ETH diff bomb what can a miner do?

[a1 Hashrate LLC2022]

Please note I am philipma1957's alt. I formed an LLC with forum member buysolar this year.

Thus this new account.




Well according to wenmerge.com the diff bomb is due in sept

9/13/2022. This date is drifting it was as early as 9/6/2022 it is now 9/13/2022

 The drifting to a later date is because miners are leaving ETH and switching to ETC and other pools.

The diff for eth has dropped and this slows the bomb date.

I have started to move my 10.2 gh on eth to etc

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As we all know eth pays better than etc

on viabtc.com

eth pays 0.0243 cents an mh
etc pays 0.0132 cents an mh


so a full switch from eth to etc is going to cost usd value daily.

but what does a partial switch do?

First it lowers the ETH diff. Yeah I pulled 1.3 gh off my eth and moved it to etc  did I really move the diff a lot all by myself? answer is nope, but lets look at eth hashrate last week

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That is around 920-970

[Pterosaur]

What's your gain if people delay this? Are you saying every miner needs to do the same? I want the bomb or merge to happen but it seems like miners are scared of what to come because I don't understand why they want this delayed.

[a1 Hashrate LLC2022]

What's your gain if people delay this? Are you saying every miner needs to do the same? I want the bomb or merge to happen but it seems like miners are scared of what to come because I don't understand why they want this delayed.

Because you make more money as a miner if you push it out a month to oct.

I earned a bit less eth so far.
I earn etc which does not quite make up for the eth lost.

but by doing a delay to Oct 10 vs Sept 10

I earn more eth for those 30 days

the diff bomb hits 30 days later.

If I earn

240 usd  daily in eth from now to sept 10
   0 usd  daily in eth from now to sept 10 it is about 4800 usd in eth


if I slowly shift to etc

I earn say 200 usd a day  in eth  from now to sept 10 . so 20 x 200 = 4000
I earn say  20 usd a day in etc from now to sept 10.  so 20 x 20 = 400

net is 4400 which is worse than 4800. people see this and think wtf am I talking about.

but the bomb does not hit sept 10 this way maybe it hits sept 20 or sept 30

if it hits sept 30. this is 20 more days of earning 200 + 20 = 4400

vs a bomb and maybe very little earnings at all.

I will study the math more I simply think it is a better method than

 eth eth eth eth bomb etc

cost is not a lot 20 usd  a day for me  and I have 10.2gh involved.

[igotek]

Not understand what u're saying.

Eth mining is better than ETC now.
I have 29GH ethash mining power and I will switch them to ETC in 15 Sept.
Everything is ready to siwtch, wallet and different flşght sheets for different GPUs.
I switch to ETC because the OC settings will be the same. The easiest way to switch to another coin mining for my 62 rigs.

I dont mine ETC right now because its not so profitable.
I think ETC price will rise after ETH pos migration. So, I bought some ETC after selling some ETH.
This way is more profitable.

WHY do you switching to ETC now ?

[swogerino]

Not understand what u're saying.

Eth mining is better than ETC now.
I have 29GH ethash mining power and I will switch them to ETC in 15 Sept.
Everything is ready to siwtch, wallet and different flşght sheets for different GPUs.
I switch to ETC because the OC settings will be the same. The easiest way to switch to another coin mining for my 62 rigs.

I dont mine ETC right now because its not so profitable.
I think ETC price will rise after ETH pos migration. So, I bought some ETC after selling some ETH.
This way is more profitable.

WHY do you switching to ETC now ?

I have already switched my mining rigs to ETC as I believe when the ETH mining will end,we can see an artificial increase in price of ETC in the beginning and soon after some time have passed not again artificial but natural of price increase of ETC if a lot of ETH hash rate is moved to ETC so that is a good move.I have done so,switched from ETH to ETC since when they announced for real the merge and the moving to PoS in early August,there is nothing to do in Ethereum mining now,I do not care for like 35 dollars less monthly I will get by mining ETC,those 35 dollars less maybe much more when ETC increases in price,that is why it can be considered a good move to switch to ETC mining,beside easing somewhat the Ethereum network which can delay a bit the difficulty bomb.

Another good reason is that people who have already 4 GB cards can attach them to their powerful rigs thus providing more hash rate (of course at a bit more energy consumption as a cost).

[a1 Hashrate LLC2022]

Not understand what u're saying.

Eth mining is better than ETC now.
I have 29GH ethash mining power and I will switch them to ETC in 15 Sept.
Everything is ready to siwtch, wallet and different flşght sheets for different GPUs.
I switch to ETC because the OC settings will be the same. The easiest way to switch to another coin mining for my 62 rigs.

I dont mine ETC right now because its not so profitable.
I think ETC price will rise after ETH pos migration. So, I bought some ETC after selling some ETH.
This way is more profitable.

WHY do you switching to ETC now ?

Because you have the ability to flex your mining muscle and you are choosing to not flex it.

You have 29gh

Move to

25gh eth
  4gh etc

If every one does this we shift the difficulty bomb by 1 week or 2 weeks or 3 weeks.

lets analzye this in your case

29gh is 29000 mh or 290 x 2.51 = $729.00 usd  a day for 20 days = $14558  if do nothing

or

25gh is 25000 mh or 250 x 2.51 = $627.50 usd a day for 20 days = $12550 and
 4gh is 4000 mh or  40 x 1.40 =.   $  56.00 usd a day for 20 days = $  1120
                                                                                     total = $13670

so you see 14558 vs 13670 you say I lose $888 usd.


But your case bomb hits brings us a total unknown

my case bomb has not hit brings us more status quo


I know damn full well that with 29gh you want more status quo.

So you would risk $888 and keep status quo for 1 ,2 ,3 maybe 4 weeks.

It also shows that miners can fully affect eth and delay the diff bomb.

If timed correctly a big shift from eth to etc prior to the bomb stalls the eth chain

To me its worth a shot talking about.

we are on epoch 512 epoch 513 comes in 15 hours so in 16 hours a large shift in eth hash will stall the eth chain. We should look into doing this.

Mr V has epoch every 30000 blocks

So epoch 513 comes in about 15 hours on block number 15,390,000 so say that is aug 22 at 7am EST


normally it takes about 100 hours to get to epoch 514 block number 15,420,000 and this would be Aug 26 at 11am EST but a good drop in hash between aug 22 and aug 26 may stretch the 100 hours to 110 hours. or 120 hours.

Very simple way to do it is shift some of your ETH to ETC


Do it for 2 epochs about 200 hours time  or 8 days or do it for more.

I will post my next change tommorrow. around 9 am

[adaseb]

Isn’t the merge suppose to happen on a given block number. So if many miners move to ETC the difficulty readjusts fairly quickly and it’ll still be pretty close to sept 15.

The way the difficulty bomb works is that every block the difficulty is increased whether or not the hash power has increased. So even if people leave ETH the hashrate will go down and difficulty will readjust to maintain 15 sec block times and difficulty bomb will still cause a small increase. Unless I am making a mistake somewhere.

[igotek]

Got it. Switching 4GB to ETC right now to support your idea.

[BitKongy]

Stocking with Ethereum for now and after I will go for Ethereum Classic, or start mining Flux till 2023 gets here, I believe we still need better projects with PoW algorithm, many that are out now are not doing fine, I only see Ergo, Flux and Ravencoin. 🤦‍♀️

[a1 Hashrate LLC2022]

just boosted the etc up to 2.08g








In a hundred hours next epoch will be here I will boost to etc 3gb

[rdluffy]

So you did a thread to promote the delay

I don't have a huge number of GPUs, I'm under 1Ghs haha, but I'll move some Hashrate to ETC too, right now I'm full ETH via Ethermine receiving in Polygon Network
I used to mine ETC a long time ago, I think in 2017-2018 I mined some full coins of ETC but sold after that.

It will be an interesting experience if we can delay the bomb some days, everyone will notice this haha, and I'll be happy to have some more days to accumulate more ETH

[philipma1957]

So you did a thread to promote the delay

I don't have a huge number of GPUs, I'm under 1Ghs haha, but I'll move some Hashrate to ETC too, right now I'm full ETH via Ethermine receiving in Polygon Network
I used to mine ETC a long time ago, I think in 2017-2018 I mined some full coins of ETC but sold after that.

It will be an interesting experience if we can delay the bomb some days, everyone will notice this haha, and I'll be happy to have some more days to accumulate more ETH

yeah it moved 1 day since thread opened.

goal would be to move it at least 5 days.


871.45TH/. eth for last 7 days


33.15TH/ . eth for last 7 days.

[JayDDee]

Isn’t the merge suppose to happen on a given block number. So if many miners move to ETC the difficulty readjusts fairly quickly and it’ll still be pretty close to sept 15.

The way the difficulty bomb works is that every block the difficulty is increased whether or not the hash power has increased. So even if people leave ETH the hashrate will go down and difficulty will readjust to maintain 15 sec block times and difficulty bomb will still cause a small increase. Unless I am making a mistake somewhere.

You're spot on. Difficulty & hashrate are corelated maintaining a fairly constant average block time.
Moving hash from ETH to ETC will affect both, ETH rewards will increase, ETC will decrease.
The tail is tryng to wag the dog, it won't work. Only the contrarians, those who exploit the reduced ETH difficulty, will benefit.

[Grim]

It's quite funny that miners don't know their "shit".

[adaseb]

Because I remember when ETH forked and ETC was born. The difficulty was extremely high for ETH when it forked. However unlike Bitcoins difficulty retarget, it didn't take that long for the difficulty to adjust and for the chain to survive and was at first only mined by a handful of miners. So the way they coded the difficulty retarget was so the network can still function if a huge portion of the hashrate is decreased.

So looking at https://etherscan.io/chart/blocktime
it seems that the block times are fairly close to the average even with the hashrate that is leaving the network.

[philipma1957]

Isn’t the merge suppose to happen on a given block number. So if many miners move to ETC the difficulty readjusts fairly quickly and it’ll still be pretty close to sept 15.

The way the difficulty bomb works is that every block the difficulty is increased whether or not the hash power has increased. So even if people leave ETH the hashrate will go down and difficulty will readjust to maintain 15 sec block times and difficulty bomb will still cause a small increase. Unless I am making a mistake somewhere.

you don't want to move all your hash from eth to etc.

I and now 8.4gh eth and 2.3 gh etc

the bomb is coming in sept say 13-15 look at wenmerge.com

they have a countdown

I am merely suggesting we can shift the bomb out 7-14 days.

I also am setting grounds for etc to be more prepped hash wise

Ie 600th for eth and 400th for etc on the diff  bomb day is better and would create less of a shock

right now it is not close to 600-300

it is more like 870-35.

Eth does quick diff adjustments to speed blocks and really try to get 100 hours and 30000 blocks

there are many adjustments in that 100 hours. but it still slows network down.

Standing pat 100% eth dies on sept 13-15

then switch all to etc.

I get that idea and frankly think it is so short sighted it's sad.


It show desperation on the part of miners.

Deliberately leaving ETH before ETH leaves us shows support for etc and creates more  value in etc.

Most eth pos supporters don't understand that 25 million a day in earning will vanish and the replacement is 3 million a day in delayed interest.

A sane miner would leave ship somewhat ahead of the rush.

But hey reality is they will drop the bomb whether it is sept 13 or sept 30

But I am already earning etc and supporting the network.

if we slow up the bomb by slowly pulling our hash to etc it will only be a week tops.


see what was done in june.
we did 15 second blocks

I want us to go from current 12.5 cents closer to the 15 second ones. like we did in june.

[cudapop]

Please note that the Eth core devs have a contingency in place to account for hashrate changes which can affect the merge timing.

The actual merge is triggered by a TTD (total terminal difficulty) value is set in the code, this value is the difficulty of the entire Eth network up to that point in time which when it reaches a specific value triggers the merge to occur.

Due to fluctuations in hashrate (i.e. 5GB DAG size affecting some asics, miners moving on/off the network, etc.) the core devs have included a TTD override switch in the code. This allows the node operators to on-the-fly update the TTD value to a new number to account for hashrate fluctuations such that the merge still occurs around a desired date (i.e. Sep 15 or thereabouts).

The idea is that the core devs are continuously monitoring the hashrate and if it fluctuates to a point were it will affect the merge date to an undesired degree, the devs will publish a TTD override value which node operators will then use to update their nodes and thus adjust the merge timing to account for the hashrate fluctuation.

[FP91G]

I also think that the drop in the ethereum hash rate was due to the fact that 5 GB asics switched to mining ethereum classic, because their memory does not allow mining ethereum.
We can delay the Ethereum mining end date a little, but what will it give us? Algorithmic miners will direct the hashrate of video cards to mining more profitable coins. I will lose profit, and nicehash miners will earn it