A Trump audit should prohibit him from running in 2024.

[StanCrypt]

The unexpected FBI raid on Donald Trump's Florida residence on Monday signaled a rapid uptick in the number of inquiries against the former president, and it raised new legal issues that, in theory, may change the outcome of the presidential election in the United States.
That's because some have said that Mr. Trump could be constitutionally barred from seeking the presidency again if the investigation, which is apparently related to his handling of sensitive presidential records, results in a conviction.
So let's examine this more closely. How far have the investigations into Mr. Trump come along, according to the FBI search, and might he truly be dissuaded from running in 2024?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62487602

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[Gyfts]

I'm torn on whether democrats actually want Trump to run in 2024 or not. If they want to bar him from running over a document dispute, in which they waited 18 months to pursue, then I question which one of the remainders in the field they would rather have as their opponent. Ron DeSantis? Ted Cruz? The republican nominee could be any sentient human and walk away in a landslide. Trump is the only person democrats could beat.

I'm more inclined to believe the radicals in the Biden Department of Justice want to energize Trump and his base to win the nomination in 2024. This way democrats have a beatable candidate in the general. So they'll go as far to conduct an FBI raid, but won't actually prosecute him and bar him from running.

[BADecker]

Trump popularity should allow him to be President almost without running. The only reason why the Dems are advertising for him is, they are lost, and they know it. They are grasping at any straw they can think of, to the point of destroying themselves if only to take him down.

The interesting thing is, DeSantis would be way more damaging to the Dems. If Trump failed, DeSantis is what we would get.

[PrimeNumber7]

That's because some have said that Mr. Trump could be constitutionally barred from seeking the presidency again if the investigation, which is apparently related to his handling of sensitive presidential records, results in a conviction.

The qualifications for someone to be eligible to serve as President of the US are:
*Be a natural-born citizen of the US
*be 35 years old
*be a resident of the US for 14 years

It is not a requirement to not have a politically motivated prosecution by the party in power against the leader of the opposition party.

It is not possible for Congress to impose additional qualifications above the above-cited qualifications. This is something that was decided in US Term Limits, Inc v Thornton. The Supreme Court ruled that the requirements to hold office stated in the Consitution are the only requirements to hold said office. The case in question was regarding the ability of state legislatures to impose additional qualifications to become a Congressman, but the principle applies to the office of the president as well.

I'm torn on whether democrats actually want Trump to run in 2024 or not.

I think they want him to be part of the political conversation. Trump is someone to motivates his opponents to vote. Democrats have little more than abstract failure to run on, but if they can make the election about Trump, their turnout will be greater than it otherwise would be.

It is hard to say if they actually want him to run again. There are a lot of people who believe the election was held in a way that was unfair to Trump in 2020. There were also many people who voted for Biden because they believed he would be moderate, and a unifier, both of which turned out to be false. Early polling generally shows Trump with a modest lead against both Biden and Harris in a 2024 matchup.

[OgNasty]

The unexpected FBI raid on Donald Trump's Florida residence on Monday signaled a rapid uptick in the number of inquiries against the former president, and it raised new legal issues that, in theory, may change the outcome of the presidential election in the United States.
That's because some have said that Mr. Trump could be constitutionally barred from seeking the presidency again if the investigation, which is apparently related to his handling of sensitive presidential records, results in a conviction.
So let's examine this more closely. How far have the investigations into Mr. Trump come along, according to the FBI search, and might he truly be dissuaded from running in 2024?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62487602

I don't think the FBI accusations carry as much weight as you think they do.  After this disgrace of a witch hunt against a former US president, I would say the FBI is a couple of years away from being completely gutted.  Sure, they're going to do everything they can to stop that.  Which means more witch hunts and shady behavior.  One thing I do know, the credibility of the FBI has to be at an all time low.  As we move into a new future where funds are surveyed on blockchains and the digital world becomes more relevant, I think organizations like the FBI and the IRS will find themselves dinosaurs clutching to influence. 

[BADecker]

Notice how the focus is on the FBI. I wonder what the CIA and the NSA are doing. Do you think that the major FBI people are securing a future position in some other clandestine organization for when the time that the people tear the FBI down? Maybe they are doing like the KGB did when the Soviet Union crashed... moving into formal government control. Maybe they are there already.

[TwitchySeal]

So do you guys think Trump didn't steal boxes of National Security related documents on his way out of the White House?

Or do you think a US President on his way out of office should be able to take government records that are classified at the highest levels to keep for himself, in his basement?

Or do you just defend Trump at all costs no matter what?

I don't think any of you are idiots (notice I didn't include BADecker), its just baffling to me how irrational you all act when it comes to anything related to liberals or Trump.  It's like trying to talk to a die hard Yankees fan in October while he's drunk
 about the Red Sox.

[BADecker]

So do you guys think Trump didn't steal boxes of National Security related documents on his way out of the White House?

Or do you think a US President on his way out of office should be able to take government records that are classified at the highest levels to keep for himself, in his basement?

Or do you just defend Trump at all costs no matter what?

I don't think any of you are idiots (notice I didn't include BADecker), its just baffling to me how irrational you all act when it comes to anything related to liberals or Trump. 

Somehow you think that a President suddenly acts illegally, when all the while he is surrounded by some of the best lawyers and others who know the law. I would like to make excuses for you. Trump doesn't need any.

The excuses for you are that you didn't look at the legality point I mentioned above, and that Trump would have declassified any docs that needed it. This is only standard, for his own protection.

So, maybe Biden reclassified them. But all we need is proof that Trump declassified them... or not. Since this proof has not been presented one way or the other, and a person is innocent until proven guilty, so far Trump is innocent.

Or do you have the proof? Like the FBI and the Dems, all there seems to be so far is talk that he is guilty. So far, at best, there might be only unproven circumstantial evidence, but all the talk is hearsay.

However, the Biden regime and the FBI have done things that are illegal, no matter what the outcome for Trump may be.

[TwitchySeal]

Somehow you think that a President suddenly acts illegally, when all the while he is surrounded by some of the best lawyers and others who know the law. I would like to make excuses for you. Trump doesn't need any.

Excellent point.  He has the best lawyers and others who know the law.  Why hadn't I thought of that?

The excuses for you are that you didn't look at the legality point I mentioned above, and that Trump would have declassified any docs that needed it. This is only standard, for his own protection.

So, maybe Biden reclassified them. But all we need is proof that Trump declassified them... or not. Since this proof has not been presented one way or the other, and a person is innocent until proven guilty, so far Trump is innocent.

Or do you have the proof? Like the FBI and the Dems, all there seems to be so far is talk that he is guilty. So far, at best, there might be only unproven circumstantial evidence, but all the talk is hearsay.

However, the Biden regime and the FBI have done things that are illegal, no matter what the outcome for Trump may be.

Literally doesn't matter if he declassified any of it.  Read the espionage act.

[BADecker]

Somehow you think that a President suddenly acts illegally, when all the while he is surrounded by some of the best lawyers and others who know the law. I would like to make excuses for you. Trump doesn't need any.

Excellent point.  He has the best lawyers and others who know the law.  Why hadn't I thought of that?

The excuses for you are that you didn't look at the legality point I mentioned above, and that Trump would have declassified any docs that needed it. This is only standard, for his own protection.

So, maybe Biden reclassified them. But all we need is proof that Trump declassified them... or not. Since this proof has not been presented one way or the other, and a person is innocent until proven guilty, so far Trump is innocent.

Or do you have the proof? Like the FBI and the Dems, all there seems to be so far is talk that he is guilty. So far, at best, there might be only unproven circumstantial evidence, but all the talk is hearsay.

However, the Biden regime and the FBI have done things that are illegal, no matter what the outcome for Trump may be.

Literally doesn't matter if he declassified any of it.  Read the espionage act.

Anybody can have an opinion about guilt in any case. Since we probably will never know the complete details of the case if it goes to trial, any branding of Trump other than innocent until proven guilty is hearsay. However, anybody who pushes the hearsay hard enough, is setting himself up for a slander suit.

[OgNasty]

So do you guys think Trump didn't steal boxes of National Security related documents on his way out of the White House?

I don't think Trump could lift boxes of National Security related documents, let alone sneak them to his house from the White House.  I think it's possible that aides were bribed into moving some boxes they shouldn't have or that an administrative error resulted in boxes being moved to the wrong place.  Highly doubtful a billionaire who was just President of the United States was trying to steal boxes to sell. 

You think he was trying to build a clubhouse or something?

Have you ever seen the movie Friday?  Craig wasn't stealing boxes either, but they "had him on camera" supposedly.  Sometimes you just have to use common sense.  Trump isn't trying to sell out our national secrets.  That's just plain dumb.

[Mr.right85]

When it comes to how national secretes where handled, its on a whole different level as per the level of urgency and importance. One thing that has been made clear by the various hunts and the notion of prohibiting former president Trump from having a re-run at the elections for the position of the presidency is that, its already concluded that he could win. That would mean a continuation of what he didn't end in his previous tenor and that definitely won't be in the best interest of the people of America.
As it is, there haven't been some vital proofs on the said boxes and until then, it remains an accusation but I feel, the people of America should be democratic in handling the issue and have a candidate for the people to choose.

[sirazimuth]

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So do you guys think Trump didn't steal boxes of National Security related documents on his way out of the White House?
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They do, apparently.. If Biden did something like that, instead of calling for the FBI to be disbanded, they'd be calling for The FBI to raid the Whitehouse and arrest him, because democrats EVIL... republicans GOOD.

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Or do you just defend Trump at all costs no matter what?
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The ignorant cult of Trump will defend that crook no matter what, like Trump said himself....

https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/23/politics/donald-trump-shoot-somebody-support

...
I don't think any of you are idiots (notice I didn't include BADecker),....


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Hey!  Now don't be disparaging my buddy BADecker. He  cant help it, he was brainwashed as a child that evolution is a hoax and the invisible sky fairy is...oh wait,
not gonna get into that now ..there's billions of other farcical threads that cover that...

..... its just baffling to me how irrational you all act when it comes to anything related to liberals or Trump.  It's like trying to talk to a die hard Yankees fan in October while he's drunk
 about the Red Sox.

.....

Yeah but at least a die hard Yankees fan knows baseball and doesn't have the IQ of a common walnut.
Ever watched those interviews of Trump cultists at those retarded rallies he holds?

[PrimeNumber7]

So do you guys think Trump didn't steal boxes of National Security related documents on his way out of the White House?

Or do you think a US President on his way out of office should be able to take government records that are classified at the highest levels to keep for himself, in his basement?

Both assertations are ridiculous.

The President has the unilateral authority to determine which records are those related to his administration, and these decisions are not subject to court oversight. Before you respond with some hyperbole, I would preemptively respond that this is the law, as ruled by appelette courts. If you don't like this, you should petition Congress to change the law.

Similarly, the President has the unilateral authority to decide that any document is not classified. As the Commander and Chief, the President has the final authority to declassify any arbitrary document. Further, there are many documents marked at various classification levels that are in the public domain, including newspaper articles by major news outlets.

[TwitchySeal]

The President has the unilateral authority to determine which records are those related to his administration, and these decisions are not subject to court oversight. Before you respond with some hyperbole, I would preemptively respond that this is the law, as ruled by appelette courts. If you don't like this, you should petition Congress to change the law.

Irrelevant.  Nobody is arguing about whether or not the documents are related to his administration.  Why even bring that up?  You don't think that being related to his administration equates to he gets to take them home with him after losing an election, do you?

Similarly, the President has the unilateral authority to decide that any document is not classified. As the Commander and Chief, the President has the final authority to declassify any arbitrary document. Further, there are many documents marked at various classification levels that are in the public domain, including newspaper articles by major news outlets.

False and also irrelevant.

False because The Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954 make anything related to the production of Nuclear Weapons inherently classified, which means they can't be declassified, even by Donald J Trump.

But let's not derail this conversation with that because the entire argument is irrelevant, as I've already explained to you in another thread (and accurately predicted you would keep coming back to this silly point):

Trump had the ultimate authority to declassify the documents in question. It would be stupid for Trump to not declassify a document he intended to bring to his home -- it is trivial for him to declassify a document.

Yes he did have that authority.  But he did not have the authority to steal them and keep them in his basement after he left office.  Also, none of the laws cited in the search warrant, like the espionage act for example, are dependent on whether or not the documents were classified.

Of course, Trump will continue to pretend like this whole case is about whether or not he declassified the documents he stole and kept in his basement, and then you will continue to repeat what he says, and I will continue to remind you that by repeating Trumps nonsense you're arguing that a President has the power to take any document he wants from any of the intelligence agencies and keep it for himself as a civilian - which is obviously a really freaking stupid argument.

[PrimeNumber7]

The President has the unilateral authority to determine which records are those related to his administration, and these decisions are not subject to court oversight. Before you respond with some hyperbole, I would preemptively respond that this is the law, as ruled by appelette courts. If you don't like this, you should petition Congress to change the law.

Irrelevant.  Nobody is arguing about whether or not the documents are related to his administration.  Why even bring that up?  You don't think that being related to his administration equates to he gets to take them home with him after losing an election, do you?

The documents in question are related to his administration. This is a document and dispute between the former Trump administration and the national archives. The national archives says it believes that Trump took some documents that are part of his administration and should be in the national archives.

Similarly, the President has the unilateral authority to decide that any document is not classified. As the Commander and Chief, the President has the final authority to declassify any arbitrary document. Further, there are many documents marked at various classification levels that are in the public domain, including newspaper articles by major news outlets.

False and also irrelevant.

False because The Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954 make anything related to the production of Nuclear Weapons inherently classified, which means they can't be declassified, even by Donald J Trump.

Lets be honest about the documents that are related to "nuclear" secrets. They are almost certain to be communications between him and NK leader Kim Jung Un. There are no other documents that Trump has any reason to want to keep that are related to "nuclear" secrets. There is a reason that the DOJ wants to keep the affidavit that the search warrant was issued based on sealed -- it is because if unsealed, it would show that none of the documents really would cause any threat to national security if disclosed to the public, and that the search was just a fishing expedition.

[Desmong]

Instill don't understand why some persons are so much against Trump contesting in the coming election. Trump had done nothing wrong and we should not border his life if he thinks he want to contest for the upcoming presidential election. I think we need him to fix some of the things that are happening now. I am not against anyone contesting but all I think we want is the result we get from the president.

[TwitchySeal]

The President has the unilateral authority to determine which records are those related to his administration, and these decisions are not subject to court oversight. Before you respond with some hyperbole, I would preemptively respond that this is the law, as ruled by appelette courts. If you don't like this, you should petition Congress to change the law.

Irrelevant.  Nobody is arguing about whether or not the documents are related to his administration.  Why even bring that up?  You don't think that being related to his administration equates to he gets to take them home with him after losing an election, do you?

The documents in question are related to his administration. This is a document and dispute between the former Trump administration and the national archives. The national archives says it believes that Trump took some documents that are part of his administration and should be in the national archives.

We don't know what the documents in question are related to.  I guess anything he touched while in office could arguably be considered related to his administration.  I'm not sure I'm following your point though, I mean obviously you're trying to say that you think it's ok and legal for Trump to have boxes of documents marked classified/top secret/csi in his basement almost 2 years after he left office....are you really convinced that the President has and should have that authority?  To take government property with him on the way out of office?  Including documents that could contain national secrets?  Do you see how stupid that would be for the country if it were true?

[BADecker]

Literally doesn't matter if he declassified any of it.  Read the espionage act.

The Espionage Act applies to everybody. Trump, upon having the election stolen from him, declassified and took the documents to find the names of the deep state people who were engaged in espionage. He couldn't search while in office. So, he took them.

Sure, it was risky. And none of us know what he found. But Trump is very confident that he found enough to destroy the workings of the deep state.

Trump has the info. If the Dems use tactics like a crime of espionage against him, he will use it right back against them, along with all kinds of other things they are doing illegally and unconscionably.

[TwitchySeal]

Literally doesn't matter if he declassified any of it.  Read the espionage act.

The Espionage Act applies to everybody. Trump, upon having the election stolen from him, declassified and took the documents to find the names of the deep state people who were engaged in espionage. He couldn't search while in office. So, he took them.

Sure, it was risky. And none of us know what he found. But Trump is very confident that he found enough to destroy the workings of the deep state.

Trump has the info. If the Dems use tactics like a crime of espionage against him, he will use it right back against them, along with all kinds of other things they are doing illegally and unconscionably.

According to the law, whether or not the documents are classified doesn't matter, it only matters if they contain  "information relating to the national defense".  

Declassifying a document relating to national defense doesn't make it not related to national defense anymore.

And most likely he's full of shit when he says they were declassified, at least according to people who would know.

"Nothing approaching an order that foolish was ever given. And I can't imagine anyone that worked at the White House after me that would have simply shrugged their shoulders and allowed that order to go forward without dying in the ditch trying to stop it"
John Kelly, chief of staff, Sec of Homeland Security, 3 star general

"a standing order to declassify documents taken to Mar-a-Lago did not exist"
"You don't just sort of get to say off the top of your head, 'oh, everything that I see today'"
Mick Mulvaney, chief of staff

"I was never briefed on any such order, procedure, policy when I came in.  If he were to say something like that, you would have to memorialize that, so that people would know it existed."
"When somebody begins to concoct lies like this, it shows a real level of desperation,"
John Bolton, chief of staff

[BADecker]

A Trump audit will prove him innocent of wrongdoing, which will make him all he more popular.

[yhiaali3]

Despite all these investigations and suspicions about Trump, I do not find anything to prevent him from running for a second presidential term. Trump does not care much about what is going on around him and will play on a winning card, in my opinion, which is (the economy). The American economy is deteriorating, there is an economic recession and the inflation rate is rising, so Trump would play his card well to sway American voters. Trump is a successful businessman (though I'm not a fan of him) who knows how to make money in a way no one would think.

[OgNasty]

This is a dangerous game to be playing.  You think when Biden leaves the white house he'll have any clue what boxes of what information are going where?  The idea he would have anything to do with these types of decisions is hilarious to me.  I can't wait to hear all the liberals talking about how senile Biden is and how he was too weak and incompetent to possibly steal boxes of information from the White House when the time comes.  Democrats are hell bent on turning everything in this country into slippery slopes thinking they won't slide down them.

[TwitchySeal]

This is a dangerous game to be playing.  You think when Biden leaves the white house he'll have any clue what boxes of what information are going where?  The idea he would have anything to do with these types of decisions is hilarious to me.  I can't wait to hear all the liberals talking about how senile Biden is and how he was too weak and incompetent to possibly steal boxes of information from the White House when the time comes.  Democrats are hell bent on turning everything in this country into slippery slopes thinking they won't slide down them.

Wait are you saying former presidents shouldn't get in trouble for having boxes of classified documents that belong to the federal government in their basement (and closet apparently) years after leaving office because it might be an accident?

Don't you think the more slippery slope would be not holding someone responsible for the classified documents found in their basement?

If Trump wins in 2024 and then a bunch of classified documents are found in Bidens basement in 2026 ....your hair would be on fire.  And I would agree with you, he should be held responsible.

[amishmanish]

I think this might not be a new trend. I believe US need an assertive president. Biden is too mek. No longer does world look towards US President for solutions of global problems. But yes US did played important role in creating the world as we know today. They ushered era of industrial development. They allowed distribution of wealth to poor countries, which Europe never did. They faught some humanitarian wars, some not so humanitarian ones also. But yes they were better then europeans , when they were at peak(i.e colonialism) .i think we still need a strong US President.

[Zlantann]

The unexpected FBI raid on Donald Trump's Florida residence on Monday signaled a rapid uptick in the number of inquiries against the former president, and it raised new legal issues that, in theory, may change the outcome of the presidential election in the United States.
That's because some have said that Mr. Trump could be constitutionally barred from seeking the presidency again if the investigation, which is apparently related to his handling of sensitive presidential records, results in a conviction.
So let's examine this more closely. How far have the investigations into Mr. Trump come along, according to the FBI search, and might he truly be dissuaded from running in 2024?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62487602

All these investigations have not come up with a concrete proof the Donald Trump broke any law. For now they are baseless speculations and accusations until they are proved correct. Donald Trump has been going through massive court cases in different states in the US ranging from accusations of falsely raising or lowering his assets to get loans or tax cut to trying to influence vote results.

He is innocent until it is proved otherwise. The audit would not prohibit him from running for next presidential elections, but the outcome of the audit. If he is found guilty, the constitution or standard laws would stipulate punishment of sanctions.

[Eden Loomis]

It's hard now for a confirmation. I cannot reject the advantages that Trump brought for the US. For me, anything has 2 sides

[paxmao]

So do you guys think Trump didn't steal boxes of National Security related documents on his way out of the White House?

Or do you think a US President on his way out of office should be able to take government records that are classified at the highest levels to keep for himself, in his basement?

Or do you just defend Trump at all costs no matter what?

I don't think any of you are idiots (notice I didn't include BADecker), its just baffling to me how irrational you all act when it comes to anything related to liberals or Trump. 

Somehow you think that a President suddenly acts illegally, when all the while he is surrounded by some of the best lawyers and others who know the law. ..

And that would be true for someone who has a certain degree of humbleness and care for the views of other that are many times more knowledgeable than him. Having people that know and provide you with advice does not work when you always thing that you are the smartest guy in the room and that the rules of the universe do not apply to you or when you think you can get away with breaking the law - which will likely be the case.

[Wakate]

It's hard now for a confirmation. I cannot reject the advantages that Trump brought for the US. For me, anything has 2 sides

You are very correct because in respective of what people may think about that great man, he brought so many benefits to the US using his business mindset and experience. He is a good president that really brought money to the US economy making it more superb with much benefits to the citizens apart from sanctions.

 Getting to the end of his tenure, things started looking strange and then more people now think he had lost his mindset in making America great again. I like Trump and I think coming back to the white House would never be that easy for him which is very obvious.

[TwitchySeal]

It appears signature spammers are defaulting to team Trumptard.  Interesting....

[BADecker]

The wheels turn slowly, but they turn. Trump's vindication in everything is on the way.


GARLAND COMMITS ANOTHER CRIMINAL ACT AS HE THREATENS THE DOJ TO NOT TALK TO CONGRESS!


ANOTHER CRIMINAL ACT: GARLAND THREATENS DOJ EMPLOYEES IF THEY TALK TO CONGRESS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1k4QG2Bm7I&feature=emb_imp_woyt

[OgNasty]

It appears signature spammers are defaulting to team Trumptard.  Interesting....

While those who defend pedophiles, sympathize with wannabe extortionists, and can't even make long enough posts to get paid for their time default to team sleepy Joe.  You'd have to be a completely brainwashed liberal suffering from Trump derangement syndrome to not see how terrible Biden is doing...  Food shortages in America?  C'mon...  If the democratic party isn't intentionally trying to run this country off a cliff, then their incompetence is shocking to me.

Imagine being so corrupt you want to just not let candidates run by starting bullshit audits...  These people are so crooked...

[TwitchySeal]

It appears signature spammers are defaulting to team Trumptard.  Interesting....

While those who defend pedophiles, sympathize with wannabe extortionists, and can't even make long enough posts to get paid for their time default to team sleepy Joe.  You'd have to be a completely brainwashed liberal suffering from Trump derangement syndrome to not see how terrible Biden is doing...  Food shortages in America?  C'mon...  If the democratic party isn't intentionally trying to run this country off a cliff, then their incompetence is shocking to me.

Imagine being so corrupt you want to just not let candidates run by starting bullshit audits...  These people are so crooked...

Wait you think democrats don't want Trump to run?  And Garland is letting Biden call the shots?  lol

Trump is the only reason Democrats have any hope for the midterms.  Any democrat vs Trump in 2024 is a gift when the alternative is someone like Desantis.  


And it's not an audit.  It's a criminal investigation.  Trump literally stole a boxes of classified documents and then tried to hide his favorite ones from the FBI when they told him to give them back.

Here', I'll help you catch up:

So we have an update.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.48.1_2.pdf

In late May, the DOJ served Trump with a subpoena to turn over:




On June 3, Trump complied, and had one of his liars certify:



And then the FBI went in and found theses (along with a bunch more):




Trump better announce his candidacy soon if he wants to be indicted while running for president...

[BADecker]

Besides the former pictures of unsealed docs being fake, the real ones so far are kinda nothings.


Judge Unseals More Detailed Inventory of What FBI Seized From Mar-a-Lago

A federal judge on Friday unsealed more detailed inventory of what the FBI seized from Mar-a-Lago last month.

Judge Aileen Cannon, the Trump-appointed judge who is still deciding whether to appoint a special master to review the seized documents, unsealed more inventory.

The new inventory included clothing, magazine covers and news clippings.

The so-called 'classified' documents shown in the staged photo earlier this week were found alongside 43 empty folders marked classified.

How scandalous!

Empty folders.

ABC News reported:

A federal judge on Friday unsealed a more detailed inventory of what the FBI seized in the search of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate last month.

The judge, who is considering the Trump legal team's request to name a third party to review the materials, ordered the release in a court hearing in Florida Thursday.

...

[TwitchySeal]

Besides the former pictures of unsealed docs being fake, the real ones so far are kinda nothings.


Judge Unseals More Detailed Inventory of What FBI Seized From Mar-a-Lago

A federal judge on Friday unsealed more detailed inventory of what the FBI seized from Mar-a-Lago last month.

Judge Aileen Cannon, the Trump-appointed judge who is still deciding whether to appoint a special master to review the seized documents, unsealed more inventory.

The new inventory included clothing, magazine covers and news clippings.

The so-called 'classified' documents shown in the staged photo earlier this week were found alongside 43 empty folders marked classified.

How scandalous!

Empty folders.

ABC News reported:

A federal judge on Friday unsealed a more detailed inventory of what the FBI seized in the search of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate last month.

The judge, who is considering the Trump legal team's request to name a third party to review the materials, ordered the release in a court hearing in Florida Thursday.

...

That's funny.  The article is trying to say that because there were empty folders, there weren't also classified documents.  Takes a special kind of stupid to fall for these articles.

Here are the first 2 of 8 pages.  Notice how there are both empty folders and documents?



https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.39.1_1.pdf

[PrimeNumber7]

Trump is the only reason Democrats have any hope for the midterms.  Any democrat vs Trump in 2024 is a gift when the alternative is someone like Desantis. 

Exactly. The only reason why Biden gave the speech on Thursday while pretending to be Hilter, is to try to get Trump to announce he is running for President before the midterms in order to motivate the Democratic base to vote. This is also likely the reason for the raid on Trump's home.

[TwitchySeal]

Trump is the only reason Democrats have any hope for the midterms.  Any democrat vs Trump in 2024 is a gift when the alternative is someone like Desantis.  

Exactly. The only reason why Biden gave the speech on Thursday while pretending to be Hilter, is to try to get Trump to announce he is running for President before the midterms in order to motivate the Democratic base to vote. This is also likely the reason for the raid on Trump's home.

Yes, it was a political speech.  Although I don't think Trump announcing he is running or not before the midterms will have as much of an effect as some seem to think.  It's all the wacko election denying "low quality" candidates he's endorsed that are keeping Democrats hopes alive.  

The raid on Trumps house was because he stole thousands of government documents and then refused to give them back and lied about having them.  

It's ok to admit Trump did something bad.  He's not going to hurt you.  I know you have critical thinking skills, why aren't you using them?

[Kavelj22]

Two days ago, I heard from the news that President Biden's son had been involved in corruption cases such as obtaining lucrative deals during his father's tenure as Vice President during President Obama's rule.
And that this information was circulated on social networks during the last major election period, which brought Trump and Biden in the final round during their election campaign.
The news says that the FBI intervened to prevent major newspapers from circulating the news, as well as communication networks, to limit the spread of news on this matter so that this would not affect Biden's popularity and Trump would not win as a result.

https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-zuckerberg-joe-rogan-fbi-very-legitimate-institution-2022-8

[BADecker]

Trump is the only reason Democrats have any hope for the midterms.  Any democrat vs Trump in 2024 is a gift when the alternative is someone like Desantis.  

Exactly. The only reason why Biden gave the speech on Thursday while pretending to be Hilter, is to try to get Trump to announce he is running for President before the midterms in order to motivate the Democratic base to vote. This is also likely the reason for the raid on Trump's home.

Yes, it was a political speech.  Although I don't think Trump announcing he is running or not before the midterms will have as much of an effect as some seem to think.  It's all the wacko election denying "low quality" candidates he's endorsed that are keeping Democrats hopes alive.  

The raid on Trumps house was because he stole thousands of government documents and then refused to give them back and lied about having them.  

It's ok to admit Trump did something bad.  He's not going to hurt you.  I know you have critical thinking skills, why aren't you using them?

No stealing involved on Trump's part. Presidential privilege.

The thing that is happening is that the Dems are gathering info to see if there really WAS any stealing. The case hasn't been adjudicated yet, and won't be adjudicated until after the midterms.

In other words, anybody who spreads the idea that stealing was involved, is spreading hearsay, at least, and maybe slander.

[PrimeNumber7]

Trump is the only reason Democrats have any hope for the midterms.  Any democrat vs Trump in 2024 is a gift when the alternative is someone like Desantis. 

Exactly. The only reason why Biden gave the speech on Thursday while pretending to be Hilter, is to try to get Trump to announce he is running for President before the midterms in order to motivate the Democratic base to vote. This is also likely the reason for the raid on Trump's home.

Yes, it was a political speech.  Although I don't think Trump announcing he is running or not before the midterms will have as much of an effect as some seem to think.  It's all the wacko election denying "low quality" candidates he's endorsed that are keeping Democrats hopes alive. 

It is clearly a democrat strategy to keep Trump in the conversation and to try to make Trump a campaign issue. This was tried in the VA governor's election, however, Youngkin was able to keep the conversation about the issues that Virginia voters care about, and about state policy. This is what happened (successfully) in the CA recall election.

The raid on Trumps house was because he stole thousands of government documents and then refused to give them back and lied about having them. 

Its too bad that Trump has the unilateral authority to decide which documents are personal, and which documents are those of his administration (government property), and this is not something that is judicially reviewable. Are you suggesting that Trump intentionally decided that the documents that was brought to his home were government property, and intentionally took them? Trump also had the unilateral authority to decide which documents are declassified. It defies logic that Trump would take documents without first declassifying them.

[TwitchySeal]

Trump is the only reason Democrats have any hope for the midterms.  Any democrat vs Trump in 2024 is a gift when the alternative is someone like Desantis.  

Exactly. The only reason why Biden gave the speech on Thursday while pretending to be Hilter, is to try to get Trump to announce he is running for President before the midterms in order to motivate the Democratic base to vote. This is also likely the reason for the raid on Trump's home.

Yes, it was a political speech.  Although I don't think Trump announcing he is running or not before the midterms will have as much of an effect as some seem to think.  It's all the wacko election denying "low quality" candidates he's endorsed that are keeping Democrats hopes alive.  

Actually, I think the government just wanted Trump to return the documents he stole.  He probably wouldn't have gotten any trouble if he would've just given them back when he was first asked like a year ago.

The raid on Trumps house was because he stole thousands of government documents and then refused to give them back and lied about having them.  

Its too bad that Trump has the unilateral authority to decide which documents are personal, and which documents are those of his administration (government property), and this is not something that is judicially reviewable. Are you suggesting that Trump intentionally decided that the documents that was brought to his home were government property, and intentionally took them? Trump also had the unilateral authority to decide which documents are declassified. It defies logic that Trump would take documents without first declassifying them.

So any document from the FBI, NSA, CIA, you think the president has the authority to just say "that's mine now, i'm taking it home with me to keep in my basement when I leave office"?

Is that seriously your argument?

Are you saying you honestly think that's something a US president has the right to do?  Or are you saying it's something Trump had the right to do because he's Trump and you can't really articulate why but when Trump does something it's not wrong and when someone that said something bad about Trump does something it's always wrong.  

Imagine if he would've just taken ALLLLL the documents, made Biden start from scratch.  And he could leak info to his authoritarian friends and watch US spies get captured and tell his followers it's because Biden is too senile.   Wouldn't that be hilarious?  You'd totally believe it too.

Or, I know, he could black mail other foreign leaders with the dirt US intelligence has on them to help him make Biden look bad to help him not lose another election.

Just imagine...anyone that's president for 1 day = they win any government documents they want to take home with them and keep forever.  

Makes total sense that that kind of power is a real thing.  It's so sad they are trying to take away Trumps rights like this.  Biden is so hitler.

  

[BADecker]

A Trump audit should prohibit him from running in 2024.


... but instead, it will propel him into the Presidency in 2024.

[TwitchySeal]

Lets be honest about the documents that are related to "nuclear" secrets. They are almost certain to be communications between him and NK leader Kim Jung Un. There are no other documents that Trump has any reason to want to keep that are related to "nuclear" secrets.

Looks like some of the documents that the FBI found in Trumps home (after the certified statement that all documents had been returned) were about "a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities".

Also, "Some of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them. Only the president, some members of his Cabinet or a near-Cabinet-level official could authorize other government officials to know details of these special-access programs"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/06/trump-nuclear-documents/

Seems like they were some pretty important documents, and not just love letters with a dictator that have sentimental value to Trump, don't you think?

[BADecker]

A Trump audit will only serve to prove that, even if Trump did something "bad," it will be as nothing when compared to many/most of the people in Congress, and especially the Biden administration.

[PrimeNumber7]

So any document from the FBI, NSA, CIA, you think the president has the authority to just say "that's mine now, i'm taking it home with me to keep in my basement when I leave office"?

Is that seriously your argument?

Are you saying you honestly think that's something a US president has the right to do?  Or are you saying it's something Trump had the right to do because he's Trump and you can't really articulate why but when Trump does something it's not wrong and when someone that said something bad about Trump does something it's always wrong. 

The issue at hand is related to Presidental records that are supposed to go to the national archives. The question is if the National Archives should have possession of the documents, or if Trump has the right to have the documents. The reason why the National Archives would have the right to the documents would be because they are records that belonged to his administration. Courts have previously ruled that the President gets to decide which documents belong to his administration and that this decision is not judicially reviewable.

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Imagine if he would've just taken ALLLLL the documents, made Biden start from scratch.  And he could leak info to his authoritarian friends and watch US spies get captured and tell his followers it's because Biden is too senile.   Wouldn't that be hilarious?  You'd totally believe it too.

I don't think there is any question about the Biden administration's right to access the documents in question. They don't.

Lets be honest about the documents that are related to "nuclear" secrets. They are almost certain to be communications between him and NK leader Kim Jung Un. There are no other documents that Trump has any reason to want to keep that are related to "nuclear" secrets.

Looks like some of the documents that the FBI found in Trumps home (after the certified statement that all documents had been returned) were about "a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities".

Also, "Some of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them. Only the president, some members of his Cabinet or a near-Cabinet-level official could authorize other government officials to know details of these special-access programs"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/06/trump-nuclear-documents/

Seems like they were some pretty important documents, and not just love letters with a dictator that have sentimental value to Trump, don't you think?

I don't have specific knowledge of the contents of the documents, but I will tell you right now that this is related to North Korea. Our foreign adversaries may or may not already have this specific information, but they are all on the side of North Korea.

Further, the leaks to a friendly newspaper is an example of how the DOJ is being weaponized to harm Biden's political opponent. The purpose of the DOJ is to seek justice, and leaking information to the press is not in the interest of justice.

[TwitchySeal]

I don't have specific knowledge of the contents of the documents, but I will tell you right now that this is related to North Korea. Our foreign adversaries may or may not already have this specific information, but they are all on the side of North Korea.

Further, the leaks to a friendly newspaper is an example of how the DOJ is being weaponized to harm Biden's political opponent. The purpose of the DOJ is to seek justice, and leaking information to the press is not in the interest of justice.

There's a bunch of speculation that they're likely related to Iran.  In the infamous photo, one of the dates is visible on a folder and it's the day or day after Trump pulled out of the Iran Nuclear deal.  That kind of information would be very valuable to someone with business interests in Israel or Saudi Arabia.  Who knows though, Trump stole a shit load of documents, might be both North Korea and Iran.

By the way, did you know Netanyahu has been friends with Trump for decades and used to live in Trump Tower in NYC?

By the way, did you know Trumps son in law received a $2 Billion (with a B) investment from Saudi Arabia just months after his time as a Senior White House Aid that focused on foreign policy in the middle east ended?

I don't think there is any question about the Biden administration's right to access the documents in question. They don't.

So, if Trump wins in 2024, does Biden get to take whatever documents he wants from any intelligence agency and keep them in his basement in Deleware?  And, even if they are extremely sensitive documents that are vital to National Security, Trump will have no right to access them?

Did Obama have the same power to do that as he was leaving office?

Would you defend Obama or Biden if they stole a bunch of documents and Trump, while president, tried to get them back?

Of course not.  Don't be silly.  Government records belong to the government.  The President works for the government, doesn't own it, and isn't above the law.  Trump was not a King.  (and he isn't one now either)

[PrimeNumber7]

I don't have specific knowledge of the contents of the documents, but I will tell you right now that this is related to North Korea. Our foreign adversaries may or may not already have this specific information, but they are all on the side of North Korea.

Further, the leaks to a friendly newspaper is an example of how the DOJ is being weaponized to harm Biden's political opponent. The purpose of the DOJ is to seek justice, and leaking information to the press is not in the interest of justice.

There's a bunch of speculation that they're likely related to Iran.  In the infamous photo, one of the dates is visible on a folder and it's the day or day after Trump pulled out of the Iran Nuclear deal.  That kind of information would be very valuable to someone with business interests in Israel or Saudi Arabia.  Who knows though, Trump stole a shit load of documents, might be both North Korea and Iran.

Okay, maybe the documents are related to Iran's nuclear capabilities. Although I suspect they are related to North Korea. In both cases, they would be related to enemies of the US. This information is likely to be shared with most of our allies, so there wouldn't be much to leak or sell. Even if Trump did sell the information, it would result in harm to our enemies.

I don't think there is any question about the Biden administration's right to access the documents in question. They don't.

So, if Trump wins in 2024, does Biden get to take whatever documents he wants from any intelligence agency and keep them in his basement in Deleware?  And, even if they are extremely sensitive documents that are vital to National Security, Trump will have no right to access them?

Did Obama have the same power to do that as he was leaving office?

Would you defend Obama or Biden if they stole a bunch of documents and Trump, while president, tried to get them back?

Of course not.  Don't be silly.  Government records belong to the government.  The President works for the government, doesn't own it, and isn't above the law.  Trump was not a King.  (and he isn't one now either)

Presidential records belong to the administration. Presidental records from the Obama administration were not available to Trump when he came into office. Obama's records either went to the national archives, or to Obama's house in Chicago. If Trump is elected again in '24, Biden's records will similarly be unavailable to Trump, and will go to the national archives.

As president, Trump has the authority to declassify documents as he chooses. The documents in question were declassified. The question of if this was appropriate is a political one, not a legal one. Luckily, Trump will likely be on the ballet in two years, so voters can decide if this was appropriate or not. Both Biden and Obama have/had similar authority currently/when he was president.

[BADecker]

If Trump isn't on the ballot for President, he might run for Speaker of the House... take Pelosi's place. Search on it.

[Gosgosking]

The unexpected FBI raid on Donald Trump's Florida residence on Monday signaled a rapid uptick in the number of inquiries against the former president, and it raised new legal issues that, in theory, may change the outcome of the presidential election in the United States.
That's because some have said that Mr. Trump could be constitutionally barred from seeking the presidency again if the investigation, which is apparently related to his handling of sensitive presidential records, results in a conviction.
So let's examine this more closely. How far have the investigations into Mr. Trump come along, according to the FBI search, and might he truly be dissuaded from running in 2024?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62487602

The way trump is going about everything I think he is a threat to democracy.  Trump is supposed to set an example to young politicians that are coming up but I think he is crossing his boundaries that may affect in his political interest. He needs to understand no citizen is above the law.

[BADecker]

As of this writing, has Trump been indicted, brought to trial, and convicted? I don't see it anywhere.

Why are we all trying to put the cart before the horse? There are investigations into wrongdoing in the FBI. It's looking more and more that there was no reason for them doing what they did.

By the time this is all worked out, Trump will have easily quit politics for being too old. Biden might even have succeeded in destroying the whole US by the end of his term. So, why is Trump even an issue?