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August 12, 2022, 01:40:36 PM
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About 6 months ago I created https://orangefren.com/.
Also available at http://rnwis2whetqcj4oknksnc5l24jbh33nflunifff3xtjjonnoxu3ld6id.onion/.

OrangeFren.com lets you quickly compare the rates among instant, KYC-free, exchanges trading Bitcoin (including on Lightining), Bitcoin Cash, Ethereum, Litecoin, Monero, USDC and USDT.

The comparison takes into account the amount you're willing to trade and (by default) your region.

At this point the site queries about a half a dozen exchanges, none of which require a sign up.

For trades from Bitcoin into Monero the site also shows atomic swaps when their rate is better than that of instant exchanges.

We also partnered up with some of our best exchanges to offer the OrangeFren Guarantee - a security deposit provided to us by the exchanges to compensate our users in cases of disputes with the exchanges.

The specifics vary depending on the exchange, but the most common points include compensation to the user if an exchange runs off with their money, doesn't respond to their messages, lies about the previewed exchange rate or when the user is asked to answer KYC or SoF questions and passes the verification.

You can also use our service through our Telegram bot: https://orangefren.com/bot/telegram. It has the same functionality as OrangeFren.com with the added ability to request price alerts delivered through a DM straight to your inbox.

If you'd like to follow our project we're most active on Reddit as u/OrangeFren.

I look forward to hearing your thoughts and feedback!
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We also partnered up with some of our best exchanges to offer the OrangeFren Guarantee - a security deposit provided to us by the exchanges to compensate our users in cases of disputes with the exchanges.
Can you share how much they deposited for this?

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or when the user is asked to answer KYC or SoF questions and passes the verification.
So it's not KYC-free?
One of the exchanges you're listing is a confirmed selective scammer:
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Selective scammer: this exchange claims to be anonymous, then refuses to send funds and asks for KYC when it's convenient for them.
That's gonna be costly to compensate your users.

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So it's not KYC-free?
All of the exchanges listed on OrangeFren.com generally don't require KYC verification. However some check if the coins are tainted and then require SoF verification.
This never happened to any of my users and in the case of exchanges that have a reputation of doing so in the past there's a red warning on OrangeFren.com.
It's unfortunate, but sadly unavoidable if the exchanges constantly require liquidity from the huge CEXes.

The OrangeFren Guarantee does not apply to all exchanges listed. Currently it's only for trades on FixedFloat and eXch. Although I have suggested the service to others too, including the one you mention, they have declined.

I will look into the reports regarding the service you mentioned and probably add a red warning for them too.

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Can you share how much they deposited for this?
Currently we compensate up to 2k USD per trade with FixedFloat and up to 1k USD per trade with eXch. Note that with the exception of an exit-scam our compensation maxes out at 10% so under normal circumstances that's a proportionate compensation for trades up to 20k and 10k respectively.
Our reserves are naturally larger than the per trade maximum.
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generally don't require KYC verification
So the "KYC-free" claim is misleading Sad

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some check if the coins are tainted
Can you share how they check that? And list the exchanges in [Blacklist] of unreliable, 'taint proclaiming' Bitcoin services / exchanges?
Taint only exists if people believe it does! The notion of "taint" is very bad for Bitcoin. Allow me to quote myself:
I've seen several posts lately from people willing to treat Bitcoin as non-fungible because they believe some coins are "tainted".
I'd say this is a severe threat to Bitcoin, and I wouldn't be surprised if governments use this because they can't stop Bitcoin in any other way. If people believe Bitcoin is "tainted", they won't accept it anymore. "We" should really inform people not to fall for this.
Nobody would reject a dollar bill because it has previously been used in a crime, despite the fact that 85 to 90% contains traces of cocaine. Claiming Bitcoin isn't fungible is just plain stupid.

This never happened to any of my users and in the case of exchanges that have a reputation of doing so in the past there's a red warning on OrangeFren.com.
I didn't see any warning on the selective scammers I mentioned. It's better to avoid them entirely.

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our compensation maxes out at 10%
I didn't catch that when you wrote "compensate our users", but after checking the meaning of the word, it turns out "compensate" doesn't mean what I thought it would.

There's a flaw in your Untraceable Bitcoin with Monero: the exchange you use knows exactly which Bitcoin addresses belong to your IP address if you're not using different Tor identities.



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So the "KYC-free" claim is misleading  Sad
Well... we've never observed them being non KYC-free to our users. And if they start doing that and the users go through their verification we'll compensate them for their trouble and loss of privacy straight from the exchange' coffers. It's not flawless, but if we only listed exchanges that will never check if your coins are tainted we'd only be able to list one and I suspect it's only a matter of time, before they too are forced to change their business model.

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Can you share how they check that?
Unfortunately no, because there is no objective standard, just like you say it's entirely subjective. Anecdotally I have reason to believe stolen coins are considered tainted, but coins from DNMs are not, but that's just me connecting the dots from the things I hear, please don't rely on this observation.
Aside from the warning users an exchange might take their funds if they appear tainted we also warn users if an exchange is known to send tainted coins which then cause inconvenience when the user tries to spend them.

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The notion of "taint" is very bad for Bitcoin.
I fully agree with you. However so long as Bitcoin's blockchain is transparent it is unavoidable. The only (admittedly partial) solution which comes to mind is the use of Bitcoin's Lightning Network of which I am a strong supported and actually before OrangeFren.com I spent my days creating tools for lnd professionally. For that reason OrangeFren.com does separate comparisons and collects separate rates from Lighting exchanges.


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There's a flaw in your Untraceable Bitcoin with Monero
You're right! Thanks for letting me know! I'll go over the post and fix the error.

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Thank you! The website actually started off with that idea, however nobody ever used it. Recently I was actually planning on removing that feature entirely.
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Having too many online account could be annoying and has some privacy/security concern if the user has weak privacy/security practice.

That's an interesting point that I haven't considered. My rationale was it's best for new users to already have accounts on P2P exchanges to avoid the temptation of going with one of the huge CEXes which are atrocious from a privacy standpoint.

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IMO there should be clarification if the exchange ask for KYC/SoF.

I considered adding that, however it's hard to get a good source for this. I've seen exchanges break their own ToS with respect to requiring verification or allowing the user to get their funds back if they refuse to answer questions.

I can ask the exchanges outright, but if they lie or change their mind in the future like some did with their ToS then I'd be giving the user a false sense of security.
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I look forward to hearing your thoughts and feedback
Can you list all the services and exchanges you are using to get best offers?
I tried finding offers for several trading pairs and I only found two or three for Bitcoin Lightning, and most of the other coins except ethereum.
I never used Exolix exchange and I wouldn't trust ChanegNow very much that they won't ask for kyc or freeze my coins.

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Can you list all the services and exchanges you are using to get best offers?
As I write this OrangeFren.com lists offers from: FixedFloat, SideShift, Exolix, ChangeNow, MajesticBank, StealthEx, eXch and (for BTC->XMR) atomic swaps.

I tried finding offers for several trading pairs and I only found two or three for Bitcoin Lightning, and most of the other coins except ethereum.
The website only shows results which fit the amount you want to trade and, by default, are available in your region. Bitcoin on Lightning is a bit tricky, because there's only a few exchanges that support it and most don't service US customers, however in the coming days I expect to be able to list another Lightning exchange and it'll be one available globally.
You might also be seeing few offers, because recently many of the exchanges faced difficulties with their liquidity providers surrounding the Monero hardfork.
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I have the pleasure of announcing that thanks to eXch.cx OrangeFren.com is organizing a meet-up in Budapest, Hungary 🇭🇺 in two weeks on Saturday the 19th of August

Where? Satoshi Nakamoto statue, Záhony u. 7, 1031 Budapest 🇭🇺

When? From 14:00 on Saturday the 19th of August

Sign ups are below - they are FREE
https://orangefren.com/event/7

Since you're reading this on BitcoinTalk you're probably not new to cryptocurrency nonetheless we always welcome everyone, you don't need to like Bitcoin, you don't need to know anything about cryptocurrency, if you're interested in these topics and wanna hang out that's all you need 🧡

If you make it you can expect some refreshments and free Monero stickers

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Thanks to LocalMonero.co OrangeFren.com is organizing another event, this time in Istanbul, Turkey in about a week on the 2nd of October.

Where? Sarıdemir, Ragıp Gümüşpala Cd. No:29, 34116 Fatih/İstanbul 🇹🇷

When? From 19:00 on Monday the 2nd of October

You can sign up on Meetup.com: https://www.meetup.com/moneroturko-istanbul/
Or on OrangeFren.com (noJS, Tor-friendly): https://orangefren.com/event/8

Thanks to LocalMonero.co attendees will get a free, water-proof 💦, fire-proof🔥, stainless steel wallet to punch or etch their crypto mnemonic into
The LocalMonero.co wallets are also available for purchase globally on: https://monerosupplies.com/product/localmonero-wallet/

If the event goes well it will become a cyclical event happening every few weeks.
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@OrangeFren is there any way you could improve your service to find best deals for exchanging BTC (and other coins) for fiat currencies (cash, etc)?
I am looking for some better alternative for bestchange.com.

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@OrangeFren is there any way you could improve your service to find best deals for exchanging BTC (and other coins) for fiat currencies (cash, etc)?
I am looking for some better alternative for bestchange.com.

Good idea! I'll work on that
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Thanks to FixedFloat.com OrangeFren.com is organizing two more events!

The first one is in Andorra (Nov. 2nd) and the second one in Barcelona, Spain (Nov. 3rd)

Andorra
Where? 20 Carrer de La Vall Barri Antic Hostel, Andorra la Vella AD500 Andorra

When? From 16:00 on Thursday the 2nd of November

Sign up on OrangeFren.com (noJS & Tor-friendly): https://orangefren.com/event/9
Sign up on meetup.com: https://www.meetup.com/cryptocurrency-fixedfloat-com-meet-up/events/296674600/

Barcelona
Where? COMTE D'URGELL 182 LOCAL 3 08036 Barcelona, Spain

When? From 18:00 on Friday the 3rd of November

Sign up on OrangeFren.com (noJS & Tor-friendly): https://orangefren.com/event/10

Thanks to FixedFloat.com attendees will get a free, water-proof 💦, fire-proof🔥, stainless steel wallet to punch or etch their crypto mnemonic into as well as free Halloween candy!🎃

The FixedFloat.com wallets are also available for purchase globally on: https://monerosupplies.com/product/fixedfloat-wallet/
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Thanks to eXch.cx OrangeFren.com is organising an event on Malta in about a month on Friday the 5th of January.

Where? Down the Rabbit Hole, 64 Triq Rue D'Argens, L-Imsida, Malta 🇲🇹

When? From 19:00 on Friday the 5th of January

Sign up on OrangeFren.com (noJS & Tor-friendly): https://orangefren.com/event/11

The venue - Down the Rabbit Hole - accepts cryptocurrency
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Thanks to eXch.cx OrangeFren.com is organising an event on Malta in about a month on Friday the 5th of January.
I see that tickets are free for this event, so I don't see why anyone wouldn't want to come if they are in Malta in January.
That is why I took the liberty and I shared the event with people I know from that region.

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Thanks to eXch.cx OrangeFren.com is organising an event in Lisbon tomorrow on Friday the 9th of February.

Where? The Block, R. Latino Coelho 63, 1st floor, 1050-133 Lisboa 🇵🇹

Notice that the event is on the 1st floor!

When? From 18:30 on Friday the 9th of February

Sign up on OrangeFren.com (noJS & Tor-friendly): https://orangefren.com/event/12

The first 1️⃣0️⃣ people to show up will receive a FREE Cryptosteel Capsule compatible with the 25-word Monero mnemonic. The Capsules have the eXch.cx logo on them

The venue - The Block Lisboa - accepts cryptocurrency
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The first 1️⃣0️⃣ people to show up will receive a FREE Cryptosteel Capsule compatible with the 25-word Monero mnemonic. The Capsules have the eXch.cx logo on them
Very nice!
Next free gift should be some open source hardware wallet. maybe Satochip, Seedsigner, Trezor or something similar.

One question:
What happens if money was frozen by exchange when customer uses it via OrangeFren?
For example, recently I saw this with one guy who used FixedFloat exchange, and you have OrangeFren Guarantee for them.

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One question:
What happens if money was frozen by exchange when customer uses it via OrangeFren?
For example, recently I saw this with one guy who used FixedFloat exchange, and you have OrangeFren Guarantee for them.
The scope of our guarantee depends on the service in question. With FixedFloat we are unable to offer refunds if the coins were frozen due to taint. Nonetheless, in cases like this, if a user reaches out to us, we intervene and try to assist them in getting their money back. In this recent case we did just that and the user got all their funds back.

However, with for instance eXch, our guarantee agreement offers a full refund to a user in the event of freezing due to taint.
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Following the very successful event last week in Lisbon with over 60 attendees, we're back for another meetup.

Thanks to eXch.cx OrangeFren.com is organising an event in Madrid next Friday on the 23rd of February.

Where? Cryptocafé, Calle Bastero 13, 28005 Madrid, Spain 🇪🇸

When? From 18:00 on Friday the 23rd of February

Sign up on OrangeFren.com (noJS & Tor-friendly): https://orangefren.com/event/13

1️⃣0️⃣ lucky attendees will receive a FREE Cryptosteel Capsule compatible with the 25-word Monero mnemonic. The Capsules have the eXch.cx logo on them

The venue - Cryptocafé - accepts cryptocurrency
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The scope of our guarantee depends on the service in question. With FixedFloat we are unable to offer refunds if the coins were frozen due to taint. Nonetheless, in cases like this, if a user reaches out to us, we intervene and try to assist them in getting their money back. In this recent case we did just that and the user got all their funds back.
I am glad to hear that, and someone should update that info in scam accusation board.
It is always worth checking for best exchange rates and to exchange coins with help of Orangefren.
Maybe you should start some type of affiliate program.

However, with for instance eXch, our guarantee agreement offers a full refund to a user in the event of freezing due to taint.
They are good, and we need more exchanges like that.
Is it possible for you to somehow add Bisq and Agoradesk rates?

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I am glad to hear that, and someone should update that info in scam accusation board.
It is always worth checking for best exchange rates and to exchange coins with help of Orangefren.
Maybe you should start some type of affiliate program.

They are good, and we need more exchanges like that.
Is it possible for you to somehow add Bisq and Agoradesk rates?

Thank you! We plan on doing an affiliate program, but it's not a top priority at the moment.

We're currently internally testing Bisq, AgoraDesk and others for fiat <> crypto swaps. We already have AgoraDesk for crypto<>crypto.

As of yesterday WizardSwap also has the OrangeFren Guarantee.
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Thanks to AgoraDesk.com OrangeFren.com is organising an event in Buenos Aires in two weeks on Friday the 15th of March.

Where? Espacio Cultural Bitcoin, Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear 405, C1058 AAC, Buenos Aires 🇦🇷

When? From 18:00 on Friday the 15th of March

Sign up on OrangeFren.com (noJS & Tor-friendly): https://orangefren.com/event/14
Sign up on Meetup.com: https://www.meetup.com/buenos-aires-crypto-meetup-sponsored-by-agoradesk-com/events/299558195/

If you make it you will get free Monero stickers and a free stainless steel LocalMonero mnemonic wallet!

The venue - Espacio Cultural Bitcoin - accepts cryptocurrency
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We're currently internally testing Bisq, AgoraDesk and others for fiat <> crypto swaps. We already have AgoraDesk for crypto<>crypto.
Glad to hear that, I am surprised that nobody made something similar so far.
Another exchange with fiat trading you can consider add is Robosats, and I know they are trading with Lightning Network but it could be interesting option when fees are higher.


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Thanks to AgoraDesk.com OrangeFren.com is organising an event in São Paulo in two weeks on Saturday the 23rd of March.

Where? Jardim Botanico, 996F+73 Vila Água Funda, São Paulo

When? From 9:00 on Saturday the 23rd of March

Sign up on OrangeFren.com (noJS & Tor-friendly): https://orangefren.com/event/15
Sign up on Meetup.com: https://www.meetup.com/sao-paulo-crypto-meetup-sponsored-by-agoradesk-com/events/299709186/

If you make it you will get free Monero stickers and a free stainless steel LocalMonero mnemonic wallet!

The venue - the botanical garden - has an entrance fee. The fee will be refunded to all attendees with either XMR or BTC over LN.
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Is it possible for you to somehow add Bisq and Agoradesk rates?

Today we added fiat <> crypto rates!!

We list rates from Bisq and AgoraDesk

Selling more than $10k?

With the OrangeFren Broker Partner you can sell crypto straight for cash 💸, in person 🤝, around the World 🌎, without KYC  Cool

Try it out on OrangeFren.com 🧡💚
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Today we added fiat <> crypto rates!!
Finally!
I have been looking for something like this for a very long time.
With my testing using different amounts and I am only getting offers from Bisq right now.
Are there any future plans for adding more rates from other providers like PeachBitcoin, Robosats and others?

With the OrangeFren Broker Partner you can sell crypto straight for cash 💸, in person 🤝, around the World 🌎, without KYC  Cool
How can we find more information about OTC Broker and available locations?

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Finally!
I have been looking for something like this for a very long time.
With my testing using different amounts and I am only getting offers from Bisq right now.
Are there any future plans for adding more rates from other providers like PeachBitcoin, Robosats and others?

Yes, we'll add more soon.

How can we find more information about OTC Broker and available locations?

You can contact the broker personally via SimpleX (there's a link on the result page of a search to sell crypto). Then he can answer all your questions.

As for locations:
Albania
Tirana

Austria
Vienna

Belarus
Minsk

Belgium
Brussels

Bosnia and Herzegovina
Sarajevo

Bulgaria
Sofia
Burgas

Croatia
Zagreb

Czechia
Prague

Denmark
Copenhagen

Estonia
Tallinn

Finland
Helsinki

France *
Paris
Nice
Monaco
Cannes
Marseille
Lyon

Germany *
Berlin
Munich
Frankfurt
Hamburg
Düsseldorf
Stuttgart
Cologne
Dortmund

Greece
Athens
Thessaloniki

Hungary
Budapest

Ireland
Dublin

Italy *
Rome
Milan
Naples

Latvia
Riga

Lithuania
Vilnius

Moldova
Chisinau

Monaco
Monaco

Montenegro *
Podgorica
Budva

Netherlands
Amsterdam
Rotterdam

North Macedonia
Skopje

Norway
Oslo

Poland  *
Warsaw

Portugal
Lisbon

Romania
Bucharest

Russia *
Moscow
Saint Petersburg
Yekaterinburg
~25 other cities

Serbia
Belgrade

Slovakia
Bratislava

Slovenia
Ljubljana

Spain *
Madrid
Barcelona
Alicante
Valencia

Sweden
Stockholm

Switzerland
Zürich
Geneva

Ukraine *
Kyiv
Lviv
Kharkiv
~10 other cities

United Kingdom *
London
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"*" == some other cities in that country are possible as well

We'll be doing cities on other continents soon too. If you live on another continent you can ask the broker to see if he's able to provide there already
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Some deserved coverage for our frens from Orangefren in our online publication Smiley


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What does it mean where there is no notification or guarantee from your side? For instance, just for testing purposes, I did a BTC to ETH search, and the second result is for ChangeHero. Your page doesn't show the OrangeFren Guarantee (like with eXch), but there is also no warning that funds may be frozen.

When I go to ChangeHero's website, the first thing I see is this:

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Please note that ChangeHero uses a risk-scoring automated system aimed to spot suspicious activity during operations. In case your transaction is flagged by this system, ChangeHero reserves the right to conduct the KYC procedure and process the transaction in accordance with our AML/KYC policy and our Terms of Use (paragraph 3.6).
https://changehero.io/

The site's TOS also states the following:

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To be able to avail the services, we require you to consent to pass through AML/KYC procedures that may be implemented on you according to our internal AML/KYC policies. During these procedures, ChangeHero reserves the right to request additional information and documents which are intended without limitation to identify our User and to prove the source of the funds.
https://changehero.io/terms-of-use

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You can contact the broker personally via SimpleX (there's a link on the result page of a search to sell crypto). Then he can answer all your questions.
Sure I will.
So I just need to write a message to broker with trade I want to do, right?
That is decent amount of cities being supported with broker, but I guess there will be no real guarantee from OrangeFren (since this is a partner) that users won't be tricked or scammed in some way.

Note for everyone that broker is only accepting >10 000 USD trades.


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What does it mean where there is no notification or guarantee from your side? For instance, just for testing purposes, I did a BTC to ETH search, and the second result is for ChangeHero. Your page doesn't show the OrangeFren Guarantee (like with eXch), but there is also no warning that funds may be frozen.

When I go to ChangeHero's website, the first thing I see is this:

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Please note that ChangeHero uses a risk-scoring automated system aimed to spot suspicious activity during operations. In case your transaction is flagged by this system, ChangeHero reserves the right to conduct the KYC procedure and process the transaction in accordance with our AML/KYC policy and our Terms of Use (paragraph 3.6).
https://changehero.io/

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To be able to avail the services, we require you to consent to pass through AML/KYC procedures that may be implemented on you according to our internal AML/KYC policies. During these procedures, ChangeHero reserves the right to request additional information and documents which are intended without limitation to identify our User and to prove the source of the funds.
https://changehero.io/terms-of-use

The OrangeFren Guarantee works through the exchange providing us with a deposit that we hold onto. Then in the event of a dispute with a specific exchange, we are able to, under previously agreed terms, to refund the user directly using the exchange's deposit. ChangeHero has not decided to to provide us with such a deposit, however they have assured us that they will issue a refund in the event of a refusal of undergoing KYC.
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You can contact the broker personally via SimpleX (there's a link on the result page of a search to sell crypto). Then he can answer all your questions.
Sure I will.
So I just need to write a message to broker with trade I want to do, right?
That is decent amount of cities being supported with broker, but I guess there will be no real guarantee from OrangeFren (since this is a partner) that users won't be tricked or scammed in some way.

Note for everyone that broker is only accepting >10 000 USD trades.


Yes, simply writing to the broker is the way to initiate a trade.

You are correct about the risk. The service is provided by a partner that we have a lot of trust towards and that people we know also trust. We will be implementing some form of a guarantee, just like the existing OrangeFren Guarantee, in the future. But for that to be enforceable we'd need to move all communications to a place that allows us to see it. We need all the facts to do dispute resolution. We're looking into how to make it happen.
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In partnership with eXch we are doing a giveaway on Reddit's r/CryptoCurrency subreddit.

There's a prize of 0.5 Bitcoin for correctly guessing the BTC/USD rate in a few days time. The competition doesn't require any KYC.

You can participate here: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1cd7e6w/exch_bitcoin_posthalving_giveaway_competition/
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In partnership with eXch we are doing a giveaway on Reddit's r/CryptoCurrency subreddit.

There's a prize of 0.5 Bitcoin for correctly guessing the BTC/USD rate in a few days time. The competition doesn't require any KYC.

You can participate here: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1cd7e6w/exch_bitcoin_posthalving_giveaway_competition/

Wow thank you - to both of you eXch and OrangeFren - for such a great giveaway! WTF 0.5 BTC guys, this is a decade of basic salary in many countries. This is a great idea as r/CryptoCurrency is a very active subreddit, and I think a lot of people will enjoy to discover your services and find it useful.
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You are correct about the risk. The service is provided by a partner that we have a lot of trust towards and that people we know also trust. We will be implementing some form of a guarantee, just like the existing OrangeFren Guarantee, in the future. But for that to be enforceable we'd need to move all communications to a place that allows us to see it. We need all the facts to do dispute resolution. We're looking into how to make it happen.
Thank you for explaining, and good to hear you have plans to improve this service.

In partnership with eXch we are doing a giveaway on Reddit's r/CryptoCurrency subreddit.

There's a prize of 0.5 Bitcoin for correctly guessing the BTC/USD rate in a few days time. The competition doesn't require any KYC.
Great reward, but r/CryptoCurrency is known to have very strict rules for posting and commenting anything on their subreddit.
If I may suggest that you create another similar prediction giveaway here in Bitcointalk forum or maybe on X-twitter.

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The OrangeFren Guarantee works through the exchange providing us with a deposit that we hold onto. Then in the event of a dispute with a specific exchange, we are able to, under previously agreed terms, to refund the user directly using the exchange's deposit. ChangeHero has not decided to to provide us with such a deposit, however they have assured us that they will issue a refund in the event of a refusal of undergoing KYC.
Nothing against you or your honesty, but I trust a centralized exchange or swap service to do the right thing as much as I trust any government that the tax revenues they collect will be put to good use. In other words, I don't trust them one bit!

But I have had several positive experiences with eXch, and can only recommend the service to others.


I noticed that your website doesn't have a FAQ or Help section. It might be worth creating one. For instance, I wanted to check which exchanges have an OrangeFren Guarantee, but the information is nowhere to be found on the site. I can complete a search and see it in the results, but there really should be something better.

Thumbs up for the giveaway!

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Great reward, but r/CryptoCurrency is known to have very strict rules for posting and commenting anything on their subreddit.

I think that OP probably benefits from these strict rules to avoid alt-accounts spamming the giveaway no?

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In partnership with eXch we are doing a giveaway on Reddit's r/CryptoCurrency subreddit.

There's a prize of 0.5 Bitcoin for correctly guessing the BTC/USD rate in a few days time. The competition doesn't require any KYC.
Great reward, but r/CryptoCurrency is known to have very strict rules for posting and commenting anything on their subreddit.
If I may suggest that you create another similar prediction giveaway here in Bitcointalk forum or maybe on X-twitter.


We're already doing a Cryptosteel Capsule giveaway together with eXch here on Bitcointalk. We'll be doing a giveaway of MoneroKon tickets soon too, we might do it on Bitcointalk, I'm still not sure

The OrangeFren Guarantee works through the exchange providing us with a deposit that we hold onto. Then in the event of a dispute with a specific exchange, we are able to, under previously agreed terms, to refund the user directly using the exchange's deposit. ChangeHero has not decided to to provide us with such a deposit, however they have assured us that they will issue a refund in the event of a refusal of undergoing KYC.
Nothing against you or your honesty, but I trust a centralized exchange or swap service to do the right thing as much as I trust any government that the tax revenues they collect will be put to good use. In other words, I don't trust them one bit!

But I have had several positive experiences with eXch, and can only recommend the service to others.
I agree and this is precisely why we came up with the OrangeFren Guarantee. eXch was one of our first partners to provide a deposit so I think they understand this natural lack of trust.


I noticed that your website doesn't have a FAQ or Help section. It might be worth creating one. For instance, I wanted to check which exchanges have an OrangeFren Guarantee, but the information is nowhere to be found on the site. I can complete a search and see it in the results, but there really should be something better.

Thumbs up for the giveaway!

Thanks for the feedback. We'll definitely be adding that.

Great reward, but r/CryptoCurrency is known to have very strict rules for posting and commenting anything on their subreddit.

I think that OP probably benefits from these strict rules to avoid alt-accounts spamming the giveaway no?
Yes, we're seeing a lot of comments getting shadowbanned by Reddit. This is perfect for us, because not only is spam removed, but also it's Reddit's liability if they hide a comment for a genuine user, not ours.
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In partnership with eXch we are doing a giveaway on Reddit's r/CryptoCurrency subreddit.

There's a prize of 0.5 Bitcoin for correctly guessing the BTC/USD rate in a few days time. The competition doesn't require any KYC.

You can participate here: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1cd7e6w/exch_bitcoin_posthalving_giveaway_competition/

I was so far from the good rate lol, congrats to the winner and well done for the nice giveaway!




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In partnership with eXch we are doing a giveaway on Reddit's r/CryptoCurrency subreddit.

There's a prize of 0.5 Bitcoin for correctly guessing the BTC/USD rate in a few days time. The competition doesn't require any KYC.

You can participate here: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1cd7e6w/exch_bitcoin_posthalving_giveaway_competition/

I was so far from the good rate lol, congrats to the winner and well done for the nice giveaway!



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The winner of the r/CC giveaway has been selected (/u/yankeeedooodle) and the prize of 0.5 BTC was delivered to him. Thank you to all who participated!
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There's a prize of 0.5 Bitcoin for correctly guessing the BTC/USD rate in a few days time. The competition doesn't require any KYC.
Crazy that I predicted very similar bitcoin price in different competition.  Shocked
Congrats to guy who won this reward Wink

We're already doing a Cryptosteel Capsule giveaway together with eXch here on Bitcointalk. We'll be doing a giveaway of MoneroKon tickets soon too, we might do it on Bitcointalk, I'm still not sure
Thank you for that, I appreciate it.
Both OrangeFren and eXch are doing some amazing things, not just with giveaways, but in general how you are operating and working in this crazy conditions of the brave new world.

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Today we added 3DS-enabled prepaid Visa cards

No KYC 😎, global coverage (incl. EU🇪🇺) in-store and online. They work just about everywhere we tested. You can add them to Google Wallet or Apple Pay. There's a one-time 5% fee when you buy them, but 0% currency conversion fees thereafter. They won't work in ATMs.

I suggest getting one when you travel✈️ or for your kid 👪. For instance I recently traveled to Buenos Aires and a friend I went with was robbed at gunpoint right next to me. But with a prepaid card you can keep your main card in the hotel safe and only loose a few bucks.

Find them in the Sell tab when you select USD 🔍

Try it out on OrangeFren.com 🧡💚

It goes without saying that even though these products do not require KYC you still ought to report the sale of crypto if your local laws require you to do so, as well as pay any applicable capital gains taxes. 🧑‍⚖️
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Today we added 3DS-enabled prepaid Visa cards
Is this the same as buying directly from Stealths website, in terms of fees and everything else?
One suggestion is to think about doing some redesign of OrangeFren website, to make it easier to know this cards actually exist Wink

I suggest getting one when you travel✈️ or for your kid 👪. For instance I recently traveled to Buenos Aires and a friend I went with was robbed at gunpoint right next to me. But with a prepaid card you can keep your main card in the hotel safe and only loose a few bucks.
Sure, but this is virtual card, not physical, so you would probably have to give them your smartphone (with this card) and everything else you have.
Maybe better to also carry some old and empty cards, blank cards are very cheap and they can also be used as DIY open source hardware wallets and encrypted seed storage (with Satochip) Wink

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Today we added 3DS-enabled prepaid Visa cards
Is this the same as buying directly from Stealths website, in terms of fees and everything else?
One suggestion is to think about doing some redesign of OrangeFren website, to make it easier to know this cards actually exist Wink
For now it's the same. In the future we will add more cards and negotiate better terms for our users. As to modifying the website, yes, good point. Added to the todo list.

I suggest getting one when you travel✈️ or for your kid 👪. For instance I recently traveled to Buenos Aires and a friend I went with was robbed at gunpoint right next to me. But with a prepaid card you can keep your main card in the hotel safe and only loose a few bucks.
Sure, but this is virtual card, not physical, so you would probably have to give them your smartphone (with this card) and everything else you have.
Maybe better to also carry some old and empty cards, blank cards are very cheap and they can also be used as DIY open source hardware wallets and encrypted seed storage (with Satochip) Wink
If you're traveling to a dangerous location I would advise you to take an old phone to carry around. You could load up this old phone with such a virtual card. I never heard of Satochip, I'll look into it.
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We were asked by some users to create a way to leave a feedback about OrangeFren.com.

So, today we joined TrustPilot. If you used OrangeFren.com before and would like to leave a review then you can do see here: trustpilot.com/review/orangefren.com Smiley
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For now it's the same. In the future we will add more cards and negotiate better terms for our users. As to modifying the website, yes, good point. Added to the todo list.
I guess no more 3ds-enabled cards after recent update from Stealths partners  Tongue

I never heard of Satochip, I'll look into it.
It's open source hardware wallet, bearer, and seedphrase storage in format of credit card.
Cool thing that you can even use blank sim java cards and load firmware:
https://satochip.io/product/blank-sim-javacard-for-diy-project/
https://satochip.io/product/card-for-diy-project/

So, today we joined TrustPilot. If you used OrangeFren.com before and would like to leave a review then you can do see here: trustpilot.com/review/orangefren.com Smiley
There must be some better alternative for trustpilot.
I saw so many fake reviews for services there, and many scam websites also used trustpilot with bunch of paid reviews.

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For now it's the same. In the future we will add more cards and negotiate better terms for our users. As to modifying the website, yes, good point. Added to the todo list.
I guess no more 3ds-enabled cards after recent update from Stealths partners  Tongue
Indeed... The law changed just as we integrated them. Well, at least we still have non-3DS cards that can be added to Google Pay and Apple Pay and used in-store. As well as the OrangeFren Broker Partner that can deliver physical cash to you in most large European cities.

So, today we joined TrustPilot. If you used OrangeFren.com before and would like to leave a review then you can do see here: trustpilot.com/review/orangefren.com Smiley
There must be some better alternative for trustpilot.
I saw so many fake reviews for services there, and many scam websites also used trustpilot with bunch of paid reviews.
We're working on a solution to this very problem. It'll be public by the end of the week Wink
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Hello frens! We have a lot of news so we'll be breaking this post up into sections.

🧡 OrangeFren Forum
We're excited to announce the launch of the 🧡 OrangeFren Forum 🥳. A new bulletin board style forum for the cypherpunks in Bitcoin and Monero.

Link: forum.orangefren.com

The forum already has threads by:
  • WizardSwap instant exchange
  • Liberation.travel geographical arbitrage travel agency
  • Stealths.net no KYC prepaid card provider
  • kycnot.me OG directory of no KYC exchanges & services
  • Cryptosteel manufacturer of metal mnemonic backup solutions

The last ones even offer a 5% discount on order made by OrangeFren Forum users 🏷️
If you run a service that caters to the cypherpunk community, or are looking for a forum for persistent, long, discussion then join the OrangeFren Forum 😎

🎟️ MoneroKon ticket giveway
Thanks to eXch.cx we'll be giving away 4 MoneroKon tickets for 🆓FREE🆓 

To be added to the giveaway, just leave a comment in the thread on the OrangeFren Forum: https://forum.orangefren.com/showthread.php?tid=10
The winners will be selected on Monday the 13th of May at 4:00 PM UTC

🇨🇭🇮🇹 Lugano meetup sponsored by eXch
Thanks to eXch.cx OrangeFren.com is organising a meet-up in Lugano, Switzerland 🇨🇭, in two weeks on Sunday the 26th of May.

Where? Impact Hub Ticino, Via Antonio Ciseri 3, 6900 Lugano, Switzerland 🇨🇭
When? From 15:00 on Sunday the 26th of May

👉 Sign up here: https://orangefren.com/event/16 👈

🤝 OrangeFren Affiliate Programme
Lastly, we're excited to announce the OrangeFren Affiliate Programme 🤝

The programme works by you providing us with your existing ref links to any of the services we list on the website. Then, when a user visits OrangeFren.com using your link, we'll replace our ref links with yours for all the services that you provided us your link for.

This means, your profit share is 100%! And we never hold custody of your affiliate earnings.

You'll find the link to join the footer of OrangeFren.com
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Here's some good news!
I've signed up and applied for the Monerokon giveaway; it's a great initiative; thanks again to you and eXch for the opportunity!
Unfortunately I'll be far from Lugano at the end of May, I'd have liked to attend the meet-up. Will it be recorded or something for those who missed the party?  Cheesy

Your affiliate system looks cool, I will give it a try even if I have only 2 referrals links for now lol

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Here's some good news!
I've signed up and applied for the Monerokon giveaway; it's a great initiative; thanks again to you and eXch for the opportunity!
Unfortunately I'll be far from Lugano at the end of May, I'd have liked to attend the meet-up. Will it be recorded or something for those who missed the party?  Cheesy

Your affiliate system looks cool, I will give it a try even if I have only 2 referrals links for now lol
Good luck with the giveaway, I hope you'll be able to attend! Unfortunately we don't have any plans to record the meetup, but Monerokon is recorded in its entirety usually.

If you just have the ref links for the most popular services then I wouldn't bother creating ones for the others. Top 2-3 services collect >80% of the traffic and you don't need more than 1 ref link to use the OrangeFren Affiliate Programme
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Good luck with the giveaway, I hope you'll be able to attend! Unfortunately we don't have any plans to record the meetup, but Monerokon is recorded in its entirety usually.

I will be for sure in Monerokon, but my question about recording the meetup was about the one in Lugano that you organize Smiley

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🎟️ MoneroKon ticket giveway
Thanks to eXch.cx we'll be giving away 4 MoneroKon tickets for 🆓FREE🆓 

To be added to the giveaway, just leave a comment in the thread on the OrangeFren Forum: https://forum.orangefren.com/showthread.php?tid=10
The winners will be selected on Monday the 13th of May at 4:00 PM UTC

Small bump, as we have more or less 1 day left to participate to the ticket giveaway!

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Our MoneroKon ticket giveaway has concluded! Thank you to everyone who participated! And thank you to eXch.cx for providing the tickets!

The lucky winners are:
✨freeslave
✨nottheonion
✨janowitz
✨vernska

The ticket vouchers were sent via DMs on the OrangeFren Forum

Giveaway thread: https://forum.orangefren.com/showthread.php?tid=10
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Today we bid our farewell to AgoraDesk 💔

On OrangeFren.com we list 5 alternatives for our users:

👉 Relai - OTC trading desk with no KYC up to 1000 EUR/CHF per day. Bitcoin-only

👉 Bitnik - OTC trading desk with KYC, but no CRS reporting. Support for all major currencies (crypto & fiat)

👉 Stealths - Global 🌍 & US 🇺🇸 prepaid cards

👉 Bisq - (cumbersome) DEX with support for fiat & crypto

👉 OrangeFren Broker Partner - contact info to a trusted broker providing cash for crypto in major cities (excl. 🇺🇸) without KYC

You'll find these options in the Buy & Sell tabs 🔎
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This thread is now translated in French:  OrangeFren.com - comparaison de services sans KYC  Smiley

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On OrangeFren.com we list 5 alternatives for our users:
Are you planning to add HavenoDex exchange offers in future?
This is another alternative recently launched as fork of Bisq exchange, that should in theory have cheaper fees.
I noticed Bisq page on their website that showed market trades is now gone, I hope this is nothing serious but it could be.

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I like the changes you made recently including new forum, and it would be great if you could offer more options for no-kyc cards (with different partners).

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This thread is now translated in French:  OrangeFren.com - comparaison de services sans KYC  Smiley
Merci beaucoup! <3

On OrangeFren.com we list 5 alternatives for our users:
Are you planning to add HavenoDex exchange offers in future?
This is another alternative recently launched as fork of Bisq exchange, that should in theory have cheaper fees.
I noticed Bisq page on their website that showed market trades is now gone, I hope this is nothing serious but it could be.

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I like the changes you made recently including new forum, and it would be great if you could offer more options for no-kyc cards (with different partners).
Sure, once Haveno is mature enough, and there's an API available, we'll be happy to integrate it.

Thanks! We're planning on having more cards soon. Are you more interested in general-purpose prepaid cards or gift cards for specific stores?
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Today we received a free Capsule from our friends in Cryptosteel <3

Thank you Cryptosteel

Pro tip: Although they were designed for Bitcoin's 24 word mnemonics they support Monero's 25 words just fine too!



We never ask for donations, but recently we received an anonymous message requesting we post an address. So we posted an XMR one in the footer of our page right next to the link to our affiliate programme. Much to our surprise we received a lot since.

Thank you! 🧡💚

It's great to see that the Monero community supports its favourite projects. To those who haven't donated, please don't feel obligated to!
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Thanks! We're planning on having more cards soon. Are you more interested in general-purpose prepaid cards or gift cards for specific stores?
I know people who are much more interested in having more non-kyc prepaid cards, both virtual and physical.
There are more than enough websites offering crypto gift cards for shopping only in specific stores.

Today we received a free Capsule from our friends in Cryptosteel <3
It looks so tiny like it can be used with keys on keychain.
Do you know exact dimensions by any chance, I couldn't find it on their website.

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Thanks! We're planning on having more cards soon. Are you more interested in general-purpose prepaid cards or gift cards for specific stores?
I know people who are much more interested in having more non-kyc prepaid cards, both virtual and physical.
There are more than enough websites offering crypto gift cards for shopping only in specific stores.

Today we received a free Capsule from our friends in Cryptosteel <3
It looks so tiny like it can be used with keys on keychain.
Do you know exact dimensions by any chance, I couldn't find it on their website.
Alright I'll try to find more providers for cards

It's 10cm long, a bit long for most keychains
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I know people who are much more interested in having more non-kyc prepaid cards, both virtual and physical.
I am interested. Do you know any non-KYC PHYSICAL cards?
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Alright I'll try to find more providers for cards

It's 10cm long, a bit long for most keychains
Thanks Wink
I am interested. Do you know any non-KYC PHYSICAL cards?
One of the last cards that I know was CoinDebit.io card, but they shut down their business few months ago, and there is one member in forum who is offering nokyc cards but they are not cheap, and I won't post any links here.
Now let's stick to the OrangeFren topic please.
 

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Today we release a tiny new feature for those who like to keep JS disabled.

OrangeFren.com doesn't just work without JS, but now it will also warn you which exchanges require it. 🥰

This feature is rolling out right now to all users with JS disabled.

http://rnwis2whetqcj4oknksnc5l24jbh33nflunifff3xtjjonnoxu3ld6id.onion 🧡🧅
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You can now earn money with our embeddable widget 🤑

We're delighted to announce the OrangeFren Widget

Simply place an iframe on your webiste with src set to http://orangefren.com/widget, if you're part of our affiliate programme then append ?ref=YOUR_CODE 💻

You will earn 100% of the profits generated by searches made with the widget 🙆‍♀️

Try it out on the OrangeFren Forum: https://forum.orangefren.com/ 🥰

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Together with kycnot.me we have written a review of a relatively new instant exchange - Swapter.io  Cool

Our rating: ★★★☆☆

They have great fees, great liquidity, work over Tor, but sadly a policy of shotgun KYC.

You can read the full review on the OrangeFren Forum: https://forum.orangefren.com/showthread.php?tid=21
Or on kycnot.me's blog: https://blog.kycnot.me/p/swapter-review

Try out Swapter.io and share your thoughts on the thread on the forum 🧡
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Need a guaranteed no KYC? 🥸

Now on OrangeFren.com you can toggle to hide services that might ask for KYC 🫡

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You will earn 100% of the profits generated by searches made with the widget 🙆‍♀️
If I understand correctly that means affiliate will earn all profit from trades and OrangeFren gets nothing?

Now on OrangeFren.com you can toggle to hide services that might ask for KYC 🫡
Nice feature, but very short list of exchanges so far Wink
I can't find any offers from Bisq exchange via OrangeFren, not sure if it's removed or they changed something.

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You will earn 100% of the profits generated by searches made with the widget 🙆‍♀️
If I understand correctly that means affiliate will earn all profit from trades and OrangeFren gets nothing?
Yes. Our affiliate programme is non custodial and very privacy-centric. We don't even see the trades made by users brought to OrangeFren.com with another user's ref link.

Now on OrangeFren.com you can toggle to hide services that might ask for KYC 🫡
Nice feature, but very short list of exchanges so far Wink
I can't find any offers from Bisq exchange via OrangeFren, not sure if it's removed or they changed something.
Yeah sadly, there's not too many such services available. Thanks for the report, will look into it!
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