I would like to address my negative trust feedback and apologise

[8bethub]

Hi there, i am the owner of 8bethub.com

We started off on the wrong foot, as our gambling platform was put through some tough criticism which most was accepted, and worked upon. I would like to take this opportunity to address our negative trust feedback and try show you guys how we have sorted it out, and that we are not a scammy casino at all.

I will start in order, with @RHavar 's feedback: "Running a pirated casino, which makes it impossible to trust (e.g. in their announcement claims "We use a sophisticated coin selection algorithm tailored to 8bethub" which is just some text they copied from bustadice without going through the effort of making their own coin selection etc. etc. "

I understood his point and agreed to him being upset about it, however, what we meant in the description of our website, although sounded similar, had a different meaning as we work differently to bustadice, and offer more coins to play with, hence why the words being used, I understand they meant something different, but so did we. We are not a scammy pirated casino at all, and we have had a dozen of people come from here and trust us with deposits, from which we gave withdrawals too.

To fix this, we have eliminated the similar homepage from 8bethub and now we are fully working based on the play page only, whilst we create our very own design.

Secondly, @devans ' comment: "In addition to obviously plagiarizing large parts of bustadice.com, 8bethub is also using bustadice's code without its permission. "

This links to the above, as the part we got inspired from them was totally removed, all text that was any similar, also removed. The codes he is referring to were the scripts on github, also removed and we are working hard to make our own scripts. However, the backend to our site is fully ours, completely different, as you know how hard it is to copy a website's code entirely.

To fix this, we have removed all similarity in the mentioned parts above.

Lastly, @TwitchySeal said "Using someone else's work without their permission. Red flag. " which I hope we have covered by now and you may please check, here 8bethub.com as I am happy to work and change anything else you may have an issue with.

I sincerely apologise to have started like this, and would like to say I am myself an ex player of both bustabit and bustadice and I admire both platforms, to be seen by them, even in this negative manner was a wow moment for me, I am trying to prove that we deserve a second chance, and all feedback was as you can see taken in and worked upon.

I would like for those things to potentially be understood and the negative ratings removed so that we may continue here, starting fresh.

[examplens]

We are not a scammy pirated casino at all, and we have had a dozen of people come from here and trust us with deposits, from which we gave withdrawals too.

Can you prove that here, to show your license or anything?

The codes he is referring to were the scripts on github, also removed and we are working hard to make our own scripts. However, the backend to our site is fully ours, completely different, as you know how hard it is to copy a website's code entirely.

So, do you even haven't your software? how did you even get legit without the basic software to work with?

Do you really understand what your whole business looks like after all?

even in this negative manner was a wow moment for me, I am trying to prove that we deserve a second chance, and all feedback was as you can see taken in and worked upon.

To be honest, it's good to try to reach at least a neutral rating. I don't even think it will happen.

I would like for those things to potentially be understood and the negative ratings removed so that we may continue here, starting fresh.

I don't it's enough to say you're sorry and your unprofessional and dishonorable behavior should be forgotten. all scammers say that, after removing the stolen articles or code.
you only recognized the problem after it was pointed out to you, and that is the basis of the problem. you simply showed yourself to be a person who has no sense if he does something dishonorable.
you did not convince me with your pathetic letter, sort everything out first, then ask for forgiveness. But you are very far from that.

[8bethub]

We are not a scammy pirated casino at all, and we have had a dozen of people come from here and trust us with deposits, from which we gave withdrawals too.

Can you prove that here, to show your license or anything?

The codes he is referring to were the scripts on github, also removed and we are working hard to make our own scripts. However, the backend to our site is fully ours, completely different, as you know how hard it is to copy a website's code entirely.

So, do you even haven't your software? how did you even get legit without the basic software to work with?

Do you really understand what your whole business looks like after all?

even in this negative manner was a wow moment for me, I am trying to prove that we deserve a second chance, and all feedback was as you can see taken in and worked upon.

To be honest, it's good to try to reach at least a neutral rating. I don't even think it will happen.

I would like for those things to potentially be understood and the negative ratings removed so that we may continue here, starting fresh.

I don't it's enough to say you're sorry and your unprofessional and dishonorable behavior should be forgotten. all scammers say that, after removing the stolen articles or code.
you only recognized the problem after it was pointed out to you, and that is the basis of the problem. you simply showed yourself to be a person who has no sense if he does something dishonorable.
you did not convince me with your pathetic letter, sort everything out first, then ask for forgiveness. But you are very far from that.

Well buddy I understand you are trying to understand the situation, but you are wrong in some ways. There is no software needed, I hired an experience website developer with vast experience in blockchain coding as he created other crash and dice casinos before mine. I can of course prove this, I paid him quite well for the job. The website is authentic and fully ours. Yet no, as this was me purely apologising, we did not steal, copy or take anything, those people i mentioned are unhappy with the fact that we had similarities. I brought this here as a gesture of goodwill, and removed everything they had said, not because I scammed anyone, or copied, i simply listened to them and wanted to make everyone happy!

[examplens]

Well buddy I understand you are trying to understand the situation, but you are wrong in some ways. There is no software needed, I hired an experience website developer with vast experience in blockchain coding as he created other crash and dice casinos before mine. I can of course prove this, I paid him quite well for the job. The website is authentic and fully ours. Yet no, as this was me purely apologising, we did not steal, copy or take anything, those people i mentioned are unhappy with the fact that we had similarities. I brought this here as a gesture of goodwill, and removed everything they had said, not because I scammed anyone, or copied, i simply listened to them and wanted to make everyone happy!

eh, if only I had a dollar for every time I heard a scenario like this. You pay someone for a job, but he did the plagiarism trick on you.
I've been looking at your site and I think all the negative reviews are spot on. better try to give all the answers about your illegal casino, though I doubt you're offering anything substantial.

after all that's been said, I'm getting closer to red-tagging you.

[yahoo62278]

If you had all this money to pay a developer and players and whatever else, why not just spend a little more and buy the license from bustadice/bustabit owner? You would have saved yourself a lot of headache by doing so.

[8bethub]

Well buddy I understand you are trying to understand the situation, but you are wrong in some ways. There is no software needed, I hired an experience website developer with vast experience in blockchain coding as he created other crash and dice casinos before mine. I can of course prove this, I paid him quite well for the job. The website is authentic and fully ours. Yet no, as this was me purely apologising, we did not steal, copy or take anything, those people i mentioned are unhappy with the fact that we had similarities. I brought this here as a gesture of goodwill, and removed everything they had said, not because I scammed anyone, or copied, i simply listened to them and wanted to make everyone happy!

eh, if only I had a dollar for every time I heard a scenario like this. You pay someone for a job, but he did the plagiarism trick on you.
I've been looking at your site and I think all the negative reviews are spot on. better try to give all the answers about your illegal casino, though I doubt you're offering anything substantial.

after all that's been said, I'm getting closer to red-tagging you.

Ok so we are going to dismiss the fact there is proof, on an official website where I hired this person and I am working with, all chatting being done on there. You cannot think that as the negative comments were all taken off, there is very little to nothing left of the homepage, which was the page they had problems with. We operate only on the play page! I have proof to back everything i said, all changes, all transactions, proof of deposits even etc.

If you had all this money to pay a developer and players and whatever else, why not just spend a little more and buy the license from bustadice/bustabit owner? You would have saved yourself a lot of headache by doing so.

It is not about all this money buddy, there is no need to buy a license from bustabit, as we are not a crash website. Why buy it from bustadice since we copied nothing either, or are they the dice-casino license owners? Did they patent it? You are right, if i did pay them i would save a lot of headache, but apart from the github scripts (aka the martingale code for example, that is online available to use) nothing was used from their code

[Igebotz]

From my own little language of code and GitHub, I believe all open source code is free to use by anyone. Isn't that correct?

The main issue I expected to see was withdrawal issues and not a few texts copied, so I'll ask again! Is this casino being accused of fraud?

I noticed that every script on the sites is visible to everyone; however, I was unable to read the code; could someone with code knowledge at the very least check it out?

@8bethub I always recommend that new casinos run a week-long honest review campaign to test the site. It could have saved you a lot of trouble. However, it is not too late.

[8bethub]

From my own little language of code and GitHub, I believe all open source code is free to use by anyone. Isn't that correct?

The main issue I expected to see was withdrawal issues and not a few texts copied, so I'll ask again! Is this casino being accused of fraud?

I noticed that every script on the sites is visible to everyone; however, I was unable to read the code; could someone with code knowledge at the very least check it out?

@8bethub I always recommend that new casinos run a week-long honest review campaign to test the site. It could have saved you a lot of trouble. However, it is not too late.

Precisely my point, I get it, because we got inspired by some very little design aspects, i admired their work, nothing was copied 100%, not even half. But fair, I have taken all of that down, now the website has 0 plagiarism, I also understand I should have had nothing from the start, but in my opinion it did not! In their, they thought it did and out of respect I took it down, and publicly apologised.

The casino is totally legitimate, there is deposits, withdrawals, from IP addresses around the world, I would really not be able to fake this, I have all of this as proof. Not a single withdrawal issue or deposit being missing. Sure! the backend is totally fully ours. Again, I should have not even used anything similar, or the github similarity, it is all done, it was a mistake that will not happen again. I listen to every feedback, nothing was stolen, copied or faked or anything else. Their permission should have been asked for from the start even for the little elements we got inspired from, which I am at fault and coming here transparent to say.


Also. what does this honest review campaign consist of if you dont mind expanding a bit, I would like to know.

[Igebotz]

Also. what does this honest review campaign consist of if you dont mind expanding a bit, I would like to know.

Where a few reputable members are asked to deposit, make a one-time wager, and try the withdrawal option, as well as give honest reviews about the site, and get paid for test running the site in order to build trust here. I sent you a link.

[ABCbits]

From my own little language of code and GitHub, I believe all open source code is free to use by anyone. Isn't that correct?

This isn't true, bustadice doesn't give license to their source code. Without any license it only means the source code is available and usually it's interpreted as all rights reserved. But even with license, usually there are few limitation and obligation. Here's snippet from GitHub documentation,

You're under no obligation to choose a license. However, without a license, the default copyright laws apply, meaning that you retain all rights to your source code and no one may reproduce, distribute, or create derivative works from your work. If you're creating an open source project, we strongly encourage you to include an open source license.

[8bethub]

From my own little language of code and GitHub, I believe all open source code is free to use by anyone. Isn't that correct?

This isn't true, bustadice doesn't give license to their source code. Without any license it only means the source code is available and usually it's interpreted as all rights reserved. But even with license, usually there are few limitation and obligation. Here's snippet from GitHub documentation,

You're under no obligation to choose a license. However, without a license, the default copyright laws apply, meaning that you retain all rights to your source code and no one may reproduce, distribute, or create derivative works from your work. If you're creating an open source project, we strongly encourage you to include an open source license.

And this is very fair, the only thing is we have not used their source code, that is what I was saying, not one bit of their backend was used. To automate playing on such casinos, you can use a written code such as martingale, which my developer used, this is also found online free to access, and that is what was briefly used, however, we understand they were not okay with it, and changed it immediately.

[Despairo]

Negative feedback is used for high risk of losing money and to warn other users if an user has a potential to become a scammer. When you're create a casino and blatantly copying other casinos content without any permission, it's a red flag and worth to warn other users due to unprofessional you're. If you think replacing the contents with the original one and ask apologize are enough, you're wrong.

I'd think it should be removed when there's many users already played and have an experience on your casino, this mean you're already proving you're not a scammer.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

And this is very fair, the only thing is we have not used their source code, that is what I was saying, not one bit of their backend was used. To automate playing on such casinos, you can use a written code such as martingale, which my developer used, this is also found online free to access, and that is what was briefly used, however, we understand they were not okay with it, and changed it immediately.

If bustadice does not have any problem then I do not see anyone else should have any problem.

I have not read all the posts from the reference thread but I feel this is too harsh to justify a project, before giving them a chance to defend. If we continue labeling new projects are scam then projects that are looking to build their brand around the community they will eventually lose interest from the forum. I hope we are not isolating us.

The members are free to leave whatever feedback they want but I think a neutral should be more than fine in the case.

[Igebotz]

And this is very fair, the only thing is we have not used their source code, that is what I was saying, not one bit of their backend was used. To automate playing on such casinos, you can use a written code such as martingale, which my developer used, this is also found online free to access, and that is what was briefly used, however, we understand they were not okay with it, and changed it immediately.

If bustadice does not have any problem then I do not see anyone else should have any problem.

I have not read all the posts from the reference thread but I feel this is too harsh to justify a project, before giving them a chance to defend. If we continue labeling new projects are scam then projects that are looking to build their brand around the community they will eventually lose interest from the forum. I hope we are not isolating us.

The members are free to leave whatever feedback they want but I think a neutral should be more than fine in the case.

Absolutely correct! It's crazy how some DT just give out neg tag at any slice chance, and if Bustadice has no problem with other start-up casinos using some of their content, I don't see why some random internet users who aren't related to Bustadice would take matters into their own hands. The site has yet to defraud anyone, and no withdrawal issues have been reported.

The red is excessive; he admitted his mistakes and made amends; I hope the DT reconsiders and gives him another chance. Everyone is deserving of it. Cheers!

Edit;
@devans what do you think? ( Bustadice admin)

[8bethub]

And this is very fair, the only thing is we have not used their source code, that is what I was saying, not one bit of their backend was used. To automate playing on such casinos, you can use a written code such as martingale, which my developer used, this is also found online free to access, and that is what was briefly used, however, we understand they were not okay with it, and changed it immediately.

If bustadice does not have any problem then I do not see anyone else should have any problem.

I have not read all the posts from the reference thread but I feel this is too harsh to justify a project, before giving them a chance to defend. If we continue labeling new projects are scam then projects that are looking to build their brand around the community they will eventually lose interest from the forum. I hope we are not isolating us.

The members are free to leave whatever feedback they want but I think a neutral should be more than fine in the case.

Absolutely correct! It's crazy how some DT just give out neg tag at any slice chance, and if Bustadice has no problem with other start-up casinos using some of their content, I don't see why some random internet users who aren't related to Bustadice would take matters into their own hands. The site has yet to defraud anyone, and no withdrawal issues have been reported.

The red is excessive; he admitted his mistakes and made amends; I hope the DT reconsiders and gives him another chance. Everyone is deserving of it. Cheers!

Edit;
@devans what do you think? ( Bustadice admin)

I would be more than happy for them to have a look, maybe even contact me privately personally, so that I can prove that none of their work is being used anymore, or at any point did we try to be seen under such bad light on here. However, it was me and my team's own doing, which I had some removed and improved I hope, as the website is now changed and made better, I am happy to be supporting bustadice, as a previous player myself, credits should be given to them, however I did make sure to remove related stuff, until I get any of their permission or even attention here.

Also, I am happy to have some people test my platform.

[logfiles]

I remember this case back then. The mistake you made was to keep in denial about some issues until you got the negative feedback. Had you acted proactively in removing all the copied content or even contacting the owners of bustadice about permission to use the code, maybe things could have gone differently.

Right now, the only people who can remove the negative feedback are those that left it to your profile. Some forgive, others don't.
I don't know if you had apologized to them right after the incident, but if you did, and they didn't respond. Then you are going to have to focus on your casino and give them time to see if they can have a change in their opinion about your business in the future.

[8bethub]

I remember this case back then. The mistake you made was to keep in denial about some issues until you got the negative feedback. Had you acted proactively in removing all the copied content or even contacting the owners of bustadice about permission to use the code, maybe things could have gone differently.

Right now, the only people who can remove the negative feedback are those that left it to your profile. Some forgive, others don't.
I don't know if you had apologized to them right after the incident, but if you did, and they didn't respond. Then you are going to have to focus on your casino and give them time to see if they can have a change in their opinion about your business in the future.

Of course you are right, and it was my mistake, however Daniel gave me the red tag instantly after leaving a comment on my thread, and I did email him immediately after from my company email, but I never got a reply. I did email the bustadice mail, maybe that is why. Yeah, thank you for that, it is what I am trying to do, to improve the casino so that I can offer the best services, hopefully with that, trust and a new chance will come too.

[FatFork]

Absolutely correct! It's crazy how some DT just give out neg tag at any slice chance, and if Bustadice has no problem with other start-up casinos using some of their content, I don't see why some random internet users who aren't related to Bustadice would take matters into their own hands. The site has yet to defraud anyone, and no withdrawal issues have been reported.

I disagree. Don't you think it's fair to warn the community if you, for example, find a project with a plagiarized whitepaper or fake team members, or a casino with a plagiarized content and an unlicensed script?

The red is excessive; he admitted his mistakes and made amends; I hope the DT reconsiders and gives him another chance. Everyone is deserving of it. Cheers!

It's a matter of opinion. You are free to exclude the mentioned DT members from your trust list if you don't agree with their opinion.

@devans what do you think? ( Bustadice admin)

I suggest you read the OP's post again, and also the trust feedback left on his profile.

devans

2022-06-27

Reference

In addition to obviously plagiarizing large parts of bustadice.com, 8bethub is also using bustadice's code without its permission.

[8bethub]

Absolutely correct! It's crazy how some DT just give out neg tag at any slice chance, and if Bustadice has no problem with other start-up casinos using some of their content, I don't see why some random internet users who aren't related to Bustadice would take matters into their own hands. The site has yet to defraud anyone, and no withdrawal issues have been reported.

I disagree. Don't you think it's fair to warn the community if you, for example, find a project with a plagiarized whitepaper or fake team members, or a casino with a plagiarized content and an unlicensed script?

The red is excessive; he admitted his mistakes and made amends; I hope the DT reconsiders and gives him another chance. Everyone is deserving of it. Cheers!

It's a matter of opinion. You are free to exclude the mentioned DT members from your trust list if you don't agree with their opinion.

@devans what do you think? ( Bustadice admin)

I suggest you read the OP's post again, and also the trust feedback left on his profile.

devans

2022-06-27

Reference

In addition to obviously plagiarizing large parts of bustadice.com, 8bethub is also using bustadice's code without its permission.

I know that plagiarism, even little, or even if chanced or removed, it is in the end still plagiarism. But what I am trying to get across is that the only parts that were in this discussione were some text elements on the homepage, that were simply close in meaning, not exactly the same at all. I meant something totally different too, which I did explain, however, I did remove that in order to try show that I will improve the platform. And about the code, nothing was plagiarised from bustadice's code at all, the gitbhub repos should have never been used either, and I did makje sure to get this point across to my team by removing the person who thought it would have been a good idea. That is why I am taking this here, as althought his post was valid, there was some sort of misunderstanding too, and I cleared that, improved on that too I hope.

[TwitchySeal]

the only parts that were in this discussione were some text elements on the homepage, that were simply close in meaning, not exactly the same at all. I meant something totally different too

You're making things worse, not better.