Street Selfie? Why all these crazy requirements in the name of KYC verification?

[Bitcoin_Arena]

I was browsing through the gambling board, and then I came across some member complaining about some casino that had requested for KYC verification which is OK but what was weird was the way they wanted the user to verify the account  

Dear User,
We hope this email finds you well.
As part of our ongoing verification review of your account, you are kindly requested to submit further documentation to verify your identity.
1. A street selfie: A photo of your face with your government-issued ID (Passport or Driving Licence) and a newspaper in one hand, taken outside your building or street sign. Take a pen/marker and write Cloudbet and today's date on the newspaper and sign the newspaper below the word Cloudbet.
Please note all details. should be legible, including the building name or street sign.
Thank you for your patience and understanding.

Seriously, is this going to be the new trend in KYC verification?
Remember, back then, all that most services required were the front and back part of your ID or passport before they started asking for simple selfies.

Why would they need a street sign or building name?

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[Oshosondy]

It was only ID documents before, later to taking selfie which can be anywhere, people can even do it at home, now it is selfie showing street sign.

Not even a piece of paper, but a newspaper.

Why would they need a street sign or building name?

I do not see any reason, but I am thinking Cloudbet is looking for more ways KYC can not be manipulated, but this is inconvenience. I do not think I can use any site like that when there are other good gambling sites with easy verification process.

[suchmoon]

Why would they need a street sign or building name?

To make sure that you are located where you claim to be located, but obviously that's not going to work. Cheaters will find ways to cheat (e.g. get someone on fiverr to take a picture for them) and legitimate users will laugh and leave, or perhaps will cheat too because who has even seen an actual printed newspaper recently.

[Dave1]

Last selfie that I did was last month to our local exchanges, actually it was a video selfie, stating your name and the current date and holding a valid id.

But true, fraudsters will find away to circumvent with this verification, and people are willing to be paid just to have their picture taken in street level, Lol.

[PX-Z]

KYC becomes more complicated, insecured and shits.
Video KYC should be enough than going outside considering your security, and safety. Making selfie with "cloudbet" word or maybe soon an exchange name ^{(if they will consider such kyc)} like you are shouting, "Hey, i'm playing at cloudbet, come at me on my home" much worse if its an exchange.

[DaveF]

Yeah, it is getting nuts. I am guessing that it is going to get a lot worse before it gets any better. I can see a lot of places trying to come up with more and more 'creative' ways of doing KYC to combat fraud. It's the people who try to scam / cheat that make some of it necessary and others who try to fake location. I don't think it's going to help but I can see why they are trying it.

Note, I am talking about online casinos here not other services.

-DAve

[suchmoon]

It's the people who try to scam / cheat that make some of it necessary and others who try to fake location.

It's really the fault of casinos that have various idiotic bonus structures vulnerable to sockpuppeting. There are anonymous online casinos that never had KYC, and legalities in certain jurisdictions aside, they work fine.

Ok, I know sportsbooks may need to enforce certain limits, but a street selfie isn't gonna help with that, and most of these casinos don't require KYC on sign up, which is what they really should do. I can't enter a local B&M casino without an ID, and I can't register on their website without an ID, so not sure why some Bitcoin casinos have chosen the shitiest possible way to deal with identification.

[bittraffic]

As if taking selfies and holding IDs aren't annoying enough. Things are becoming difficult for those who cheat because privacy is costly these days. Privacy has a higher tag price, it's not a walk in the park anymore and you get away.

It could get a lot worse since cheaters can always find a way, next time they may need DNA already recorded live on cam and they can trace your relatives. 

[NotATether]

1. A street selfie: A photo of your face with your government-issued ID (Passport or Driving Licence) and a newspaper in one hand, taken outside your building or street sign. Take a pen/marker and write Cloudbet and today's date on the newspaper and sign the newspaper below the word Cloudbet.
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Seriously, is this going to be the new trend in KYC verification?
Remember, back then, all that most services required were the front and back part of your ID or passport before they started asking for simple selfies.

Why would they need a street sign or building name?

To blackmail you. They have no compliance tools developed that will acurately determine your proof of residence, and it's highly unlikely that some operator is goint to be typing this all by hand - and, if they ever get hacked and the KYC data is stolen (because there is no 3rd party in the world that does "street sign verification" - of course they are storing them on their own servers), you can be sure to expect a visit from some thugs who know that you have thousands of dollars worth of crypto in your casino account.

For a reference, the only proof of identity services like Amazon need is a bank withdrawal statement.

Never use a service whose KYC does not accept bank withdrawal statements as sufficient proof of address.

[mk4]

I'm guessing it's to prevent KYC submission using stolen data/photos. As more and more services require selfies with their IDs, the more and more people leave these photos on their cloud drives, hence quite prone from being stolen by hackers.

I do agree that it's getting too ridiculous though.

[examplens]

I'm guessing it's to prevent KYC submission using stolen data/photos. As more and more services require selfies with their IDs, the more and more people leave these photos on their cloud drives, hence quite prone from being stolen by hackers.

I do agree that it's getting too ridiculous though.

what I noticed is that casinos, when they need to pay out a larger amount, very often ask for KYC. and it is not rare that there are very complicated KYC procedures for the pass. Someone could conclude that this is an intention to delay or stop the withdrawal of money from the casino.


why casinos do not have an independent KYC register?
One registry for all, where users will be able to undergo verification, and the casino will only need some kind of verification code from this service.

[NeuroticFish]

Remember, back then, all that most services required were the front and back part of your ID or passport before they started asking for simple selfies.

Since then they've noticed that sending pictures can easily mean nothing at all, since everything can be faked with enough skill.
So what they do is making everything more difficult. Which was proven (so many times) to be plain stupid, since it makes the life of normal people more difficult, make everything more costly and, as we all know, will most probably not stop the (ever growing number of) scammers.

[mk4]

why casinos do not have an independent KYC register?

I've been using NitrogenSports for a while now without any problems (other than their bad UI/UX) and without any sudden KYC requirement. DYOR though, I've seen a few complaints about missing funds throughout the years.

[stompix]

Why would they need a street sign or building name?

A photo of your face with your government-issued ID (Passport or Driving Licence) and a newspaper in one hand, taken outside your building or street sign.

It's not a random building, it's your building with the street number that is written on your ID, so for all those that were using scanned documents bought for 20-50$ now, it's becoming way more expensive since you will have to pay for custom things, with custom street names and a guy that is willing to do the picture thing and have his picture on an obvious fake document.

Of course, it can still be passed but it will cost you more, for the ones who have already done KYC with fake docs are definitely f**&* up, and for regular users it will be one middle finger raised to the stratosphere, I don't even know where to buy a damn newspaper anymore and my block of flats where my id points has the street name and number on the wall up like 6-7 meters for all drivers to see it so f*** your selfie.

Seriously, is this going to be the new trend in KYC verification?

I'm still waiting for the mandatory sperm sample.

[Oshosondy]

To make sure that you are located where you claim to be located, but obviously that's not going to work. Cheaters will find ways to cheat (e.g. get someone on fiverr to take a picture for them) and legitimate users will laugh and leave, or perhaps will cheat too because who has even seen an actual printed newspaper recently.

I see uploading ID and making video recording or snapping of oneself to be good enough, still they can be manipulated. Making selfie with a street sign and snapping of a news paper is not a barrier at all for those that are selling verified account just like you said, I see it not necessary at all, even the exchanges I have used are not stringent with their KYC requirements like that while I expect exchanges to be more strict with their KYC requirements.

Note, I am talking about online casinos here not other services.

Before I know this forum, I was using local gambling sites, they all are not yet requiring for KYCs in a hard way like that, just name, data of birth and other basic verifications, no IDs needed but they are fiat for gambling sites. I later used bet365, when I have no driver licence, international passport or permanent national id, I still was able to use birth certificate for the verification and I was verified.

Currently I am using the gambling sites on this forum, all are not hard like that, some even do no require for ID card but just basic verification.

[philipma1957]

Why would they need a street sign or building name?

A photo of your face with your government-issued ID (Passport or Driving Licence) and a newspaper in one hand, taken outside your building or street sign.

It's not a random building, it's your building with the street number that is written on your ID, so for all those that were using scanned documents bought for 20-50$ now, it's becoming way more expensive since you will have to pay for custom things, with custom street names and a guy that is willing to do the picture thing and have his picture on an obvious fake document.

Of course, it can still be passed but it will cost you more, for the ones who have already done KYC with fake docs are definitely f**&* up, and for regular users it will be one middle finger raised to the stratosphere, I don't even know where to buy a damn newspaper anymore and my block of flats where my id points has the street name and number on the wall up like 6-7 meters for all drivers to see it so f*** your selfie.

Seriously, is this going to be the new trend in KYC verification?

I'm still waiting for the mandatory sperm sample.

my private house has a number lets say 33 and my drivers license has a matching number.

but they should ask for a google street view of my home. not a newspaper.

if I do a 14 inch print of my google street view
and stay by my house number
and hold my NJ, USA
drivers license
along with a sunday asbury press

it would be hard but not impossible to fake.


the reality is I simply do not want a casino knowing exactly where I live and I don’t know where they live.

I grew up on the border of brooklyn and queens.

east new york and ozone park were old school Italian neighborhoods

one rule was if a guy knew you enough to know where your home was you better make sure you knew where he lived.

Just in case .

these casinos do not allow me data on them so fuck them
I do not use any of them.

[Plaguedeath]

A picture can be easily got photoshopped, it doesn't make sense to require street selfie, parents selfie, house selfie, and so on. If they're looking for highly percentage of trustworthy KYC, video or live conversation are enough. Asking for non sense picture is pointless.

But, if all customers need to complete the street selfie, it's make people like a scammer since it's complicated.

[sheenshane]

That's insane, it's a nonsense requirement of KYC, though it's hard, but possible the photo could be faked.

I didn't know what happen most in gambling because ain't an active poster there but I think this something just like a loophole to them, a kind of a trap and it seems they wanted to delay or if you can't comply the requirements you can't withdraw the fund, I tend to agree with the comment above pointed out by examplens.

It's fine if all of these are stated on their terms and use, at least you know that you may encounter this when you want to withdraw your money, but if not, it seems something shady to me.  Upon using any platforms out there, just make sure you understand the terms of use.

[noorman0]

I see uploading ID and making video recording or snapping of oneself to be good enough,

If they start to distrust video verification it might make bit of sense. Some android apps are able to animate a photo as if it were alive by imitating what you are doing and making sounds too. Maybe a third party KYC service has a weakness if it only focuses on human objects, that's why their KYC system is starting to take advantage of the surrounding environment as an object at least they can be sure it shows enough authenticity.

[Oshosondy]

That's insane, it's a nonsense requirement of KYC, though it's hard, but possible the photo could be faked.

Did you think it is a lie that people are selling KYC? This is not beyond what they can do.

I didn't know what happen most in gambling because ain't an active poster there but I think this something just like a loophole to them, a kind of a trap and it seems they wanted to delay or if you can't comply the requirements you can't withdraw the fund, I tend to agree with the comment above pointed out by examplens.

It's fine if all of these are stated on their terms and use, at least you know that you may encounter this when you want to withdraw your money, but if not, it seems something shady to me.  Upon using any platforms out there, just make sure you understand the terms of use.

On Cloudbet ToS, submitting KYC could be there, but no one would know if he is going to have to go through another type of selfies, so it would not be stated that street signs and news paper would be included, all people would be thinking is submitting IDs, making video or snapping.

How many people read ToS, it is usually long, but it is important to read ToS though for not to make mistake. Some people may decide to have just a single account, not take advantage of deposit bonus with another account, not using VPN and making sure the betting site allows people from his country to gamble while gambling is allowed in his country. If the person know that what could happen last is is to submit his IDs and other details, but mandating street signs and news paper would definitely be frustrating.