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August 10, 2022, 09:43:00 PM
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I don't live in the US and in the EU we don't have to report any crypto - crypto trades. Only cashing out is a taxable event and not in every country. I've never reported anything crypto relate. I want to stay as much under the radar as I can, so I mainly trade for fiat in a physical exchange.

That said, probably 50% of Americans don't know they should report crypto-crypto trades or know but don't do it anyway. If this was allowed in my country and then they decided it isn't anymore and I should come clean about my crypto, I wouldn't do it. I'd rather not trade at all then show my wallets to those vultures.

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August 10, 2022, 10:37:11 PM
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IRS is a weird one like that. They make you pay the taxes so that you would pay the right price and not tell you how much you owe, and if you pay the wrong amount then they will collect it with some interest. Meaning, they already knew how much you should have paid, if they didn't know at all then you could have paid 100 bucks instead of 1k dollars and they wouldn't know and you would get away with it.

But since they know, they can charge you with wrong amount, but if they knew, then why didn't they gave you the chance to actually learn what amount it is and then pay it? Why make people pay the amount they think they owe, instead of letting them take a guess?
How about you read more on the tax laws instead of saying they are weird? They know how to compute the correct capital gains taxes because there is a guide to follow and that guide is public for everyone to see. I bet professionals in the field of taxation knows the rules as well so you may tap on their skills if you find taxation too confusing.

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August 12, 2022, 07:40:44 PM
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I don't think there are lots of people there who will gonna evade their taxes because they can be tracked and will face the consequences unless they know how to hide it from the government using their tricks. But normal people, will abide by the laws and don't commit something like that. especially when it comes to bitcoins where all eyes are on you if they find out you were hiding some huge amount of it and you are lucky if they don't get it forcefully from you.

I believe most people who aren't paying taxes on crypto are not paying simply because they do not know they need to. Not that they're trying to evade.
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August 12, 2022, 07:50:20 PM
Last edit: August 12, 2022, 08:12:57 PM by Anonohmon
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IRS is a weird one like that. They make you pay the taxes so that you would pay the right price and not tell you how much you owe, and if you pay the wrong amount then they will collect it with some interest. Meaning, they already knew how much you should have paid, if they didn't know at all then you could have paid 100 bucks instead of 1k dollars and they wouldn't know and you would get away with it.

But since they know, they can charge you with wrong amount, but if they knew, then why didn't they gave you the chance to actually learn what amount it is and then pay it? Why make people pay the amount they think they owe, instead of letting them take a guess?
How about you read more on the tax laws instead of saying they are weird? They know how to compute the correct capital gains taxes because there is a guide to follow and that guide is public for everyone to see. I bet professionals in the field of taxation knows the rules as well so you may tap on their skills if you find taxation too confusing.

They are weird. Think about it. If they know how much you owe, why not just hand you a bill with that amount? Also they realize most people get confused BECAUSE of the weird laws. Since in most countries you dont get taxed for every little trade, where as in the US you do. Of course tons of people aren't going to know what they owe. And afaik tax professionals cost a lot of money. Lets say you technically owe a few hundred or maybe even a thousand dollars on trades in a year. A tax professional is going to cost you nearly a thousand dollars (last I checked) to sift through the tens of thousands of little micro trades you've done. Unless you have an automatic software (not possible from just wallet trade functions) then you're going to have to manually calculate all that. Which could take a long time, maybe days or weeks in some cases and better not fuck up. So you're paying the tax professional more than what you owe in taxes.

I think many people, wouldn't mind paying taxes if they just TOLD you what you owed. It's like they know, but hope you are going to trip up and accidentally calculate incorrectly.


Hell, if the IRS wanted to tax trades, I could see if it's like a really large amount and you're trading for a stable coin to just hold, and you made so much that you would owe a few thousand dollars or more in taxes. But trades in which you literally would only owe a few cents? really? This is absolute insanity you have to calculate all of this if its thousands of trades. I think this is why most nations use fair common sense and just say okay, whatever you cash out, pay the gain you made on that. Be it 15% 30% or even at 50% it's more fair than wanting you to keep track of every single trade from one crypto to another.

Especially when you're literally only doing a trade to move from one wallet to another.


THEN on top of the fact that you could end up losing out.

So having a case in which lets say you traded in 2021, you technically owe money, then 2022 happens and you lose 80 to 90% of your wealth. Now you own more money than you even have! This is the most unfair unjust system in existence. Give us your blood and cut your right arm off to feed us is basically the IRS. Whoever creates these laws are either evil or really uneducated about crypto to the point of being extremely stupid to make laws on things they don't understand.
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August 12, 2022, 08:08:46 PM
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Isn't it insane that only in the USA, they tax trades and then expect YOU to figure out how much you "owe"??
Imagine going to the grocery store and the cashier scans all your items, her computer tells her how much you owe, but she wont tell you, and instead, expects you to calculate everything and if you're wrong, you go to jail.

It's quite the other way around, you go with a bag full of products, you tell the cashier that is worth 100$ you pay and you go on your way. If the guards stop you and you have 1000$ worth of merchandise they call the police.

Isn't it insane that only in the USA, they tax trades and then expect YOU to figure out how much you "owe"??

No, the US is not the only one that taxes this, and in every country in Europe that I know of you have to come with the amount you owe first.



So it's like basically the guard adds up what you owe instead of the cashier. It's like they place it like that literally in order to trip people up. It's like deliberately knowing most people aren't going to know, so lets lay a trap for them.

From my understanding in countries in Europe, they send a tax bill for things they know about, but they might not know about everything, so that's when they expect you to inform them. And realizing keeping track of every trade is nearly impossible if you're doing thousands of trades in a year, it's much more fair and they just say okay to keep it simple, how about you just pay taxes on a capital gain that you make when you cash out?  That makes it so simple a young school kid could figure that out. The US has it in such a way that you can end up owing more money than you currently have.

You did some trades in 2021 and made a technical on paper "profit" so lets say you started with 1000 dollars, traded up to 5000 dollars worth of "profit" in 2021. Then next year comes and alt coins dumped now you have less than 10 dollars worth because you did NOT cash out, however.... the blood thirsty (metaphorically equivalent to vampires who prey on little children) known as the IRS... demands you pay nearly 2000 dollars because you made some trades in 2021. But you have much less money than you started with. Citing short term cap gain give us 40% of 4000 dollars.

This is insanity. It's easy for most people to not even think they would owe taxes since they have a huge loss. But there is a reason the IRS is buying guns. I guess they need them to come after people who don't have the money to give them.

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August 12, 2022, 09:36:53 PM
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I believe USA have got a well planned system that clearly calculate the tax based on each and every transaction. Even in my country things were getting better and are streamlined to make every citizen pay tax. Even the exemption list on taxation have been limited. Tax filing service providers help people to lower the tax, but at times these things make the person when there is no proper document to support.

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