Is a user able to Trust/Distrust even when they are banned?

[logfiles]

According to BPIP records, this user seems to have been or is still banned

However, what surprised me is that they are still able to trust and distrust in the recent weeks after the ban.

Is it possible the user can still modify his trust list even when banned, or was he unbanned?

[Don Pedro Dinero]

According to BPIP records, this user seems to have been or is still banned

However, what surprised me is that they are still able to trust and distrust in the recent weeks after the ban.

Is it possible the user can still modify his trust list even when banned, or was he unbanned?

Yes:

I confirm, that I can modify my trust list which I confirmed to LoyceV via Email a few weeks ago. I cannot leave any new feedback but I can delete old feedback that I left.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5399515.msg60622112#msg60622112

But I don't think his trusts and distrust will matter much.

[Pmalek]

I am not sure if that is an oversight by theymos and the admin team or if it was intentionally done that way. Maybe they can comment here and tell us what is the benefit of banned users have the ability to make such changes. I was always under the impression that getting banned puts your account in a read-only mode where you can browse the forum, read your old PMs, and it stops there. Not sure why trust changes are possible.

[LoyceV]

I am not sure if that is an oversight by theymos and the admin team or if it was intentionally done that way. Maybe they can comment here and tell us what is the benefit of banned users have the ability to make such changes. I was always under the impression that getting banned puts your account in a read-only mode where you can browse the forum, read your old PMs, and it stops there. Not sure why trust changes are possible.

Changing your Trust list changes how you view the forum. It makes sense that banned users can still edit their Trust list based on who's judgement they value, so I don't think this is something that should be changed.

[logfiles]

But I don't think his trusts and distrust will matter much.

It could if someone had so many high ranking accounts that were banned. They could just want to mess up the trust system out of malice.

I was always under the impression that getting banned puts your account in a read-only mode where you can browse the forum, read your old PMs, and it stops there.  

It's also what I always thought.

[LoyceV]

It could if someone had so many high ranking accounts that were banned. They could just want to mess up the trust system out of malice.

They'll need to have earned Merit to influence DT1-voting, the Rank doesn't matter. If you find sockpuppets doing that, just report them to theymos and they'll be blacklisted from voting. That's the same when they are not banned.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

However, what surprised me is that they are still able to trust and distrust in the recent weeks after the ban.

Is it possible the user can still modify his trust list even when banned

I think you already got your answers, but to still confirm again, I would say "Yes", I have a friend was left a couple of trust and distrust  on some profiles before he got banned, and even in his banned state, he was able to edit or delete the trust or distrust rating he gave to those profiles before the ban.

I am not sure if that is an oversight by theymos and the admin team or if it was intentionally done that way. Maybe they can comment here and tell us what is the benefit of banned users have the ability to make such changes. I was always under the impression that getting banned puts your account in a read-only mode where you can browse the forum, read your old PMs, and it stops there. Not sure why trust changes are possible.

It is not an oversight, and to be sincere, I think the feature is a good one when you consider some situations which leads users into leaving trust and distrust feedbacks, some of this situations are not permanent and so the trusts or distrust earned based on that situation shouldn't be permanent too, a user who left a distrust rating on a situation that later got resolved either needs to edit or delete his distrust rating, and if the user who left the distrust rating is banned, it becomes a problem for the user who's account was distrusted by the banned user.....
So indeed the ability for banned user to still edit or delete their trust rating even while their account is in banned state, is really useful.

[Pmalek]

It is not an oversight, and to be sincere, I think the feature is a good one when you consider some situations which leads users into leaving trust and distrust feedbacks, some of this situations are not permanent and so the trusts or distrust earned based on that situation shouldn't be permanent too, a user who left a distrust rating on a situation that later got resolved either needs to edit or delete his distrust rating, and if the user who left the distrust rating is banned, it becomes a problem for the user who's account was distrusted by the banned user.....
So indeed the ability for banned user to still edit or delete their trust rating even while their account is in banned state, is really useful.

I agree with you that it's a good thing to give even banned members a chance to delete posted trust feedback. But I seriously doubt that people that get banned would care about things like that. I am leaning more towards thinking that a banned user would do their best to get a pardon. And if that doesn't work, they wouldn't care less what happens to the forum, including things like trust. Do we have any stats how many banned members did such trust changes? A percentage maybe? It's probably a difficult thing to find but I know we have many stats enthusiasts here. LoyceV?

[tranthidung]

I agree with you that it's a good thing to give even banned members a chance to delete posted trust feedback. But I seriously doubt that people that get banned would care about things like that.

The case of naim07 likely is the first one I have ever known about a banned user still cares about trust list / trust feedback. It means something or does not mean anything, depends on what you see as I see if this point is considered as a plus point to unban one account, it will be compromised easily.

Do we have any stats how many banned members did such trust changes? A percentage maybe? It's probably a difficult thing to find but I know we have many stats enthusiasts here.

I believe it would be very few cases, so it would be better to count number of such cases rather than calculate the percentage.

LoyceV?

I only see LoyceV has data for trust list, not for trust feedback.

[hosseinimr93]

I only see LoyceV has data for trust list, not for trust feedback.

Wasn't Pmalek talking about stats on trust list changes?
As far as I know, it's not possible for a banned user to leave a feedback at all. Correct me if I am wrong, please.

[LoyceV]

Do we have any stats how many banned members did such trust changes? A percentage maybe? It's probably a difficult thing to find but I know we have many stats enthusiasts here. LoyceV?

That would mean scraping the Trust history of all 304,153 banned users (that I know of) on a regular basis. I'm not doing that, it's too much.
Unless you're talking about the Trust list, in that case I do have the data (but still don't want to check it. If you really want to, it's publicly available (but so not worth your time).

As far as I know, it's not possible for a banned user to leave a feedback at all. Correct me if I am wrong, please.

To quote the alt of a banned user:

I cannot leave any new feedback but I can delete old feedback that I left.

[Pmalek]

As far as I know, it's not possible for a banned user to leave a feedback at all. Correct me if I am wrong, please.

You can't leave new feedback if you get banned, but apparently you can delete feedback that you have submitted earlier before you got banned. I wonder if switching is also possible. From negative to neutral or from neutral to positive, for example. To me, that constitutes as leaving new feedback and therefore shouldn't be possible. 

[lovesmayfamilis]

As far as I know, it's not possible for a banned user to leave a feedback at all. Correct me if I am wrong, please.

You can't leave new feedback if you get banned, but apparently you can delete feedback that you have submitted earlier before you got banned. I wonder if switching is also possible. From negative to neutral or from neutral to positive, for example. To me, that constitutes as leaving new feedback and therefore shouldn't be possible. 

If nothing has changed since 2019, at the time when my account was banned, then deleting reviews was possible. Nothing else, like, for example, a change to a neutral review or a negative one, and this would mean a new action, was impossible.

[tranthidung]

If nothing has changed since 2019, at the time when my account was banned, then deleting reviews was possible. Nothing else, like, for example, a change to a neutral review or a negative one, and this would mean a new action, was impossible.

It is confirmed by the alt of naim027 (LoyceV quoted above already) and this confirmation means nothing was change in forum policy since 2019.

I confirm, that I can modify my trust list which I confirmed to LoyceV via Email a few weeks ago. I cannot leave any new feedback but I can delete old feedback that I left.

You can't leave new feedback if you get banned, but apparently you can delete feedback that you have submitted earlier before you got banned. I wonder if switching is also possible. From negative to neutral or from neutral to positive, for example. To me, that constitutes as leaving new feedback and therefore shouldn't be possible.  

And it makes sense too because a banned user is allowed to use the forum in View-mode only. Changing your own trust list ^{I don't mention DT members here} or delete your past trust feedback does not affect other users.

[LoyceV]

I wonder if switching is also possible. From negative to neutral or from neutral to positive, for example.

That's not possible without being banned, so I don't think this very nice feature suddenly becomes possible after a ban.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Changing your Trust list changes how you view the forum. It makes sense that banned users can still edit their Trust list based on who's judgement they value, so I don't think this is something that should be changed.

Hm.  Maybe I'm wrong, but being banned is basically the same as being a lurker with no account--and the latter group can't even see red/green trust, much less create their own trust lists, so I'm not sure why a person who's gone so far as to get his ass permabanned should have the right to modify anything that could affect other members (however small the chance).

Though I've only read the first few posts in this thread and might get an answer to my question, I have to wonder why naim027 would feel the need to modify his trust list now, after he's been banned.  It's not as though he's going to do business with anyone or anything of the sort.

Bottom line: I think when you're banned, you ought to lose the privilege to do things like make changes to your trust list.  Hell, I'm not even sure why banned members are still allowed to log into their accounts and do anything at all.

[hosseinimr93]

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It's possible that the banned user is interested in a service someone has posted about it and wants to use it.
As the banned user needs to know if the announcement poster is trustworthy enough, he/she should be able to modify his/her trust list.

[JollyGood]

Yes it is possible to add or remove members from their trust list after they have been banned because they can still access their account. Not that I care about his opinion but it happened to me when I refused to support alt-accounts naim027 and Dic3L0v3r in his attempt at getting his ban overturned.

According to BPIP records, this user seems to have been or is still banned

However, what surprised me is that they are still able to trust and distrust in the recent weeks after the ban.

Is it possible the user can still modify his trust list even when banned, or was he unbanned?

[Timelord2067]

Yes it is possible to add or remove members from their trust list after they have been banned because they can still access their account. Not that I care about his opinion but it happened to me when I refused to support alt-accounts naim027 and Dic3L0v3r in his attempt at getting his ban overturned.

If you look closely, that user has been modifying their DT trust/distrust list on and off every few weeks since they were first banned...  ^{(and before too)}

Week 165 they added 100 distrusts, Banned circa week 175 (and made numerous tweeks) - week 176 reversed the previous weeks' settings.  Week 184 reversed again.  Week 185 added more to both trust/distrust.

[JollyGood]

Those adding and removing after they were banned is something that is allowed in the rules otherwise it would not be allowed, therefore he did it to suit his needs as he tried to battle to have his ban overturned. The issue is: should it be allowed?

Keeping the ban aside, his suspected alt-accounts have also played their part in open or subtle ways too. He is not the only one there are too many members that have manipulated the trust system for a long time.

A couple of years ago there was a massive push from members of a particular language board (that I will not name) trying to become merit source as well as on DT. A lot of manipulation and nonsense was going on that time then after several months it subsided.

This user was trying to use his account to climb up the ladder as soon as possible in order to jump on signature campaigns and was willing to become pals with any and all for it. Now that the account is banned he will have to create some others in order join signature campaigns.. probably already has alt-accounts.

Yes it is possible to add or remove members from their trust list after they have been banned because they can still access their account. Not that I care about his opinion but it happened to me when I refused to support alt-accounts naim027 and Dic3L0v3r in his attempt at getting his ban overturned.

If you look closely, that user has been modifying their DT trust/distrust list on and off every few weeks since they were first banned...  ^{(and before too)}

Week 165 they added 100 distrusts, Banned circa week 175 (and made numerous tweeks) - week 176 reversed the previous weeks' settings.  Week 184 reversed again.  Week 185 added more to both trust/distrust.