Green trusted user vouching for shady site

[Poker Player]

If that is the problem, then there is no-problem, the mixer have approached Gianluca to run their campaign here for them, they have told him that they are trusted and safe, and he has included it in their campaign thread

Obviously they're not going to say they're not trusted and unsafe, but clearly they're not trusted. I'd expect a campaign manager to see through that, instead of copying the claim.

Gianluca is endorsing the company that has hired him, that is why he has included "safe and trusted" in the thread

In my book, it takes a lot more than getting paid to endorse a company.

And what do we do with all the bounty managers, LoyceV?

I am only the Bounty Campaign Manager for this project. I am paid only to manage this bounty campaign. I will not be held responsible should the developers/project team fail to reach their stated goals/obligations to the bounty participants, investors, and everyone else.
Join (on this bounty campaign)or Invest (on their ICO/IDO/IEO) at your own risk.[/i][/size][/center]

I have taken one at random but there were a few days that I looked at the bounties and I assure you that this phrase is repeated a lot by the various managers.

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[LoyceV]

Okay let's go and change it to not trusted and not safe mixer LOL and make signature campaign

That's not necessary, but omitting the statements would have been better. Just "a new mixer" instead of saying they're trusted (trusted by who exactly?).

And what do we do with all the bounty managers, LoyceV?

If it were up to me: > /dev/null

[Poker Player]

not yet trusted but that's matter of time like I've said already

If I were you I would edit the Ann thread and tell the campaign manager to do it too, as you just admitted you lied, which doesn't go very well for your reputation.

[Shaker_finance]

not yet trusted but that's matter of time like I've said already

If I were you I would edit the Ann thread and tell the campaign manager to do it too, as you just admitted you lied, which doesn't go very well for your reputation.

Admitted your lie ? What the hell you are talking about, again some kind of bullshit lie from you. It's clear that if mixer just opened it's not yet trusted, we were discussing if signature that claims mixer trusted should be here or not and that was the question

No one admitted lie lol man you misunderstood. "Trusted and safe" is marketing slogan, everyone sees that mixer recently open, how it can be trusted ? Even kid would understand that it's not yet trusted, it's not lie, it's just evident thing that I write here. You should fix that thing on my profile because I didn't confirm any lie that's totally ridiculous

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I think you hit the nail on the head. Twice in your two responses in this thread. I have not given you merit because I am out atm.

I had your back but with only two. Don't ask me the reason 🤣

Green trusted user vouching for shady site
The answer is very simple. If someone is sure about the site is 100% shady then they should not vouch for it. I don't think Green trusted or no trusted user matters at all.

Shaker_finance, you need a professional who can handle your PR. The temperament you are showing is not good for your business or safe to say for any business. Assuming you are not shady but your attitude is not helping.

[Shaker_finance]

I think you hit the nail on the head. Twice in your two responses in this thread. I have not given you merit because I am out atm.

I had your back but with only two. Don't ask me the reason 🤣

Green trusted user vouching for shady site
The answer is very simple. If someone is sure about the site is 100% shady then they should not vouch for it. I don't think Green trusted or no trusted user matters at all.

Shaker_finance, you need a professional who can handle your PR. The temperament you are showing is not good for your business or safe to say for any business. Assuming your are not shady but your attitude is not helping.

Yes that might be the thing I need, we will spread service on more forums and more advertising places soon and some kind of manager would be helpful.....

Maybe I could hire Gianluca95 will see, actually need Russian speaking manager because part of the forums will be in Russian

[Poker Player]

Admitted your lie ? What the hell you are talking about, again some kind of bullshit lie from you. It's clear that if mixer just opened it's not yet trusted, we were discussing if signature that claims mixer trusted should be here or not and that was the question

No one admitted lie lol man you misunderstood. "Trusted and safe" is marketing slogan, everyone sees that mixer recently open, how it can be trusted ? Even kid would understand that it's not yet trusted, it's not lie, it's just evident thing that I write here. You should fix that thing on my profile because I didn't confirm any lie that's totally ridiculous

To lie is to say something false knowing it to be false. What you call marketing is lying.

Answer me one thing.

Why should we believe that your mixing service is "safe"?

Is it marketing too? The word is next to "trusted".

[Shaker_finance]

Admitted your lie ? What the hell you are talking about, again some kind of bullshit lie from you. It's clear that if mixer just opened it's not yet trusted, we were discussing if signature that claims mixer trusted should be here or not and that was the question

No one admitted lie lol man you misunderstood. "Trusted and safe" is marketing slogan, everyone sees that mixer recently open, how it can be trusted ? Even kid would understand that it's not yet trusted, it's not lie, it's just evident thing that I write here. You should fix that thing on my profile because I didn't confirm any lie that's totally ridiculous

To lie is to say something false knowing it to be false. What you call marketing is lying.

Answer me one thing.

Why should we believe that your mixing service is "safe"?

Is it marketing too? The word is next to "trusted".

No it's not lying, trusted from our point of view but not yet trusted according to other users.

We already sorted out this thing I don't think there is need to discuss it further

[SFR10]

@Shaker_finance
Since you're already responding to "some" of the issues/problems, it'd be nice to see an in-depth explanation as to why do you think signing a message isn't really that safe?
^{- If there's "really" a vulnerability, we can use your post to warn other users in threads "like this"!}

• Sgning is not safe,
  

  signing is not safe that's correct,
  

  So when you sign you can't take those 20 BTC ?? WTF is this bullshit you are writing. You may sign and then easily take those 20 BTC same way.
  

[Shaker_finance]

@Shaker_finance
Since you're already responding to "some" of the issues/problems, it'd be nice to see an in-depth explanation as to why do you think signing a message isn't really that safe?
^{- If there's "really" a vulnerability, we can use your post to warn other users in threads "like this"!}

• Sgning is not safe,
  

  signing is not safe that's correct,
  

  So when you sign you can't take those 20 BTC ?? WTF is this bullshit you are writing. You may sign and then easily take those 20 BTC same way.
  

I don't want further explanations to prevent other conflict.

[Gianluca95]

Hi guys.

Firstly I’d like to thank Poker player that has notified me about this thread, LoyceV, you should have do it instead of him, but anyway, no matter about it.

I’ve reached an agreement for a management of signature campaign with shaker finance and I’ve funds for other 3 weeks of campaign.

As now, situation is changed, I see that shaker finance has a big red flag related to “potential scam” project that could be since his way of manage users, I’d like to let you everyone know that I’ll close campaign within this evening and will refund funds to the owner.

I don’t want to hurt everyone, and if someone risks to be scammed because of signature, I consider that closin it would be the best option in way to protect everyone.

I’m goin to take this decision now because I see that today many things has happened and I prefer to not work with this kind of business that risks to hurt my reputation built in 10 years.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

@Shaker_finance
Since you're already responding to "some" of the issues/problems, it'd be nice to see an in-depth explanation as to why do you think signing a message isn't really that safe?

Are they thinking the private key will be exposed?
If so they can move some funds from address a to address b. However signing a message is completely safe.

@Shaker_finance, I would also like to know your reasoning of not saying safe.

I don't want further explanations to prevent other conflict.

These people have long history of being trustworthy. They will understand your reasons when you explain them nicely.

[Stalker22]

We already sorted out this thing I don't think there is need to discuss it further

In my opinion, you can have the best intentions and your business can be completely legitimate and honest, but the way you treat other members who have expressed their doubts, some of which are valid, is completely unacceptable from a business perspective. The first thing you should do is hire a community manager and let someone else handle that part of the work, since you don't seem to have the stomach for it. You may have a good, genuine service, but if you're marketing it poorly, or telling your potential customers a bunch of half-truths, they will get the wrong impression.

The second thing you should do is find out what the people who are venting about your business are trying to tell you. Are they expressing concerns that could be addressed? Are they asking for more information on the subject that you haven't provided? Then take those concerns seriously and address them. It's one thing to shut them down and say that you don't care what they have to say; it's quite another to listen carefully to their suggestions and address their concerns.

[Shaker_finance]

We already sorted out this thing I don't think there is need to discuss it further

In my opinion, you can have the best intentions and your business can be completely legitimate and honest, but the way you treat other members who have expressed their doubts, some of which are valid, is completely unacceptable from a business perspective. The first thing you should do is hire a community manager and let someone else handle that part of the work, since you don't seem to have the stomach for it. You may have a good, genuine service, but if you're marketing it poorly, or telling your potential customers a bunch of half-truths, they will get the wrong impression.

The second thing you should do is find out what the people who are venting about your business are trying to tell you. Are they expressing concerns that could be addressed? Are they asking for more information on the subject that you haven't provided? Then take those concerns seriously and address them. It's one thing to shut them down and say that you don't care what they have to say; it's quite another to listen carefully to their suggestions and address their concerns.

don't see the point for further explanations. I didn't like the community of bitcointalk at all, I have stomach to lead the campaign myself but not sure it's good idea. There will be topic with rare updates I guess and that's it. Sign campaign costs much, gets not that much traffic and it doesn't feel like advertising investment we really need now that's why I've written campaign manager to stop one

Those -3 negative comments won't help project as well but anyway if you want to swap negative trust comments I'm in

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Those -3 negative comments won't help project as well but anyway if you want to swap negative trust comments I'm in

You really do not have idea how this forum works. If you had then you would not tell anything about swapping trust comments we know it as feedback.

You are a brand new account and your opinion does not weight any value unless you prove it worth to listen. These users have years of experience and members admire them. Without clearing all doubts you can not make a name for your business because it has came this far.

[Shaker_finance]

Those -3 negative comments won't help project as well but anyway if you want to swap negative trust comments I'm in

You really do not have idea how this forum works. If you had then you would not tell anything about swapping trust comments we know it as feedback.

You are a brand new account and your opinion does not weight any value unless you prove it worth to listen. These users have years of experience and members admire them. Without clearing all doubts you can not make a name for your business because it has came this far.

My opinion weighs, like any other forum participant, no doubts, yours doesn't, because it's not correct. I don't care who are those members, in real life they're for sure just bunch of losers and I drive car worth around 150k$ lol

Actually negative comments swap is solution why not, at least it will have effect on their profile

I didn't start that, they did

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I don't care who are those members, in real life they're for sure just bunch of losers and I drive car worth around 150k$ lol

Poor man I have a private yacht.
35M length, nautro's swan shipyard, build and refit 2015. Cost $14,100,000. do you think anyone care to hear that?

Actually negative comments swap is solution why not, at least it will have effect on their profile

A little education may help. Don't claim of something you know where clearly you have no idea what you are talking about.

[examplens]

Hi guys.

Firstly I’d like to thank Poker player that has notified me about this thread, LoyceV, you should have do it instead of him, but anyway, no matter about it.

I’ve reached an agreement for a management of signature campaign with shaker finance and I’ve funds for other 3 weeks of campaign.

As now, situation is changed, I see that shaker finance has a big red flag related to “potential scam” project that could be since his way of manage users, I’d like to let you everyone know that I’ll close campaign within this evening and will refund funds to the owner.

I don’t want to hurt everyone, and if someone risks to be scammed because of signature, I consider that closin it would be the best option in way to protect everyone.

I’m goin to take this decision now because I see that today many things has happened and I prefer to not work with this kind of business that risks to hurt my reputation built in 10 years.

if you keep the funds for three/four weeks of the campaign, then it is safe there and there is no possibility that the participants will be cheated and not paid, right?
also, the red tag which Shaker_finance received is still not based on the fraud that happened. even though he has a sordidness language, this should not mark him as a scammer.
I would say that the decision to close the campaign is probably not completely founded.

My opinion weighs, like any other forum participant, no doubts, yours doesn't, because it's not correct. I don't care who are those members, in real life they're for sure just bunch of losers and I drive car worth around 150k$ lol

Actually negative comments swap is solution why not, at least it will have effect on their profile

I didn't start that, they did

most of your problems arose because you performed in a horrible manner. halfway through the thread, you accepted the criticism, started showing signs that you would improve things, and hired a PR manager... now when the manager has cancelled your campaign, you are going back to the old regime, and you call other forum members losers
and all sorts of other nonsense.
building trust is no longer a "matter of time"?

[LeGaulois]

OMG it looks like a kindergarten's discussion here...

On Bitcointalk, mixers are always criticized but never encouraged. Just look at all the latest topics about tumblers and who is posting in them. Some even think that if the domain name is 2 weeks old, it's a scam. They expect the admin to buy the domain name 1 year before creating a site lol. I have even see a person receiving a red tag for something he's not even connected .How crazy is that

This is also a trend in the whole "Service Announcements" section but mixers are more prone to it.
From the start, the problem was the way @Shaker_finance was welcomed. And it's the same reason why some mixers don't want to do a marketing campaign. At best, they make 1-2 posts to annonce their mixer and don't come back, or very rarely for updates.

Perhaps not the right way to do it but I understand how @Shaker_finance replies to people. If you create an unfriendly environnement, don't complain if you read unfriendly replies

As for the use of "trusted" and other, well I would say marketing. By the way I didn't see somone here complaining for all others services (no matter the type) that used "trusted' in their titles/text or whatever

[Stalker22]

don't see the point for further explanations. I didn't like the community of bitcointalk at all, I have stomach to lead the campaign myself but not sure it's good idea. There will be topic with rare updates I guess and that's it. Sign campaign costs much, gets not that much traffic and it doesn't feel like advertising investment we really need now that's why I've written campaign manager to stop one

What do you mean by "you didn't like the community"? This is the largest crypto community online, and your business offers services related to crypto. It does not matter whether you like the community or not, what matters is your attitude. As I said before, you are clearly not up to the challenge.

Since you haven't actually run the signature campaign in the real sense yet, you cannot really say whether it brings traffic or not. One week of a campaign cannot be taken as a reference. Besides, if that were true, none of the companies would advertise here, yet we have campaigns that have run successfully for years.

Those -3 negative comments won't help project as well but anyway if you want to swap negative trust comments I'm in

That is not how the trust system works here.