Do NOT trust Braiins OS+ - shady company, takes up to 10% dev fee and more

[mikeywith]

Precisely because they did not release the changes they made to cgminer to support those changes, which is a clear violation of the license.

Yet "some mining pool's owner" has no issue allowing all the new miners to mine to his pool as long as they use stock firmware, not only do they violate the Cgmier license, but they also have no proof of actually finding blocks just like most other custom firmware, cherry-picking the people you want to lecture is fine I suppose, as long as you don't mess with the big boys like Bitmain, Whatsminer, and Canaan your pool is relatively safe, meanwhile, practice all of your morals and on the little guys. 

[hZti]

This is absolutely true, it is the mistake of the manufacturer to not step in and create a good software for their own product. With that in mind it is totally reasonable that Braiins want to keep a share for their effort, even if I would appreciate it more if they would simply do a crowdfunding or something.

[mikeywith]

even if I would appreciate it more if they would simply do a crowdfunding or something.

They are making profit off of it, most custom firmware with added features like auto tune charge fees and make some good money, crowdfunding would make sense if someone was working on the original cgminer or coding something new while adding all these features and not taking firmware fees.

[hZti]

even if I would appreciate it more if they would simply do a crowdfunding or something.

They are making profit off of it, most custom firmware with added features like auto tune charge fees and make some good money, crowdfunding would make sense if someone was working on the original cgminer or coding something new while adding all these features and not taking firmware fees.

Would be very interesting to know on how much hashrate they actually accumulate with all that miners running Braiins OS+, must be quite a lot. But I guess it is not that easy to code a Programm like that since nobody so far has done something similar for free.

[mikeywith]

Would be very interesting to know on how much hashrate they actually accumulate with all that miners running Braiins OS+, must be quite a lot.

Only they know, or maybe if some large pools leak such data then you can get a good estimate of how much hashrate they have, the pool should know which "firmware" is responsible for every x amount of hashrate, but anyway, I personally couldn't care less, I just hope they are making  enough profit to keep their operations on going, competition in this market is very good for us as miners.

But I guess it is not that easy to code a Programm like that

Sure thing, I'd imagine writing the first CPUminer was a lot harder than anything else that came after it, but still, it's very costly and time-consuming to do it even now.

[kano]

Why don't you test it yourself then? You have a pool don't you? Didn't you say others don't test and yet you are doing precisely that, not testing but seeding FUD
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No one can do this as I've said how many times so far?

There is no proof that all the data you display is correct.
It's closed source software - it can display whatever the hell it likes on the web page.

You know my statement is correct, and yet you keep pretending it's not true.

Sigh ...

Funny how all this high merit starts appearing on posts that are ignorant or bullshit. lol

like all the time you claimed it didn't find blocks, and yet, it always did.
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Stop rattling off lies for your hidden agenda.

My request was very simple.
Prove it finds blocks.

Show me anywhere on the forum you have done this. Anywhere.

Aside: no bos firmware has ever found a block on my pool.
I only allow them now due to someone finding a >32bit share - which is still not a full block test.
Alas you guys are too fucking lazy to even test your own software correctly, before giving it to others, and forcing them to test it for you.


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But I guess it is not that easy to code a Programm like that since nobody so far has done something similar for free.

Eh?

cgminer is free under the GPL license.

I even coded in the S17 chips for the gekko ferrari.

[taserz]

Well the manufacturer has been making plenty of money selling the machines, so they could easily afford to develop their own mining program and yet...

On the other hand, the only group doing actual r+d of things not documented anywhere gets false accusations from jealous people who can't produce their own mining program either.

Braiins OS is the only solution that does not pirate cgminer, at least in its limited selection of supported ASIC miners that were painstakingly figured out without anyone's help.

Every time the manufacturer introduces a new model or does some change, this work needs to be done again to be able to support the new variant. Precisely because they did not release the changes they made to cgminer to support those changes, which is a clear violation of the license.

Excuse me your note the only group doing r+d. All your features are a clone of features we invented. Regardless this thread is fun to watch. You do realize Kano win's this argument right?

[Lanaa]

Well, if you want to find out, mine against your own pool. Its not like there is not a pool operator posting here for some reason...

The fee is 2.5%, this is immutable and hard coded. For S9, it is 2%, also hard coded and immutable. There are no choices of changing this. Unlike other firmware, you cannot add hidden groups on top of the existing one by request, whitelabel, or whatever.

Point it to your own pool locally and measure, you will get either 97.5% or 98% of the hashrate. The miner dashboard reports 100% (Real) hashrate, the pool will only get 97.5% or 98% from that.

If you add groups and assign a fixed ratio, you will notice there is a hidden group always taking 2.5%, so you only have 97.5% available to split. Its not 90%, 95%, or whatever random fake account of the month decides to invent because they don't like when i point the fact that all other firmware infringes cgminer license while Braiins doesn't. Too bad that pool operator doesn't care and prefers to join the badmouthing crowd without proof, as usual.

Farm proxy is another project, and has a different license. It has no fees, can be used without Braiins OS.

None of what you said answers any of the questions I posed in the original post. My post covers communications with your team and your very own license that disputes everything you just said. I can only assume you 1) didn't read my post, or 2) know exactly what you're doing and giving a politician-type answer - not answering the question and just repeating numbers, as Kano said.

Again, why not simply make a feature in Braiins OS+ that SHOWS where your "dev fee" is going and how much? Wouldn't that make everything a lot simpler? Why do you refuse to do this?

You are free to speculate what the 2% or 2.5% of the hashrate is used for since its encrypted, believe it or not, it goes to the pool operated by Braiins which was formerly called Slush Pool. But what you cannot say is that this is suddenly "10%", that is a blatant lie.

This is hilarious. Again, your own license claims that it does go up to 10%.

Braiins OS is the only solution that does not pirate cgminer, at least in its limited selection of supported ASIC miners that were painstakingly figured out without anyone's help.

Every time the manufacturer introduces a new model or does some change, this work needs to be done again to be able to support the new variant. Precisely because they did not release the changes they made to cgminer to support those changes, which is a clear violation of the license.

This thread was made in regards to Braiins OS+'s license (or lack thereof, until I had to get it out of the support team) and not cgminer. This is not a cgminer vs bosminer war, I made this thread because of the numerous misleading statements your team has made, and continues to make. Please stay on topic.

[Artemis3]

Ah yes, the vnish crowd and their fake users, as if you needed to know how to program an asic to make it work, all you do is leech off existing software modded illegally. Who pirates the pirates? You do, merry singing along the way.

I laugh at your stupid claims from that silly stunt you tried in 2019, as if anything from that time was kept, keep dreaming. All your "work" was useless. And yet, you charge a premium. Stop talking and replace cgminer already like you have been promising for months, but i know you will not do it, you don't have what it takes, pirating is easier.

Of course we all know Kano is your biggest fan, when will you hire him? He worked for Bitmain you know?

[kano]

... Kano ... He worked for Bitmain you know?

LOL

The bitmain driver I did for the S1, I paid full price for the S1 (they never paid me anything)
The S2 for the driver, was provided to me by someone unrelated to bitmain in any way.
The S3's I got were from the people who I initially wrote the pool database for - again nothing to do with bitmain.

Saying I worked for bitmain is a rather major stretch of the reality of it all.
The biggest issue being that they never paid me.

The bitmain service place in the usa, that wasn't really part of bitmain, did send me some tiny U1 and U2 miners though.
That was when I got the S2 someone else paid them to send me.

[mikeywith]

Aside: no bos firmware has ever found a block on my pool.

With all due respect, the size of your pool makes it incredibly inaccurate for such things.

I even coded in the S17 chips for the gekko ferrari.

That means exactly nothing to the majority of miners, end users want a ready-to-go file that they can just drag and drop into the miner web page. So until you or someone from the Cgminer "crew" or anyone else for that matter makes something like that -- nobody would give a shit and people will continue using modded/custom firmware like BO and Vnish.

Funny how all this high merit starts appearing on posts that are ignorant or bullshit. lol

Every post that has any good discussion points deserves merit, it doesn't mean I agree with it or I support it, in fact, I would probably give you more merit than anyone else on this board if you were participating in the merit system, but alas, you don't like anything that is community driven.

[kano]

... but alas, you don't like anything that is community driven.

Clearly your English skills are showing as lacking in this false statement.
Please get someone to translate, whatever you were trying to say, correctly.

[mikeywith]

Clearly your English skills are showing as lacking in this false statement.

These two statements contradict each other, which one is true? did you really not understand my statement? or do you think it's false? you can't say it's false without understanding the meaning of it, on the other hand, if you did actually understand what I was trying to imply -- it means my English is not bad 'contrary to your first statement.

Anyway, the button line of my statement which you seem to have perfectly understood is that you can't really blend in well with others, you parted ways with CK, things didn't end up great with Bitmain, and you have issues with every mining firmware developer/representative in this forum, heck, you even have issues with most folks in the mining community, which is why I am not surprised by the fact that you don't participate in the merit system, because you do NOT have the final word in how the system should operate, you probably also think that only your posts are worthy of merit.

That's probably the main reason why you hardly receive any merit, not just because you are a rude person who doesn't respect others.

Now if for whatever reason, you still don't get it, sorry I can't translate any better.

[kano]

Clearly your English skills are showing as lacking in this false statement.

These two statements contradict each other, which one is true? did you really not understand my statement? or do you think it's false? you can't say it's false without understanding the meaning of it, on the other hand, if you did actually understand what I was trying to imply -- it means my English is not bad 'contrary to your first statement.

Anyway, the button line of my statement which you seem to have perfectly understood is that you can't really blend in well with others, you parted ways with CK, things didn't end up great with Bitmain, and you have issues with every mining firmware developer/representative in this forum, heck, you even have issues with most folks in the mining community, which is why I am not surprised by the fact that you don't participate in the merit system, because you do NOT have the final word in how the system should operate, you probably also think that only your posts are worthy of merit.

That's probably the main reason why you hardly receive any merit, not just because you are a rude person who doesn't respect others.

Now if for whatever reason, you still don't get it, sorry I can't translate any better.

I have never said I wanted merit on my posts and have actually clearly stated that I don't want it.
I've no idea how anyone giving me merit would in any way help the community.
I only give out merit on rare occasions since there are those who are supposed to already do this properly ... ... ...

You've thrown in a number of lies in your post to be annoying, and yes indeed you are annoying.
(However I will admit I have no idea what a "button line" is)

I have no idea why you think that you posting crap on occasion, and meriting posts to annoy people on occasion, is being part of the bitcoin community.

Meanwhile I have been part of the community for the past 11 years and provided free software and support for most of that time.
Just because you are ignorant of this fact, does not mean your should make up shit to further whatever agenda it is you have.
To be blunt, it just makes you look stupid.

and ... while you may think it's ok to violate licenses, that only require people to provide source code changes they make, on top of the free source code they have received, I don't think it is ok to violate my license.
There is almost no effort or cost involved to provide the source code.
That's the basic premise of the GPL license - to keep opensource software opensource.
Which is indeed the license on my cgminer software that people use.
Pity you don't seem to like the idea of opensource community software.

[mikeywith]

I only give out merit on rare occasions since there are those who are supposed to already do this properly ... ... ...

 See that is the issue, nobody gets paid for giving merit, not sure why do you wait for others to do it, it is a community thing, which you chose not to participate in.

Besides, there is no proper way of spending merit, everyone has their own thoughts on what posts deserve merit, just because you do not like those posts it does not mean they should not be merited.

Pity you don't seem to like the idea of opensource community software.

Keep making your own assumption, you are good at this, i never said it is okay to violate any license, in fact, you should actually go after them and take legal actions instead of nagging about it here all the time.

As for opensource or not, when it comes to mining, i want the best firmware to be on my gears, i could not care less who wrote the firmware, you say you have been in this game for 11 years and yet you do not have any firmware that I can run on my gears, a few guys that joined the game years after you have already made some sick firmware, be it written from scratch like BO or modified like Vnish.

[taserz]

Ah yes, the vnish crowd and their fake users, as if you needed to know how to program an asic to make it work, all you do is leech off existing software modded illegally. Who pirates the pirates? You do, merry singing along the way.

I laugh at your stupid claims from that silly stunt you tried in 2019, as if anything from that time was kept, keep dreaming. All your "work" was useless. And yet, you charge a premium. Stop talking and replace cgminer already like you have been promising for months, but i know you will not do it, you don't have what it takes, pirating is easier.

Of course we all know Kano is your biggest fan, when will you hire him? He worked for Bitmain you know?

Are you retarded or just dumb. I reply to a post months later... half the time it's because mikey pings me on telegram so I come and look.

All you do is leech off from us and pretty much the whole industry knows this at this point which imho doesn't look good for you guys. Why not share the real reason for the pool change. Good to at least separate slush's work that built the early days of the network. Your s9, s17, and now s19 exploit is our exploit we discovered and released to the public to install our firmware. Let me know a feature you made. What your doing kills innovation as it makes no reason to invent. Hell why do you think we aren't releasing the AMlogic stuff it's getting really annoying a big ass company as braiins has to steal from the little guy.. It's getting really old really fast. What stunt in 2019? What are you talking about lol? We had autotune in 2018 and then a fully developed autotune by end of 2018. What I was trying to do getting voltage to go below 8v is irrelevant lol.


lmfao kano worked for bitmain now hahahahahaha okay now I know your just a troll and a racist piece of shit.

Also why do you flex it's made in rust? That is weird should I be advertising made in: Assembly, Rust, and C??? Weird flex bro

[kano]

I only give out merit on rare occasions since there are those who are supposed to already do this properly ... ... ...

 See that is the issue, nobody gets paid for giving merit, not sure why do you wait for others to do it, it is a community thing, which you chose not to participate in.

Besides, there is no proper way of spending merit, everyone has their own thoughts on what posts deserve merit, just because you do not like those posts it does not mean they should not be merited.

Like a sizeable number of people on the forum, I have merit coz theymos gave it to all the highly active and highly ranked people on the forum.
My pool thread is one of the highest post counts and post views on the forum back then (and still now)

Merit is a new thing added not long ago in terms of how long I've been on the forum.
Heck my online time, which is no longer displayed, showed over a year, not long before he removed that information from everyone's account.

How you think merit should work, is your problem, not mine.
It has nothing to do with your bullshit about saying I'm not part of the bitcoin community.

Heck you even posted something so ridiculous about that, that I may as well follow up on it also:

you parted ways with CK

Correct, and what happened, and what happened after that?

CK locked me out of the cgminer git, which I've been working on since 2011, and locked me out of the ckpool git, which I am the majority developer of.

Since then, CK went to shut down both his pools, but only kept his solo going coz the 'community' paid him to do that, after he said he was going to shut it down.
He also closed off both the cgminer thread and the ckpool software thread here on the forum.

Meanwhile, I've been running my pool non-stop with updates and improvement since 2014, and I'm now also the only original developer active on cgminer with my git that I created in 2011, that I moved the other inactive content into it also.

Even more fun to know, I provided the free gekko driver to the community, for the amazing high cost of ... 1 gekko miner ... that was necessary to write the driver, you can't write a driver without having the miner.

Pity you don't seem to like the idea of opensource community software.

Keep making your own assumption, you are good at this, i never said it is okay to violate any license, in fact, you should actually go after them and take legal actions instead of nagging about it here all the time.

As for opensource or not, when it comes to mining, i want the best firmware to be on my gears, i could not care less who wrote the firmware, you say you have been in this game for 11 years and yet you do not have any firmware that I can run on my gears, a few guys that joined the game years after you have already made some sick firmware, be it written from scratch like BO or modified like Vnish.

Right so what you are quite clearly saying is, you don't care that they are violating the opensource cgminer license, you will use them anyway.

Sigh - which is what you quoted me, and claim is wrong - lol

... and why are you telling me I should I spend large amounts of money going after them?

[mikeywith]

Like a sizeable number of people on the forum, I have merit coz theymos gave it to all the highly active and highly ranked people on the forum.
My pool thread is one of the highest post counts and post views on the forum back then (and still now)

Sorry to tell you that everyone that was barely active before the merit airdrop which took a place a few years back got the same amount of 'airdropped' merit as you, which includes all the scammers and spammers.

CK locked me out of the cgminer git, which I've been working on since 2011, and locked me out of the ckpool git, which I am the majority developer of.

Ya, maybe because you can't really blend in well with others? did he just decide to lock you for no reason? unless he is mentally unstable I don't think he would do so, but either way regardless of that, you could still continue on on your own and provide new firmware that matches the current custom firmware, getting lockout of ck's owned git is not an excuse of why you let a few newcomers beat you at your own game.

You brag about being in this field long before most of us, but what is the outcome? Vnish who probably didn't hear of crypto until it was talked about on TV now has firmware running on hundreds of thousands if not millions of gears, the same goes for Slush folks, how many gears run your own complete ready-to-flash firmware? ZERO.

Even more fun to know, I provided the free gekko driver to the community, for the amazing high cost of ... 1 gekko miner ... that was necessary to write the driver, you can't write a driver without having the miner.

That's so nice of you, but come on, who uses those USB sticks? just a couple of hobbyists who barely make any profit, why not compete against custom firmware on actual ASICs like S 9/17/19 if you actually want to be paid for your efforts? we pay 2-3% on firmware fees for BO+ and Vnish, i am sure most people will be happy paying you the same fee or if it was a fee-less firmware you would still get large donations, I will be the first one to do so.


Have you ever thought that nagging about the closed-source firmware which some of them violate your license actually gets you nowhere and that the best thing to do would be to actually compete against them?

[kano]

Like a sizeable number of people on the forum, I have merit coz theymos gave it to all the highly active and highly ranked people on the forum.
My pool thread is one of the highest post counts and post views on the forum back then (and still now)

Sorry to tell you that everyone that was barely active before the merit airdrop which took a place a few years back got the same amount of 'airdropped' merit as you, which includes all the scammers and spammers.

How is that in any way relevant. So what. Nothing new there.
You're the idiot telling me how I must be using this merit that you just pointed out was given to spammers, scammers and just about anyone, trying to make it sound next to worthless - lol

CK locked me out of the cgminer git, which I've been working on since 2011, and locked me out of the ckpool git, which I am the majority developer of.

Ya, maybe because you can't really blend in well with others? did he just decide to lock you for no reason? unless he is mentally unstable I don't think he would do so, but either way regardless of that, you could still continue on on your own and provide new firmware that matches the current custom firmware, getting lockout of ck's owned git is not an excuse of why you let a few newcomers beat you at your own game.

You say "maybe" "I don't think" ... well good on you - but you are wrong.

No where did I say it was an excuse, yet again you're rambling bullshit, or don't you even understand English?

His community involvement has been to disassociate himself from it as I clearly explained.

Mine has been to continue my involvement.
If for some reason you decide that the "game" you want me to play is not what I am doing, well that's your problem.

You brag about being in this field long before most of us, but what is the outcome? Vnish who probably didn't hear of crypto until it was talked about on TV now has firmware running on hundreds of thousands if not millions of gears, the same goes for Slush folks, how many gears run your own complete ready-to-flash firmware? ZERO.

It's not a brag, it's a fact.
Right, and yet they all include software I wrote - and software MANY other people wrote.
Oh well, damn shame about that hey.

Even more fun to know, I provided the free gekko driver to the community, for the amazing high cost of ... 1 gekko miner ... that was necessary to write the driver, you can't write a driver without having the miner.

That's so nice of you, but come on, who uses those USB sticks? just a couple of hobbyists who barely make any profit

Wow - you are so full of shit, it's so funny.
You don't even know the reality.

You go on about community, but then directly imply these USB miners are a waste of time.
You are implying people should only be dealing with the big companies, not the community - lol

, why not compete against custom firmware on actual ASICs like S 9/17/19 if you actually want to be paid for your efforts? we pay 2-3% on firmware fees for BO+ and Vnish, i am sure most people will be happy paying you the same fee or if it was a fee-less firmware you would still get large donations, I will be the first one to do so.

When did I say I wanted to be paid?
AND Why do I have to do what you keep saying I must do?
I'm replying here coz I'm sick of the bullshit based on ignorance you keep posting and the shit you keep posting about what you say I should be doing.

Have you ever thought that nagging about the closed-source firmware which some of them violate your license actually gets you nowhere and that the best thing to do would be to actually compete against them?

Have you ever thought that what you want me to do is irrelevant?
I post about the violation of the license when new threads come up about it and sometimes when new discussion comes up about it.
Oh well, you don't like that, damn shame.

Your the one who brought up the bullshit claims about 'community' and even again in this last post it is full of crap.
If it wasn't for the fact that you are given so much merit to hand out on the forum, I'd just ignore all this rubbish you post.
The problem is people see your name all over the place giving out merit, so some probably read this bullshit you post, so I've followed up pointing out it is bullshit.

[mikeywith]

How is that in any way relevant.

That was in response to your false claim

I have merit coz theymos gave it to all the highly active and highly ranked people on the forum.

You think you got the airdropped merit because you are "highly active and highly ranked", so I had correct you on this (like how I often do), there was nothing special about you, you got merit just like anyone else, sorry to ruin it for you.

You say "maybe" "I don't think" ... well good on you

To be honest, I am certain you can't blend in well with others, I was just trying to be nice by saying "maybe".

Right, and yet they all include software I wrote

Slush folks wrote their first firmware from scratch, furthermore, you also used the code of other people, it's not like you invented computers and binary and wrote everything from scratch, but those folks now dominate the mining firmware space alongside with Bitmain and the others, of course, thanks to you and to the everyone else.

You go on about community, but then directly imply these USB miners are a waste of time.
You are implying people should only be dealing with the big companies, not the community - lol

When did I say I wanted to be paid?

I provided the free gekko driver to the community, for the amazing high cost of ... 1 gekko miner .

Well, you were the one to talk about getting paid, not me.


It is pretty clear that you were hopping for a better price, I do not think USB miners are a waste of time, I simply explained that those folks make little to no profit, so it would be foolish to think that the small USB sticks community can pay you anything larger and that if you are not happy with the little "cost" you got, then go ahead and make something for the ASIC community because that's where the money is made.

AND Why do I have to do what you keep saying I must do?
I post about the violation of the license when new threads come up about it and sometimes when new discussion comes up about it.
Oh well, you don't like that, damn shame.

I did not say I don't like it, your posts aren't being stored on my drive, and I don't sell custom firmware,  despite the fact that I don't like your attitude I do think you deserve more which is why I just feel bad for you, I really do, and to see you sitting here in a few topics that only a couple people read -- nagging about how that firmware is closed source or and the other one violate your license without actually doing something effective about it like "Making your own firmware" is just sad.

So no, I am not trying to tell you what to do, it's not like my miners are sitting there waiting for your firmware, it was just free advice from a random person on the internet, you don't have to be triggered by it, if you don't like me suggesting that you should compete by making your own firmware, just ignore it and stick to the nagging.

Anyway, you have taken this matter too personally, maybe I did too, and this is going off-topic, so I will stop here. I will also refrain from replying to your posts to the best of my abilities, even those that sound to me like complete B.S.

Good luck.