Would you be interested in promoting Bitcoin projects/services for free?

[NotATether]

I know that some people might consider this off-topic, but look at it from a radically different angle: If you want to advertise stuff for free, why don't you give your inputs on BIPs and upgrades to the Bitcoin Network? You are on a bitcoin forum after all, and it does not cost any money to do that.

You don't even have to be a developer or technically competent to participate in those discussions. The headlines and subjects of most of those initiatives are simple enough for the average user to understand.

I am seeing a major problem that is slowly growing bigger and bigger. It's that most people assume that since they don't understand how something works they think they can't give constructive feedback. This creates a loop, and eventually nobody else is talking about the proposals and they grind to a standstill. And it is not only limited to Bitcoin too, it can be seen in any software engineering space where further development depends solely on the advancements made by individuals around the world.

If you look in the archives of the "Development and Technical Discussion" forum and the bitcoin-dev mailing list, you can see that a lot of ideas have been proposed that have gotten literally no answer, and then the people who have proposed them have disappeared ever since. Simply because there is no dialogue!

The projects you guys are promoting are developed by small bands of people like you and I, and they also depend on feedback to keep going. If you shut off the feedback, one of two outcomes is going to happen: 1) it is going to die out or 2) if it is a more sustainable project it will become hardened by its own ideas to the point where it becomes a rogue project - and this has happened to quite a number of projects: From mixers and wallet software to mining pools [Hi Roger Ver] to even non-crypto projects such as Brave, some boffins wuld also include ElasticSearch (even Facebook and Google started with halos on their heads).

Or for an example that is closer to home, it isn't hard to see now a rift occuring in the network, because institutions and software are clinging on to old standards. Other people try to update these standards to improve the network, and get discouraged when nobody adopts them. Look at how many exchanges are still using Legacy addresses, for example.

This post isn't simply a wild biosphere of theory. I am making efforts right now to support the new address formats inside signed messages. But the problem I have is not a technical one, it's that nobody is giving feedback about anything. So how are people like me supposed to know if anybody agrees with the changes proposed?

So please, while you are busy making posts to meet your signature campaign quota, I urge you all to consider setting aside a few posts for constructive comments on these proposals. Remember, that the prices will only go up on the condition that Bitcoin-related work is further advanced.

Promotion will only be fruitful if corresponding amount of dialogue is made.  

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[Pmalek]

I know that some people might consider this off-topic, but look at it from a radically different angle: If you want to advertise stuff for free, why don't you give your inputs on BIPs and upgrades to the Bitcoin Network? You are on a bitcoin forum after all, and it does not cost any money to do that.

I have seen your proposal a few days ago. Do I think there should be a universal/standardized message verification system for SegWit? Yes. Do I have the technical knowhow to provide feedback, suggest improvements, go through the code, criticize? I am afraid, I don't. Writing something silly in such a serious thread isn't something I want to do. I am sure there are many other people that feel the same way. And there are those who might not want to admit it. All I can do is read through the posts and comment on what I think is wrong or what I don't agree with.   

[Ucy]

I'll be very much willing to do this as long as the projects are actually good. I however wish we can find ways to sustain it by tipping the advertisers once in a while, the project owners can also support with whatever they have when they become profitable, etc.

I just need great things to promote. Betting ads are beginning to look like spam to me as there aren't too many unique & interesting ones thesedays.

[Pmalek]

I'll be very much willing to do this as long as the projects are actually good. I however wish we can find ways to sustain it by tipping the advertisers once in a while, the project owners can also support with whatever they have when they become profitable, etc.

This is free community advertisement and is not supposed to make the organizers or the people involved in the promotions any money. However, if the developers or projects believe the community deserves some rewards, they have the right to think of a way to compensate the people. I previously suggested that it can be done with discounted services or special offers for Bitcointalk members, etc. 

I just need great things to promote. Betting ads are beginning to look like spam to me as there aren't too many unique & interesting ones these days.

Betting platforms and for-profit businesses shouldn't be the scope of these campaigns.

[indah rezqi]

I just need great things to promote. Betting ads are beginning to look like spam to me as there aren't too many unique & interesting ones thesedays.

In principle any ad you promote will not matter if it is legit and not an obvious scam. I see a lot of users who get merit and rank up when they promote gambling campaign, this is proof that there are positive things that can be done while on any campaign especially if they care about the quality of the posts.

Quality posters are needed in any campaign, and I think free advertising needs them too. Spammers probably won't get much space in any campaign except for bounties which only require ad visibility rather than poster quality.

Pmalek, let me consider this free campaign if I have time later. I hope it helps even I'm not a quality poster. 

[Ucy]

I'll be very much willing to do this as long as the projects are actually good. I however wish we can find ways to sustain it by tipping the advertisers once in a while, the project owners can also support with whatever they have when they become profitable, etc.

This is free community advertisement and is not supposed to make the organizers or the people involved in the promotions any money. However, if the developers or projects believe the community deserves some rewards, they have the right to think of a way to compensate the people. I previously suggested that it can be done with discounted services or special offers for Bitcointalk members, etc.  

I just need great things to promote. Betting ads are beginning to look like spam to me as there aren't too many unique & interesting ones these days.

Betting platforms and for-profit businesses shouldn't be the scope of these campaigns.

What sort of project will that be if the people behind it don't make any money? How is it going to be maintained? Via donation or what? If they make money via donation for example that will kind of contradict this:

not supposed to make the organizers or the people involved in the promotions any money.

There should be ways to sustain the project even if they are non-profit.

In regards to betting, I'm just saying that because the forum is filled with betting promotions. I need something different or unique

[Pmalek]

@Rizzrack and @Ucy
Let's stick to the local rule and keep this thread clean from such discussions. I only want this thread to be about those who are and who aren't interested in the possible advertisement services that could be offered. I am going to quote your posts and address your concerns in Forum advertising space for free signature/avatar advertisement.

[Pmalek]

We currently have 9 people who have shown an interest in providing free promotion: Pmalek, Rizzrack, Mbitr, BitcoinGirl.Club, Z-tight, eddie13, Maestro75, ETFbitcoin, and Ucy. Approximately the same number of people are maybes depending mostly on whether or not they are in a signature campaign or not.

Is there anyone else? 

[NeuroticFish]

We currently have 9 people who have shown an interest in providing free promotion: Pmalek, Rizzrack, Mbitr, BitcoinGirl.Club, Z-tight, eddie13, Maestro75, ETFbitcoin, and Ucy. Approximately the same number of people are maybes depending mostly on whether or not they are in a signature campaign or not.

Is there anyone else? 

I could also do this, now and then, for avatar + personal text, but with no strong commitment.

And while I guess that this means pretty much nothing, I guess that many others are in the same situation: if somebody start "managing" such campaigns, some of those having nothing better/more profitable to wear, would also think on this as a valid option, especially if they see reputable/trusted members wearing that.

(And yes, a campaign manager could be a must, as somebody keeping a close eye on how the advertised service is developing, and make sure people don't end up advertising scam).

[Agbe]

First of all before I say yes, let me say, before we wear the signature, avatar and text in any campaign, we must know the kind of service rendering by the company because if we wear a particular signature and avatar and Personal text and in the process or later we discovered that the company has bad reputation. At that stage what will you do?

As for the free campaign train I will join it if I am not on any payment signature campaign, avatar and Personal text. Rendering free service is one my hobbies in the world. And also the campaign must be brought by a reputable user in the forum. I will not join if the person just registered and providing a service for to advertise for him or her. Therefore, let it be that the campaign is managed by a only user (s). Lastly, I am very much ready to promote any campaign that is for the benefit of bitcoin in the world and in Bitcointalk. If the above criteria are meant.

[libert19]

If couldn't find good paying signature campaign, then sure 

[Pmalek]

@NeuroticFish, @Agbe
Like I mentioned a couple of posts above and in the OP, I would appreciate if we don't discuss such things in this thread and do it in Forum advertising space for free signature/avatar advertisement instead. I am going to quote and reply to you guys there.

[Pmalek]

Last call to see if there are any more people who would be interested in promoting good bitcoin-related projects for free?
We have about 10 people right now.

After this, the next step will be to try and find some people who would be willing to share what we do over social media and someone who could create avatars and signatures. 

[eddie13]

I know that some people might consider this off-topic, but look at it from a radically different angle: If you want to advertise stuff for free, why don't you give your inputs on BIPs and upgrades to the Bitcoin Network? You are on a bitcoin forum after all, and it does not cost any money to do that.

You don't even have to be a developer or technically competent to participate in those discussions. The headlines and subjects of most of those initiatives are simple enough for the average user to understand.

I am seeing a major problem that is slowly growing bigger and bigger. It's that most people assume that since they don't understand how something works they think they can't give constructive feedback. This creates a loop, and eventually nobody else is talking about the proposals and they grind to a standstill. And it is not only limited to Bitcoin too, it can be seen in any software engineering space where further development depends solely on the advancements made by individuals around the world.

If you look in the archives of the "Development and Technical Discussion" forum and the bitcoin-dev mailing list, you can see that a lot of ideas have been proposed that have gotten literally no answer, and then the people who have proposed them have disappeared ever since. Simply because there is no dialogue!

The projects you guys are promoting are developed by small bands of people like you and I, and they also depend on feedback to keep going. If you shut off the feedback, one of two outcomes is going to happen: 1) it is going to die out or 2) if it is a more sustainable project it will become hardened by its own ideas to the point where it becomes a rogue project - and this has happened to quite a number of projects: From mixers and wallet software to mining pools [Hi Roger Ver] to even non-crypto projects such as Brave, some boffins wuld also include ElasticSearch (even Facebook and Google started with halos on their heads).

Or for an example that is closer to home, it isn't hard to see now a rift occuring in the network, because institutions and software are clinging on to old standards. Other people try to update these standards to improve the network, and get discouraged when nobody adopts them. Look at how many exchanges are still using Legacy addresses, for example.

This post isn't simply a wild biosphere of theory. I am making efforts right now to support the new address formats inside signed messages. But the problem I have is not a technical one, it's that nobody is giving feedback about anything. So how are people like me supposed to know if anybody agrees with the changes proposed?

So please, while you are busy making posts to meet your signature campaign quota, I urge you all to consider setting aside a few posts for constructive comments on these proposals. Remember, that the prices will only go up on the condition that Bitcoin-related work is further advanced.

Promotion will only be fruitful if corresponding amount of dialogue is made.  

I read dev and tech at times but your right, I don’t comment because most of it is over my head..
Maybe I should even if my comments come from a poor understanding because it will bump threads and probably lead to me learning more from replies to me..


What I would really like to promote is more awareness of what can be done on Bitcoin through counterparty because it is so much fun to use and leads to so much use of Bitcoin..
Things that can be done on Bitcoin through Counterparty also has so much potential to bring market share back to Bitcoin from all of these other shitcoins promising smart contracts and tolkenization..
I want Bitcoin to lead these markets and it not just be thrown away to other shitcoins..

[n0nce]

Interesting topic; entirely missed it until now.
Just wanted to pop by and say that I've been doing it already, but instead of going through a coordinated campaign like what is envisioned here, I just did it on my own. I believe that's what others do, as well.

Right now, I am wearing a profile picture with https://bisq.network/ and https://walletscrutiny.com/ logos.
I try to give https://www.defendingbtc.com/ more exposure through my personal text, as well.

For promoting Bitcointalk threads, I have a 'Other recommended topics (not sponsored)' on my webpage, which can be found on my Bitcointalk profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3373858;

I believe this is the easiest way to do it; no coordination required and everyone can promote whatever they deem important and underrepresented.

[Pmalek]

Just wanted to pop by and say that I've been doing it already, but instead of going through a coordinated campaign like what is envisioned here, I just did it on my own. I believe that's what others do, as well.

Some people are wearing unofficial avatars, signatures, and even mentions of websites in their personal text space. But it's rare to come across it because the majority of users are part of paid campaigns and can't do it.

I just bumped the other topic closely related to this subject. I invite everyone to check it out if they want to help > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5406746.msg61016869#msg61016869.

[klien_br]

Not sure if negative trust accounts are allowed but still I would be more than willing to promote projects/services I know or use. I would also try some exciting new projects but it depends on the credibility of the project.

Secondly, promoting for free would be our part but are these projects asking you for free promotions? Considering their status, I don't think they might be looking for free promotions. So a very important questions arriving here is "are those projects paying you?" "If yes, are you donating the amounts to some charity?" "If no, than what would be the usecase of those funds?"

[Pmalek]

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As I mentioned in the OP, I would appreciate if we don't discuss projects, motivations, what to promote, and what not to in this thread. This discussion was created to get feedback from the community and see whether or not they are interested in promoting something for free. That's all. I will quote your post and answer it in Forum advertising space for free signature/avatar advertisement.

[NotATether]

Not sure if negative trust accounts are allowed but still I would be more than willing to promote projects/services I know or use. I would also try some exciting new projects but it depends on the credibility of the project.

There are some users with red trust promoting Bitcoin Cleanup so that's not a problem for me (just as long as you are not a BSV shill since they have a tendency to change BTC to BSV    )

Secondly, promoting for free would be our part but are these projects asking you for free promotions? Considering their status, I don't think they might be looking for free promotions. So a very important questions arriving here is "are those projects paying you?" "If yes, are you donating the amounts to some charity?" "If no, than what would be the usecase of those funds?"

BitcoinCleanup is the nonprofit; I don't really consider it a "charity" since I don't depend on user funds for operation - the only reason I wrote that in the sig campaign title because I saw another sig campaign do that several months ago.

As explained on the site, user funds are only used to pay for advertising expenses (and also hosting, though I mostly have that under control right now).

[OgNasty]

In the event that people wanted a signature to wear for free of a long running, trustworthy, and awesome community organization, such a thing has existed a long time (although could probably use an update). I present to you the NastyFans No-Pay Signature Campaign: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=767863.0

Feel free to use the signature, rip off the code for your own signature campaign, or use it in any other way that makes you happy.