Need Community Feedback About Exposing Old Accounts

[Crypt0S0ul]

Well, I have a few questions about exposing some old accounts that look like they changed hands. I've exposed two accounts, and I believe there are a few more accounts around us. We don't notice them because they don't want to contribute anything to this forum except gambling discussion. Only they want money, so they only post on gambling discussions.

No 1. Should I expose accounts that already have negative feedback for a different reason? For example, An Account changed hands and participated in the 1xBet Signature campaign. Due to this, the account already got tagged. Does it worth creating another thread and proving that the account changed hands? Since the account doesn't care about reputation and participated in the 1xBet campaign, and already got tagged. People unlikely to trust them and I don't think people will do any deals with them. So, It's a waste of time. Still, I am looking forward to community feedback.

No 2. I believe some accounts changed hands a long time ago (About two-three years ago). Right now, Those accounts are managed by shit posters, and most of them are not fluent in English. They were not exposed because either no one noticed or maybe didn't have proper evidence to prove the claim. I had created two threads before and added a Question mark (?) on the title. I don't want to judge them myself. Instead, I will present them to the community, and you guys have to consider them based on my information. Now, The question is; Should I expose those accounts that seem to have changed hands two-three years ago?

Regards!

[Charles-Tim]

Why do you want to create new thread if an account change hands when you can just give the account a neutral tag and state the reason being account have changed hands. I do not see it to be necessary.

[Crypt0S0ul]

Why creating new thread if an account change hands when you can just give the account a neutral tag and state the reason being account have changed hands.

Would you believe me (a newbie account) who is not on anyone's trust list and his feedback won't be shown as trusted feedback? Would you trust his claims without any reference? For reference, I must create a thread or post on any other thread and submit proof of my claims. Why always neutral when it comes to changed hands by account trading? Did you see my last two threads?

[YOSHIE]

This thread: Topic: [Spammer Blacklist] The Shitlist, can be an example for you, if you want to make a list of account names hacked or change hands to someone else.

Just create one thread only, to deal with account switching hands issue, no need to [1] your account find [1] thread you created, one thread is enough to start it.

Now, The question is; Should I expose those accounts that seem to have changed hands two-three years ago?

It depends on you, if you have valid and reasonable evidence, why not.

[Little Mouse]

No 2. I believe some accounts changed hands a long time ago (About two-three years ago). Right now, Those accounts are managed by shit posters, and most of them are not fluent in English. They were not exposed because either no one noticed or maybe didn't have proper evidence to prove the claim. I had created two threads before and added a Question mark (?) on the title. I don't want to judge them myself. Instead, I will present them to the community, and you guys have to consider them based on my information. Now, The question is; Should I expose those accounts that seem to have changed hands two-three years ago?

If I'm correct, many reputed members have traded account here back in the day. It was discouraged but an open business. Back then, people used to farm account for trading. But later on, when number of scam increased due to account changing hands, if I'm correct, around 2018, some people started to tag account which changed hand and it has been a rule almost now lol. Before that, if any account changed hands, no one cared much. So, I don’t think you should dig such accounts.

On a side note, why are you desperately looking for such accounts? I don't think it worths the time. Keep it simple, if you find someone during your participation in the forum, you can report them but looking desperately isn’t something I think you should do. You can do something better for yourself. Just my 2 cents.

[Crypt0S0ul]

If I'm correct, many reputed members have traded accounts here back in the day. -snip- So, I don't think you should dig such accounts.

Oh! I didn't know that. When you mention reputed membersrs. It's interesting. I don't think reputed members will scam someone or post shit.

On a side note, why are you desperately looking for such accounts? I don't think it is worth the time. Keep it simple, if you find someone during your participation in the forum.

Well, This is not my only account. I have another account that I use daily. I use this account to say controversial things. You won't see me every day with this account, and it's impossible to find those types of accounts every day. Of course, I found them just randomly during my participation and did some research. That's it.

Just create one thread only, to deal with the account switching hands issue, no need to [1] your account find [1] thread you created, one thread is enough to start it.

The thread you referred to as an example is good. But, The problem is, I don't think DT members will check my thread often and check if I posted new findings or not. actmyname is DT himself and he left a neutral tag which Is visible as trusted feedback. But, I have to wait for a DT member to check and evaluate.

[Little Mouse]

Oh! I didn't know that. When you mention reputed membersrs. It's interesting. I don't think reputed members will scam someone or post shit.

Check "Auction" sub board and go to the old days. You will find many account on auction. For example, a random page picked by me and found shorena- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=958097.0
You can see that EFS joined the auction and some more reputed members too. It was nothing secret back then. Even one of the most reputed member Bruno had a habit of building account and sell them.

[Z-tight]

Since the account doesn't care about reputation and participated in the 1xBet campaign, and already got tagged. People unlikely to trust them and I don't think people will do any deals with them. So, It's a waste of time. Still, I am looking forward to community feedback.

Accounts can have as many feedbacks as possible, for many or the same reasons (from different members), i.e. if an account has a negative feedback for participating in 1xBet campaign, and you have solid evidence that the account changed hands, then you should leave a feedback that the account changed hands, that will help people who will visit their profile to know that the account changed hands. So long as the reason is different, a member can leave as many feedbacks as possible, what may be stupid to do is leaving more than one feedback for someone for the same reason.

Now, The question is; Should I expose those accounts that seem to have changed hands two-three years ago?

The choice is yours, but don't call anyone out without strong and solid evidence.

[lovesmayfamilis]

If you look at the signature of a company such as Stake, then there are similar accounts that can be found through one. What's the point? If the manager accepts such accounts for his company, then everything suits him. In addition, you are wasting your time and that of the DT, as they will check on their own. And in the end, even by proving the change of hands, you achieve a neutral tag. For those accounts who bought, stole, or something else, getting a neutral tag does not play any role. 
But if you find such accounts that participate in signature companies with more than one account, then you can catch them and punish them with a negative tag. This, if you are attracted to this type of activity, is more interesting fishing.

By the way, you can reveal your account. Follow the speech.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Well, This is not my only account. I have another account that I use daily. I use this account to say controversial things.

Why do you fear?
You are allowed to have alts but you should not be too afraid to speak out something that you believe should be spoken. I understand these days some users use their trust feedback as their tool to hostage others but you should not be afraid of it. These days having few negative inspired neutral feedback or even red feedback is kind of prestigious things LOL

Anyway, on topic. As long as these accounts are not involving in any trade they should be fine. Let them lure the advertisers 😂
If they do not pick a good campaign manger then they deserve to have some signature spammers in their campaigns LOL

Make a post in this topic showing why do you think that you are suspecting them with evidence and leave neutral tag for them.

[examplens]

If I'm correct, many reputed members have traded accounts here back in the day. -snip- So, I don't think you should dig such accounts.

Oh! I didn't know that. When you mention reputed membersrs. It's interesting. I don't think reputed members will scam someone or post shit.

maybe the title "reputed members" sounds a little arrogant.
in your case, where you are talking about accounts that have changed owners, that is not the right word. maybe it would have been previously respectable accounts that trusted members owned.
if such an account has changed owners, I believe it is important for possible future trade with that member.
again, let's not make everything revolve around signature and bounty campaigns. some campaigns will allow participation with multiple accounts, so it doesn't necessarily have to be the main problem.

The thread you referred to as an example is good. But, The problem is, I don't think DT members will check my thread often and check if I posted new findings or not. actmyname is DT himself and he left a neutral tag which Is visible as trusted feedback. But, I have to wait for a DT member to check and evaluate.

OP, you already get a suggestion, you need to open a new thread where you will expose all cases. present all the evidence, and DT members will support you for sure. If over time you prove to be reliable in busting traded accounts, you will earn your place in the DT list, so your feedback will be more important.

[yahoo62278]

But if you find such accounts that participate in signature companies with more than one account, then you can catch them and punish them with a negative tag. This, if you are attracted to this type of activity, is more interesting fishing.

By the way, you can reveal your account. Follow the speech.

This is what I would look for. Find cheaters. 1 could argue that a person who bought an account is already cheating the system, but alt accounts are legal and account sales is technically legal.

I would refrain from digging dirt on nobody accounts IMO. If they have 0 positive trust and are not DT, there's really no point. Just make a thread like the alt accounts thread and post all your findings in 1 place. If an account like say LoyceV was a bought account, then you should most definitely report it and let the community know so we can take action. ( I am just using LoyceV as an example, I am certainly not accusing that account. Users with a large rep on this forum can be used to pull off a huge scam.)

[The Sceptical Chymist]

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Ditto to what YOSHIE said; you don't need to create new threads, but your effort in sniffing out connected accounts would be much appreciated--at least by myself and those who care about the forum.  No doubt there's a ton of alt accounts hiding out in the gambling sections (and I'd be willing to bet even more so in the altcoin ones), and they've basically destroyed the quality of "conversation" going on.

I'd give you a merit or two if I could, but I've been drained dry--so I owe you one, OP.

1 could argue that a person who bought an account is already cheating the system, but alt accounts are legal and account sales is technically legal.

Sure, but I'll gladly tag any account buyers/sellers who get caught, assuming I notice the thread in which they're exposed.  If anyone wants to PM me with a link to a thread like that, I'd be most appreciative, as I tend to miss them.

[Crypt0S0ul]

By the way, you can reveal your account. Follow the speech.

Why do you fear?
You are allowed to have alts but you should not be too afraid to speak out something that you believe should be spoken.

I Revealed my account many times from my other account which is ALT. The funny thing is, This is my main account which was created back in 2020. But, I was unable to post due to an IP ban. A few months ago I got whitelisted. You can check neutral feedback on my account.

Make a post in this topic showing why do you think that you are suspecting them with evidence and leave neutral tag for them.

OP, you already get a suggestion, you need to open a new thread where you will expose all cases. present all the evidence, and DT members will support you for sure. If over time you prove to be reliable in busting traded accounts, you will earn your place in the DT list, so your feedback will be more important.

Okay. If this is more convenient. I will do it.

you don't need to create new threads, but your effort in sniffing out connected accounts would be much appreciated--at least by myself and those who care about the forum. No doubt there's a ton of alt accounts hiding out in the gambling sections (and I'd be willing to bet even more so in the altcoin ones), and they've basically destroyed the quality of "conversation" going on.

Well, personally I do gambling and love to check gambling threads. But, often I see nonsense shit posters randomly comment and their post doesn't make sense. You were one of the guys who fought against account sellers. But, After I see Little Mouse's post. I was shocked.

Today, Hhampuz posted about low-quality posts of his signature campaign participants which is appreciated.

There's a lot of you who not only make the bare minimum of 15 posts per week (it's fine if you do, just have some quality with it), but I keep seeing a pattern of posts like "Today I went outside and looked up to the sky and could conclude that it could rain, or not". Just nonsense rambling that nobody asked for or cares about. Not only that but I also see a lot of similar posts and then when I go to it we're on page 10 of some spam thread were 99 other people have said the exact same thing you are saying and you seemingly don't care as it's just another post for you that adds 0 value.

  

[_BlackStar]

Well, personally I do gambling and love to check gambling threads. But, often I see nonsense shit posters randomly comment and their post doesn't make sense.

Report the post, tell the moderator why it needs to be removed and if your report is really good then you will see that some participants will lose their weekly payout for not meeting the post count requirement.

You may soon notice that most altcoin hunters have slightly changed their posting habits to merit some users. Some of them have started eyeing bitcoin signature campaigns and you can guess that it's a bullshit poster that really doesn't deserve a chance. Look how lucky they are to get the opportunity without making a proper contribution to the forum and discussion.

OP, I support you exposing accounts for sale or changing hands, but I personally won't dig into more trash cans under 2021. I tend to be interested in going above them where most of these accounts change hands just to join signature campaigns.

[Smartvirus]

It's not new that accounts that participates in 1xbet promotions on the forum gets negative tag. Somehow, the betting company still continues to gain there customers despite the negative tagging of its promoters and you wonder why? Who are those that still gambles on the betting site?

The truth about these is; a negative tag from a user is simply the users opinion and other users on the forum are subject to there own interpretation. Some might see it as an offence, while others see it as just a promoted sentiment but it's clearly not an offence in the forum and as such, they don't get banned.

Now, account changing hands is still not an offence but, its something worth to warn the forum members about. Of course it would be subject to there own interpretation afterwards but, you still have to do it should you be on point with your provided evidence and sees the need.

That someone has been found on one count, don't mean you should ignore the other counts on the user.
Someone caught plagiarising, spamming, scams and more. The account could be reported on all counts and it would be valid and so, I think that an account have previously been tagged on one offence doesn't have to end there. If others offences are found as well, you can go ahead to create more tags on them. Let the users have there takes on the tags of there choice.

This is a way to discredit and discourage account buying. The question here remains if they should be negatively tagged or given a neutral as its hardly an actual offence.

[KingsDen]

Now, The question is; Should I expose those accounts that seem to have changed hands two-three years ago?

Regards!

This is not making good sense buddy. Exposing accounts that changed hands two-three years ago? For what reasons please? I am barely one year in this forum and imagine that I came to reputation and see an accusation of account that changed hands 2018. It doesn't worth it.

Well, let me share the reasons why accounts changing hands threads are given credence.

• To avoid transfer of reputation that will likely lead to scam
• To avoid shit posters taking over the account to pollute the forum with shit posts/spams
• To discourage account sales

Apart from the above reasons, I don't think anyone will pay attention to accounts changing hands.
So, if accounts successfully changed hands 2 to 3 years ago, have not scammed and does not show tendencies of scamming and does not shit post, tell me, of what importance is exposing them?

[Crypt0S0ul]

have not scammed and does not show tendencies of scamming and does not shit post, tell me, what importance is exposing them?

Account trading was an open secret back in the old days. If any account changed hands two-three years ago, It must be a legendary account if the current owner is a good member. But, if the account changed hands in two-three years ago and is unable to rank up or didn't earn more than 100 merits in the last three years. He is a shit poster. At least they deserve a Neutral Tag.

[KingsDen]

Well, I do not want to stress this much, my very concern is that if you really want to help this forum, you can do that sincerely without wasting your time in something that is not obtainable. I have seen that Ratimov reported more than 100,000 spams to moderators and that is real cleasing and passion to keep the forum clean. But your ideology is not resounding if I should be honest.

have not scammed and does not show tendencies of scamming and does not shit post, tell me, what importance is exposing them?

...if the account changed hands in two-three years ago and is unable to rank up or didn't earn more than 100 merits in the last three years. He is a shit poster. At least they deserve a Neutral Tag.

They deserve a neutral tag for not earning 100 merits or for not ranking up? I'm scared of your judgement though.
If you were theymos, you could shut down the forum for not receiving a merit score for one month.

I like what you are doing, atleast you ask questions and seek opinions when you are not sure of what to do and that is why you are seeing my post on the thread.  You can filter the information and/or opinions available here and decide on what to do going forward. Cheers!

[The Cryptovator]

Be careful when you want to create an account change hand allegation against anyone. Good accounts shouldn't be tagged anyway though bad accounts do not get the tag. Or a neutral tag would be fine if there are doubts. As long as the changed account does not attempt to scam someone and there is no clear evidence, I won't tag them.