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July 28, 2022, 01:08:42 AM
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I don't mind if exchanges are drained of supply. I don't mind if an exchange run is happening. I don't mind if these platforms are losing. What's important is that people are beginning to realize and be free.

It is definitely better that as many people as possible become their own bank, but in my opinion the problem is that many of them do not understand the difference between custodial and non-custodial storage. The prevailing opinion is that HW are cold wallets, and that crypto funds (private keys) are 100% safe on them, which is far from the truth.

People still don't understand how important it is to make backups and save them safely, and not to share that backup with anyone. Besides, how many times have we heard that users claim that someone hacked their HW, when in fact they became victims of clipboard malware that they didn't even know existed.

That's right. In general, being our own bank has yet to penetrate our culture. And there are a number of reasons why this is the case. For one, a lot of people don't mind. They don't mind keeping their funds in banks. It gives them a certain level of comfort. Even those technology-savvy individuals who are very much aware of the option to self-custody don't seem to embrace it.

On the other hand, many of those who are attracted of the idea to self-custody lack the complete knowledge to do so. I have to admit, it sounds easy but it probably isn't. The nitty-gritty of security is much more complex than it seems. For example, one may easily fall to a scammer who introduced himself/herself as an official Ledger staff.
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July 28, 2022, 10:43:09 AM
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On the other hand, many of those who are attracted of the idea to self-custody lack the complete knowledge to do so. I have to admit, it sounds easy but it probably isn't. The nitty-gritty of security is much more complex than it seems. For example, one may easily fall to a scammer who introduced himself/herself as an official Ledger staff.

Especially after hundreds of thousands of their customers are faced with a data leak, and hackers have had a database to target individual users for some time. Regardless of all possible warnings, there will always be those who are too naive to believe in cheap tricks. However, online threats are on a completely different level than the physical ones, which can arise from the fact that the information that a certain person owns HW is publicly available.

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July 28, 2022, 04:01:12 PM
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What do you mean by personal wallets? If you mean non-custodial wallets then it's because hardware wallets are more secure than non-custodial wallets.
In terms of security hardware wallets provide more security than other non-custodial wallets such as trust wallets and the rest, but a large number of Bitcoin holders who see ledger cold wallet as an expensive wallet to buy will rather store their coins in a noncustodial wallet and have the keys properly protected and never connect to an unsecured network, to avoid data compromised.

Yes ofcourse. In fact many of the crypto users in my circle are the one who use a non custodial wallet.
It makes sense to use these wallets since these are better than centralized ones but if the amount of crypto is anywhere more than $1000,
then I think it is better to invest a few dollars in buying a hardware wallet instead.
It is a one time investment after all.

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July 28, 2022, 11:07:30 PM
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The demand for hardware with wallets have increased over the years. This in particular is due to the increased demand for cryptocurrency usage. From the days of pandemic people have started to explore online and find all possible ways of investment. As a result bitcoin is one among the much trusted investment and to keep it secure more wallets are in need.

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July 29, 2022, 05:09:15 PM
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In fact many of the crypto users in my circle are the one who use a non custodial wallet.
It makes sense to use these wallets since these are better than centralized ones but if the amount of crypto is anywhere more than $1000,
then I think it is better to invest a few dollars in buying a hardware wallet instead.
It is a one time investment after all.
I mean sure if you want to, but I do not see the point of it. My entire savings are in 3 places right now, one is binance, the biggest one, second is metamask which is technically good and allows you to do easily what you would normally be able to do yourself anyway, and lastly a tiny bit in electrum, nothing big there though, it is very small and could be hacked today and I wouldn't care, it would be scary to know I am hacked, but not to know I lost that small amount.

So, I never had the feel to buy a ledger or a trezor or anything like that, metamask type of stuff are understandable, but that’s about it, I do not think that physical ones are really needed.

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July 29, 2022, 07:05:24 PM
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What do you mean by personal wallets? If you mean non-custodial wallets then it's because hardware wallets are more secure than non-custodial wallets.
In terms of security hardware wallets provide more security than other non-custodial wallets such as trust wallets and the rest, but a large number of Bitcoin holders who see ledger cold wallet as an expensive wallet to buy will rather store their coins in a noncustodial wallet and have the keys properly protected and never connect to an unsecured network, to avoid data compromised.

Yes ofcourse. In fact many of the crypto users in my circle are the one who use a non custodial wallet.
It makes sense to use these wallets since these are better than centralized ones but if the amount of crypto is anywhere more than $1000,
then I think it is better to invest a few dollars in buying a hardware wallet instead.
It is a one time investment after all.
Majority of people would definitely ignore this kind of safe keeping of their coins and would only out some action on the time that the had lost something.Hardware wallet arent expensive compared into the amount

that you are holding for long term.It would really be just worth nor that common sense thing for you to store it into something which isnt centralized or having the full control or access in the wallet and no other
people does have the right on doing so unlike when you are making centralized platforms to be your wallet then it would be an another story.Doesnt matter if the demand gets high or not but we know that
these HW existence is really relevant and it is something mandatory or do really need but sometimes people doesnt really care when they arent experiencing any problems.

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July 29, 2022, 07:27:20 PM
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A hardware wallet is a best and most secured way of keeping your Bitcoin because exchange or third-party wallets are not reliable or secured enough to store large amounts of Bitcoin.

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July 31, 2022, 11:28:26 AM
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In fact many of the crypto users in my circle are the one who use a non custodial wallet.
It makes sense to use these wallets since these are better than centralized ones but if the amount of crypto is anywhere more than $1000,
then I think it is better to invest a few dollars in buying a hardware wallet instead.
It is a one time investment after all.
I mean sure if you want to, but I do not see the point of it. My entire savings are in 3 places right now, one is binance, the biggest one, second is metamask which is technically good and allows you to do easily what you would normally be able to do yourself anyway, and lastly a tiny bit in electrum, nothing big there though, it is very small and could be hacked today and I wouldn't care, it would be scary to know I am hacked, but not to know I lost that small amount.

So, I never had the feel to buy a ledger or a trezor or anything like that, metamask type of stuff are understandable, but that’s about it, I do not think that physical ones are really needed.

So you are basically doing it all in reverse. If you look at it from a perspective of security then the least amount of coins should be held on exchanges.
Most of the coins should be held in a non-custodial wallet or in a hardware wallet.
If the exchange gets hacked then you lose all your coins whereas there are less chances of getting a hardware wallet hacked.

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July 31, 2022, 08:16:57 PM
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In fact many of the crypto users in my circle are the one who use a non custodial wallet.
It makes sense to use these wallets since these are better than centralized ones but if the amount of crypto is anywhere more than $1000,
then I think it is better to invest a few dollars in buying a hardware wallet instead.
It is a one time investment after all.
I mean sure if you want to, but I do not see the point of it. My entire savings are in 3 places right now, one is binance, the biggest one, second is metamask which is technically good and allows you to do easily what you would normally be able to do yourself anyway, and lastly a tiny bit in electrum, nothing big there though, it is very small and could be hacked today and I wouldn't care, it would be scary to know I am hacked, but not to know I lost that small amount.

So, I never had the feel to buy a ledger or a trezor or anything like that, metamask type of stuff are understandable, but that’s about it, I do not think that physical ones are really needed.

So you are basically doing it all in reverse. If you look at it from a perspective of security then the least amount of coins should be held on exchanges.
Most of the coins should be held in a non-custodial wallet or in a hardware wallet.
If the exchange gets hacked then you lose all your coins whereas there are fewer chances of getting a hardware wallet hacked.
Yes, I was thinking @justdimin is going to say the large portion of his funds in a hardware wallet or a mobile wallet with private keys saved personally, but with what ops wrote it seems he has high faith in binance which is a centralized exchange and that does provide key to restore the wallet. So basically since it, is not your keys it is not your wallet so what I can say is to hold the big amount in the personal wallet and only store trading coins in an exchange for ease of trading.
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July 31, 2022, 08:34:24 PM
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In fact many of the crypto users in my circle are the one who use a non custodial wallet.
It makes sense to use these wallets since these are better than centralized ones but if the amount of crypto is anywhere more than $1000,
then I think it is better to invest a few dollars in buying a hardware wallet instead.
It is a one time investment after all.
I mean sure if you want to, but I do not see the point of it. My entire savings are in 3 places right now, one is binance, the biggest one, second is metamask which is technically good and allows you to do easily what you would normally be able to do yourself anyway, and lastly a tiny bit in electrum, nothing big there though, it is very small and could be hacked today and I wouldn't care, it would be scary to know I am hacked, but not to know I lost that small amount.

So, I never had the feel to buy a ledger or a trezor or anything like that, metamask type of stuff are understandable, but that’s about it, I do not think that physical ones are really needed.

So you are basically doing it all in reverse. If you look at it from a perspective of security then the least amount of coins should be held on exchanges.
Most of the coins should be held in a non-custodial wallet or in a hardware wallet.
If the exchange gets hacked then you lose all your coins whereas there are fewer chances of getting a hardware wallet hacked.
Yes, I was thinking @justdimin is going to say the large portion of his funds in a hardware wallet or a mobile wallet with private keys saved personally, but with what ops wrote it seems he has high faith in binance which is a centralized exchange and that does provide key to restore the wallet. So basically since it, is not your keys it is not your wallet so what I can say is to hold the big amount in the personal wallet and only store trading coins in an exchange for ease of trading.
You should bare or accept the risk because if you have decided on storing up your coins on any centralized platform or custodial ones then you wont really be having that full control of your wallet or simply with your funds which isnt something that we do really like for it to happen because once they do experience problems then there's no way that you could get a hold of your coins which
we dont really like and there's high chance that you would lost all of those coins that you had been long time accumulating which isnt something a right thing to be done.
When you do make out some trades then transfer only the amount which is supposedly to be used for that manner and try to separate the funds which are intended for long term holds.

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August 01, 2022, 12:10:21 AM
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In fact many of the crypto users in my circle are the one who use a non custodial wallet.
It makes sense to use these wallets since these are better than centralized ones but if the amount of crypto is anywhere more than $1000,
then I think it is better to invest a few dollars in buying a hardware wallet instead.
It is a one time investment after all.
I mean sure if you want to, but I do not see the point of it. My entire savings are in 3 places right now, one is binance, the biggest one, second is metamask which is technically good and allows you to do easily what you would normally be able to do yourself anyway, and lastly a tiny bit in electrum, nothing big there though, it is very small and could be hacked today and I wouldn't care, it would be scary to know I am hacked, but not to know I lost that small amount.

So, I never had the feel to buy a ledger or a trezor or anything like that, metamask type of stuff are understandable, but that’s about it, I do not think that physical ones are really needed.

So you are basically doing it all in reverse. If you look at it from a perspective of security then the least amount of coins should be held on exchanges.
Most of the coins should be held in a non-custodial wallet or in a hardware wallet.
If the exchange gets hacked then you lose all your coins whereas there are less chances of getting a hardware wallet hacked.
Besides we need to think about this logically, who is a bigger target an exchange or a small retail trader? And the obvious answer is the exchange, so exchanges are facing attacks all the time and coins are lost from time to time, a retail trader which did not told anyone about his coins and used a hardware wallet or a safe OS will have very low chances of being targeted and being hacked, as it is simply not worth the time of hackers to go after someone with such a low amount of money.
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