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July 27, 2022, 06:34:34 AM
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Despite the uproar caused by Tesla's announcement last week that it has sold 75% of its Bitcoin, the corporation claims to have $222 million worth of "digital assets" as of the end of June on its balance sheet.

The new information was included in the company's quarterly report, which it submitted on Monday morning to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.
A few days before submitting its complete earnings report to the SEC, a company will frequently issue a press release and hold an earnings call. Because of this, information of Tesla's sale of $736 million worth of Bitcoin on Wednesday spread before the firm provided any information.
During the company's earnings call on Wednesday, Tesla CEO Elon Musk added that the company had sold its Bitcoin to raise cash as COVID lockdowns in China continued.

Musk stated on the call last week that the reason for the sales was the uncertainty around the end of China's COVID lockdowns. Given the uncertainties surrounding COVID lockdowns in China, it was crucial for us to optimize our cash position.

But in the hour following the revelation, the price of one bitcoin fell by 2.5 percent, reaching $23,078.18 on Wednesday. According to CoinMarketCap, the largest cryptocurrency in the world by market capitalization has further declined and was currently selling at $21,969.29 per BTC.

Meanwhile, it appears that the news that Tesla had sold a significant amount of its Bitcoin was well received by its stockholders. Prior to the announcement, TSLA shares were trading at $742.50 at market closing on Wednesday. As of Monday afternoon, they had risen 9% to $812.16. According to Yahoo Finance, that is the highest the price of TSLA shares have been since early May.

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My question is what is the relationship linking Tesla corporation and the COVID lockdowns in china?

Or was this just a well laid out plan to raise his trading prices?

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My question is what is the relationship linking Tesla corporation and the COVID lockdowns in china?

1. Tesla has a huge factory in Shanghai, China
2. More lockdowns = less revenue from superchargers or car purchases in general
3. Probably risk control due to the non-zero chance of COVID making a comeback in most countries

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July 27, 2022, 08:24:41 AM
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My question is what is the relationship linking Tesla corporation and the COVID lockdowns in china?

1. Tesla has a huge factory in Shanghai, China
2. More lockdowns = less revenue from superchargers or car purchases in general
3. Probably risk control due to the non-zero chance of COVID making a comeback in most countries

True, however Tesla now uses four facilities that are fully operational. Only one is in China, while three are in the United States. And this is outside the other factories he has in Germany and Canada..
How do you justify his decision now?
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July 27, 2022, 08:27:00 AM
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Meanwhile, it appears that the news that Tesla had sold a significant amount of its Bitcoin was well received by its stockholders.

It should be well received because TSLA is making electric cars. That's their main source of income. They shouldn't play games with the investors' money. If Elon wants to make crypto investments, he should either use his own funds or create a separate company which is about making crypto investments.

My question is what is the relationship linking Tesla corporation and the COVID lockdowns in china?
Or was this just a well laid out plan to raise his trading prices?

I have no idea. If you don't like or understand what Elon does, you should probably stay away from his stocks. Don't touch TSLA, problem solved. There are hundreds of other promising companies out there. Elon's TSLA isn't the only game.

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July 27, 2022, 08:39:22 AM
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True, however Tesla now uses four facilities that are fully operational. Only one is in China, while three are in the United States. And this is outside the other factories he has in Germany and Canada..
How do you justify his decision now?

Doesn't change the fact that one of their big factories is at risk of closing. It definitely wouldn't kill the company but it would slow them down a good chunk.

As for it being justified or not, whatever. Their CFO wanted to manage risk and they indeed did made a financial decision in which they think selling bitcoin was the right move to do. In the end, I couldn't care less, and so should you unless you hold their stock.

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July 27, 2022, 04:07:38 PM
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Their CFO wanted to manage risk and they indeed did made a financial decision in which they think selling bitcoin was the right move to do. In the end, I couldn't care less, and so should you unless you hold their stock.
Exactly! I don't think you should care or continue to care so much about Tesla and Elon musk unless you hold their stock. As far as I am concerned Elon will always do what is best for him and the survival of his companies and you too as an individual should consider and concern yourself with doing what is best for you and your survival financially instead of worrying if Tesla's recent development was in line to raise their trading price.
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July 27, 2022, 04:31:23 PM
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We have to stop speculating about bitcoin and Elon relationship because the 2.5% is not really a big drop to bitcoin's volatility range and 9% hike on the tesla shares is not also a big task, we can just assume all this thing as coincidence and stop giving him the attention he likes to get from the investment community.









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July 27, 2022, 05:48:25 PM
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Their CFO wanted to manage risk and they indeed did made a financial decision in which they think selling bitcoin was the right move to do. In the end, I couldn't care less, and so should you unless you hold their stock.
Exactly! I don't think you should care or continue to care so much about Tesla and Elon musk unless you hold their stock. As far as I am concerned Elon will always do what is best for him and the survival of his companies and you too as an individual should consider and concern yourself with doing what is best for you and your survival financially instead of worrying if Tesla's recent development was in line to raise their trading price.

Not just Elon any business-minded person will do what it takes to sustain their business especially during serious economic crises like this.  You could clearly see there was a reason for the sale, I mean why sell now when they had the chance to sell higher a few months back! After really thinking about it, I feel they did what they had to do and which isn't a big deal because btc price was not too affected by the news. Tesla is not the largest holder of btc and now that 75% of what they used to hold has been liquidated, they are like a tiny threat now. 

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July 27, 2022, 07:39:11 PM
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Elon's said he's losing billions on the Shanghai and other Tesla factories because they all were forced to curtail production from the lockdowns. I don't think this is insincere, nearly every company has had COVID lockdowns slow down sales. If a large portion of your business relies on Chinese manufacturing, it certainly seems within the realm of possibility that your company is hemorrhaging money when the CCP shuts everything down.

Selling Bitcoin to raise cash though is foolish. Surely there were better ways to raise capital.
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Elon's said he's losing billions on the Shanghai and other Tesla factories because they all were forced to curtail production from the lockdowns. I don't think this is insincere, nearly every company has had COVID lockdowns slow down sales. If a large portion of your business relies on Chinese manufacturing, it certainly seems within the realm of possibility that your company is hemorrhaging money when the CCP shuts everything down.

Selling Bitcoin to raise cash though is foolish. Surely there were better ways to raise capital.
Not every business wont really ending up on constant profits or making cash all the time and as we do know and we arent blind that pandemic hits hard and no matter how known or reputable your company is but still it wont really be an exemption into these kind of conditions.
It is really just people cant really believe that his losing up billions just because he had made out some manipulative act in the past where people doesnt really seem to believe
on what he's experiencing now into his companies.
So its his company then it would really be just his rights on what he would gonna do and same into those coins that he had bought if he had that kind of plan on where
he needs funds then its none of our business if he bag sold those coins that he had.

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We have to stop speculating about bitcoin and Elon relationship because the 2.5% is not really a big drop to bitcoin's volatility range and 9% hike on the tesla shares is not also a big task, we can just assume all this thing as coincidence and stop giving him the attention he likes to get from the investment community.

Musk is a manipulator and he's doing what he knows best, which is being a troll on twitter. He manipulated dogecoin, bitcoin, his twitter deal... I couldn't care less about musk and his ideas, but I feel sorry for people who bought because of him and got caught off guard by his sales. Learn from it! Musk will only tell after he's done it and you, the followers, will be the sheep he takes advantage of.
If somebody is now buying Tesla stock because of his tweets, I can only feel sorry for you, because Elon holds so much stock that he can crash the market if he decides to, especially if he persuades his brother to sell with him. By holding Tesla stock you become dependent on these two people. I don't like to depend on anyone but myself.

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July 27, 2022, 09:07:47 PM
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Not just Elon any business-minded person will do what it takes to sustain their business especially during serious economic crises like this.  You could clearly see there was a reason for the sale, I mean why sell now when they had the chance to sell higher a few months back! After really thinking about it, I feel they did what they had to do and which isn't a big deal because btc price was not too affected by the news. Tesla is not the largest holder of btc and now that 75% of what they used to hold has been liquidated, they are like a tiny threat now. 

Regardless if them buying bitcoin makes them somewhat a "threat" or not, they totally have the complete rights to buy and sell their bitcoin as much as they want. People are complaining as if what they did was illegal. People need to get a grip.

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July 27, 2022, 10:22:38 PM
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Their CFO wanted to manage risk and they indeed did made a financial decision in which they think selling bitcoin was the right move to do. In the end, I couldn't care less, and so should you unless you hold their stock.
instead of worrying if Tesla's recent development was in line to raise their trading price.

I think Op asked a good question and that looks educative in itself with the responses too at least the logic and understanding of the reason for the sale is getting clearer for most people and if nothing on that, that they have office in Shanghai, although with offices in other countries. The curiosity however is if they sell such amount in btc to either finance the challenges of covid-19 on Tesla branch office in Shanghai and the covid-19 outbreak persist, what are they going to do ? Shut it down or what ? Selling more btc?

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My question is what is the relationship linking Tesla corporation and the COVID lockdowns in china?
As I was reading through the quote you posted, that was my first question as well--and who knows?  Sometimes corporations give straight-up bizarre explanations for why they do things or why their profits are up/down/sideways.  My guess is that they're expected to give some kind of reason, even if it's not the real one.

And didn't any stock analysts ask any questions like that during one of their conference calls they usually have with earnings announcements and such?  I bet we're not the only ones who are curious as to what a massive sale of bitcoin has to do with lockdowns in China.

Sometimes I truly believe Elon Musk is just trolling the world the way only a billionaire leading a company like Tesla could.  But you know what?  It's better that whatever bitcoin he owned is on the market (presumably) instead of in his unpredictable hands.  I just hope the sale was done so as not to drop the price significantly--I don't know if 75% of their holdings would be enough to do that, but dumping a lot of bitcoin all at once certainly wouldn't have a positive effect.

Let's see when the other 25% is sold.  It probably won't take all that long for Musk to do it; I'd give him a month, maybe three.

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July 27, 2022, 11:47:22 PM
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My question is what is the relationship linking Tesla corporation and the COVID lockdowns in china?



Components, parts and electrical items used to build tesla cars are manufactured in china. Tesla and other US automakers and industries, rely upon a steady stream of container ships from china containing manufactured parts. This is known as the global supply chain.

During the 2020 pandemic, tesla faced semiconductor shortages from china. Elon Musk looked into buying or building his own semiconductor plant to enable tesla to produce its own semiconductor chips in house. Unfortunately, the start up costs of producing a semiconductor foundry are so expensive. (Reportedly around $50 billion, if I remember correctly) That even the richest man in the world couldn't afford to finance it.

Attention given to TSMC semiconductor foundry in taiwan shows the worldwide power and wealth the silicon chip industry enjoys atm.

Elon tried to buy twitter. If he had more money and wealth, he may have bought a semiconductor foundry instead.
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Elon is very good at manipulating market price movements. both in the stock sector and the crypto market.
so I think this is definitely remotely related to the same thing. its all about business and profit for elon.

It's no stranger to Elon paying attention to his company in the Chinese sector. because even since 2019 Elon has been talking a lot about his business interests in China, which have much better potential and seeing the very rapid development in China.
in fact since 2019 In China, sales of electric vehicles (tesla) are growing faster than any other country, and already account for about 4% of the Chinese auto market. and continues to increase. but covid-19 becomes an obstacle and lowers the level of the market which is originally positive and reverses it. so it's only natural that Elon is now doing things as reported. because Covid-19 has had a huge impact on Elon's companies there. If the control of covid in China can be resolved immediately, Elon's business will become more optimal and can aim for a more positive market. Until 2021, Elon is flattering a lot about China. either he licks. I do not know. but what is clear is that he has an interest there and it is again a matter of moving prices and making a profit.

related to BTC which has been sold by tesla. then that could actually be good news. because in reality the news is not strong enough to drop btc any deeper.
even TRON said it would collect the amount of BTC Tesla sells.
Elon's influence is now starting to wane.


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July 28, 2022, 03:01:54 AM
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(...)My question is what is the relationship linking Tesla corporation and the COVID lockdowns in china?

Or was this just a well laid out plan to raise his trading prices?
I don't have much to speculate about his behavior towards the crypto market. should also look at the matter from a different angle, as we all see that Elon Musk has brought positive and negative signals to the market through several stages of its development. As it grows, people call him god and now a bad guy. Each will judge and see the matter from their own understanding. In a market where most people want to benefit from it, and influencers will always face problems like this, I know not only Elon Musk but many other influencers are also being talked about.
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(...)My question is what is the relationship linking Tesla corporation and the COVID lockdowns in china?

Or was this just a well laid out plan to raise his trading prices?
I don't have much to speculate about his behavior towards the crypto market. should also look at the matter from a different angle, as we all see that Elon Musk has brought positive and negative signals to the market through several stages of its development. As it grows, people call him god and now a bad guy. Each will judge and see the matter from their own understanding. In a market where most people want to benefit from it, and influencers will always face problems like this, I know not only Elon Musk but many other influencers are also being talked about.

I guess if you are not that new in the market, you know such personalities like Musk can easily influenc the price. However, sooner or later crypto investors are getting smarter and will stir away from him specially if he open his mouth and talked about bitcoin.

And I don't think there is some kind of magic trick here, more on a business move on his part. Selling bitcoin, which he uses as an hedge and investment for his company. And since everyone's business is suffering due to the lockdown, specially his factory in China, he need cash flows now and the best move for Tesla is to sold their BTC holdings.

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(...)My question is what is the relationship linking Tesla corporation and the COVID lockdowns in china?

Or was this just a well laid out plan to raise his trading prices?
I don't have much to speculate about his behavior towards the crypto market. should also look at the matter from a different angle, as we all see that Elon Musk has brought positive and negative signals to the market through several stages of its development. As it grows, people call him god and now a bad guy. Each will judge and see the matter from their own understanding. In a market where most people want to benefit from it, and influencers will always face problems like this, I know not only Elon Musk but many other influencers are also being talked about.

I guess if you are not that new in the market, you know such personalities like Musk can easily influenc the price. However, sooner or later crypto investors are getting smarter and will stir away from him specially if he open his mouth and talked about bitcoin.

And I don't think there is some kind of magic trick here, more on a business move on his part. Selling bitcoin, which he uses as an hedge and investment for his company. And since everyone's business is suffering due to the lockdown, specially his factory in China, he need cash flows now and the best move for Tesla is to sold their BTC holdings.

The magic trick he always used is his company so maybe some people will get easily affected when there's a news about tela's action made, before it was really effective since if you look at the doge coin Tesla or Elon really make the price of it skyrocket. But now its hard for him to stir down the scene as the latest action they do didn't really give any huge effect to the market and I guess people already know the actions made by Elon Musk itself.

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July 28, 2022, 12:43:17 PM
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My question is what is the relationship linking Tesla corporation and the COVID lockdowns in china?

1. Tesla has a huge factory in Shanghai, China
2. More lockdowns = less revenue from superchargers or car purchases in general
3. Probably risk control due to the non-zero chance of COVID making a comeback in most countries

Exactly. China itself is largest manufacturer of the in built parts, skeletons and chargers or basically anything that's associated with the electronic stuff. I am assuming that what mk4 said is entirely true and that's what businesses do! When the financial management is failing for such big corporation its very obvious that they will do such plan and execution of the funds which can be liquidated in the emergency situation such as this one.

I think its in best interest that they have done it for their share holders. Smiley
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