NFT subforum?

[bbc.reporter]

Tiffany & Co. was founded on 1837 and has become one of the oldest companies in America. These necklaces based on Cryptopunks NFT they have created appears to be confirming the suggestion that the concept of NFTs will never die, very much similar to the concept of cryptocurrencies. NFT has, also similar to cryptocurrencies, become a part of our culture.

Using that as an argument, bitcointalk.org has welcomed altcoins and created subforums for them for everyone to discuss, speculate and for people to help each other. Can the forum also welcome NFTs and also create subforums for NFT discussion, speculation and information sharing?



The company is selling 250 customized, diamond-encrusted pendant necklaces for 30 ETH (around $50,000) a pop to holders of the famed collection. Each necklace will include a combination of 30 diamonds and gemstones, according to Tiffany’s website.
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The necklaces will go on sale Aug. 5 and are only available for CryptoPunk holders to purchase in the form of NFTs redeemable for the physical necklaces. Tiffany’s will net over $12 million from the sale’s sellout, standing to make even more profit from resale royalties.

Read in full https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/08/01/jewelry-brand-tiffany-and-co-unveils-50k-cryptopunk-necklaces/

[Little Mouse]

It was discussed earlier- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5223103.0
It’s not the only one. There were many more discussion for this but I have never seen a reply from theymos, I can't remember. I think he isn't interested.
Also, if you are going to get sub board for nft, I think sub board for Lightning Network is also necessary and must be first priority which still isn't added in the forum.

[Charles-Tim]

NFT has, also similar to cryptocurrencies, become a part of our culture.

NFTs are non fungible tokens, they are also cryptocurrencies.

Using that as an argument, bitcointalk.org has welcomed altcoins and created subforums for them for everyone to discuss, speculate and for people to help each other. Can the forum also welcome NFTs and also create subforums for NFT discussion, speculation and information sharing?

NFTs are altcoins, you can post anything related to NFTs on altcoin boards.

But if you see NFT discussion more (like 30% or more of NFT topics on the first page of an altcoin board) on altcoin board, you can create a topic about it to request for NFT board.

[nutildah]

NFTs are non fungible tokens, they are also cryptocurrencies.

Its more accurate to say they live on top of cryptocurrencies. Some tokens are currencies, but all tokens reside on pre-existing blockchains.

NFTs are altcoins, you can post anything related to NFTs on altcoin boards.

For the most part they use altcoins but there is also a thriving world of Bitcoin-based NFTs.

I should open up a Rare Pepe thread in Project Development and see if it gets moved.  

I agree with the prior comment that Lightning should get a Child Board first, but having one for NFTs somewhere might also be a good idea.

They give not just Bitcoin but several other coins a definitive use case, makes everything more exciting.

NFTs are probably responsible for drawing a bigger crowd into crypto than any other single factor (aside from pure speculation, I assume).

[mk4]

Demand(and demand that's currently on a downtrend) probably isn't that big to have it's on subforum.

I'm definitely not against it though — the altcoin subforums are already messy to start with; and an NFT subforum might help tidy that section a bit. It's not like Bitcointalk has anything to lose by adding a subforum.

[examplens]

I agree with the prior comment that Lightning should get a Child Board first, but having one for NFTs somewhere might also be a good idea.

They give not just Bitcoin but several other coins a definitive use case, makes everything more exciting.

NFTs are probably responsible for drawing a bigger crowd into crypto than any other single factor (aside from pure speculation, I assume).

the hysteria surrounding NFT is slowly (but surely) passing. if this trend continues, in six+ months NFT will experience a level like all other hypes ICOs, MN etc...
now that (ICO) subforum only serves to keep worthless spam and keep the rest of the forum as clean as possible.

[mindrust]

NFT’s may never die but may never live neither. Take a look at ICO’s. You can’t say they are dead but do they live? You call that living? NFT’s didn’t even have the impact of the ICO’s and now they are even in a worse shale than them.

Nope. NFT’s don’t need their own sub forum. Nobody will visit there anyway. The idea of NFT’s was dumb to begin with and now proven worthless .

[icopress]

I honestly don't care about the NFT, but owning or speculating forum usernames would be cool. I definitely would like to see such names as LoyceV, Lauda in my collection. I could also accept the username GazetaBitcoin into my collection (if his owner pays me extra).

[nutildah]

NFT’s may never die but may never live neither. Take a look at ICO’s. You can’t say they are dead but do they live? You call that living? NFT’s didn’t even have the impact of the ICO’s and now they are even in a worse shale than them.

Nope. NFT’s don’t need their own sub forum. Nobody will visit there anyway. The idea of NFT’s was dumb to begin with and now proven worthless .

I actually could care less about most new NFTs. 99.99% of everything on Ethereum for example. Old NFTs won't die. They are collectors items. You understand that old sports cards have value, right? Same deal with old NFTs. They are scarce, non-fungible, and made when nobody really cared.

To call NFTs "proven worthless" just reflects utter disregard for reality. All you need to do is visit OpenSea to be proven wrong. If people pay money for them, they are not worthless, independent of your personal opinion.

[Rikafip]

NFTs are probably responsible for drawing a bigger crowd into crypto than any other single factor (aside from pure speculation, I assume).

I think that this forum would benefit from sorting out the altcoin section instead just leaving it in a mess that currently is. Whether we like it or not, new crypto users mainly invest in altcoins (NFT included) before they start looking at bitcoin (usually after getting rekt) and by getting them here there is a good chance that instead of wasting their time and money on shitcoins, they start using bitcoin instead.

The idea of NFT’s was dumb to begin with and now proven worthless .

Just because NFT market is currently dominated by overpriced JPEGs doesn't mean that they are worthless or useless as they can be so much more.

[KingsDen]

I stand to be corrected by anyone if I am wrong, maybe with evidence. I strongly believe and say that theymos is not ready/interested or willing to effect any more changes in this forum, pending the arrival of the new forum software if it's coming.
I have read people suggesting features to be added, requesting local boards and others requesting to be merit sources. So, of recent has theymos granted any of such kinds of requests or applications. If yes, please comment and provide me links.

[bbc.reporter]

Demand(and demand that's currently on a downtrend) probably isn't that big to have it's on subforum.

I'm definitely not against it though — the altcoin subforums are already messy to start with; and an NFT subforum might help tidy that section a bit. It's not like Bitcointalk has anything to lose by adding a subforum.

Agreed and it might also bring more people in the forum. New people will certainly also bring new ideas, new knowledge and new opporunities. If it helps for the growth of our community in bitcointalk.org, we should try it. It also appears that much of us might be underestimating NFTs for the adoption of the cryptospace, however, in 4 years the rate of growth for NFTs might be faster than bitcoin's rate of growth. NFT trading might become the no.1 form of introduction to the cryptospace for new users.

[avp2306]

Is it really needed? as @Charles-Tim said it is also a crypto so this belong on altcoin section. And Its not ideal to add sub section because its famous right now since for sure the same on other category which became famous NFT fame will fade out, then the section will be dead if no people will talk about NFT anymore so its useless section to be added.

[Rikafip]

I have read people suggesting features to be added, requesting local boards and others requesting to be merit sources. So, of recent has theymos granted any of such kinds of requests or applications. If yes, please comment and provide me links.

Year and a half ago we (Croatian local board) got a new child board after creating request topic here in meta so its not like nothing can be done or that people shouldn't ask for features or new local boards. And same thing regarding the merit sources, as theymos introduced new ones year ago and there will certainly be new merit sources in the future as merit system is constantly adjusted.

[mk4]

Is it really needed? as @Charles-Tim said it is also a crypto so this belong on altcoin section. And Its not ideal to add sub section because its famous right now since for sure the same on other category which became famous NFT fame will fade out, then the section will be dead if no people will talk about NFT anymore so its useless section to be added.

Let's be honest here — that might definitely be the case, but let's not describe it as if merely adding a subforum will take like a hundred development hours to do. Assuming Theymos doesn't literally manually code everything, adding(and removing) a subforum will literally only take less than 5 minutes to do.

[UserU]

NFT’s may never die but may never live neither. Take a look at ICO’s. You can’t say they are dead but do they live? You call that living? NFT’s didn’t even have the impact of the ICO’s and now they are even in a worse shale than them.

Nope. NFT’s don’t need their own sub forum. Nobody will visit there anyway. The idea of NFT’s was dumb to begin with and now proven worthless .

I actually could care less about most new NFTs. 99.99% of everything on Ethereum for example. Old NFTs won't die. They are collectors items. You understand that old sports cards have value, right? Same deal with old NFTs. They are scarce, non-fungible, and made when nobody really cared.

To call NFTs "proven worthless" just reflects utter disregard for reality. All you need to do is visit OpenSea to be proven wrong. If people pay money for them, they are not worthless, independent of your personal opinion.

I think many had the wrong idea that anything could be screenshot and claimed and probably resold on the blockchain, rendering the original art useless. It definitely takes some reading to know they work totally differently.

Btw welcome back. It's been a while

[Charles-Tim]

I stand to be corrected by anyone if I am wrong, maybe with evidence. I strongly believe and say that theymos is not ready/interested or willing to effect any more changes in this forum, pending the arrival of the new forum software if it's coming.

I have read people suggesting features to be added, requesting local boards and others requesting to be merit sources. So, of recent has theymos granted any of such kinds of requests or applications. If yes, please comment and provide me links.

Not like creating an NFT board, mprep has given the requirement needed before it can be created, if altcoin board is not much more of NFTs, a board will not be considered for it.

About local board, if requirement needed are met, it would be created.

About merit source, maybe theymos still see merit distribution to be sufficient enough and see no need for new merit sources, but some of those that applied and some other people that can do the work would be made merit sources if the merit distribution is declining and as more people are registering on this forum if they are good posters.

[KingsDen]

I have read people suggesting features to be added, requesting local boards and others requesting to be merit sources. So, of recent has theymos granted any of such kinds of requests or applications. If yes, please comment and provide me links.

Year and a half ago we (Croatian local board) got a new child board after creating request topic here in meta so its not like nothing can be done or that people shouldn't ask for features or new local boards. And same thing regarding the merit sources, as theymos introduced new ones year ago and there will certainly be new merit sources in the future as merit system is constantly adjusted.

Ok. I said so because since I joined this forum(about 1yr and 2 months) and has been seeing suggestions and requests, I haven't seen anyone granted. That made me feel that theymos doesn't want to  bother this present software much anymore because a new one might be on the way.

While we wait and make suggestions, I am of the opinion that some of these suggestions should be channelled to the board for the new forum software. By doing so, the board would be busy, and each time a suggestion is made there, it would be a reminder to theymos that we are waiting for it.

[dkbit98]

Using that as an argument, bitcointalk.org has welcomed altcoins and created subforums for them for everyone to discuss, speculate and for people to help each other. Can the forum also welcome NFTs and also create subforums for NFT discussion, speculation and information sharing?

No.
We are not going to create new subforums each time when some new ICO-like thing comes up, now it's NFT and tomorrow it's going to be something else.
One more thing I never liked NFT is because they are built on top of other shitcoins, so that makes them even worse and almost unusable with high fees.
I wonder whats next thing going to be in crypto, trip to Mars or ticket to virtual meta prison, etc...

Year and a half ago we (Croatian local board) got a new child board after creating request topic here in meta so its not like nothing can be done or that people shouldn't ask for features or new local boards.

Yeah but our intention was to clear to make some order in our local forum, making it better and cleaner.
With NFT board I would expect mostly spammers posting their new ''art'' projects.

[OgNasty]

Is it really needed? as @Charles-Tim said it is also a crypto so this belong on altcoin section. And Its not ideal to add sub section because its famous right now since for sure the same on other category which became famous NFT fame will fade out, then the section will be dead if no people will talk about NFT anymore so its useless section to be added.

Let's be honest here — that might definitely be the case, but let's not describe it as if merely adding a subforum will take like a hundred development hours to do. Assuming Theymos doesn't literally manually code everything, adding(and removing) a subforum will literally only take less than 5 minutes to do.

Yes, anyone who's ever worked with an SMF forum can tell you that it literally takes 2 minutes to add a subforum.  That's if you've never done it before and read through all the information while you're doing it.

Every time someone posts this thread (which is a lot) it always boils down to 2 things.  1) Bitcoin is for hodling and things like NFTs offend Bitcoin only users because it shows that people actually want to use crypto, and that offends maximalists.  2) We already have a subform for altcoin tokens, which is literally what NFTs are.  Don't think we don't have an NFT section just because it's called the Tokens (Altcoins) subforum.  What you're really asking is for theymos to rename this section to Non-Fungible Tokens (Altcoins), which is unnecessary given that we don't need a specific section for fungible tokens.

TL;DR - We already have an NFT section.

Tokens (Altcoins)