RedFlaged / Marked or "Dirty" BTC/USDT

[BlackHatCoiner]

Sure they do: Take your business elsewhere.

Yeah, I mean after you've made an account and deposited money. You can't say "Hey, I changed my mind, give my 'tainted' coins back". They confiscate your property and you either give it up, or give them what they want, that is personal data. They're blackmailing you straight. If they didn't, you could have the option to provide your UTXO on some /taint_check, and see yourself if your money is "tainted", without handing it over to some third party.

[franky1]

Sure they do: Take your business elsewhere.

Yeah, I mean after you've made an account and deposited money. You can't say "Hey, I changed my mind, give my 'tainted' coins back". They confiscate your property and you either give it up, or give them what they want, that is personal data. They're blackmailing you straight. If they didn't, you could have the option to provide your UTXO on some /taint_check, and see yourself if your money is "tainted", without handing it over to some third party.

oh look blackhatcoiner. the guy that screams out fantasy dreams and scary nightmares without doing research

actual fact when customers are just under a watchlist/investigation for suspicious activity an exchange cannot by law confiscate/forfeit your value.

if you done some research you would know this:
if they find you suspicious to a certain level they run an investigation. if it encroaches to a certain threshold, they can limit your access to certain features in their service. but you still have the ability to withdraw your funds and close your account, you just cant do any trading or swaps on the exchange or use other features within the exchange(this is called account suspended)

they can only confiscate(steal) your value if they have raised their concerns to the authorities and the authorities have done an investigation and linked you to a crime that is evidenced enough to prove to a judge that there is enough evidence to file a court order against you.. and only on receipt of the court order can a exchange confiscate funds and pass you onto the courts to defend yourself

of course the easiest way to avoid this headache path if you are a malicious person that raises red flags. is to avoid services like those

[pandaBTC]

First, you need to know from which address you will receive the coins. In many cases it's impossible, because your counterparty will refuse to tell you. Second, there's no objective taint. It's about to whom you will send your coins. Some services might not care about history of your coins at all. Others might hire chainanalysis companies or perform their own analysis. Some services don't want to receive coins linked to gambling. And so on. There's lots of possibilities.

Thats the point of this topic. Just the small fraction of coins that you will receive make all of them taint. And if ill transfer them over to exchange with AML, KYC im afraid what can happened. How to avoid receiving them, how to make sure they are clear before you facilitate the trade. Is btc/usdt -> monero-> new wallet-> btc new wallet -> exchange still work? Does anyone know

I have traded exclusively peer to peer for the entire time I have used bitcoin. I extensively mix, coinjoin, swap to Monero, and otherwise obfuscate my coins. I have literally never once encountered a problem with taint or dirty coins because I do not use any centralized exchange or service which buys in to such nonsense and perpetuates this attack on the fundamentals of bitcoin.

what decentralized exchange are you using for swapping coins if you don't mind to share

Hello to everyone. Need some advice from went over this and have solid solutionS.
How to make sure that coins (BTC and/or USDT) are not "dirty" before you receive them on your wallet?Not concidering Coinfirm,Chainalysis,ScoreChain etc.

 As I anderstand they wan't be locked until you send them to crypto-platform with KYC( like binance..). What about cold wallets?

Ask a miner personally and buy those freshly mined bitcoins.

Other than that, I can't see any other way for you to have those clean bitcoins in the circulation because you'll never know where the origin of it really came from.

As been said by the others, it's likely that most of the coins have been touched by any of those worries you've got.

if there is a miners you know I would be happy to work with.it have to be a trusted person otherwise we coming back to the same point - are they really mined? Some sellers straight up buy being - coins are from mixer, some aren't.

Sure they do: Take your business elsewhere.

Yeah, I mean after you've made an account and deposited money. You can't say "Hey, I changed my mind, give my 'tainted' coins back". They confiscate your property and you either give it up, or give them what they want, that is personal data. They're blackmailing you straight. If they didn't, you could have the option to provide your UTXO on some /taint_check, and see yourself if your money is "tainted", without handing it over to some third party.

...if they find you suspicious to a certain level they run an investigation. if it encroaches to a certain threshold, they can limit your access to certain features in their service. but you still have the ability to withdraw your funds and close your account....

You're correct. but its a time concern. Your funds are locked for who knows how long. Depend on your luck.
if it been locked in 2009 and released in 2022 the I don't mined this scenario

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[goldkingcoiner]

There are no dirty BTC. There are only dirty businesses trying to play the government's lapdog by scaring people out of their financial freedom and back into the system of centralized control. We will not go back to the old system no matter how hard they try to chip away at the foundations of Bitcoin! They never had any power to put or enforce any kind of regulations on Bitcoin. They are only scamming the gullible by holding their coins hostage until those people agree to do whatever they want. Not your keys, not your coin.

Its time to call out the traitors for what they are. Fakecoiners.

[o_e_l_e_o]

what decentralized exchange are you using for swapping coins if you don't mind to share

I predominantly use Bisq and LocalCryptos to trade between fiat, BTC, and XMR. I don't use any other altcoins, but I understand there are various instant exchangers and decentralized exchanges which cater to BTC/altcoin swaps without requiring you to deposit your coins to their platform and therefore no issues regarding taint. There's also RoboSats for Lightning trades, although I haven't used it myself it. Try here for other suggestions: https://kycnot.me/

[franky1]

Sure they do: Take your business elsewhere.

Yeah, I mean after you've made an account and deposited money. You can't say "Hey, I changed my mind, give my 'tainted' coins back". They confiscate your property and you either give it up, or give them what they want, that is personal data. They're blackmailing you straight. If they didn't, you could have the option to provide your UTXO on some /taint_check, and see yourself if your money is "tainted", without handing it over to some third party.

...if they find you suspicious to a certain level they run an investigation. if it encroaches to a certain threshold, they can limit your access to certain features in their service. but you still have the ability to withdraw your funds and close your account....

You're correct. but its a time concern. Your funds are locked for who knows how long. Depend on your luck.
if it been locked in 2009 and released in 2022 the I don't mined this scenario

lets emphasise things
unless an exchange has received a COURT ORDER from a court to confiscate coins and pass onto courts/regulators as temporary guardians of the confiscated coins, which then ends up in the user having to go to court to prove innocence.. .. again until that point. a exchange cannot confiscate your coins

they can however at just the red flag level. limit your use of their service (not allow you access to the exchange order book to buy/sell..) but you still have and legally should have access to view balance and request to withdraw said balance and close account. which should be honoured within a reasonable time.

some exchanges try to implement their own business terms of service to try to suggest that by agreeing to become a user of their exchange you agree to not sue them if they dont allow you to get a withdrawl to close account. where they pretend it forces you into only being able to seek a resolution through THEIR arbitration systems. but if they breach their own rules especially the regulators rules you can still sue them in court.

it actually is worth reading regulations and exchanges own terms and conditions just so you can learn how to operate in a manner to avoid the headaches of regulations and business terms

[jossiel]

Ask a miner personally and buy those freshly mined bitcoins.

Except they aren't all freshly mined, they include bitcoin which came from transaction fees from transaction linked to gambling, scams, North Korea, and more! And how do you know the miner which solved that block wasn't powered by coal and therefore contributing to global warming!? Those "freshly mined" coins should be tainted for sure!

Every coin in active circulation is tainted by somebody's made up metrics. The only logical conclusion is to stop using any platform or service which buys in to this made up fantasy.

There's no way on knowing about that and you're right then, most likely and in general all coins has its source for being tainted. So, in summary, no matter where it comes from, there's a trace of it from being tainted.

if there is a miners you know I would be happy to work with.it have to be a trusted person otherwise we coming back to the same point - are they really mined? Some sellers straight up buy being - coins are from mixer, some aren't.

I don't have one but with the explanation of oeleo, I guess you'll understand the logic of what most bitcoins are whether they're freshly mined or not.

[franky1]

Except they aren't all freshly mined, they include bitcoin which came from transaction fees from transaction linked to gambling, scams, North Korea, and more! And how do you know the miner which solved that block wasn't powered by coal and therefore contributing to global warming!? Those "freshly mined" coins should be tainted for sure!

look at the desperate idiot trying everything he can to try to say that every coin is red flagged already just so that he can try to advertise his mixers (which are red flag triggers) by saying that in his warped mind that coins are already red flagged so everyone needs to use a mixer to clean them

his reality is warped backwards and twisted

he has no clue and just wants to advertise services/middle men that cause bitcoiner more delays, issues. costs, and headaches.

very vile person very vile indeed

[o_e_l_e_o]

There's no way on knowing about that and you're right then, most likely and in general all coins has its source for being tainted. So, in summary, no matter where it comes from, there's a trace of it from being tainted.

Exactly my point. The whole thing is completely arbitrary. Let's say we have some coins which we know were stolen, so we taint them. Some of those coins then move to another wallet. Are they still tainted? How do we know that the coins weren't just spent in a completely legal way, such as buying goods from a merchant? Now we are punishing the merchant for a crime they didn't even know about, let alone have anything to do with. What about after the coins have moved 10 times? What about 100 times? Are they tainted forever, or do we just pluck a random number out of thin air and declare that they are clean again after this many transactions? What about if those tainted coins are combined with some clean coins? Are all the outputs tainted? What if 0.01 tainted BTC is combined with 0.99 clean BTC. Is the full 1 BTC output tainted? Is it 1% tainted? What does that even mean? What about when a centralized exchange accepts those tainted coins? Are they magically scrubbed clean again?

Taint is completely arbitrary made up nonsense. The best option for both the individual and the wider bitcoin ecosystem is to not do business with anyone who forces you to obey their made up rules, since doing so defeats the very point of a decentralized, peer to peer currency.

[franky1]

aww .. new misdirect tactic from oeleo
now trying to convince that people to not care about taint.. with his new delusion that all coins are already "bad"
(reality is no they are not, not even 1% are considered this. he has been told now in many topics of similar subject this. so he cant play ignorant or pretend he had sudden amnesia)


guess he realised his first game failed
but lets play his new game,.

to pretend rules dont apply and be ignorant..
thinking ignorance of rules by pretending rules are made up will save people..

you cant get away with murder by saying "i didnt know it was a crime i thought that law was made up because some guy on a forum said it was made up"

sorry oeleo
but rules DO exist. and people can be hurt if they dont know the rules.

if a country has a rule thats says "no sex on the beach".. and all the beach police are looking out for people having sex on the beach. where they are trained to watch out for acts like dry humping.. as a suspicious activity

out of all the thousands of people sunbathing. if they see you dry humping.. they will start to watch you. and yes they will keep an eye on all your movements.. and if they look closer to you to get a better look at you and see you are actually having sex on the beach. expect more issues.

your ignorance doesnt amaze me, i have seen your ignorance in most of your posts.

but please stop your vile crappy mindset that will and does cause other people to get into trouble
(beach analogy: you think if you can get all sunbathers to enter into an orgy, or have a fantasy dream that all sunbathers are already having an orgy. then you believe that the rule then doesnt apply or you can dismantle the law).. sorry real world does not work that way..
instead trying to entice random sunbathers to enter into an orgy. gets them in trouble and actually could get you in further trouble for pushing them into joining an orgy

its as if you want people to get into trouble on purpose.. so that you can come back and say 'oh look people got in trouble, i told you this would happen'.. eventhough you would be the main cause of their troubles if they dared follow your crap
how about you go play on your altnet/mixers where only a small sub1% of users play with each other. and swap value between themselves...
stir your value in your dark swamps with other people that want to swim in dirty swamps.
stop trying to get normal clean users to jump into your swamps in the hopes that you can drown them as you try to claw your way out taking their clean pants as you escape the swamp

not all coins are red flagged
less than 0.25% are red flagged

but using "privacy enhancing tools/networks" will earn you a red flag
yep using mixers, tumblers, LN, monero, liquid will earn you a red flag.

so people SHOULD actually learn what causes a red flag thus chances of being on a SAR report. so that they can learn what to avoid

its not about pretending all bitcoins are red flagged. (oeleo's latest nonsense)
its about know about what services and tools to avoid

[suzanne5223]

It totally impossible for you to be sure the coin you receive in your wallet is from a clean source unless you hire some expert surveillance techniques and blockchain analysis but if you ask this question because of your safety I will advise you don't use p2p trading and if you do change the BTC to privacy coin.

Almost all CEX is working with the authority now and that's why exchanges like Binance lock the wallet that's reported to be associated with scammers, casinos, and crypto tumbler sites. However, there are some crypto exchanges that still have no problem with you receiving coins from casinos though.

[o_e_l_e_o]

It totally impossible for you to be sure the coin you receive in your wallet is from a clean source unless you hire some expert surveillance techniques and blockchain analysis

But what if you hire Company A, which think your coins are just fine, but your exchange uses Company B which thinks your coins are tainted because they were withdrawn from a gambling site 5 transactions ago, even though that had nothing to do with you? Or perhaps another exchange uses Company C, which thinks the other exchange that you use is high risk because it is incorporated in the Seychelles. So you withdraw coins from the first exchange using Company B which are perfectly clean as far as they are concerned, deposit them over at the second exchange using Company C, and your account gets locked.

There are dozens of blockchain analysis companies and there are hundreds of exchanges, and all of them have their own definition of taint and their own (unknown and secret) algorithms and protocols for assigning taint to certain coins. The only way you will find out for sure if any specific exchange thinks your coins are tainted is when they lock your account. Better then to just avoid any centralized exchange which has the ability to seize your coins, and trade on DEXs and peer to peer.

[franky1]

It totally impossible for you to be sure the coin you receive in your wallet is from a clean source unless you hire some expert surveillance techniques and blockchain analysis

There are dozens of blockchain analysis companies and there are hundreds of exchanges, and all of them have their own definition of taint and their own (unknown and secret) algorithms and protocols for assigning taint to certain coins. The only way you will find out for sure if any specific exchange thinks your coins are tainted is when they lock your account. Better then to just avoid any centralized exchange which has the ability to seize your coins, and trade on DEXs and peer to peer.

or you can do what oeleo refuses to do
RESEARCH

for instance. you find out where binance is registerd to then check that jurisdictions regulations about what the jurisdiction describes as their list of suspicious activities

yep find out what regulators say is a suspicious activity, which then regulated exchanges then follow and comply with

for instance no one uses hundreds of exchanges. so you dont need to research hundreds.
just look at the services you want to use and research what issues you might have when using those services you use.

then you can learn what kind of things services you use, watch out for. to then know how to interact with them or avoid them if they are going to cause you issues

its been over a week, after telling oeleo and his buddies about 20 times in multiple posts in multiple topics what U.S regulators tell VASPS (virtual asset service providers) what to watch out for.. its funny how oeleo pleads ignorance or gets sudden amnesia each time, just so he can play dumb in yet another topic of the same subject

oeleo wants to ignore the advice and YET AGAIN pretend its a secret and unknown

but he did make one step forward. to actually advise to avoid middlemen services

Better then to just avoid any centralized exchange which has the ability to seize your coins, and trade on DEXs and peer to peer.