Massively fraudulent Escrow Transaction!

[Coin_trader]

I don’t see any fault on the escrow side because your account itself is the one who confirmed that everything is good and tracking number is not required to received by escrow if the you already give the signal for a success trade. OG will never know if your account is compromised or not unless he will browse your trust record and this will only possible after the deal went successful.

You are responsible for your account security and you should enable 2FA if you are dealing with huge amount here in the forum. You should state too on the agreement that you will only allow the escrow to release funds if you have the tracking number of the parcel because it’s available since day 1 once the parcel is already book for delivery. Securing the tracking number is your responsibility and not the escrow. The escrow will just release the funds if you say so regardless if you have the tracking number or not.

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[Rizzrack]

And Og no longer will reply to me on this account... because "he doesn't even know who I am"

Even though I explained clearly that I am Scott2k and provided confidential info that only Scott2k would know (like the original shipping address).

OP, can you please sign this message "Today is 17 Aug 2022 and I am the owned of the account scott2k" from the address you sent OG the coins ?

Either to him in a PM and he can confirm or in this thread

But considering that he uses a single address for escrow one might assume your address is https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1qk8skrwwuegucy796gmfmfc7zxy0d0pll6aysk2

[masulum]

OP, can you please sign this message "Today is 17 Aug 2022 and I am the owned of the account scott2k" from the address you sent OG the coins ?

This might help to find out if the account was hacked, but it's not a guarantee that scammer will get the money back. In this position, we never understand, whether the user recieved the product or pretends to. Or the fact does not received. because, the account that communicated earlier was hacked, so it's hard to accept any excuses. So, even though he signed a message, OgNasty couldn't do anything because he had already provided services according to the policy he had.

- Receive escrow money,
- Buyer confirms receiving the goods
- Escrow is released to the seller.

So, in this case, the sign message will only tell us if the account has been hacked, not to demand responsibility from OgNasty to return the money, because that is no longer possible, and this is not ognasty fault.

[Rizzrack]

In this position, we never understand, whether the user recieved the product or pretends to... OgNasty couldn't do anything because he had already provided services according to the policy he had

....demand responsibility from OgNasty to return the money, because that is no longer possible, and this is not ognasty fault.

I didn't say it was OG's fault !

Just thought it would be a good idea for OP to prove he is the owner of the scott2k account in a more credible way, not just confirming some shipping addresses that anyone who had access to his account could probably see in the PMs

[OgNasty]

I was going to stay out of this until I remembered this.... SO.... I'll just leave it here, and you can all decide for yourselves who is the scammiest escrow around?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3160695.0;all

I was waiting for you to chime in here.  I thought it was a bit odd that suddenly an escrow drama blows up after you again start launching attacks on me.  Last time you started launching attacks on me via the trust network and posting lies there was the drama of the telegram impersonator which stopped completely once your Freudian slip of the tongue seemingly became an admission of guilt...  I wasn't going to bring up the timing of this, but it is suspect to say the least given your recent harassment and negative trust.  I have no evidence other than coincidence, but if the shoe fits...  I only hope this drama blows up enough for you to be worth the escrow fee it cost...

This should be moved to reputation so that I at least get paid for sig spam for engaging in what I believe to be manufactured forum drama.

[owlcatz]

I was going to stay out of this until I remembered this.... SO.... I'll just leave it here, and you can all decide for yourselves who is the scammiest escrow around?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3160695.0;all

I was waiting for you to chime in here.  I thought it was a bit odd that suddenly an escrow drama blows up after you again start launching attacks on me.  Last time you started launching attacks on me via the trust network and posting lies there was the drama of the telegram impersonator which stopped completely once your Freudian slip of the tongue seemingly became an admission of guilt...  I wasn't going to bring up the timing of this, but it is suspect to say the least given your recent harassment and negative trust.  I have no evidence other than coincidence, but if the shoe fits...  I only hope this drama blows up enough for you to be worth the escrow fee it cost...

This should be moved to reputation so that I at least get paid for sig spam for engaging in what I believe to be manufactured forum drama.

You failed to mention that you were the one that attacked me first just lately... I haven't mentioned your name in literally a year or two. I actually enjoy living in your head rent free it's kind of fun. I know it really annoys you that I'm on default trust but did you really have to try and get me kicked off the signature campaign for no reason? By the way you're the asshole not me, go back down to your basement and and keep typing shit posts for money.   Keep on scamming, it's what you do best! 🖕🖕🤣🤣


PS I love how you're some kind of amazing psychologist who can actually crystal ball things in your head... 🤣🤣🤣

https://imgur.com/i4Nros5

[OgNasty]

I was going to stay out of this until I remembered this.... SO.... I'll just leave it here, and you can all decide for yourselves who is the scammiest escrow around?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3160695.0;all

I was waiting for you to chime in here.  I thought it was a bit odd that suddenly an escrow drama blows up after you again start launching attacks on me.  Last time you started launching attacks on me via the trust network and posting lies there was the drama of the telegram impersonator which stopped completely once your Freudian slip of the tongue seemingly became an admission of guilt...  I wasn't going to bring up the timing of this, but it is suspect to say the least given your recent harassment and negative trust.  I have no evidence other than coincidence, but if the shoe fits...  I only hope this drama blows up enough for you to be worth the escrow fee it cost...

This should be moved to reputation so that I at least get paid for sig spam for engaging in what I believe to be manufactured forum drama.

You failed to mention that you were the one that attacked me first just lately... I haven't mentioned your name in literally a year or two. I actually enjoy living in your head rent free it's kind of fun. I know it really annoys you that I'm on default trust but did you really have to try and get me kicked off the signature campaign for no reason? By the way you're the asshole not me, go back down to your basement and and keep typing shit posts for money.   Keep on scamming, it's what you do best! 🖕🖕🤣🤣


PS I love how you're some kind of amazing psychologist who can actually crystal ball things in your head... 🤣🤣🤣

https://imgur.com/i4Nros5

Now that we’re all up to speed on what this actually was, seems like the thread can be closed.

[ryzaadit]

-snip-

Make sense.

Even "OG" asked for the shipping ID to the scammer, fake ID shipping can be sent and "OG" will release the fund anyway. Since the deal, was not included a check confirmation while the buyer received the package while he opened the package as well.
For @OP, my speculation is your account is getting targeted hacked while you're discussing with him. You can get "redirect phising site", the scammer send you message with "bitcointalk message" and redirect you to a phising site.You put account information on the phising site, is gonna tell you a wrong information but after phishing site will redirect you to the real one. So, once you put again is gonna to be success and he got your account information.

To be honest, to make a different "I was visiting the phising site" I using "Login forever". Once, you opened bitcointalk but with condition your account is not login then should aware more could be visiting a phising site.

[owlcatz]

Now that we’re all up to speed on what this actually was, seems like the thread can be closed.

LOL... Did you forget that this scam accusation isn't against me, nor did I open it, or have anything to do with it.

Your narcissism is in full effect, I love it! ... Deflect, claim to be the victim, blah blah blah blah - Funny how it's just like Mr. Steel isn't it? Hmm...

The most hilarious part is you have the balls to blame me for this (and that one) in some stupid inadvertent way, knowing full well I have zero to do with anything of that shit... I mean think about it, if I did, why would I announce it to the fuckin world here lol?

Damn, ok, so if you feel like taking it to reputation, feel free to make up some more fake shit about me like usual, I'm sure the community will ignore it as always, or just shitpost it to death.

I would like to add - It's quite amazing the amount of PM's I get from people who feel the same about you but don't have the fuckin balls to say anything on the forum, for fear of a "red mark" on their account....

PS - TMAN says hello!

[BetGalaxyADM]

My email is secured with 2fa.

It is very clear to me that only my BTT account has been accessed.


And part of the agreement was that I would verify the item was a legit, working, antminer L7…. So no matter what there is a security problem, and ultimately no password is secure without 2fa of some sort.

And also we know it was likely the “seller” who hacked because she just simply had the funds released to the wallet that the burky155 account provided.

That being said, he should have known something was not right when the guy said he would ship it within 3 days…. And that he would provide tracking once shipped (as I posted requiring him to post tracking in our group chat once he had it)…. And they tracking was never given, as well as Og seeming to not pay attention and going ahead and releasing the funds…. With haste too.

Interesting but not new it happens often, when you are “online” anything can be compromised. What if it’s not BTT but your email was compromised or may be your laptop is infected with a virus? Or may be someone known to “you” who knew your password?

Og is right how would he know if it’s “you”? Once your password is compromised means scammer now have access your message too so proving a shipping address proves nothing.

Your whole point revolves around not getting any tracking number, but this too can be framed very easily. What if scammer mailed you an empty box or may be a “brick” with a valid tracking id and when it’s delivered, funds released.

I’m just trying to show you that even a tracking id would have saved you.

In short in this case you can’t blame OgNasty. You should have been vigilant before transacting such big amount.

In this position, we never understand, whether the user recieved the product or pretends to... OgNasty couldn't do anything because he had already provided services according to the policy he had

....demand responsibility from OgNasty to return the money, because that is no longer possible, and this is not ognasty fault.

I didn't say it was OG's fault !

Just thought it would be a good idea for OP to prove he is the owner of the scott2k account in a more credible way, not just confirming some shipping addresses that anyone who had access to his account could probably see in the PMs

It’s just a wallet on exodus, if you can direct me to where I can go to sign a message, gladly. I also think forum mods can confirm it via my IP address. This is what I’m hoping can be used to grant access back to my personal account.

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[eddie13]

“And part of the agreement was that I would verify the item was a legit, working, antminer L7”

Post proof!

Post all communications including these agreements..

Almost done reading and will have more to say momentarily..


“
And also we know it was likely the “seller” who hacked because she just simply had the funds released to the wallet that the burky155 account provided.”

BS!
You could be both the buyer and seller here..
This could be all just YOU trying to create drama and possibly scam here..
You could be the scammer here..
Nothing is certain.. Yet..

BTW I really don’t appreciate you blaming this forum and all of your 2FA posting nonsense..
You fucked up..

This escrow deal wasn’t very secure in the first place!
Any escrow deal depending on only communication from an account/account ownership is less secure than it could be..

You ALL agreed to a less than secure deal in the first place..
Less secure than possible at least..
This is very common, but not as secure as it could have been..



“Owner Of Betgalaxy.io Profit-Sharing Casino”

You own a crypto casino and don’t even know how to secure an escrow deal?
Lazy..

Very suspicious..


If you all wanted to engage in a more secure escrow transaction NONE of you should be accepting ANY communication that isn’t/wasn’t cryptographically signed with a bitcoin/crypto address or PGP..
Relying on a forum account as proof of identity is lazy.. (common with smaller deals like this, $10k is a modest sized deal but not massive)

If I was to escrow deals like this NO agreements or directions such as releases would happen without every single last critical instruction and contract all being signed every time other than blockchain proofs such as TX IDs..


OP do you have any proofs of your communications at all?


Should this be moved to scam accusations?
This situation needs many serious eyes on it..
And for all involved to stay on topic..

[BetGalaxyADM]

So I stole my own money and am coming here just to make a stink? For what? Boredom? I mean if I made some request that OG refund me the $11,500 or something then maybe I could understand your BS claim here... but I have not once asked him to return my money... I'm not an idiot, I know that money is gone forever.

No, this is a old work account who I was a moderator for, and I had access to, to reply to support questions when they came in. My personal account is the one that got compromised, I used this account to try to quickly stop what was taking place.

I will post proof just as soon as I regain access to the account.

While I do agree now knowing what I know, the escrow deal could have have more secure terms... but isn't this exactly what I PAY FOR THE SERVICE FOR? Why didn't Og notify me "Hey, based on my expertise, this doesn't seem very secure. I recommend adding this... or that" Yeah maybe it's not his entire responsibility to do so, but it shows exactly how lazy he is at his job.... and people should know this. Part of getting a escrower is you expect them to help you to avoid such pitfalls.

And sure, we will find out if I did get phished or something, but that being said, it is still completely ludicrous that this website does not offer 2fa when it offers massive marketplace services and other things that really require account security to be strong. I think it is hard to argue this. And there is really no reason for it. It is a free service google provides and other providers provide as well... and it is usually very easy to integrate, although I admit I wouldn't know since I have no experience with this forum framework from a development standpoint.

Sure - you are right I guess we should have used more security... but my point still remains the same... the escrow agent should have detected this and atleast alerted that he felt the deal was not secure for the seller or buyer or both.

Yes I have plenty of proof, it's just only viewable in my email account. The scott2k account is locked, I have emailed to request access be granted back. Waiting to hear back, and if I get back in I will gladly prove to you that I am infact Scott2k... Og knows I am scott2k because I gave him the original shipping address in the private messages during the original dealing.

I agree... this situation needs A LOT OF EYES ON IT THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT!

“And part of the agreement was that I would verify the item was a legit, working, antminer L7”

Post proof!

Post all communications including these agreements..

Almost done reading and will have more to say momentarily..


“
And also we know it was likely the “seller” who hacked because she just simply had the funds released to the wallet that the burky155 account provided.”

BS!
You could be both the buyer and seller here..
This could be all just YOU trying to create drama and possibly scam here..
You could be the scammer here..
Nothing is certain.. Yet..

BTW I really don’t appreciate you blaming this forum and all of your 2FA posting nonsense..
You fucked up..

This escrow deal wasn’t very secure in the first place!
Any escrow deal depending on only communication from an account/account ownership is less secure than it could be..

You ALL agreed to a less than secure deal in the first place..
Less secure than possible at least..
This is very common, but not as secure as it could have been..



“Owner Of Betgalaxy.io Profit-Sharing Casino”

You own a crypto casino and don’t even know how to secure an escrow deal?
Lazy..

Very suspicious..


If you all wanted to engage in a more secure escrow transaction NONE of you should be accepting ANY communication that isn’t/wasn’t cryptographically signed with a bitcoin/crypto address or PGP..
Relying on a forum account as proof of identity is lazy.. (common with smaller deals like this, $10k is a modest sized deal but not massive)

If I was to escrow deals like this NO agreements or directions such as releases would happen without every single last critical instruction and contract all being signed every time other than blockchain proofs such as TX IDs..


OP do you have any proofs of your communications at all?


Should this be moved to scam accusations?
This situation needs many serious eyes on it..
And for all involved to stay on topic..

[eddie13]

Yea you could just be stirring up shit..

Getting your account back may not help you at all because whoever has it can delete everything..

Post what you have..

This forum doesn’t offer much of anything other than a place for people to write posts.. This is not the forums fault at all.. So stop that..

Dealing like this only relying on account communication isn’t unusual and is pretty secure, because users that make big deals usually keep their account secure..
If your going to rely on the security of your account, keep your account secure..

If you want real security don’t rely on your account, rely on your keys..
Cold keys would be best..

You better change the passwords on all of your accounts..
Like right now..

[BetGalaxyADM]

Well... I am hoping that won't be the case. (about them deleting everything... and if they have, I will ask the person who gets me access back to roll back those deletions... it should be possible... if not my lawyer will get it ).

In either case, I can prove it by sending bitcoin out of that same wallet again, that wallet clearly goes to Og and then clearly goes back out to another user.

That alone right there proves that a big transaction took place.

And also the simple fact that Og was in here already replying to me and confirming that he released the funds because the authorized account said it was alright to do so.

I am not going to post screenshots from my personal email account of the PM's we had over the past weeks during this dealing... that will reveal sensitive personal information about me that I am not going to show to the world... I will however send out a small transaction from that wallet should anyone want me to prove I own that wallet. If that's something you want me to do, just let me know. I will send it to an address I post in a post here right before doing it.

And, thanks for the advice   - every other platform where I maybe use that password has 2fa, so I'm good.  


Edit:

I will also add this, if I regain access and am able to look back at old messages and do discover that I got phish linked or something like this... I will of course come here and report that. It will make me a lot less mad at Og over it, but nothing changes with the fact that it's fairly appalling that this website doesn't have 2fa or even email check or something when connecting from a first time IP address.. just some extra layer of security... and I also would still be partly mad at Og for not being a very good escrow provider and detecting the security holes in the deal. I'm not the expert, he is. I paid him to be that expert for the transaction to go through securely. Didn't get what I paid for.

Yea you could just be stirring up shit..

Getting your account back may not help you at all because whoever has it can delete everything..

Post what you have..

This forum doesn’t offer much of anything other than a place for people to write posts.. This is not the forums fault at all.. So stop that..

Dealing like this only relying on account communication isn’t unusual and is pretty secure, because users that make big deals usually keep their account secure..
If your going to rely on the security of your account, keep your account secure..

If you want real security don’t rely on your account, rely on your keys..
Cold keys would be best..

You better change the passwords on all of your accounts..
Like right now..

[eddie13]

Good luck with your lawyer I guess..

This forum is not a hand holding forum (2FA)
It is not a lawyers or governments hand holding forum either..
If you can’t explicitly prove that account was yours, you probably aren’t getting it or anything out of it..

The users here are much more skilled at figuring out what happened than 99% of lawyers or their “experts” are anyway..

[BetGalaxyADM]

Good luck with your lawyer I guess..

This forum is not a hand holding forum (2FA)
It is not a lawyers or governments hand holding forum either..
If you can’t explicitly prove that account was yours, you probably aren’t getting it or anything out of it..

The users here are much more skilled at figuring out what happened than 99% of lawyers or their “experts” are anyway..

Owning the email address the account was created on explicitly proves that I am the owner of the account that was created with it.

[Rizzrack]

It’s just a wallet on exodus, if you can direct me to where I can go to sign a message, gladly. I also think forum mods can confirm it via my IP address. This is what I’m hoping can be used to grant access back to my personal account.

Import the seed phrase in Electrum and you can sign it

And follow the steps in this thread to recover your own account https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5089777

[BetGalaxyADM]

It’s just a wallet on exodus, if you can direct me to where I can go to sign a message, gladly. I also think forum mods can confirm it via my IP address. This is what I’m hoping can be used to grant access back to my personal account.

Import the seed phrase in Electrum and you can sign it

And follow the steps in this thread to recover your own account https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5089777

Ohh awesome... I thought I was going to have to download the entire bitcoin-core chain data.

And yes, already sent the email off

Thank you!

It’s just a wallet on exodus, if you can direct me to where I can go to sign a message, gladly. I also think forum mods can confirm it via my IP address. This is what I’m hoping can be used to grant access back to my personal account.

Import the seed phrase in Electrum and you can sign it

And follow the steps in this thread to recover your own account https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5089777

Message:
August 17, 2022 - BTCTalk Verification. I am scott2k / BetgalaxyADM.

Address:
bc1qk8skrwwuegucy796gmfmfc7zxy0d0pll6aysk2

Signature:
HwV8IdYdgE+Ksktqy/16fkYo/+2qBW3wLavK1qye1irgV9aBHqzj6/qArVfilQDAMQznY21Y9VofI6MPLYWBg/Y=

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[MoparMiningLLC]

I have reviewed several cases similar - being granted access to all involved parties dm's - even when some were deleted by one of the involved parties (if one side is deleted but the other side kept it, then they are still there) and what is the same each time is this:

1. person being scammed receives a dm with a link that appears to be a thread in the forums
2. user receiving the dm clicks the link - gets a page that "looks" like forums and requires them to re-log in
3. at this point user has just given their pw to the scammer
4. scammer agrees to use escrow
5. scammer sends message from hacked account to escrow to release funds
6. scammer gets paid
7. user gets nothing
8. escrow gets blamed

This is not the fault of the escrow. maybe it could be solved if the escrows require a signed message from the buyer before releasing funds - for the scammer to do that would require that they also compromised the buyers private keys.

The problem here is that many users sadly use exchange accounts or dont know how to sign a message.

[BetGalaxyADM]

This does sound like it could be the case, and if/when I get back into the scott2k account then I hopefully will be able to discover that once and for all... and of course if it is the case then I will apologize to Og for publicly insinuating that he is possibly involved in the scam (as I did a few times here, but the posts may have gotten deleted).

I am still rather upset that he as the expert professional who I paid and hired for the job... didn't provide me any sort of advice or do anything to make it even remotely difficult for the scammer to accomplish this. That is what bothers me. It shows a complete lack of caring or desire to actually do a good job. Especially with a large sum of money like that. Just willy nilly'd it away.

I have reviewed several cases similar - being granted access to all involved parties dm's - even when some were deleted by one of the involved parties (if one side is deleted but the other side kept it, then they are still there) and what is the same each time is this:

1. person being scammed receives a dm with a link that appears to be a thread in the forums
2. user receiving the dm clicks the link - gets a page that "looks" like forums and requires them to re-log in
3. at this point user has just given their pw to the scammer
4. scammer agrees to use escrow
5. scammer sends message from hacked account to escrow to release funds
6. scammer gets paid
7. user gets nothing
8. escrow gets blamed

This is not the fault of the escrow. maybe it could be solved if the escrows require a signed message from the buyer before releasing funds - for the scammer to do that would require that they also compromised the buyers private keys.

The problem here is that many users sadly use exchange accounts or dont know how to sign a message.