OrangeFren.com - instant, KYC-free, exchange comparison

[OrangeFren]

About 6 months ago I created https://orangefren.com/.
Also available at http://rnwis2whetqcj4oknksnc5l24jbh33nflunifff3xtjjonnoxu3ld6id.onion/.

OrangeFren.com lets you quickly compare the rates among instant, KYC-free, exchanges trading Bitcoin (including on Lightining), Bitcoin Cash, Ethereum, Litecoin, Monero, USDC and USDT.

The comparison takes into account the amount you're willing to trade and (by default) your region.

At this point the site queries about a half a dozen exchanges, none of which require a sign up.

For trades from Bitcoin into Monero the site also shows atomic swaps when their rate is better than that of instant exchanges.

We also partnered up with some of our best exchanges to offer the OrangeFren Guarantee - a security deposit provided to us by the exchanges to compensate our users in cases of disputes with the exchanges.

The specifics vary depending on the exchange, but the most common points include compensation to the user if an exchange runs off with their money, doesn't respond to their messages, lies about the previewed exchange rate or when the user is asked to answer KYC or SoF questions and passes the verification.

You can also use our service through our Telegram bot: https://orangefren.com/bot/telegram. It has the same functionality as OrangeFren.com with the added ability to request price alerts delivered through a DM straight to your inbox.

If you'd like to follow our project we're most active on Reddit as u/OrangeFren.

I look forward to hearing your thoughts and feedback!

[LoyceV]

We also partnered up with some of our best exchanges to offer the OrangeFren Guarantee - a security deposit provided to us by the exchanges to compensate our users in cases of disputes with the exchanges.

Can you share how much they deposited for this?

or when the user is asked to answer KYC or SoF questions and passes the verification.

So it's not KYC-free?
One of the exchanges you're listing is a confirmed selective scammer:

Selective scammer: this exchange claims to be anonymous, then refuses to send funds and asks for KYC when it's convenient for them.

That's gonna be costly to compensate your users.

[OrangeFren]

So it's not KYC-free?

All of the exchanges listed on OrangeFren.com generally don't require KYC verification. However some check if the coins are tainted and then require SoF verification.
This never happened to any of my users and in the case of exchanges that have a reputation of doing so in the past there's a red warning on OrangeFren.com.
It's unfortunate, but sadly unavoidable if the exchanges constantly require liquidity from the huge CEXes.

The OrangeFren Guarantee does not apply to all exchanges listed. Currently it's only for trades on FixedFloat and eXch. Although I have suggested the service to others too, including the one you mention, they have declined.

I will look into the reports regarding the service you mentioned and probably add a red warning for them too.

Can you share how much they deposited for this?

Currently we compensate up to 2k USD per trade with FixedFloat and up to 1k USD per trade with eXch. Note that with the exception of an exit-scam our compensation maxes out at 10% so under normal circumstances that's a proportionate compensation for trades up to 20k and 10k respectively.
Our reserves are naturally larger than the per trade maximum.

[LoyceV]

generally don't require KYC verification

So the "KYC-free" claim is misleading

some check if the coins are tainted

Can you share how they check that? And list the exchanges in [Blacklist] of unreliable, 'taint proclaiming' Bitcoin services / exchanges?
Taint only exists if people believe it does! The notion of "taint" is very bad for Bitcoin. Allow me to quote myself:

I've seen several posts lately from people willing to treat Bitcoin as non-fungible because they believe some coins are "tainted".
I'd say this is a severe threat to Bitcoin, and I wouldn't be surprised if governments use this because they can't stop Bitcoin in any other way. If people believe Bitcoin is "tainted", they won't accept it anymore. "We" should really inform people not to fall for this.
Nobody would reject a dollar bill because it has previously been used in a crime, despite the fact that 85 to 90% contains traces of cocaine. Claiming Bitcoin isn't fungible is just plain stupid.

This never happened to any of my users and in the case of exchanges that have a reputation of doing so in the past there's a red warning on OrangeFren.com.

I didn't see any warning on the selective scammers I mentioned. It's better to avoid them entirely.

our compensation maxes out at 10%

I didn't catch that when you wrote "compensate our users", but after checking the meaning of the word, it turns out "compensate" doesn't mean what I thought it would.

There's a flaw in your Untraceable Bitcoin with Monero: the exchange you use knows exactly which Bitcoin addresses belong to your IP address if you're not using different Tor identities.

Your Disclaim affiliation is genius:

[OrangeFren]

So the "KYC-free" claim is misleading 

Well... we've never observed them being non KYC-free to our users. And if they start doing that and the users go through their verification we'll compensate them for their trouble and loss of privacy straight from the exchange' coffers. It's not flawless, but if we only listed exchanges that will never check if your coins are tainted we'd only be able to list one and I suspect it's only a matter of time, before they too are forced to change their business model.

Can you share how they check that?

Unfortunately no, because there is no objective standard, just like you say it's entirely subjective. Anecdotally I have reason to believe stolen coins are considered tainted, but coins from DNMs are not, but that's just me connecting the dots from the things I hear, please don't rely on this observation.
Aside from the warning users an exchange might take their funds if they appear tainted we also warn users if an exchange is known to send tainted coins which then cause inconvenience when the user tries to spend them.

The notion of "taint" is very bad for Bitcoin.

I fully agree with you. However so long as Bitcoin's blockchain is transparent it is unavoidable. The only (admittedly partial) solution which comes to mind is the use of Bitcoin's Lightning Network of which I am a strong supported and actually before OrangeFren.com I spent my days creating tools for lnd professionally. For that reason OrangeFren.com does separate comparisons and collects separate rates from Lighting exchanges.

There's a flaw in your Untraceable Bitcoin with Monero

You're right! Thanks for letting me know! I'll go over the post and fix the error.

Your Disclaim affiliation is genius

Thank you! The website actually started off with that idea, however nobody ever used it. Recently I was actually planning on removing that feature entirely.

[OrangeFren]

Having too many online account could be annoying and has some privacy/security concern if the user has weak privacy/security practice.

That's an interesting point that I haven't considered. My rationale was it's best for new users to already have accounts on P2P exchanges to avoid the temptation of going with one of the huge CEXes which are atrocious from a privacy standpoint.

IMO there should be clarification if the exchange ask for KYC/SoF.

I considered adding that, however it's hard to get a good source for this. I've seen exchanges break their own ToS with respect to requiring verification or allowing the user to get their funds back if they refuse to answer questions.

I can ask the exchanges outright, but if they lie or change their mind in the future like some did with their ToS then I'd be giving the user a false sense of security.

[dkbit98]

I look forward to hearing your thoughts and feedback

Can you list all the services and exchanges you are using to get best offers?
I tried finding offers for several trading pairs and I only found two or three for Bitcoin Lightning, and most of the other coins except ethereum.
I never used Exolix exchange and I wouldn't trust ChanegNow very much that they won't ask for kyc or freeze my coins.

[OrangeFren]

Can you list all the services and exchanges you are using to get best offers?

As I write this OrangeFren.com lists offers from: FixedFloat, SideShift, Exolix, ChangeNow, MajesticBank, StealthEx, eXch and (for BTC->XMR) atomic swaps.

I tried finding offers for several trading pairs and I only found two or three for Bitcoin Lightning, and most of the other coins except ethereum.

The website only shows results which fit the amount you want to trade and, by default, are available in your region. Bitcoin on Lightning is a bit tricky, because there's only a few exchanges that support it and most don't service US customers, however in the coming days I expect to be able to list another Lightning exchange and it'll be one available globally.
You might also be seeing few offers, because recently many of the exchanges faced difficulties with their liquidity providers surrounding the Monero hardfork.

[OrangeFren]

I have the pleasure of announcing that thanks to eXch.cx OrangeFren.com is organizing a meet-up in Budapest, Hungary 🇭🇺 in two weeks on Saturday the 19th of August

Where? Satoshi Nakamoto statue, Záhony u. 7, 1031 Budapest 🇭🇺

When? From 14:00 on Saturday the 19th of August

Sign ups are below - they are FREE
https://orangefren.com/event/7

Since you're reading this on BitcoinTalk you're probably not new to cryptocurrency nonetheless we always welcome everyone, you don't need to like Bitcoin, you don't need to know anything about cryptocurrency, if you're interested in these topics and wanna hang out that's all you need 🧡

If you make it you can expect some refreshments and free Monero stickers

[OrangeFren]

Thanks to LocalMonero.co OrangeFren.com is organizing another event, this time in Istanbul, Turkey in about a week on the 2nd of October.

Where? Sarıdemir, Ragıp Gümüşpala Cd. No:29, 34116 Fatih/İstanbul 🇹🇷

When? From 19:00 on Monday the 2nd of October

You can sign up on Meetup.com: https://www.meetup.com/moneroturko-istanbul/
Or on OrangeFren.com (noJS, Tor-friendly): https://orangefren.com/event/8

Thanks to LocalMonero.co attendees will get a free, water-proof 💦, fire-proof🔥, stainless steel wallet to punch or etch their crypto mnemonic into
The LocalMonero.co wallets are also available for purchase globally on: https://monerosupplies.com/product/localmonero-wallet/

If the event goes well it will become a cyclical event happening every few weeks.

[dkbit98]

@OrangeFren is there any way you could improve your service to find best deals for exchanging BTC (and other coins) for fiat currencies (cash, etc)?
I am looking for some better alternative for bestchange.com.

[OrangeFren]

@OrangeFren is there any way you could improve your service to find best deals for exchanging BTC (and other coins) for fiat currencies (cash, etc)?
I am looking for some better alternative for bestchange.com.

Good idea! I'll work on that

[OrangeFren]

Thanks to FixedFloat.com OrangeFren.com is organizing two more events!

The first one is in Andorra (Nov. 2nd) and the second one in Barcelona, Spain (Nov. 3rd)

Andorra
Where? 20 Carrer de La Vall Barri Antic Hostel, Andorra la Vella AD500 Andorra

When? From 16:00 on Thursday the 2nd of November

Sign up on OrangeFren.com (noJS & Tor-friendly): https://orangefren.com/event/9
Sign up on meetup.com: https://www.meetup.com/cryptocurrency-fixedfloat-com-meet-up/events/296674600/

Barcelona
Where? COMTE D'URGELL 182 LOCAL 3 08036 Barcelona, Spain

When? From 18:00 on Friday the 3rd of November

Sign up on OrangeFren.com (noJS & Tor-friendly): https://orangefren.com/event/10

Thanks to FixedFloat.com attendees will get a free, water-proof 💦, fire-proof🔥, stainless steel wallet to punch or etch their crypto mnemonic into as well as free Halloween candy!🎃

The FixedFloat.com wallets are also available for purchase globally on: https://monerosupplies.com/product/fixedfloat-wallet/

[OrangeFren]

Thanks to eXch.cx OrangeFren.com is organising an event on Malta in about a month on Friday the 5th of January.

Where? Down the Rabbit Hole, 64 Triq Rue D'Argens, L-Imsida, Malta 🇲🇹

When? From 19:00 on Friday the 5th of January

Sign up on OrangeFren.com (noJS & Tor-friendly): https://orangefren.com/event/11

The venue - Down the Rabbit Hole - accepts cryptocurrency

[dkbit98]

Thanks to eXch.cx OrangeFren.com is organising an event on Malta in about a month on Friday the 5th of January.

I see that tickets are free for this event, so I don't see why anyone wouldn't want to come if they are in Malta in January.
That is why I took the liberty and I shared the event with people I know from that region.

[OrangeFren]

Thanks to eXch.cx OrangeFren.com is organising an event in Lisbon tomorrow on Friday the 9th of February.

Where? The Block, R. Latino Coelho 63, 1st floor, 1050-133 Lisboa 🇵🇹

Notice that the event is on the 1st floor!

When? From 18:30 on Friday the 9th of February

Sign up on OrangeFren.com (noJS & Tor-friendly): https://orangefren.com/event/12

The first 1️⃣0️⃣ people to show up will receive a FREE Cryptosteel Capsule compatible with the 25-word Monero mnemonic. The Capsules have the eXch.cx logo on them

The venue - The Block Lisboa - accepts cryptocurrency

[dkbit98]

The first 1️⃣0️⃣ people to show up will receive a FREE Cryptosteel Capsule compatible with the 25-word Monero mnemonic. The Capsules have the eXch.cx logo on them

Very nice!
Next free gift should be some open source hardware wallet. maybe Satochip, Seedsigner, Trezor or something similar.

One question:
What happens if money was frozen by exchange when customer uses it via OrangeFren?
For example, recently I saw this with one guy who used FixedFloat exchange, and you have OrangeFren Guarantee for them.

[OrangeFren]

One question:
What happens if money was frozen by exchange when customer uses it via OrangeFren?
For example, recently I saw this with one guy who used FixedFloat exchange, and you have OrangeFren Guarantee for them.

The scope of our guarantee depends on the service in question. With FixedFloat we are unable to offer refunds if the coins were frozen due to taint. Nonetheless, in cases like this, if a user reaches out to us, we intervene and try to assist them in getting their money back. In this recent case we did just that and the user got all their funds back.

However, with for instance eXch, our guarantee agreement offers a full refund to a user in the event of freezing due to taint.

[OrangeFren]

Following the very successful event last week in Lisbon with over 60 attendees, we're back for another meetup.

Thanks to eXch.cx OrangeFren.com is organising an event in Madrid next Friday on the 23rd of February.

Where? Cryptocafé, Calle Bastero 13, 28005 Madrid, Spain 🇪🇸

When? From 18:00 on Friday the 23rd of February

Sign up on OrangeFren.com (noJS & Tor-friendly): https://orangefren.com/event/13

1️⃣0️⃣ lucky attendees will receive a FREE Cryptosteel Capsule compatible with the 25-word Monero mnemonic. The Capsules have the eXch.cx logo on them

The venue - Cryptocafé - accepts cryptocurrency

[dkbit98]

The scope of our guarantee depends on the service in question. With FixedFloat we are unable to offer refunds if the coins were frozen due to taint. Nonetheless, in cases like this, if a user reaches out to us, we intervene and try to assist them in getting their money back. In this recent case we did just that and the user got all their funds back.

I am glad to hear that, and someone should update that info in scam accusation board.
It is always worth checking for best exchange rates and to exchange coins with help of Orangefren.
Maybe you should start some type of affiliate program.

However, with for instance eXch, our guarantee agreement offers a full refund to a user in the event of freezing due to taint.

They are good, and we need more exchanges like that.
Is it possible for you to somehow add Bisq and Agoradesk rates?