition when you have multiple ads spending $100/day. Their impression share will drop by around 20% for every ad that goes up and the only way to compete is to raise their CPC to a level that isn't sustainable because the niche we're in (e-commerce), there's only so much room for marketing.

To me, it sounds like you've been banned in the past and dealt with having multiple accounts banned. Next time you're having this trouble, I would say to try setting up a campaign in a completely different niche and watch as it starts running. Google can't differentiate from regular advertisers and agencies and those in between (Fiverr/Upwork freelancers). Sure, they won't let you create new accounts for your business but other business in different niches they will let run no problem.

I only mention this because worst case, our ads get detected as double serving and they ban the account. If you wanted to use Google Ads in the future, you can! Unless you're trying to run a campaign similiar to ours.
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July 12, 2022, 09:24:52 PM
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I have said my piece.
If I was running a business on google ads, then I would reach out to my friends and family & would rather pay them 20 USD daily for their account.
They would be happy to help expand my business and in return earn some passive income too.
Or I would set up an LLC(new business) in a different state under my name & ownership. And probably it won't even break google's terms since it's a new business(still DYOR). There are many ways to do this.

Personally, I would never create multiple accounts. Since one account on all platforms has always been enough for me.
I can raise CPC, to get a better placement or offer better service. Or branch to some other platform to advertise my product.

But when a new account comes offering 20 USD via cryptocurrency to use their google account for running an ad, it sure as hell doesn't look good given how many scams run on google ads.
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To start, as mentioned in the thread, these aren't really blackhat ads. We are using blackhat techniques to run multiple ads but the campaigns themselves are selling merchandise for a popular crypto platform. (All designs are done in house and no trademark/copyright is being infringed on)

Double serving on Google will not land you in legal trouble... Even if we were running ads infringing on trademark/copyright, Google would ban the account and that would be that.

banning from Google AdWords services is a sufficient reason to distance yourself from this offer. It's not worth $20.
maybe you could give a closer example here, which type of ad it is (I doubt that someone will steal such a risky idea from you) and it would remove doubts that there is no legal problem besides everything.

I have said my piece.
If I was running a business on google ads, then I would reach out to my friends and family & would rather pay them 20 USD daily for their account.
They would be happy to help expand my business and in return earn some passive income too.
Or I would set up an LLC in a different state under my name & ownership. There are many ways to do this.

But when a new account comes offering 20 USD via cryptocurrency to use their google account for running an ad, it sure as hell doesn't look good given how many scams run on google ads.


OP, himself wrote that there is a great risk to be sanctioned by Google because the whole business is against their TOS. I'd say he was just extenuating, I would say it is 100% certain that the ban will happen.

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July 12, 2022, 11:02:17 PM
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Requirements:
- PC with stable internet connection for campaign setup.
- Credit or debit card to pay Google.
- Bitcoin wallet or PayPal to receive our payments.
There's already a red flag why there's a need to use a credit or debit card. I've applied for this type of marketing before and I was tricked and fooled.
I even submitted my ID for this type of task. I was young during that time and haven't realized that my identities were being used for the campaign of that company.

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July 12, 2022, 11:31:39 PM
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What if the candidate you choose has to pay taxes on the money they earned? You going to pay the taxes for them as well? Just curious since everything is pretty much kyc these days.

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July 13, 2022, 12:00:25 AM
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I have said my piece.
If I was running a business on google ads, then I would reach out to my friends and family & would rather pay them 20 USD daily for their account.
They would be happy to help expand my business and in return earn some passive income too.
Or I would set up an LLC(new business) in a different state under my name & ownership. And probably it won't even break google's terms since it's a new business(still DYOR). There are many ways to do this.

Personally, I would never create multiple accounts. Since one account on all platforms has always been enough for me.
I can raise CPC, to get a better placement or offer better service. Or branch to some other platform to advertise my product.

But when a new account comes offering 20 USD via cryptocurrency to use their google account for running an ad, it sure as hell doesn't look good given how many scams run on google ads.


So we aren't just advertising on Bitcointalk. We've got plenty of campaigns that need to be setup, that's why we're branching outside of the agency.

Again if we were to setup a new LLC and everything that's required to run ads, that still doesn't guarantee that Google won't see whats happening. Once they ban one campaign, they don't want you creating others for the same business, website, keywords etc.

If you have a profitable product on a specific vertical and you want to scale it, why not try running ads with your friends or family like you said? Most of these profitable niches come with seasonality so don't you wanna squeeze every bit of profit from them before that trend slows down? It sounds like you tried to do exactly what we're doing but weren't successful....


To start, as mentioned in the thread, these aren't really blackhat ads. We are using blackhat techniques to run multiple ads but the campaigns themselves are selling merchandise for a popular crypto platform. (All designs are done in house and no trademark/copyright is being infringed on)

Double serving on Google will not land you in legal trouble... Even if we were running ads infringing on trademark/copyright, Google would ban the account and that would be that.

banning from Google AdWords services is a sufficient reason to distance yourself from this offer. It's not worth $20.
maybe you could give a closer example here, which type of ad it is (I doubt that someone will steal such a risky idea from you) and it would remove doubts that there is no legal problem besides everything.

I have said my piece.
If I was running a business on google ads, then I would reach out to my friends and family & would rather pay them 20 USD daily for their account.
They would be happy to help expand my business and in return earn some passive income too.
Or I would set up an LLC in a different state under my name & ownership. There are many ways to do this.

But when a new account comes offering 20 USD via cryptocurrency to use their google account for running an ad, it sure as hell doesn't look good given how many scams run on google ads.


OP, himself wrote that there is a great risk to be sanctioned by Google because the whole business is against their TOS. I'd say he was just extenuating, I would say it is 100% certain that the ban will happen.


Sure, there's no denying there's a risk of the ad account getting suspended. I can't say this is too common the way we do it but there is always the risk. Even if you're running a fully legitimate campaign on Google nowadays, you've still got a high chance of random AI misfire suspension...

Our business or the website being advertised does NOT violate Google TOS. However, running multiple ads for one product falls under gaining an "unfair competitive advantage" and this is against Google TOS.

$20/daily for someone who will never use Google Ads is pretty good. Anymore than this and we won't be profitable.


Requirements:
- PC with stable internet connection for campaign setup.
- Credit or debit card to pay Google.
- Bitcoin wallet or PayPal to receive our payments.
There's already a red flag why there's a need to use a credit or debit card. I've applied for this type of marketing before and I was tricked and fooled.
I even submitted my ID for this type of task. I was young during that time and haven't realized that my identities were being used for the campaign of that company.

I think you're misunderstanding something. We don't need a credit/debit card. You just need to have a payment method to setup inside Google Ads. This is done on your own computer. We're not asking for your credit card details....

What if the candidate you choose has to pay taxes on the money they earned? You going to pay the taxes for them as well? Just curious since everything is pretty much kyc these days.

Glad you asked. So our taxes are a little more complicated. You'd be working as an independent contractor meaning we don't need to request any personal information and you'd be responsible for filing your own taxes. Since you won't be receiving the profit from the shop, you'll just be taxed on the $20/day and you file this like you would normally.
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July 13, 2022, 12:27:04 AM
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Even if you're running a fully legitimate campaign on Google nowadays, you've still got a high chance of random AI misfire suspension...
Nt. Google never fires a wrongful suspension.
This excuse may work with your naive clients ofc.

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To me, it sounds like you've been banned in the past and dealt with having multiple accounts banned
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[It sounds like you tried to do exactly what we're doing but weren't successful....
Idk why you keep on bringing what I may or may not have done. This is a topic about your service and not my biography lol


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$20/daily for someone who will never use Google Ads is pretty good
Good luck finding anyone. Since you have agreed yourself that whoever enrolls may never be able to use google adwords.

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why not try running ads with your friends or family like you said?
Yes, why not? Why ask strangers to do that for you and not your own family and friends?
Unless you are running maaaany accounts for same product, which wouldn't make sense because like I already said:  You would  be driving CPC by competing with yourself.
Why not just increase cpc or budget on your own account. Your logic and answer make no sense.
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July 13, 2022, 06:14:51 PM
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Even if you're running a fully legitimate campaign on Google nowadays, you've still got a high chance of random AI misfire suspension...
Nt. Google never fires a wrongful suspension.
This excuse may work with your naive clients ofc.

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To me, it sounds like you've been banned in the past and dealt with having multiple accounts banned
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[It sounds like you tried to do exactly what we're doing but weren't successful....
Idk why you keep on bringing what I may or may not have done. This is a topic about your service and not my biography lol


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$20/daily for someone who will never use Google Ads is pretty good
Good luck finding anyone. Since you have agreed yourself that whoever enrolls may never be able to use google adwords.

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why not try running ads with your friends or family like you said?
Yes, why not? Why ask strangers to do that for you and not your own family and friends?
Unless you are running maaaany accounts for same product, which wouldn't make sense because like I already said:  You would  be driving CPC by competing with yourself.
Why not just increase cpc or budget on your own account. Your logic and answer make no sense.

You haven't setup a new campaign recently then... Ever since June, even our standard one campaign lead-gen/e-commerce campaigns are being suspended. Of course they come back on appeal when someone actually reviews the campaign.

What's interesting to me is the fact you continue to respond here. Sure, anyone on a forum should be weary of anyone promising money and you made that clear. So why are you still here... That's the only reason I bring up your lack of success.

I'm not going to keep entertaining these posts, however to anyone interested who currently runs ads. Read the posts further up, you can still run ads assuming you're not running my exact campaigns with my specific keywords. I'd love for someone with a better understanding of adwords than this guy to chime in here.
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July 13, 2022, 06:22:23 PM
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Even if you're running a fully legitimate campaign on Google nowadays, you've still got a high chance of random AI misfire suspension...
Nt. Google never fires a wrongful suspension.
This excuse may work with your naive clients ofc.

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To me, it sounds like you've been banned in the past and dealt with having multiple accounts banned
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[It sounds like you tried to do exactly what we're doing but weren't successful....
Idk why you keep on bringing what I may or may not have done. This is a topic about your service and not my biography lol


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$20/daily for someone who will never use Google Ads is pretty good
Good luck finding anyone. Since you have agreed yourself that whoever enrolls may never be able to use google adwords.

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why not try running ads with your friends or family like you said?
Yes, why not? Why ask strangers to do that for you and not your own family and friends?
Unless you are running maaaany accounts for same product, which wouldn't make sense because like I already said:  You would  be driving CPC by competing with yourself.
Why not just increase cpc or budget on your own account. Your logic and answer make no sense.

You haven't setup a new campaign recently then... Ever since June, even our standard one campaign lead-gen/e-commerce campaigns are being suspended. Of course they come back on appeal when someone actually reviews the campaign.

What's interesting to me is the fact you continue to respond here. Sure, anyone on a forum should be weary of anyone promising money and you made that clear. So why are you still here... That's the only reason I bring up your lack of success.

I'm not going to keep entertaining these posts, however to anyone interested who currently runs ads. Read the posts further up, you can still run ads assuming you're not running my exact campaigns with my specific keywords. I'd love for someone with a better understanding of adwords than this guy to chime in here.
Sure. Google loves suspending people for no reason. And not because someone really broke their ToS. And now the same person is looking for new accounts while being anonymous too. And whoever applies to your scheme, will get their accounts banned too(which you fail to mention in your OP).

I am not the one enticing people and use their accounts to abuse google ads (There's still a chance that they may end up in legal trouble since we don't know what your product or keyword is).
This isn't called being successful kiddo. It's called being a conman, Know your words.
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July 13, 2022, 06:48:35 PM
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I give zero shits about google. I am concerned about users who might end up in your scheme and face consequences because they weren't aware of the risks beforehand.
 
I have talked to definevalue(check my first post on this thread) on telegram in the past when they were looking to start their own business. They are a good person(and I hope they think the same about me).
My posts are meant as a warning for them and other users like him.

These are the problems with your offer:
  • You fail to mention your product or keyword until now. Someone with a legit business would have done so in their original post. You are looking for an advertisement right? Why be so private then?
  • If there's no predetermined business or keyword, then you can abuse their accounts and probably run ads on any keywords at any time. Possibly landing them in legal trouble too.


Until now you have written 1000+ words with zero mentions about what your business is about  Smiley This fact alone cements my belief about your business being a blackhat and probably very illegal.
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