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July 29, 2022, 02:09:30 PM
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If everyone thought that way, we wouldn't hear about fixed matches and corruption. It would make our world a fairer place, but unfortunately we see a completely different picture. People are willing to betray not only their own honor and the honor of their country, but to sacrifice the well-being of the people around them in the pursuit of their own profit. The idea of general well-being is too far away for many people.

I think this to be an isolated case as I know there exist fixed matches but that are not so evident as this one.In fact I have seen where I live now as the capital city has a couple of teams here and all the people were saying this game is going to end like this and this x team will win while I was thinking to myself that these persons are just delusional and crazy.I decided to go to the stadium despite not being a fan of neither of the teams playing.The stronger team was also leading the Championship and the game was for the cup of the country.So the weaker team which was relegated in that season happened to lose 2-0 the same result as they had won the first leg but the team leading the Championship lost so many occasions that I was a bit in doubt.What cleared my doubt were the penalties,they hit like 17-18 penalties before it was settled and the weaker team won and qualified further.All the words I heard were right but very few people were convinced that this was a fixed game as both teams played a much better theater than football.

This kind of fixed match is planned very well.  They had considered all the angles not to be suspicious in the eyes of the viewers.  That might be an epic match where the underdog wins after a "very hard" planned match if that wasn't rigged.

I believe when the players are playing for their country - when they are representing their nation. They should not lose their honour nor they should lose their dignity.
They should uphold their morals and they should keep their head and chin high. Wrong means wrong. Whatever the situation is.

Sometimes,  money and threat weigh more than the honor you are talking about.   Players are either forced to participate in rigged matches because he was threatened or volunteer because of money.



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July 29, 2022, 07:03:05 PM
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I believe when the players are playing for their country - when they are representing their nation. They should not lose their honour nor they should lose their dignity.
They should uphold their morals and they should keep their head and chin high. Wrong means wrong. Whatever the situation is.

Sometimes,  money and threat weigh more than the honor you are talking about.   Players are either forced to participate in rigged matches because he was threatened or volunteer because of money.
Even in this case there are not a few players who want to be ruthless in football which makes things like this look normal for the league circles with the emphasis on money rather than honor.
Obviously money is still one of the things that can make people like this because even though this is quite surprising, greed can be blind.

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July 29, 2022, 07:47:13 PM
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Well i cant put more words, the video says it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsB15QKz9No&ab_channel=EBDSports


I really think this damage the trust in the sports bets , or anything related to the sport gambling, i know a lot can say its a kind of protest but still really unclear.


Unfortunately, the fixing of the results of the matches happens all the time. For many underpaid players, this can be a very profitable business. However, in such obvious cases as the one in the attached video, the pinishment for players should be very high. This spoils not only the betting, but the sport as a whole.
I guess no matter how we aim to see a good and ideal match, fixed matches are sometimes become inevitable. Some would definitely make it for obvious reason, to get a high offer, bigger than the reward itself. So not surprising that most of the underpaid players are force to do it for the money alone. Although this will damage the whole spirit of sports and its sports betting, but still this video has proved it that it’s always possible to happen in every game or match.

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July 29, 2022, 09:17:15 PM
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Even in this case there are not a few players who want to be ruthless in football which makes things like this look normal for the league circles with the emphasis on money rather than honor.
Obviously money is still one of the things that can make people like this because even though this is quite surprising, greed can be blind.
To make more money is the goal and you shouldn't be surprised if many gamblers are trying there best gambling continuously to earn good and of profits. Many good profits in gambling is what makes many gamblers to never quit on gambling and this sometimes do have effect which could be make us addictive. Some paying jobs can not even give us what we want in gambling and this is alone can make us spend more time in gambling.

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July 29, 2022, 09:27:47 PM
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Many good profits in gambling is what makes many gamblers to never quit on gambling and this sometimes do have effect which could be make us addictive.
People that are addicted to gambling often lose than win, those that gamble more than often usually also lose than win, those that gamble more lose more. People that only profit in gambling are those that do not gamble often, such people have time to analyze and be in their right mindset to choose the best of game.

Some paying jobs can not even give us what we want in gambling and this is alone can make us spend more time in gambling.
Are you sure? Are you one of the people that make it in gambling than your job? I guess not. Best not to depend on gambling, that could be the beginning of failure as the person will gamble with wrong mind set and emotion until he will lose all.

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July 29, 2022, 09:35:29 PM
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Even in this case there are not a few players who want to be ruthless in football which makes things like this look normal for the league circles with the emphasis on money rather than honor.
Obviously money is still one of the things that can make people like this because even though this is quite surprising, greed can be blind.
To make more money is the goal and you shouldn't be surprised if many gamblers are trying there best gambling continuously to earn good and of profits. Many good profits in gambling is what makes many gamblers to never quit on gambling and this sometimes do have effect which could be make us addictive.
But this is not the reason why they should have tricked the bettors. It actually must be fair and no manipulation has been used just to keep sports clean. I know it won't damage all sports events but for some reason, our minds can really think about it from time to time and started to doubt the results. This should not be a practice as this will create a negative view of sports gambling.
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July 29, 2022, 09:50:30 PM
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This kind of fixed match is planned very well.  They had considered all the angles not to be suspicious in the eyes of the viewers.  That might be an epic match where the underdog wins after a "very hard" planned match if that wasn't rigged.

Again, such "fixed matches" works only in third-world countries. I see no "well planned" things here, looks very obvious for me, so in some UEFA (or even less, but EU/UK mathes) such things can't happen. As i said in my previous post here - "The reason why football players get such salary is because they incentived not to do such kind of stuff". But I forgot to add, that if they will try to do that, they'll end in jail.

Sometimes,  money and threat weigh more than the honor you are talking about.   Players are either forced to participate in rigged matches because he was threatened or volunteer because of money

The threat to get into jail is more weighty as we see.

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July 29, 2022, 10:27:33 PM
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Again, such "fixed matches" works only in third-world countries. I see no "well planned" things here, looks very obvious for me, so in some UEFA (or even less, but EU/UK mathes) such things can't happen. As i said in my previous post here - "The reason why football players get such salary is because they incentived not to do such kind of stuff". But I forgot to add, that if they will try to do that, they'll end in jail.

Sometimes,  money and threat weigh more than the honor you are talking about.   Players are either forced to participate in rigged matches because he was threatened or volunteer because of money

The threat to get into jail is more weighty as we see.
As we can see, its in a league that doesn't even make the sportsbook but never the less, its football and should uphold all the rules by FIFA. Local league or not, its extremely wrong for such to be allowed in a competition and it was so unprofessionally done that even someone without any experience of football would know something to be wrong. We can't find such in UEFA and as such, its got little or no impact on gambling as a whole since, these leagues don't even make the sportsbookies.

Either the players are been forced or not, there are rules that govern football and should they seek out those laws with an evidence to prove, they Would have a chance for fairness.  This puts there career in danger and I don't think any sportsman would want that, its just as much as a jail sentence.



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July 29, 2022, 10:58:35 PM
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This kind of fixed match is planned very well.  They had considered all the angles not to be suspicious in the eyes of the viewers.  That might be an epic match where the underdog wins after a "very hard" planned match if that wasn't rigged.

But can't be applied to the case shared by OP. The actions there are too obvious in front of the viewers. I didn't even understand where they got the guts to perform like that on National Television. Maybe that league's reputation is already damaged even before as I'm sure it's not the first time that a rigged match happened there. Seems also that all participants in that rigged match are not even worried about the consequences of what they are doing.

If that's the case, and there's no action from the Sports Community or something related to that in their country, the sports there aren't taken seriously. It's a disgrace if the authorities are not doing something actions to bring back the glory of sports there. There might also be politics behind those as to how they can easily do that act. It's like if there's money, that's a priority, regardless if it's legal or not.

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July 30, 2022, 08:19:44 PM
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Even in this case there are not a few players who want to be ruthless in football which makes things like this look normal for the league circles with the emphasis on money rather than honor.
Obviously money is still one of the things that can make people like this because even though this is quite surprising, greed can be blind.
To make more money is the goal and you shouldn't be surprised if many gamblers are trying there best gambling continuously to earn good and of profits. Many good profits in gambling is what makes many gamblers to never quit on gambling and this sometimes do have effect which could be make us addictive. Some paying jobs can not even give us what we want in gambling and this is alone can make us spend more time in gambling.
I don't think we deserve to call this gambling because indeed this is not gambling but an arrangement made by several parties there.
In the initial context it is clear that this is not just for gambling but there are other advantages that they definitely get from doing something unsportsmanlike like this.

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July 30, 2022, 10:06:39 PM
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Even in this case there are not a few players who want to be ruthless in football which makes things like this look normal for the league circles with the emphasis on money rather than honor.
Obviously money is still one of the things that can make people like this because even though this is quite surprising, greed can be blind.
To make more money is the goal and you shouldn't be surprised if many gamblers are trying there best gambling continuously to earn good and of profits. Many good profits in gambling is what makes many gamblers to never quit on gambling and this sometimes do have effect which could be make us addictive. Some paying jobs can not even give us what we want in gambling and this is alone can make us spend more time in gambling.
I don't think we deserve to call this gambling because indeed this is not gambling but an arrangement made by several parties there.
In the initial context it is clear that this is not just for gambling but there are other advantages that they definitely get from doing something unsportsmanlike like this.

But the thing is, the betting sports industry is affected by this kind of game.  It is unfair for outside parties who is not involved in fixing game because they have no idea about the planned result of the game and may incur huge loss to them.  While the parties involved in fixing games will surely win and gain huge money from the losing bettors.
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July 30, 2022, 10:11:38 PM
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Even in this case there are not a few players who want to be ruthless in football which makes things like this look normal for the league circles with the emphasis on money rather than honor.
Obviously money is still one of the things that can make people like this because even though this is quite surprising, greed can be blind.
To make more money is the goal and you shouldn't be surprised if many gamblers are trying there best gambling continuously to earn good and of profits. Many good profits in gambling is what makes many gamblers to never quit on gambling and this sometimes do have effect which could be make us addictive. Some paying jobs can not even give us what we want in gambling and this is alone can make us spend more time in gambling.
I don't think we deserve to call this gambling because indeed this is not gambling but an arrangement made by several parties there.
In the initial context it is clear that this is not just for gambling but there are other advantages that they definitely get from doing something unsportsmanlike like this.

But the thing is, the betting sports industry is affected by this kind of game.  It is unfair for outside parties who is not involved in fixing game because they have no idea about the planned result of the game and may incur huge loss to them.  While the parties involved in fixing games will surely win and gain huge money from the losing bettors.
I just want to assure you that gambling booking and the prediction is all about luck which everyone know and it is not something that you will be desperate or assure yourself that you win we know that in gambling industry or betting industry what is the major concern his ability to interpret and understand what game is all about but all this it does not assure the possibility of winning again only thing that mean again is the the lock that follows the predictor
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Not really a gamble There is only one association between the occurrence of many players. Although gambling is a known game but the edge requires extensive time to gain experience.
To begin with, you must note that gambling will inevitably continue because there are a few big conglomerates and gambling is being conducted.

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July 30, 2022, 10:37:02 PM
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But the thing is, the betting sports industry is affected by this kind of game.  It is unfair for outside parties who is not involved in fixing game because they have no idea about the planned result of the game and may incur huge loss to them.  While the parties involved in fixing games will surely win and gain huge money from the losing bettors.
I just want to assure you that gambling booking and the prediction is all about luck which everyone know and it is not something that you will be desperate or assure yourself that you win we know that in gambling industry or betting industry what is the major concern his ability to interpret and understand what game is all about but all this it does not assure the possibility of winning again only thing that mean again is the the lock that follows the predictor

The thread isn't about gambling booking, it is about match-fixing or rigged games that affects the result of sports betting.  And I disagree with you when you say sports betting is all about luck.  Sportsbetting is more on skill-based games wherein your skill of identifying a better team is tested.  With it, you do research on every player, the composition, the performance of the previous matches, the strength and weakness of each team and compare them to others.  But all these factor is negated by match fixing that is why, the thread clearly stated that match fixing is damaging the gambling industry.
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July 30, 2022, 10:38:20 PM
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But the thing is, the betting sports industry is affected by this kind of game.  It is unfair for outside parties who is not involved in fixing game because they have no idea about the planned result of the game and may incur huge loss to them.  While the parties involved in fixing games will surely win and gain huge money from the losing bettors.

Actually, that case shared by OP won't even do a slight damage to sports betting industry as a whole.

It's just a few isolated case of live rigged match and it's not even considered a big league. Aside from that, because of what happened, bookies will surely not considered listing all matches even for local bookies or sports betting company.

And regardless if there's a rigged or not, you placed a bet without knowing what's going on. Next time you got disappointed, then don't bet again on that league or totally ignored any matches there. Simple as that.

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July 30, 2022, 11:12:17 PM
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But the thing is, the betting sports industry is affected by this kind of game.  It is unfair for outside parties who is not involved in fixing game because they have no idea about the planned result of the game and may incur huge loss to them.  While the parties involved in fixing games will surely win and gain huge money from the losing bettors.

Actually, that case shared by OP won't even do a slight damage to sports betting industry as a whole.

It's just a few isolated case of live rigged match and it's not even considered a big league. Aside from that, because of what happened, bookies will surely not considered listing all matches even for local bookies or sports betting company.

Well for now maybe, we know corruption starts from a small occurrence and then grows bit by bit when ignored.  If this kind of event happened in major matches (which probably we won't notice because people in there are better players making rigged matches unnoticed) and got exposed, what do you think will be the reaction of people betting on this kind of events?
So sports authorities are doing their best to prevent this type of matches and punishing those who are involved because they know it will have a huge negative impact on both sports and the sports gambling industry.

And regardless if there's a rigged or not, you placed a bet without knowing what's going on. Next time you got disappointed, then don't bet again on that league or totally ignored any matches there. Simple as that.

True that, because we trust the booking company but once the match-fixing is exposed and knew that the game was rigged, would we ever bet again with peace of mind?
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July 30, 2022, 11:30:28 PM
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True that, because we trust the booking company but once the match-fixing is exposed and knew that the game was rigged, would we ever bet again with peace of mind?

Why it shouldn't affect your peace of mind when doing bets? There are lots of reputable big leagues around you can choose from. I can't believed that for just a single or few case, it will broke your spirit on doing sports betting? If there's a confirmed rigged for sure bookies will now delist all matches there until everything was resolved and taken action.

Again, there are lot of big sports leagues around where rigging the game or fixed match don't happened at most of cases. It shouldn't affect your sports betting experience even you mistakenly placed a bet in a supposed rigged match. Just continue to do your usual betting and enjoy the game.
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July 31, 2022, 01:55:21 AM
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I think that all this is based on the total and cruel injustice that we often experience when watching our favorite sports. I have experienced a lot of anger, even in soccer, I have witnessed how the money is there and it is evident in the referees despite the fact that in soccer there is VAR, I don't know, I think that all sports always try to do this type of cheating, for me I prefer to call it as it should be, and it is cheating, if things were done in a more radical way and punishing those who sell their work and stop being impartial would be different, I don't know, but it happens in almost all sports.

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July 31, 2022, 03:43:59 AM
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there is a lot of drama like this in sports despite the fact that in football there is VAR. however, not all local league tournaments (small) always involve VAR technology due to the high cost of the technology.

as you said, I also experience a lot of anger in football matches especially local football in my country. despite all that, what is served from the link will have no significant impact on soccer betting.
Dramas like this will always exist in the world of football, but I hope that in the future dramas like this will no longer be relevant to the efforts of prevention and strict sanctions from the federations in each country.

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July 31, 2022, 06:32:45 AM
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there is a lot of drama like this in sports despite the fact that in football there is VAR. however, not all local league tournaments (small) always involve VAR technology due to the high cost of the technology.
Indeed, I agree with your said. Since the technology needs to be developed more to reach better performance, VAR is not implemented in all league tournaments. So we as an audience, can enjoy the tournaments and do not feel anything and do not watch more dramas as you said. In local competitions or tournaments, the referees need to work hard and clean the games so the players are not cheating. Maybe VAR can help the tournaments and there is a chance that the tournaments do not use the referees to supervise the games.

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