hZti engaged in account trade and reported me

[AccountsLegend]

Hi All,

Good Morning

It’s a thread against hZti,who asked me for the account to buy.After huge arguments,he asked me the account at cheap.I had strongly refused to sell at low price.Then he had threatened me by sharing the chat between us.I had said him,you can what you can.Then he reported some of my accounts and some not shared accounts.

I am here for the Justice.Yes ,I am account seller.But being the account seller ,I need to punish!!?


And the person who asked the account to buy was SET Free!?

I requested the DT member to tag this person for the act of involving in account trade.

The thread he used to report me

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404539

Important one is not all the accounts he had mentioned is mine.

Tag this guy for engaging in account deal


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=156723

NEED JUSTICE



Regards

AccountsLegend

[Z-tight]

I requested the DT member to tag this person for the act of involving in account trade.

hZti in his report said that he contacted you only to find out more about those behind the account sales, and the accounts that were up for sale so he could expose them, account sales are not encouraged, and you know if truly hZti wanted to buy an account from you, then he would not go ahead to expose the entire deal and the accounts involved to put himself in danger. I will take out a snippet to show you his intentions:

But these offers made me think: What if users would pretend to be interested in buying an account and therefore could uncover what accounts they are being offered by the accountseller. This way it would be easy to uncover what accounts are being sold!
So that is what I did and the result was rather overwhelming. I replied to an offer of user “Accountslegend” on Telegram.

[examplens]

I am here for the Justice.Yes ,I am account seller.But being the account seller ,I need to punish!!?

Is that all?
I would suggest you find all account sellers, to associate maybe in some kind of union and legally seek justice for you. if all account sellers rebelled here, with all their accounts from stock, I believe that it could not go unnoticed and they would surely get the justice they deserved.
I encourage you for this, you have my support.

[yahoo62278]

I requested the DT member to tag this person for the act of involving in account trade.

hZti in his report said that he contacted you only to find out more about those behind the account sales, and the accounts that were up for sale so he could expose them, account sales are not encouraged, and you know if truly hZti wanted to buy an account from you, then he would not go ahead to expose the entire deal and the accounts involved to put himself in danger. I will take out a snippet to show you his intentions:

But these offers made me think: What if users would pretend to be interested in buying an account and therefore could uncover what accounts they are being offered by the accountseller. This way it would be easy to uncover what accounts are being sold!
So that is what I did and the result was rather overwhelming. I replied to an offer of user “Accountslegend” on Telegram.

Did we get the real story from hZti or did we get the this guy wouldn't sell me accounts cheap so i'm gonna make up a story to try and make myself look good? Really it could be either case just as this guy might be pissed someone tried exposing him or he might be telling the truth. He's obviously already tagged as an account seller, so why make up this story?

[Pandu Geddon]

hZti only pretends to make offers on the accounts you sell. (according to the story).
because we do not know whether he was indeed involved in buying and selling accounts or not.
unless you can provide evidence that hZti has indeed purchased an account from you or from your friends who may have experience in transacting with hZti.

OP I know you're mad at hZti for publishing it all. but when you ask a DT member to tag it, I guess that's not enough reason.

[Z-tight]

Did we get the real story from hZti or did we get the this guy wouldn't sell me accounts cheap so i'm gonna make up a story to try and make myself look good? Really it could be either case just as this guy might be pissed someone tried exposing him or he might be telling the truth. He's obviously already tagged as an account seller, so why make up this story?

You have a point there, and the case now seems more complicated and impossible to say who is telling the truth. Where can we draw the line in this kind of case? I think members should not go that far in trying to expose an account seller because it may taint their reputation, for example you try to buy an account to expose the account seller, and while the investigation is still ongoing, the account seller reports you here as an account buyer, it will be difficult to prove your innocence, especially when you are not a member that is known to be trusted in the forum.

[DaveF]

Just putting it out there, if you are going to do your own investigation, reach out to a trusted forum member and in a PM give them the signature for a signed message with a date / time in it.

This way you can come back later and give the message.
So if I was doing it someone would get:

Address: 1DiRVLKx3V6jpHqFNKqzmuuNq6vGPjHKFx
Signature: HP62waYZGVnbdhpd8xHWOLB/yMoVsT9lzDCk7mtAd7hCY/VWUe4Om6y4nsBCtFBBujsxxgmpCOgUMNPMV1Dmu1Y=

At a later date, once I have attempted to do it good I can send them:

I am DaveF and I am going to attemt to buy accounts from user XYZ it is 7:40AM on 18-Aug-22

This way there is proof as to what you are doing. Or if you want to do it yourself, post the address and signature and use one of the forum archives like loyce.club to prove that you did not change it after the fact.

-Dave

[NeuroticFish]

Tag this guy for engaging in account deal

Since something like what DaveF has just posted was not done, at least as far as I know, it's your word against his word.
And, if I want to tell in a completely impartial way, your word will weight less since you are an account seller and his trust rating looks pretty good; also he has a solid case, posted almost 2 months ago (I mean, even he trying to lower prices may or may not have been part of a strategy to look like a legit buyer).

So you have no chance at all. However, I'm a bit surprised that you care about all this since selling accounts seems to be your main business.

[examplens]

Did we get the real story from hZti or did we get the this guy wouldn't sell me accounts cheap so i'm gonna make up a story to try and make myself look good? Really it could be either case just as this guy might be pissed someone tried exposing him or he might be telling the truth. He's obviously already tagged as an account seller, so why make up this story?

hZti exposed several accounts from this group and managed by OP, AccountsLegend. Now all those accounts are worthless because I assume they are all flagged as risky due to a change of ownership.
I believe that revenge is a sufficient reason for starting this story.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Tag this guy for engaging in account deal

Sorry you weren't smart enough,  so you were outsmarted, I already read hZti's post and from it all,  I can tell he played a fast one on you and unfortunately,  you are exposed.
Your ranting here, seeking revenge isn't going to get you anywhere and I can assure you that hZti isn't going to get any tag,  atleast, not for this reason,  he did what he did to expose you, it is you and the entire accounts you've put for sale that should be given more tags,  maybe this can serve as a lesson to every other account farmers out there.

[logfiles]

It’s a thread against hZti,who asked me for the account to buy.After huge arguments,he asked me the account at cheap.I had strongly refused to sell at low price.Then he had threatened me by sharing the chat between us.I had said him,you can what you can.Then he reported some of my accounts and some not shared accounts.

You think we are fools here to believe every word you just said there? Nope, you are mistaken. Post all the conversation screenshots and we see.

There were a lot of probably stolen or hacked accounts that were discovered and tagged, and I think because of that pain, you are trying to seek out revenge.

[decodx]

Did we get the real story from hZti or did we get the this guy wouldn't sell me accounts cheap so i'm gonna make up a story to try and make myself look good? Really it could be either case just as this guy might be pissed someone tried exposing him or he might be telling the truth. He's obviously already tagged as an account seller, so why make up this story?

hZti exposed several accounts from this group and managed by OP, AccountsLegend. Now all those accounts are worthless because I assume they are all flagged as risky due to a change of ownership.
I believe that revenge is a sufficient reason for starting this story.

I agree. Whatever his reasons were, hZti exposed this guy as an account seller and exposed his alt accounts, which is why this guy is now pissed and wants revenge. If he had posted first, the situation would probably be in his favor.

AccountsLegend, I know you're pissed at hZti for exposing you, but he won't be tagged for it. Let this be a lesson to you: It doesn't pay to farm accounts.

[eddie13]

Just putting it out there, if you are going to do your own investigation, reach out to a trusted forum member and in a PM give them the signature for a signed message with a date / time in it.

This way you can come back later and give the message.
So if I was doing it someone would get:

Address: 1DiRVLKx3V6jpHqFNKqzmuuNq6vGPjHKFx
Signature: HP62waYZGVnbdhpd8xHWOLB/yMoVsT9lzDCk7mtAd7hCY/VWUe4Om6y4nsBCtFBBujsxxgmpCOgUMNPMV1Dmu1Y=

At a later date, once I have attempted to do it good I can send them:

I am DaveF and I am going to attemt to buy accounts from user XYZ it is 7:40AM on 18-Aug-22

This way there is proof as to what you are doing. Or if you want to do it yourself, post the address and signature and use one of the forum archives like loyce.club to prove that you did not change it after the fact.

-Dave

I'm not so sure..
Sting operations you know... Don't always turn out the best.


Address: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Signature: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

"I eddie13 am goin to pen test minerjones's escrow operation and see if I can help to harden his practices"

Try to scam him..
Get caught..
"Oh I was just trying to help! See my signed message!"




Those evil evil account sellers!!
They all deserve the death penalty..
Right guys?

[yahoo62278]

I would be ok with account sales if the account being bought/sold got their trust reset upon changing hands. Unfortunately that doesn't happen and is 1 reason an account could demand a decent price.

[DaveF]

Just putting it out there, if you are going to do your own investigation, reach out to a trusted forum member and in a PM give them the signature for a signed message with a date / time in it.

This way you can come back later and give the message.
So if I was doing it someone would get:

Address: 1DiRVLKx3V6jpHqFNKqzmuuNq6vGPjHKFx
Signature: HP62waYZGVnbdhpd8xHWOLB/yMoVsT9lzDCk7mtAd7hCY/VWUe4Om6y4nsBCtFBBujsxxgmpCOgUMNPMV1Dmu1Y=

At a later date, once I have attempted to do it good I can send them:

I am DaveF and I am going to attemt to buy accounts from user XYZ it is 7:40AM on 18-Aug-22

This way there is proof as to what you are doing. Or if you want to do it yourself, post the address and signature and use one of the forum archives like loyce.club to prove that you did not change it after the fact.

-Dave

I'm not so sure..
Sting operations you know... Don't always turn out the best.


Address: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Signature: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

"I eddie13 am goin to pen test minerjones's escrow operation and see if I can help to harden his practices"

Try to scam him..
Get caught..
"Oh I was just trying to help! See my signed message!"




Those evil evil account sellers!!
They all deserve the death penalty..
Right guys?

I was thinking of a more narrow scope of what was being discussed here. (account sales)

But, if you contacted a couple of trusted forum members with a reason why you think MJ was not doing things securely, and told them what / how you were doing what you were going to do I would not have an issue with it.

Just my opinion here so.....

It is also a matter of 'level' you and I have both been here a while have decent trust and feedback. BUT I have not been scambusting or going after account sellers or anything like that. And, as far as I can see neither have you. So we would have to come up with a much more detailed reason of doing what we would be doing then someone who has dug into people doing 'bad' things. I would let some members who have found some real issues with what others are doing slide a bit more on proof then us who have not. Everyone obviously has their own level of comfort.

-Dave

[eddie13]

I would be ok with account sales if the account being bought/sold got their trust reset upon changing hands. Unfortunately that doesn't happen and is 1 reason an account could demand a decent price.

This thread made me think a lot about starting a thread to discuss the risk/benefits, pros/cons of account sales, but their are so many points to make, refute, and concur with that it will require a large amount of effort to start with so many subtopics to touch on..

Besides the obvious economical benefits in sheer GDP and untapped value of this forum, interest in this forum it would generate, increasing the actual use of cryptocurrency in our community, thriving lending environment, etc., I believe a good case could be made that account sales do a lot to lessen petty theft/scams and misbehavior that dont have much deterrent without account value..  

It used to be pretty easy to determine that an account could be trusted a certain amount due to the sheer fact that only an imbecile would scam for an amount less than their account is worth and therefore destroy that value..

No collateral loans for maybe 50% of account value, account collateral loans for maybe 80% of account value with signed message proving ownership and the right to liquidate said account (look how long lenders don't even tag for defaulted loans anymore because they will loose all hope of recovering, even keep it secret in hope), you could go fist in trade with other accounts up to a certain amount of the accounts value and generally trust the deal, etc, etc..

OP, why did you wait so long to tag him?

2 years to tag a defaulted loan in waiting for ALL hope to be lost..

Remember? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1142314.0

I would be ok with account sales if the account being bought/sold got their trust reset upon changing hands. Unfortunately that doesn't happen and is 1 reason an account could demand a decent price.

A neutral tag "This account was sold 08/18/2022"..
All could see old feedback was not the same user..


Here I am risking a lot of distrust for even mentioning the possibility of their possibly being positive aspects of account sales..

[NeuroticFish]

"I eddie13 am goin to pen test minerjones's escrow operation and see if I can help to harden his practices"

Try to scam him..
Get caught..
"Oh I was just trying to help! See my signed message!"

Interesting point, I didn't think of this. And you may be indeed right. And we're back to square one: the words of user 1 vs the words of user 2; and their trust rating and so on. The one with better trust and better case will win even if he has actually been trying to scam.

[dkbit98]

It’s a thread against hZti,who asked me for the account to buy.After huge arguments,he asked me the account at cheap.I had strongly refused to sell at low price.Then he had threatened me by sharing the chat between us.I had said him,you can what you can.Then he reported some of my accounts and some not shared accounts.

Why don't you share screenshots of that conversation?
It would be nice to see what higher ranked accounts you are offering to sell.

I would be ok with account sales if the account being bought/sold got their trust reset upon changing hands. Unfortunately that doesn't happen and is 1 reason an account could demand a decent price.

That also means that accounts with negative feedback probably can't be sold, or they can be sold to shady gambling websites like 1xbit and adkinsomething, and than used for promotion.
Trust reset would be interesting to have in theory but it's impossible to work properly in real life, and you can't track what everyone is doing with their accounts.
I guess we could add a rule that all trust is put on hold if account is inactive for longer amounts of time, and after that reset can be activate.