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August 18, 2022, 08:27:31 PM
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Probably the streamer is sponsored so he really won't review the casino since he will not lose anything.  All he needs is to stream get winning and withdraw his commission.  There are lots of streamers that doesn't mind if the casino has a valid accusation, all they care about is the money that they can get on streaming and the percentage of the amount wins.
If the streamer is able to withdraw the fund, of course, he will say that he gets the money through successful withdrawal. 

Now (however, as before) you can not trust anyone. The essence of the work of streamers is that they are purchasable, (I'm talking about the most popular ones) - if someone offers them a contract under which they will receive x10 compared to the income that the audience itself gives them (donations, subscriptions, etc.), then 99 out of 100 will agree without hesitation.
But we should not forget about the naivety of people - if they see how every evening a streamer loses 5-10 thousand dollars in a casino, then it is worth considering whether this is real money  Grin

I agree streamers are being sponsored, so basically they will promote the one sponsoring them since they are getting paid.  I bet many of us know that.  We just watch for entertainment or how their featured game works.

Some streamer admits that they are playing with sponsored money while others tend to hide it. The money involved is real, but often than not, they are not owned by the streamer.
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August 18, 2022, 08:49:28 PM
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Probably the streamer is sponsored so he really won't review the casino since he will not lose anything.  All he needs is to stream get winning and withdraw his commission.  There are lots of streamers that doesn't mind if the casino has a valid accusation, all they care about is the money that they can get on streaming and the percentage of the amount wins.
If the streamer is able to withdraw the fund, of course, he will say that he gets the money through successful withdrawal. 

Now (however, as before) you can not trust anyone. The essence of the work of streamers is that they are purchasable, (I'm talking about the most popular ones) - if someone offers them a contract under which they will receive x10 compared to the income that the audience itself gives them (donations, subscriptions, etc.), then 99 out of 100 will agree without hesitation.
But we should not forget about the naivety of people - if they see how every evening a streamer loses 5-10 thousand dollars in a casino, then it is worth considering whether this is real money  Grin

I agree streamers are being sponsored, so basically they will promote the one sponsoring them since they are getting paid.  I bet many of us know that.  We just watch for entertainment or how their featured game works.

Some streamer admits that they are playing with sponsored money while others tend to hide it. The money involved is real, but often than not, they are not owned by the streamer.
You could eventually able to find out with just having that simple observation and if a streamer isnt really that known yet then it would be impossible that it would be spending thousands of dollars on gambling and showing
into a stream where it would really be understandable or easy to understand on how it do works and how it could really affect your actions basing up on what you are seeing.It would be just normal that they would really be advertising on whats been asked or been told them to do so and since they are just workers and earning up money then they would be definitely be agreeing on that and whether they do say about sponsored
or personal money then it would really be not much of an issue.We do want here is about transparency and being fair on the first place.

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August 19, 2022, 01:23:42 AM
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I agree streamers are being sponsored, so basically they will promote the one sponsoring them since they are getting paid.  I bet many of us know that.  We just watch for entertainment or how their featured game works.

Some streamer admits that they are playing with sponsored money while others tend to hide it. The money involved is real, but often than not, they are not owned by the streamer.
I think it is legitimate that they receive sponsor money to promote the casino in question, however if that is the case then they need to reveal that information, if they do not do so and then they win any amount of money this will give the false impression that anyone can do what they can do when this is not true, since they do not feel in the same way than those which are using their money and which can get very emotional after a big win or loss.
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August 19, 2022, 01:33:04 AM
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Probably the streamer is sponsored so he really won't review the casino since he will not lose anything.  All he needs is to stream get winning and withdraw his commission.  There are lots of streamers that doesn't mind if the casino has a valid accusation, all they care about is the money that they can get on streaming and the percentage of the amount wins.
If the streamer is able to withdraw the fund, of course, he will say that he gets the money through successful withdrawal. 

Now (however, as before) you can not trust anyone. The essence of the work of streamers is that they are purchasable, (I'm talking about the most popular ones) - if someone offers them a contract under which they will receive x10 compared to the income that the audience itself gives them (donations, subscriptions, etc.), then 99 out of 100 will agree without hesitation.
But we should not forget about the naivety of people - if they see how every evening a streamer loses 5-10 thousand dollars in a casino, then it is worth considering whether this is real money  Grin

I agree streamers are being sponsored, so basically they will promote the one sponsoring them since they are getting paid.  I bet many of us know that.  We just watch for entertainment or how their featured game works.

Some streamer admits that they are playing with sponsored money while others tend to hide it. The money involved is real, but often than not, they are not owned by the streamer.
Without sponsor and how is it possible for streamer wasting millions or even hundreds of milliions to bet. i didn't even think if they can do that without getting funded by the site owner directly and yeah they play without any money but as a sponsorship for the platform itself. The site can easily credit your account with as much as possible.

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August 19, 2022, 02:07:37 AM
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I agree streamers are being sponsored, so basically they will promote the one sponsoring them since they are getting paid.  I bet many of us know that.  We just watch for entertainment or how their featured game works.

Some streamer admits that they are playing with sponsored money while others tend to hide it. The money involved is real, but often than not, they are not owned by the streamer.
I think it is legitimate that they receive sponsor money to promote the casino in question, however if that is the case then they need to reveal that information, if they do not do so and then they win any amount of money this will give the false impression that anyone can do what they can do when this is not true, since they do not feel in the same way than those which are using their money and which can get very emotional after a big win or loss.
Sponsorship money to provide support to promoters or influencers to keep doing what they are doing to increase users from the gambling place because nowadays there are many who are like that, sometimes there are influencers who say to the public that they are paid to do that or sometimes they are prefer to be silent and enjoy the results, it could also be when gambling they use fake money that has been set by the gambling place so they can have a lot of money and play a lot of games. so the main point as a gambling audience is better to stay careful when streaming gambling and don't get influenced.

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August 19, 2022, 02:42:44 AM
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I agree streamers are being sponsored, so basically they will promote the one sponsoring them since they are getting paid.  I bet many of us know that.  We just watch for entertainment or how their featured game works.

Some streamer admits that they are playing with sponsored money while others tend to hide it. The money involved is real, but often than not, they are not owned by the streamer.
I think it is legitimate that they receive sponsor money to promote the casino in question, however if that is the case then they need to reveal that information, if they do not do so and then they win any amount of money this will give the false impression that anyone can do what they can do when this is not true, since they do not feel in the same way than those which are using their money and which can get very emotional after a big win or loss.

The only difference between the streamers and ordinary gamblers are that they do not own the money they are betting. They actually can also lose. But, they can bet or make it roll until they hit a jackpot or until they at least hit a profit. This create an illusion that if you continue to bet, you will eventually win and make profit. But we all know that it is a gamblers fallacy. But to regular guys, it looks so fantastic.

Most of us just watch for entertainment or sometimes research, specifically, on mechanics of the game. That is why watching them chase profit can also be educational to us gamblers.

So whether it is sponsored or not, whether they declare or not, it is the same to me. As long as i am entertained watching them or i have learned something, it is fine.
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August 19, 2022, 03:09:49 AM
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The only difference between the streamers and ordinary gamblers are that they do not own the money they are betting. They actually can also lose. But, they can bet or make it roll until they hit a jackpot or until they at least hit a profit. This create an illusion that if you continue to bet, you will eventually win and make profit. But we all know that it is a gamblers fallacy. But to regular guys, it looks so fantastic.

Most of us just watch for entertainment or sometimes research, specifically, on mechanics of the game. That is why watching them chase profit can also be educational to us gamblers.

So whether it is sponsored or not, whether they declare or not, it is the same to me. As long as i am entertained watching them or i have learned something, it is fine.
I love watching these gambling streamers but I never once thought about mimicking their acts like chasing all the losses to the extent that a normal gambler cannot do anymore.
But the reactions they make when they hit the jackpot are hilarious. I think that is where the entertainment part comes in.
Viewers want to see them win it back and witness what face they will make if ever they hit it.
No gambler should try to copy what they are doing, it's money wasted which are fed to them to show possible outcomes only or to prove that hitting the jackpot is achievable.

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August 19, 2022, 03:12:06 AM
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I agree streamers are being sponsored, so basically they will promote the one sponsoring them since they are getting paid.  I bet many of us know that.  We just watch for entertainment or how their featured game works.

Some streamer admits that they are playing with sponsored money while others tend to hide it. The money involved is real, but often than not, they are not owned by the streamer.
I think it is legitimate that they receive sponsor money to promote the casino in question, however if that is the case then they need to reveal that information, if they do not do so and then they win any amount of money this will give the false impression that anyone can do what they can do when this is not true, since they do not feel in the same way than those which are using their money and which can get very emotional after a big win or loss.

Yes and that's why we have seen tremendous rise of streamers and online casinos as well. It's because of the mutual benefit from each others, streamers are being paid to sponsor the casino and casino making a good revenue.

False information or not, it is business strategy. And so we gamblers should now that and up to us whether we fall for this trick or just play on gambling platform that we like without betting big such as this streamers.

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August 19, 2022, 03:43:33 AM
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False information or not, it is business strategy. And so we gamblers should now that and up to us whether we fall for this trick or just play on gambling platform that we like without betting big such as this streamers.
When a streamer uses sponsored money, I don't think it's false information because the streamer still uses real money, it's just that it's not his personal money, and if many people are tempted to play because they see broadcasts from the streamer but don't get the same results as the streamer then that's just different luck.

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August 19, 2022, 03:51:10 AM
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I will add one more question that is he do these bet on only one sites ? If that's the case then I think it's really disrespectful to the viewers. And it is true that this is nothing new now that many YouTubers many gambling review sites are doing fake promotion in exchange of money. And I think something like that happened here .Because it is truly incredible that this amount has been gambled away

Can you explain more how it becomes disrespectful?

What's wrong with that streamer if he bet only on a single site?

It might be that:

- the streamer is affiliated with the site
- the streamer is a big fan on that site
- the streamer wants to target being affiliated with the site

Nothing technical there.
The problem is not technical but primarily moral. And here I mean the streamers who promote sites that they are not sure of their credibility and have not tried them enough, or at least check the available reviews about them.
Lately I have been following the case of Bitlucy, a scammer casino that mainly relied for its propaganda on these streamers who only care about who pays them the most. One of them was said that he had won thousands of dollars and was able to withdraw them to his wallet, while the platform at the time did not have a payment system working at all. This led to great losses for users, especially since the promotion was for the bonuses that the user would get for the first deposit.
I personally do not trust them and do not advise the rest to follow their advice even if they know them personally.
You mentioned a case in particular of a streamer promoting a scam casino. It's indeed a moral issue, but not every streamers who decide to promote a single platform exclusively should be labeled like this, since they promote legit casinos and don't deceive the audience by having advantages not disponible for common players.

I usually follow videos and series from small gamblers, because these are the most realistic and honest ones. When they cast a series (bankroll management/growment), every videos are done in one site exclusively and it is actually good to see their progression inside the platform. However, I must highlight I only watch these videos for entertainment purposes, as we shouldn't follow streamers' steps for real. People sometimes misunderstand this fact and think they will reproduce the same results when exactly repeating what streamers do.

There are streamers who do things like this as reviews some might not really affiliate to the site itself

most of those small time gamblers who stream their games are just simply enjoying sharing how they play the game, if those
streamers reach enough viewers that will be the time that the website / casino owners will contact them.

Not all the time, it's already an established advertisement for the casino. There are still streamers who are trying to engage
for a good compensation.
Yes , there are some but most of streamers now are just a paid account from those gambling site to promote their casino  intentionally .
but us our main concern here? it is the  gambling site and the gambling itself how winnable and how trust worthy.
everything is about Money matter , so lets admit the fact that they are promoting because of money..


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You could eventually able to find out with just having that simple observation and if a streamer isnt really that known yet then it would be impossible that it would be spending thousands of dollars on gambling and showing into a stream where it would really be understandable or easy to understand on how it do works and how it could really affect your actions basing up on what you are seeing.It would be just normal that they would really be advertising on whats been asked or been told them to do so and since they are just workers and earning up money then they would be definitely be agreeing on that and whether they do say about sponsored or personal money then it would really be not much of an issue.We do want here is about transparency and being fair on the first place.
The streamer wouldn't say they worked for the casino making the video because it's their secret and unfortunately, a lot of the viewers don't know that either other than just following what the streamers are doing. The audience finally visits the casino site on the video streamer and tries to play gambling there and when they find that the casino site is what they want, the audience starts depositing some money. That means streamers successfully influence viewers to visit the casino site; in this case, those streamers can get extra money from viewers because they register via the link in the video description.

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August 19, 2022, 10:25:45 AM
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I find there video streaming very encouraging most of the time because I feel like I can win too everytime they are winning.

You don't have to be discouraged while losing, have you ever reason how much they lost while playing?
Winning is not constant while winning is not constant any time you make your prediction correctly then you stand the chances of winning or more impacts. Increasing your wager might not be the right option for you coupled with you keeping an eyes on them for about 1 year plus. I think is more self development. Have you asked yourself a simple question on how they are playing it?
Some might play for fun and while other might play just because they might be lucky to hit while some plays to increase their income.

Don't you also think it might be a paid streamer or something similar?



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When a streamer uses sponsored money, I don't think it's false information because the streamer still uses real money, it's just that it's not his personal money, and if many people are tempted to play because they see broadcasts from the streamer but don't get the same results as the streamer then that's just different luck.

Lately, I've been watching different broadcasts of slot games a little bit, and firstly, I can say that it looks like a niche for losers: one streamer is a former professional Navi player (either DotA or CS), another streamer is a former porn star, etc. Secondly, I have never seen them win anything. Sometimes they win x20 or even x50, but in general the deposit always decreases. Can such content attract new players to the casino?

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August 19, 2022, 03:04:15 PM
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When a streamer uses sponsored money, I don't think it's false information because the streamer still uses real money, it's just that it's not his personal money, and if many people are tempted to play because they see broadcasts from the streamer but don't get the same results as the streamer then that's just different luck.

Lately, I've been watching different broadcasts of slot games a little bit, and firstly, I can say that it looks like a niche for losers: one streamer is a former professional Navi player (either DotA or CS), another streamer is a former porn star, etc. Secondly, I have never seen them win anything. Sometimes they win x20 or even x50, but in general the deposit always decreases. Can such content attract new players to the casino?

Maybe there influence in there past career can attract new player because for sure their followers before may try or test on what they are currently doing, but for sure that's for short term only because for seeing that there bankroll decrease from time to time for sure there followers will find it irrelevant and leave because for sure they see those happenings as crazy things for them to continue believing them.

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When a streamer uses sponsored money, I don't think it's false information because the streamer still uses real money, it's just that it's not his personal money, and if many people are tempted to play because they see broadcasts from the streamer but don't get the same results as the streamer then that's just different luck.

Lately, I've been watching different broadcasts of slot games a little bit, and firstly, I can say that it looks like a niche for losers: one streamer is a former professional Navi player (either DotA or CS), another streamer is a former porn star, etc. Secondly, I have never seen them win anything. Sometimes they win x20 or even x50, but in general the deposit always decreases. Can such content attract new players to the casino?

Haha, Watching Drake is much worse than that, He is losing million dollar in his balance like he is betting just penny and he do it while sipping his mojito and vaping. I think the entertainment and thrill is what makes the viewers attracted on gambling by watching this streamers rather than seeing them actually win on one of there session. Of course seeing them win huge amount is one of the interesting part of stream which viewers becomes happy but watching them play for who we are is what really make us stay to watch them. Because if an unknown guy is streaming, I’m sure he will not get any viewer stay watching to him.

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Streamers are not only making themselves money but this is another way of promoting gambling. underage people or kids can easily be influenced by these streamers. Seeing them making easy money, kids can develop an interest in gambling which may lead to financial loss as gambling is not a money making game. No streamer will tell you that gambling is a risky business, rather they will just force everyone to play gamble at a certain site as this is their job/mission.

Not a hard to take, having a young mind makes them thinks that the process can be done on their end, it's the dangerous thing if you are a parent not knowing what your kids are doing online, streamers can easily pollute them up by showing how easy to win using the platform that they are promoting and adding to that, those promotions and perks that also attracts people to engage and visit the site,

Streamers influenced is well being used by the casino owners to bring more gamblers to their site, the very reason why they are willing to pay a decent amount just to have a good streamer to stream the game and the site itself.
I think the same, if a young person, or a child who is not old enough for games of chance sees them, it is remarkably the fault of their parents, for not monitoring or supervising what their children do, that is why when a minor commits an act of vandalism, sometimes they are not imprisoned but the parents, because they are the responsibility that they must bear, and not let them do everything adrift, no matter how good our children are, they need supervision and of all the attention they pay online, in fact, entering a casino is as harmless as possible, something they should be afraid of is rapists, pedophiles that unfortunately exist.

When a streamer uses sponsored money, I don't think it's false information because the streamer still uses real money, it's just that it's not his personal money, and if many people are tempted to play because they see broadcasts from the streamer but don't get the same results as the streamer then that's just different luck.

Lately, I've been watching different broadcasts of slot games a little bit, and firstly, I can say that it looks like a niche for losers: one streamer is a former professional Navi player (either DotA or CS), another streamer is a former porn star, etc. Secondly, I have never seen them win anything. Sometimes they win x20 or even x50, but in general the deposit always decreases. Can such content attract new players to the casino?

Maybe there influence in there past career can attract new player because for sure their followers before may try or test on what they are currently doing, but for sure that's for short term only because for seeing that there bankroll decrease from time to time for sure there followers will find it irrelevant and leave because for sure they see those happenings as crazy things for them to continue believing them.

Well, whenever live presentations are made, I particularly like how they play, every time I've seen the live broadcasts regarding stake, at least with Eddie it's something else, when he plays anything sometimes he doesn't have good streak and that it is seen that it is not with stake funds but from Eddie, of course what apsa is that Eddie makes it very exciting, at least with Drake he is a person who causes a lot of fame and some just want to see Drake, not so much for the casino but to see it and read the things that are written to it, of course this is something that is possible in stake, many platforms want to match stake.com in this regard, but everyone wants to have someone like Drake in their casinos.

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August 19, 2022, 04:28:09 PM
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When a streamer uses sponsored money, I don't think it's false information because the streamer still uses real money, it's just that it's not his personal money, and if many people are tempted to play because they see broadcasts from the streamer but don't get the same results as the streamer then that's just different luck.

Lately, I've been watching different broadcasts of slot games a little bit, and firstly, I can say that it looks like a niche for losers: one streamer is a former professional Navi player (either DotA or CS), another streamer is a former porn star, etc. Secondly, I have never seen them win anything. Sometimes they win x20 or even x50, but in general the deposit always decreases. Can such content attract new players to the casino?

Maybe it depends if they are lively and entertaining when they are casting their streams. It is all about the appeal of the streamers. If they can get the curiosity of their viewers then they can attract new players. But based on your reaction, it seems that they are not entertaining enough hence you question their ability to attract new casino players.

But then again, they are ex-professional gamers and porn stars, I am sure they have avid fans and followers they can entice to play. Who knows, different people have different tastes in things. Maybe to us, it is not entertaining and convincing enough but to others, it could be different.
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I agree streamers are being sponsored, so basically they will promote the one sponsoring them since they are getting paid.  I bet many of us know that.  We just watch for entertainment or how their featured game works.

correct! it's to hard to believe that they are worth it to follow because of a reason that they are promoting a platform, indeed at the first place it didn't make sense because everyone now is doing the same things especially the popular ones.  And obviously as well that even they play and even they lose money from it while streaming, surely afterwards they can earn more than what they risk, Probably 10x.? they really make as dumb tbh. Lol
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False information or not, it is business strategy. And so we gamblers should now that and up to us whether we fall for this trick or just play on gambling platform that we like without betting big such as this streamers.
When a streamer uses sponsored money, I don't think it's false information because the streamer still uses real money, it's just that it's not his personal money, and if many people are tempted to play because they see broadcasts from the streamer but don't get the same results as the streamer then that's just different luck.
No, it wasn't the streamer's money. His demonstration of gambling activity with that money doesn't carry the same sentiment compared to the average user. They're typical high rollers on the house with no stress involved. Just makes their gambling action and experience seem hollow for viewers and doesn't reflect on the case. Viewers found enjoyment from that is beyond me.
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False information or not, it is business strategy. And so we gamblers should now that and up to us whether we fall for this trick or just play on gambling platform that we like without betting big such as this streamers.
When a streamer uses sponsored money, I don't think it's false information because the streamer still uses real money, it's just that it's not his personal money, and if many people are tempted to play because they see broadcasts from the streamer but don't get the same results as the streamer then that's just different luck.

I see Streamers the test guys, for example if a person has no experience in gambling, create an account and then that person sees many games in the casino and has no idea what game to play, how to play and what strategy to use , what advantage and disadvantage will this person have, what possible profit vs loss will this person have? so this person starting to watch the Streamers playing can be a great advantage for them, because with that this person will be able to have an answer to all questions, but of course this does not guarantee profit because the person should not do 100% copy/paste that what Streamers is doing, that would be a big absurdity, the person will only have the basis of how to do things. That's why I think Streamers are test guys

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