A Trump audit should prohibit him from running in 2024.

[TwitchySeal]

Trump is the only reason Democrats have any hope for the midterms.  Any democrat vs Trump in 2024 is a gift when the alternative is someone like Desantis.  

Exactly. The only reason why Biden gave the speech on Thursday while pretending to be Hilter, is to try to get Trump to announce he is running for President before the midterms in order to motivate the Democratic base to vote. This is also likely the reason for the raid on Trump's home.

Yes, it was a political speech.  Although I don't think Trump announcing he is running or not before the midterms will have as much of an effect as some seem to think.  It's all the wacko election denying "low quality" candidates he's endorsed that are keeping Democrats hopes alive.  

Actually, I think the government just wanted Trump to return the documents he stole.  He probably wouldn't have gotten any trouble if he would've just given them back when he was first asked like a year ago.

The raid on Trumps house was because he stole thousands of government documents and then refused to give them back and lied about having them.  

Its too bad that Trump has the unilateral authority to decide which documents are personal, and which documents are those of his administration (government property), and this is not something that is judicially reviewable. Are you suggesting that Trump intentionally decided that the documents that was brought to his home were government property, and intentionally took them? Trump also had the unilateral authority to decide which documents are declassified. It defies logic that Trump would take documents without first declassifying them.

So any document from the FBI, NSA, CIA, you think the president has the authority to just say "that's mine now, i'm taking it home with me to keep in my basement when I leave office"?

Is that seriously your argument?

Are you saying you honestly think that's something a US president has the right to do?  Or are you saying it's something Trump had the right to do because he's Trump and you can't really articulate why but when Trump does something it's not wrong and when someone that said something bad about Trump does something it's always wrong.  

Imagine if he would've just taken ALLLLL the documents, made Biden start from scratch.  And he could leak info to his authoritarian friends and watch US spies get captured and tell his followers it's because Biden is too senile.   Wouldn't that be hilarious?  You'd totally believe it too.

Or, I know, he could black mail other foreign leaders with the dirt US intelligence has on them to help him make Biden look bad to help him not lose another election.

Just imagine...anyone that's president for 1 day = they win any government documents they want to take home with them and keep forever.  

Makes total sense that that kind of power is a real thing.  It's so sad they are trying to take away Trumps rights like this.  Biden is so hitler.

  

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[BADecker]

A Trump audit should prohibit him from running in 2024.


... but instead, it will propel him into the Presidency in 2024.

[TwitchySeal]

Lets be honest about the documents that are related to "nuclear" secrets. They are almost certain to be communications between him and NK leader Kim Jung Un. There are no other documents that Trump has any reason to want to keep that are related to "nuclear" secrets.

Looks like some of the documents that the FBI found in Trumps home (after the certified statement that all documents had been returned) were about "a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities".

Also, "Some of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them. Only the president, some members of his Cabinet or a near-Cabinet-level official could authorize other government officials to know details of these special-access programs"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/06/trump-nuclear-documents/

Seems like they were some pretty important documents, and not just love letters with a dictator that have sentimental value to Trump, don't you think?

[BADecker]

A Trump audit will only serve to prove that, even if Trump did something "bad," it will be as nothing when compared to many/most of the people in Congress, and especially the Biden administration.

[PrimeNumber7]

So any document from the FBI, NSA, CIA, you think the president has the authority to just say "that's mine now, i'm taking it home with me to keep in my basement when I leave office"?

Is that seriously your argument?

Are you saying you honestly think that's something a US president has the right to do?  Or are you saying it's something Trump had the right to do because he's Trump and you can't really articulate why but when Trump does something it's not wrong and when someone that said something bad about Trump does something it's always wrong. 

The issue at hand is related to Presidental records that are supposed to go to the national archives. The question is if the National Archives should have possession of the documents, or if Trump has the right to have the documents. The reason why the National Archives would have the right to the documents would be because they are records that belonged to his administration. Courts have previously ruled that the President gets to decide which documents belong to his administration and that this decision is not judicially reviewable.

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Imagine if he would've just taken ALLLLL the documents, made Biden start from scratch.  And he could leak info to his authoritarian friends and watch US spies get captured and tell his followers it's because Biden is too senile.   Wouldn't that be hilarious?  You'd totally believe it too.

I don't think there is any question about the Biden administration's right to access the documents in question. They don't.

Lets be honest about the documents that are related to "nuclear" secrets. They are almost certain to be communications between him and NK leader Kim Jung Un. There are no other documents that Trump has any reason to want to keep that are related to "nuclear" secrets.

Looks like some of the documents that the FBI found in Trumps home (after the certified statement that all documents had been returned) were about "a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities".

Also, "Some of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them. Only the president, some members of his Cabinet or a near-Cabinet-level official could authorize other government officials to know details of these special-access programs"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/06/trump-nuclear-documents/

Seems like they were some pretty important documents, and not just love letters with a dictator that have sentimental value to Trump, don't you think?

I don't have specific knowledge of the contents of the documents, but I will tell you right now that this is related to North Korea. Our foreign adversaries may or may not already have this specific information, but they are all on the side of North Korea.

Further, the leaks to a friendly newspaper is an example of how the DOJ is being weaponized to harm Biden's political opponent. The purpose of the DOJ is to seek justice, and leaking information to the press is not in the interest of justice.

[TwitchySeal]

I don't have specific knowledge of the contents of the documents, but I will tell you right now that this is related to North Korea. Our foreign adversaries may or may not already have this specific information, but they are all on the side of North Korea.

Further, the leaks to a friendly newspaper is an example of how the DOJ is being weaponized to harm Biden's political opponent. The purpose of the DOJ is to seek justice, and leaking information to the press is not in the interest of justice.

There's a bunch of speculation that they're likely related to Iran.  In the infamous photo, one of the dates is visible on a folder and it's the day or day after Trump pulled out of the Iran Nuclear deal.  That kind of information would be very valuable to someone with business interests in Israel or Saudi Arabia.  Who knows though, Trump stole a shit load of documents, might be both North Korea and Iran.

By the way, did you know Netanyahu has been friends with Trump for decades and used to live in Trump Tower in NYC?

By the way, did you know Trumps son in law received a $2 Billion (with a B) investment from Saudi Arabia just months after his time as a Senior White House Aid that focused on foreign policy in the middle east ended?

I don't think there is any question about the Biden administration's right to access the documents in question. They don't.

So, if Trump wins in 2024, does Biden get to take whatever documents he wants from any intelligence agency and keep them in his basement in Deleware?  And, even if they are extremely sensitive documents that are vital to National Security, Trump will have no right to access them?

Did Obama have the same power to do that as he was leaving office?

Would you defend Obama or Biden if they stole a bunch of documents and Trump, while president, tried to get them back?

Of course not.  Don't be silly.  Government records belong to the government.  The President works for the government, doesn't own it, and isn't above the law.  Trump was not a King.  (and he isn't one now either)

[PrimeNumber7]

I don't have specific knowledge of the contents of the documents, but I will tell you right now that this is related to North Korea. Our foreign adversaries may or may not already have this specific information, but they are all on the side of North Korea.

Further, the leaks to a friendly newspaper is an example of how the DOJ is being weaponized to harm Biden's political opponent. The purpose of the DOJ is to seek justice, and leaking information to the press is not in the interest of justice.

There's a bunch of speculation that they're likely related to Iran.  In the infamous photo, one of the dates is visible on a folder and it's the day or day after Trump pulled out of the Iran Nuclear deal.  That kind of information would be very valuable to someone with business interests in Israel or Saudi Arabia.  Who knows though, Trump stole a shit load of documents, might be both North Korea and Iran.

Okay, maybe the documents are related to Iran's nuclear capabilities. Although I suspect they are related to North Korea. In both cases, they would be related to enemies of the US. This information is likely to be shared with most of our allies, so there wouldn't be much to leak or sell. Even if Trump did sell the information, it would result in harm to our enemies.

I don't think there is any question about the Biden administration's right to access the documents in question. They don't.

So, if Trump wins in 2024, does Biden get to take whatever documents he wants from any intelligence agency and keep them in his basement in Deleware?  And, even if they are extremely sensitive documents that are vital to National Security, Trump will have no right to access them?

Did Obama have the same power to do that as he was leaving office?

Would you defend Obama or Biden if they stole a bunch of documents and Trump, while president, tried to get them back?

Of course not.  Don't be silly.  Government records belong to the government.  The President works for the government, doesn't own it, and isn't above the law.  Trump was not a King.  (and he isn't one now either)

Presidential records belong to the administration. Presidental records from the Obama administration were not available to Trump when he came into office. Obama's records either went to the national archives, or to Obama's house in Chicago. If Trump is elected again in '24, Biden's records will similarly be unavailable to Trump, and will go to the national archives.

As president, Trump has the authority to declassify documents as he chooses. The documents in question were declassified. The question of if this was appropriate is a political one, not a legal one. Luckily, Trump will likely be on the ballet in two years, so voters can decide if this was appropriate or not. Both Biden and Obama have/had similar authority currently/when he was president.

[BADecker]

If Trump isn't on the ballot for President, he might run for Speaker of the House... take Pelosi's place. Search on it.

[Gosgosking]

The unexpected FBI raid on Donald Trump's Florida residence on Monday signaled a rapid uptick in the number of inquiries against the former president, and it raised new legal issues that, in theory, may change the outcome of the presidential election in the United States.
That's because some have said that Mr. Trump could be constitutionally barred from seeking the presidency again if the investigation, which is apparently related to his handling of sensitive presidential records, results in a conviction.
So let's examine this more closely. How far have the investigations into Mr. Trump come along, according to the FBI search, and might he truly be dissuaded from running in 2024?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62487602

The way trump is going about everything I think he is a threat to democracy.  Trump is supposed to set an example to young politicians that are coming up but I think he is crossing his boundaries that may affect in his political interest. He needs to understand no citizen is above the law.

[BADecker]

As of this writing, has Trump been indicted, brought to trial, and convicted? I don't see it anywhere.

Why are we all trying to put the cart before the horse? There are investigations into wrongdoing in the FBI. It's looking more and more that there was no reason for them doing what they did.

By the time this is all worked out, Trump will have easily quit politics for being too old. Biden might even have succeeded in destroying the whole US by the end of his term. So, why is Trump even an issue?