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Haney doesn't need to change his style though because that's his forte and it might be too late if he turns into an aggressive fighter from a defensive kind of boxer, he already reached far enough because of that style and became the youngest undisputed boxer in history of four-belt era. Well if I were Haney, I will be worried if I wanted to become a huge PPV superstar like Canelo. Haney's style and zero knockouts since becoming a real champion have a limited market. But he and his team know this because they tried to fight dirty and brawled against Linares and Jojo. I'm kind of curious though like who will Haney face next after this rematch because frankly, his chances to win again this rematch is much higher compared to Kambosos. Just lately, it is official that Lomachenko is back to boxing. Before that, Arum already told Haney that he will get a Lomachenko fight so it should happen early next year. Haney mentioned last year that they might move up to 140. And Top Rank has the most number of popular fighters at 140 which is PPV worthy for Haney like its former undisputed champion Josh Taylor, ex-champion Jose Ramirez, Chon Zepeda, newcomer Teofimo Lopez, and Arnold Barboza. And if Haney prefers to stay at lightweight a little longer then he can defend his belts against the super-featherweight unified champion, Shakur Stevenson in a megafight.
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August 18, 2022, 06:23:27 PM |
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So Bob Arum is being futuristic for Devin Haney and is expecting another easy win by the undisputed champion. Bob said that Haney will get a Lomachenko fight although the Ukrainian needs a tune-up fight first. Devin Haney will have a lot of options if he beats Kambosos again. Inside Top Rank, there's Vassily Lomachenko, Shakur Stevenson, Teofimo Lopez, maybe Josh Taylor too if he will stay at 140, and Jose Ramirez. Outside of Top Rank, there's Tank Davis and Ryan Garcia.
Yes, we all know that it should be Kambosos vs Loma initially, but because of the war in his native country, Loma wasn't able to do that. So it is just right that he will get a first chance against Haney after the Kambosos rematch to get that title back. For casual fans, might not be good and boring because of Haney's style, but that will be tested against the best tactician we have. So style makes fight here. It could be like Loma vs Rigo though ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) At least Haney does not run a lot like Rigo, LOL.. Anyway, we cannot change the style of Haney, he is very effective with his style that's why he will continue to stick with that, and as long as he fights popular boxers and beat them, he should get a big fight that will make him earn big payday. Haney doesn't need to change his style though because that's his forte and it might be too late if he turns into an aggressive fighter from a defensive kind of boxer, he already reached far enough because of that style and became the youngest undisputed boxer in history of four-belt era. I'm kind of curious though like who will Haney face next after this rematch because frankly, his chances to win again this rematch is much higher compared to Kambosos. Haney's camp knows that, it is their advantage against their opponent so why change it up, better to enhance and add some counters in case aggressive attacks comes up from the other side he needs to make sure that aside from protecting himself he is also willing to gamble with solid combinations. Though for sure we will see more surprises from these two fighters, both are aiming to win and bring more hypes to their respective careers. Let's talk about the next fight when he concludes this rematch and not to allow Kambosos to regain his title.
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August 18, 2022, 10:10:55 PM |
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Haney doesn't need to change his style though because that's his forte and it might be too late if he turns into an aggressive fighter from a defensive kind of boxer, he already reached far enough because of that style and became the youngest undisputed boxer in history of four-belt era. Well if I were Haney, I will be worried if I wanted to become a huge PPV superstar like Canelo. Haney's style and zero knockouts since becoming a real champion have a limited market. But he and his team know this because they tried to fight dirty and brawled against Linares and Jojo. I'm kind of curious though like who will Haney face next after this rematch because frankly, his chances to win again this rematch is much higher compared to Kambosos. Just lately, it is official that Lomachenko is back to boxing. Before that, Arum already told Haney that he will get a Lomachenko fight so it should happen early next year. Haney mentioned last year that they might move up to 140. And Top Rank has the most number of popular fighters at 140 which is PPV worthy for Haney like its former undisputed champion Josh Taylor, ex-champion Jose Ramirez, Chon Zepeda, newcomer Teofimo Lopez, and Arnold Barboza. And if Haney prefers to stay at lightweight a little longer then he can defend his belts against the super-featherweight unified champion, Shakur Stevenson in a megafight. Haney has a lot of options indeed, I would like to see him against Loma, but also other 135 lbs Ryan Garcia and Tank Davis because it is going to be an intriguing matchup. Not sure if his style will be suited up for 140 lbs, yes he can go up in weight, but it could be very difficult for him to match against any of those champions. He was almost exposed in the Linares right. If not for Jorge gassing out and his old age, he could probably won that fight.
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August 19, 2022, 12:30:28 AM |
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Devin Haney trolling his rival Teofimo Lopez. His latest tweet was only a few minutes after Teofimo's win and many noticed it right away, especially ESPN's ringside commentators of the fight. I love it. Keep the heat going on. At least Haney walks the talk and is an undisputed champ, unlike Ryan Garcia who only owns social media belts. But Haney should not look past Kambosos though as that ex-champ has nothing to lose and might go all in their rematch.
Definitely Garcia only own social media belt lol, if Garcia didn't scared to face Tank, why did he move up to the next weight ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ? Yeah, love that social media belt monicker because it is true, he calls out someone but then it's all in the media and the fight is not made. Well it turn Lopez is still a big head person and I think he wouldn't change his character even if he suffer from the second losses, Lopez need to move on lol and not claiming anymore if he's the best on his previous weight division. It's already over and yeah, I believe Haney wouldn't lost against other good boxers since he have a fight style which would make him favor on the judges.
The way I see it, that is Garcia's personality, I mean if he could just emulate Oscar when he was young, no trash talking but just wanting to fight the best. But Oscar protege is different, Garcia want's to get all the attention even not related to boxing. But hopefully him and Haney could go fight at 140 pounds in the future.
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August 19, 2022, 12:12:09 PM |
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The way I see it, that is Garcia's personality, I mean if he could just emulate Oscar when he was young, no trash talking but just wanting to fight the best. But Oscar protege is different, Garcia want's to get all the attention even not related to boxing. But hopefully him and Haney could go fight at 140 pounds in the future.
Everyone has a different personality, that's him, he is showing his real color, he is like Mayweather who loves to get the attention of the people, who knows that's helping him to gain confidence in the fight and probably make more money. We cannot judge though, he is still undefeated til now, so he deserved huge respect as a boxer.
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August 19, 2022, 03:36:50 PM |
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Devin Haney trolling his rival Teofimo Lopez. His latest tweet was only a few minutes after Teofimo's win and many noticed it right away, especially ESPN's ringside commentators of the fight. I love it. Keep the heat going on. At least Haney walks the talk and is an undisputed champ, unlike Ryan Garcia who only owns social media belts. But Haney should not look past Kambosos though as that ex-champ has nothing to lose and might go all in their rematch.
Definitely Garcia only own social media belt lol, if Garcia didn't scared to face Tank, why did he move up to the next weight ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ? Well it turn Lopez is still a big head person and I think he wouldn't change his character even if he suffer from the second losses, Lopez need to move on lol and not claiming anymore if he's the best on his previous weight division. It's already over and yeah, I believe Haney wouldn't lost against other good boxers since he have a fight style which would make him favor on the judges. It's not really clear why Garcia suddenly moved up in weight after he fought Campbell but recently after he fought Fortuna, Garcia said that he's more comfortable in super-lightweight division and that he won't move back in lightweight again. Anyway, I guess he will just eat what he said because he is aiming for Tank Davis and Davis a WBA holder in lightweight, so I guess that he will move back down again. Garcia is very tall for a 135 lbs, that's why in his last 2 fights, it was in a catch weight of almost 140 lbs because his body can't take it. Just like when Lopez fought the last time at 135 lbs to defend his belt, he lost it and then he made the move. But he also said that if the money is right specially a Tank Davis at 135 lbs will be available, then for sure he will go back down for this huge fight. Garcia's height has nothing to do why he is having some struggles in 135 lbs., it's just his body is not natural for that specific weight class that's why he did have a catch weight fight. After that he became inactive for quite some time because of some issues but his camp understood that he will climb in the upper division when he will step back in the ring again, so there he is fighting Tagoe and Fortuna respectively in 140 lbs.
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August 19, 2022, 03:38:42 PM |
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The way I see it, that is Garcia's personality, I mean if he could just emulate Oscar when he was young, no trash talking but just wanting to fight the best. But Oscar protege is different, Garcia want's to get all the attention even not related to boxing. But hopefully him and Haney could go fight at 140 pounds in the future.
Everyone has a different personality, that's him, he is showing his real color, he is like Mayweather who loves to get the attention of the people, who knows that's helping him to gain confidence in the fight and probably make more money. We cannot judge though, he is still undefeated til now, so he deserved huge respect as a boxer. But it is his choice, he wants to become popular through arrogance and hype. You reap what you sow. So it is normal that he will have a lot of haters and disrespect because of that. He should walk the talk at least. And I would rather have the record of Lomachenko with 2 losses already but is proven and tested. I expect Ryan Garcia to have his title shot next year. Otherwise, he's becoming a joke. And he will lose that fire in him. He cannot fight bums forever.
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August 19, 2022, 04:31:15 PM |
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Haney doesn't need to change his style though because that's his forte and it might be too late if he turns into an aggressive fighter from a defensive kind of boxer, he already reached far enough because of that style and became the youngest undisputed boxer in history of four-belt era. Well if I were Haney, I will be worried if I wanted to become a huge PPV superstar like Canelo. Haney's style and zero knockouts since becoming a real champion have a limited market. But he and his team know this because they tried to fight dirty and brawled against Linares and Jojo. That's for sure but I think his camp is not that concerned because Haney is now the undisputed boxer, so money will eventually chase him as many fighters will try to dethrone him from being an undisputed boxer. But yea, PPV wise he ain't gonna make it and he gonna need his opponent to sell the fight to attract viewers.
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Haney doesn't need to change his style though because that's his forte and it might be too late if he turns into an aggressive fighter from a defensive kind of boxer, he already reached far enough because of that style and became the youngest undisputed boxer in history of four-belt era. Well if I were Haney, I will be worried if I wanted to become a huge PPV superstar like Canelo. Haney's style and zero knockouts since becoming a real champion have a limited market. But he and his team know this because they tried to fight dirty and brawled against Linares and Jojo. That's for sure but I think his camp is not that concerned because Haney is now the undisputed boxer, so money will eventually chase him as many fighters will try to dethrone him from being an undisputed boxer. But yea, PPV wise he ain't gonna make it and he gonna need his opponent to sell the fight to attract viewers. Money wise he needs to work it out to bring more audiences but I guess his camp will not adjust as they are already succeeding from how they fought and as long as they holding the belt challengers will chase them and it will be defending from the handlers and promoters to bring fans to watch the fight, even if it's a known boring type of fight but if a type of challenger will be more aggressive, maybe or it will magnet fans to chase for Haney. There are still fans and gamblers who wanted to see another fighter to bring something and possible to disappoint the champion we never know, basing from experienced there are so many upset from this sport.
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There is still enough time before the date of the fight, so with good promotion and hype around the rematch, it will be possible to attract a significant number of fans from both Haney and Kambosos, who has a large audience in Australia.
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Why are they having this fight again? it's clearly Haney has overpowered and easily beat him in their first match. Looks like they just wanted to give the fans some kind of entertainment where the fans already know the outcome of the fight unless some unexpected happened. nevertheless, since this fight will happen in Australia, it would be a nice experience to watch the next legendary boxer fighting in his prime, the undisputed champion Haney might gonna defend his title for a long time until he retired.
While it is true that there does not seem to be any doubt about who will win the rematch, this is about contractual obligations, Kambosos had a right to call a rematch and as such Haney had no other choice but to accept, for the fans that want to see a competitive fight this is not the best outcome but if Haney wants to retain his titles he needs to accept, besides now he is probably going to get a larger share of the money so it is not like it is a complete loss to him. I don't know to what extent this is necessary for Haney, looking at it from another point of view, Haney has already shown that he can defeat him, I only appeal that Kambosos can be better prepared and that he can give him a good scare and worse than not, win him over, although in estros At times I see it very difficult because of Haney's contention and above all I think that one of the things for which he can go or do this fight is that they offer Haney a good amount of money, because everyone already knows the level of both It is something like the fight that will take place between Canelo and GGG, both boxers have lost fights that are very fundamental and many people have lost faith in him, however, as a good fan, I still want to see this fight if it happens. There is still enough time before the date of the fight, so with good promotion and hype around the rematch, it will be possible to attract a significant number of fans from both Haney and Kambosos, who has a large audience in Australia.
Yes, it is a fact, this fight will undoubtedly have some good publicity, I know that Haney is the favorite and also that many are hoping that it will give good results, against Kambosos it is a fight that somehow he knows what is coming, and level of preparation must be very demanding, so from a technical point of view I don't think there will be a decision on the part of the judges, but there will be a lot of action without a doubt, on the other hand, the publicity of both boxers must be good, the The business model they have developed is very good, they have kept the fans very aware, they all want to see this fight.
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Devin Haney trolling his rival Teofimo Lopez. His latest tweet was only a few minutes after Teofimo's win and many noticed it right away, especially ESPN's ringside commentators of the fight. I love it. Keep the heat going on. At least Haney walks the talk and is an undisputed champ, unlike Ryan Garcia who only owns social media belts. But Haney should not look past Kambosos though as that ex-champ has nothing to lose and might go all in their rematch.
Definitely Garcia only own social media belt lol, if Garcia didn't scared to face Tank, why did he move up to the next weight ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ? Well it turn Lopez is still a big head person and I think he wouldn't change his character even if he suffer from the second losses, Lopez need to move on lol and not claiming anymore if he's the best on his previous weight division. It's already over and yeah, I believe Haney wouldn't lost against other good boxers since he have a fight style which would make him favor on the judges. He is never going to change but this also means that the perception people have of him is never going to change either, this makes him seems as a sore loser, not only he lost fair and square he is still unable to accept the reality of it, and the worst part is that not only this affects his image but his potential as well, after all how is possible for him to correct his deficiencies in his fighting style if he actually believes he is the best of his generation?
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August 21, 2022, 10:36:37 AM |
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Devin Haney trolling his rival Teofimo Lopez. His latest tweet was only a few minutes after Teofimo's win and many noticed it right away, especially ESPN's ringside commentators of the fight. I love it. Keep the heat going on. At least Haney walks the talk and is an undisputed champ, unlike Ryan Garcia who only owns social media belts. But Haney should not look past Kambosos though as that ex-champ has nothing to lose and might go all in their rematch.
Definitely Garcia only own social media belt lol, if Garcia didn't scared to face Tank, why did he move up to the next weight ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ? Well it turn Lopez is still a big head person and I think he wouldn't change his character even if he suffer from the second losses, Lopez need to move on lol and not claiming anymore if he's the best on his previous weight division. It's already over and yeah, I believe Haney wouldn't lost against other good boxers since he have a fight style which would make him favor on the judges. He is never going to change but this also means that the perception people have of him is never going to change either, this makes him seems as a sore loser, not only he lost fair and square he is still unable to accept the reality of it, and the worst part is that not only this affects his image but his potential as well, after all how is possible for him to correct his deficiencies in his fighting style if he actually believes he is the best of his generation? In boxing, what matter is your style, if your style will help you sell your fights and would give you good money, then you continue with that. Besides, it's only your character in boxing, that doesn't mean it's the same in your personal life. In short, boxing is just a business for them, and for the fans, it's entertainment, we paid them to get entertained.
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August 21, 2022, 10:41:57 AM |
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Devin Haney trolling his rival Teofimo Lopez. His latest tweet was only a few minutes after Teofimo's win and many noticed it right away, especially ESPN's ringside commentators of the fight. I love it. Keep the heat going on. At least Haney walks the talk and is an undisputed champ, unlike Ryan Garcia who only owns social media belts. But Haney should not look past Kambosos though as that ex-champ has nothing to lose and might go all in their rematch.
Definitely Garcia only own social media belt lol, if Garcia didn't scared to face Tank, why did he move up to the next weight ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ? Well it turn Lopez is still a big head person and I think he wouldn't change his character even if he suffer from the second losses, Lopez need to move on lol and not claiming anymore if he's the best on his previous weight division. It's already over and yeah, I believe Haney wouldn't lost against other good boxers since he have a fight style which would make him favor on the judges. He is never going to change but this also means that the perception people have of him is never going to change either, this makes him seems as a sore loser, not only he lost fair and square he is still unable to accept the reality of it, and the worst part is that not only this affects his image but his potential as well, after all how is possible for him to correct his deficiencies in his fighting style if he actually believes he is the best of his generation? In boxing, what matter is your style, if your style will help you sell your fights and would give you good money, then you continue with that. Besides, it's only your character in boxing, that doesn't mean it's the same in your personal life. In short, boxing is just a business for them, and for the fans, it's entertainment, we paid them to get entertained. Just like what we've seen recently, Joshua can't accept his defeat on Usyk. So maybe that's what George felt and so they goes on a rematch. But if the same result is going to happen, will he accept the defeat or not? I highly doubt it. Anyhow, and since Loma has declared his comeback, this two for sure have that at the back of their mind because the winner of this fight will challenge Loma in the next fight. Bob Arum has already set this plan in motion already.
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Anyhow, and since Loma has declared his comeback, this two for sure have that at the back of their mind because the winner of this fight will challenge Loma in the next fight. Bob Arum has already set this plan in motion already.
That's a good news if it will happen, Loma vs Haney, such a great rivalry as both are technical fighter. I like Loma to win but Haney is just too fast, so Loma has to make a strategy that will expose Haney's weakness, which no one knows for now.
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August 21, 2022, 03:20:41 PM |
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There is still enough time before the date of the fight, so with good promotion and hype around the rematch, it will be possible to attract a significant number of fans from both Haney and Kambosos, who has a large audience in Australia.
Their fight was not that bad and I'm sure the fans will not miss this one either because you don't see such kind of fight often these days. Because after winning a championship, they mostly go for other boxers not giving their last opponent some rematch to have a chance to regain his honor. The result might be the same as the last one but still, a chance like this could be his chance to further improve his skill because he already knows how his opponent moves and he can actually test some skills and test his new power punches as well.
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August 21, 2022, 08:53:16 PM |
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Haney doesn't need to change his style though because that's his forte and it might be too late if he turns into an aggressive fighter from a defensive kind of boxer, he already reached far enough because of that style and became the youngest undisputed boxer in history of four-belt era. Well if I were Haney, I will be worried if I wanted to become a huge PPV superstar like Canelo. Haney's style and zero knockouts since becoming a real champion have a limited market. But he and his team know this because they tried to fight dirty and brawled against Linares and Jojo. That's for sure but I think his camp is not that concerned because Haney is now the undisputed boxer, so money will eventually chase him as many fighters will try to dethrone him from being an undisputed boxer. But yea, PPV wise he ain't gonna make it and he gonna need his opponent to sell the fight to attract viewers. Many are speculating about the great performance that Spence has had in all his fights, and there is no doubt, the boxer is very big and his technique cannot be overlooked, which has been very effective, and many boxers take this into account. that they have fought him, also that Kambosos is not a bad boxer, at this point I imagine that he already knows how to fight him, obviously I don't think he will look for the technical part to help himself because it would be very boring and that nobody likes , we like to see the action, the different techniques they use and blows here and there, although if the fight were right now, I think I would go 'for KAMBOSOS, since he really wants to win.
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The way I see it, that is Garcia's personality, I mean if he could just emulate Oscar when he was young, no trash talking but just wanting to fight the best. But Oscar protege is different, Garcia want's to get all the attention even not related to boxing. But hopefully him and Haney could go fight at 140 pounds in the future.
Everyone has a different personality, that's him, he is showing his real color, he is like Mayweather who loves to get the attention of the people, who knows that's helping him to gain confidence in the fight and probably make more money. We cannot judge though, he is still undefeated til now, so he deserved huge respect as a boxer. That is also his way to market himself and his fights, being silent in the industry is no fun for sure as most fans wanted to see boxers who trash talks their opponent while also proving that they can do the talk inside the ring. As for Garcia, so far he can prove what he is saying but he should tread carefully about some things as it might be too much for him. For now, Garcia can enjoy his situation while having a flawless record at the same time because sooner or later, that record will be in a dangerous situation if he will fight Haney or Tank.
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Anyhow, and since Loma has declared his comeback, this two for sure have that at the back of their mind because the winner of this fight will challenge Loma in the next fight. Bob Arum has already set this plan in motion already.
That's a good news if it will happen, Loma vs Haney, such a great rivalry as both are technical fighter. I like Loma to win but Haney is just too fast, so Loma has to make a strategy that will expose Haney's weakness, which no one knows for now. Might be too premature to say it this time because Loma will for sure adjust in the ring first because he's been inactive for almost a year now while busy defending his country against the Russian army during that time of inactivity in the ring. We'll see Loma's comeback first against Ortiz, but I can say that the latter has a smaller chance to win and a fight between Loma vs Haney will be a good fight to see for sure, soon!
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August 22, 2022, 10:22:55 PM |
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So Bob Arum is being futuristic for Devin Haney and is expecting another easy win by the undisputed champion. Bob said that Haney will get a Lomachenko fight although the Ukrainian needs a tune-up fight first. Devin Haney will have a lot of options if he beats Kambosos again. Inside Top Rank, there's Vassily Lomachenko, Shakur Stevenson, Teofimo Lopez, maybe Josh Taylor too if he will stay at 140, and Jose Ramirez. Outside of Top Rank, there's Tank Davis and Ryan Garcia.
Yes, we all know that it should be Kambosos vs Loma initially, but because of the war in his native country, Loma wasn't able to do that. So it is just right that he will get a first chance against Haney after the Kambosos rematch to get that title back. For casual fans, might not be good and boring because of Haney's style, but that will be tested against the best tactician we have. So style makes fight here. It could be like Loma vs Rigo though ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) At least Haney does not run a lot like Rigo, LOL.. Anyway, we cannot change the style of Haney, he is very effective with his style that's why he will continue to stick with that, and as long as he fights popular boxers and beat them, he should get a big fight that will make him earn big payday. Haney doesn't need to change his style though because that's his forte and it might be too late if he turns into an aggressive fighter from a defensive kind of boxer, he already reached far enough because of that style and became the youngest undisputed boxer in history of four-belt era. I'm kind of curious though like who will Haney face next after this rematch because frankly, his chances to win again this rematch is much higher compared to Kambosos. Well we got the answer right now, Loma is back fighting Ortiz. So if by chance he win that fight, he will obviously be looking at the winner of Kambosos vs Haney. Kambosos first defense is Loma, but there are unfortunate events in his country that's why Bob Arum look for Haney as the replacement fighter, and it did good for him as he was able to beat Kambosos. And now they have the rematch and whoever wins and as you mentioned, the chances is higher for Devin Haney to win again. So expect something like Loma vs Haney for the title early next year.
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