Spam reserved post, edit later to hit post quota is back

[tranthidung]

Definitely; I would encourage everyone to report "reserved" posts or ones with ellipses (og kush420 didn't even write a full ellipsis, just two periods, lol) to the mods.  

Certainly we can report such reserved posts, even if they were edited mins or hours later.

Assume they return and edit such posts a few hours later, it is off-context. Because that discussion should go beyond the one happened around that reserved post. I don't say it is off-topic but off-context. Another minus point is edited content is always low or zero value, shit-post actually.

I realize this is probably just one campaign we're talking about here (1xbit)

1xbit and Stake.com campaigns. However, I don't aim at any specific campaign here. It is probably more posters like that and matter is we did not detect them.

[KingsDen]

I have been in this forum for more than 1 year, but some posts would make me think that I am just a few weeks old in the forum. This place is like Zee world - extraordinary everyday
The idea of posting shit and editing later is an idea only lazy pals will come up with. The stress of returning to same post and trying to get a new idea to augment what was posted is not worth it. To me it is more time wasting than typing once. We have 7days in a week, with better planning anyone could post upto 50 without being overtaken by time.

But since the accused is a promoter of 1xbit, we shouldn't be that surprised.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

1xbit and Stake.com campaigns. However, I don't aim at any specific campaign here. It is probably more posters like that and matter is we did not detect them.

I have no idea how the 1xbit are conducting their signature campaign but Stake.com signature is designed to make more posts. They are encouraging users to post in gambling section. I don't want to bring the campaign manager name but this is clearly mentioned in their campaign thread.

In our campaign the more you post the higher your payment.. as long as you can keep a good posts quality.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5400828.0

When someone is chasing for 100 (example number) posts a week then obviously there will be no quality but numbers.

The idea of posting shit and editing later is an idea only lazy pals will come up with.

It's old, too old LOL

[Fivestar4everMVP]

For other members, we can report such posts as spam.

On a forum with over 3 million active users with this number growing day after day, I personally would be very surprised if everyone single user on the forum is a perfect poster.
I also would be very surprised if every single user is so honest to the point that they don't try to game the forum or even the signature campaign they are participating in.
What am I saying....
I am saying that, In every 12(twelve), there is a judas,
In every family, there is that one person who makes him or herself the black sheep of the family.  .

But the good thing is that this set of spammers/gamers are always caught at the end of the day and given the treatment they deserve.

~Snip~

You are newbie but your posts make me curious. Too knowledgeable about forum and 1xbit campaign, then checking shows that

Your first post (1 day after your account registration day) in this forum is jumping to Meta and answering questions about forum rules.  

Good characteristics of an alt account maybe  , or an account used to evade forum ban  .
Nothing serious, just saying.

[_BlackStar]

When you see such posts, there are two possibilities:

• Misclick
• To reserve weekly posts

Misclick, that's definitely rare but possible if the finger quickly pressed ALT+S instead of ALT+P.
I think I've also misclicked in the past but I immediately edited the post before it even reached 1-2 minutes. But if the date has changed, then I believe it is a reserve weekly posts.

We can help managers by reporting users for review mainly because of their habits. If it's about a campaign, let the manager decide what's best. In AndySt's case, I think the manager took the appropriate action.

[tranthidung]

Misclick, that's definitely rare but possible if the finger quickly pressed ALT+S instead of ALT+P.
I think I've also misclicked in the past but I immediately edited the post before it even reached 1-2 minutes. But if the date has changed, then I believe it is a reserve weekly posts.

If they reserved posts to get post quota that means post counting time is mostly ending. I am sure they will return a few minutes or hours later to edit their posts. Very likely that they make reserved posts for their farm and after they done with reserved posts, they will return to each account for editing.

I don't think they will spend days to come back and edit.

[Lucius]

If Theymos allowed me (or DT members in general) to start negging these morons into oblivion, I'd be spending hours each day doing it.  Unfortunately, that wouldn't do much good for 1xbit's collection of shitposters, since the one OP pointed out (og kush420) has lots of red trust, and not even for his posting.  There's a tag from Vod from a few years ago involving an actual scam by that user, and obviously 1xbit doesn't give a shit about who's advertising for them.

It might help with shitposters in other campaigns/bounties, though.  But it's still not a good use of the trust system, hence why people stopped doing it.

As you have already concluded, red tags are not something that would prevent such members from doing the same things they are still doing today. If you are already ready to spend the whole day leaving red tags in their profiles, it would be much more useful to use the "report to moderator" option and hit them where it hurts the most, in the number of deleted posts.

I kicked out several shitposters from the Bitcoin discussion that way, they simply realized that it is not worth it for them to write posts that will be deleted.

[Findingnemo]

it would be much more useful to use the "report to moderator" option and hit them where it hurts the most, in the number of deleted posts.

I kicked out several shitposters from the Bitcoin discussion that way, they simply realized that it is not worth it for them to write posts that will be deleted.

That's really good but it would be much better if we have ban option like temporary from the forum mods if a person receives beyond certain number of deleted posts in short time frame so this can be a lesson for the members who is not giving much concentration about the quality of the posts they were making.

And another thing, people who are posting below those reserved post can be more effective in these cases so anyone who see such posts should give some attention to the post and if the person is doing such kind of thing more often then they should be reported to the campaign managers.

For 1xbit there is no comment because they never going to care anything so we can only hope that mods can take some actions.

[Lucius]

That's really good but it would be much better if we have ban option like temporary from the forum mods if a person receives beyond certain number of deleted posts in short time frame so this can be a lesson for the members who is not giving much concentration about the quality of the posts they were making.

I know from personal experience that in the case of a large number of deleted posts of an individual user, a temporary ban is issued - especially if the user, regardless of the deleted posts, continues to violate the rules of the forum. Just recently, I had one such case where I reported more than 50 posts of one user, after which he became inactive - I assume he got a temporary ban.

This is the only way to send a clear message to the user, and it is up to the user to decide whether he wants to change his behavior or go for a permanent ban.

[tranthidung]

I know from personal experience that in the case of a large number of deleted posts of an individual user, a temporary ban is issued - especially if the user, regardless of the deleted posts, continues to violate the rules of the forum. Just recently, I had one such case where I reported more than 50 posts of one user, after which he became inactive - I assume he got a temporary ban.

Two main factors:

• Total posts made or total messages sent
• Intensity of that activity

If there is same total posts/ messages, the more intensively you do it, you will likely get a more serious ban. I knew it from the case of BitcoinFX.

You sent over 100 PMs with the same format: clear unsolicited bulk PMs. 4 people reported it, making it unwanted & unsolicited bulk PMs = spam. Most others would've been banned much longer.

This is the only way to send a clear message to the user, and it is up to the user to decide whether he wants to change his behavior or go for a permanent ban.

Here but as I know, it is flexible and moderator can ban you after your second time if they consider your case is serious and period of a temporary ban is flexible too. It does not have to be 7, 14 or 30 days.

Staff do not want to hand out bans for unconstructive posts but if we feel that you as a user are continually making very poor or unsubstantial posts due to your paid signature the following bans will be issued:

First offence: 7 days
Second offence: 14 days
Third offence: 30 days
Fourth: Permanent ban

[Pmalek]

Maybe we should have a rule that only the OP can add "reserved" posts into his topic and a bot should have a list of keywords and report the rest of "reserved" posts at sight?

I see that working for a while until these spammers realize what kind of keywords get their posts deleted and they simply change it up a bit. "Reserved" becomes "Rezerved" or "R e s e r v e d", etc.

Theymos could add a minimum character requirement for anyone that isn't the OP. That way, If I wanted to post a single word, I wouldn't be able to. But even that would be abused. Instead of one meaningless word, they will pair it with a few more and job done.   

[Mpamaegbu]

For other members, we can report such posts as spam.

If such posts are from participants of the famed scam site - 1xbit, I think it's pointless wasting efforts in reporting them. Those who are enrolled there and the project they promote deserve each other.

~snipped~

Manager (and forum users) can only see edited if they visit a specific topic to see that post. If the manager only count posts in post history of a participant, it is impossible to know that post was edited or not.

Oh, really? Then that could be a major reason I shockingly find shitposters in some reputable campaigns. Reading isolated posts without following the stream of thought in the thread is likely not going to expose even off topic posts, the same way it won't expose edited posts too. It should behoove managers to do thorough jobs and monitor what their participants post. After all, they say that what is worth doing at all should be worth doing well.

[NeuroticFish]

I see that working for a while until these spammers realize what kind of keywords get their posts deleted and they simply change it up a bit. "Reserved" becomes "Rezerved" or "R e s e r v e d", etc.

Yep, the rules will need to be adjusted every now and then. A silly cat and mouse "game", but I don't see better option.

Theymos could add a minimum character requirement for anyone that isn't the OP. That way, If I wanted to post a single word, I wouldn't be able to. But even that would be abused. Instead of one meaningless word, they will pair it with a few more and job done.   

As soon as they know what's the rule, they can abuse it...


On the other hand, the fact they find out the rules can mean that they've read the forum (i.e. one step forward). Of course, there can be that only their "master" have read the forum and the "puppets" only follow its rules.

[_BlackStar]

If they reserved posts to get post quota that means post counting time is mostly ending. I am sure they will return a few minutes or hours later to edit their posts. Very likely that they make reserved posts for their farm and after they done with reserved posts, they will return to each account for editing.

I don't think they will spend days to come back and edit.

I would also say so if it had become a habit. But I won't think much about how to prevent it because if we come across such users then reporting to moderator is the key solution for handle with them. The habit may not be a violation for the forum, but the bad work ethic of the signature campaign participants is not exemplary.

Red tags are also not the right solution in such cases ^{[as they say],} but it's probably worth expecting the maintainer to blacklist the violator and exclude him from future campaign. But it looks like this thread will change their habit of not getting caught, and it looks like we're going to have a hard time pinpointing the violator.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I just reported a couple of posts by mm2543363580 which consisted of "..", so obviously this shit is still an ongoing problem.

Oddly enough, the main reason I noticed this was because I browse the forum by looking at my unread threads page, and the above joker had been the last poster in multiple recent threads and that prompted me to take a look at what he was doing.  Anyone else noticing members posting ellipses as placeholders?

[LoyceV]

I just reported a couple of posts by mm2543363580 which consisted of ".."

He doesn't have a signature, only an avatar. That makes the account look as if it's banned, but it's not.
I checked 6 of his last posts, all were edited. I checked my unedited post archive, and this month he made about 27 posts in which he responds to a quote with "..", "...", "...." or ".....". He should be banned.