Boxing: Dmitry Bivol vs Zurdo Ramirez

[Jawhead999]

44 wins no loss.  That's a lot to say about Ramizer.
A long wait, the fight will be on November 5. There will be a lot of analysis we'll see between the two from the sports pickers. He could be right about Ramizer not having many big fights with big names in his pro career. But he does have the reach advantage. Who knows a Southpaw may stop Bovils reign in his division.

In theory Southpaw will have advantage over Orthodox, moreover Ramirez have a reach advantage too, he could jabs Bivol when he's open his hands. I think the only way Ramirez win is via decision, so he will play distance and need to dodge all of Bivol's punch. But who knows Bivol can find a good moment where Ramirez miscalculate the possible move from Bivol and then he get hit by Bivol that would make him fell sleep.

[TopTort777]

Yep, the greatest opponent he fight so far is Jesse Hart, but he's no longer a great boxers since if you watch his recent fight, he's only run away inside the ring. I wonder why he doesn't want to fight Canelo or GGG? I think he just kind of a boxer who want to maintain his record and cherry pick weak boxers.

Bivol chooses weak boxers? This is a mandatory title defence against Ramirez. If he drops that fight, Bivol will loose his belts. So he wasnt picking an easy fight. Besides, in profs, there are no easy fights when you are on top

Why Bivol does not want to fight Canelo? He wants to. But they cant agree where they will have a rematch. Plus he will have to wait for Canelo to fight GGG, for Canelo to recover and start training. That will be loosing time for Bivol. So why not make a title defence and earn some $$$ ?

[Natalim]

Yep, the greatest opponent he fight so far is Jesse Hart, but he's no longer a great boxers since if you watch his recent fight, he's only run away inside the ring. I wonder why he doesn't want to fight Canelo or GGG? I think he just kind of a boxer who want to maintain his record and cherry pick weak boxers.

Bivol chooses weak boxers? This is a mandatory title defence against Ramirez. If he drops that fight, Bivol will loose his belts. So he wasnt picking an easy fight. Besides, in profs, there are no easy fights when you are on top

Why Bivol does not want to fight Canelo? He wants to. But they cant agree where they will have a rematch. Plus he will have to wait for Canelo to fight GGG, for Canelo to recover and start training. That will be loosing time for Bivol. So why not make a title defence and earn some $$$ ?

Bivol proved that he is a great boxer, he defeated Canelo via unanimous decision, which speaks too much about his ability. Yes, you are right, it's a mandatory fight for him, so he has to take it, otherwise, he will lose without fighting, and we don't want to see that.

Canelo vs Bivol rematch might happen after Canelo's fight with GGG.

[btc_angela]

44 wins no loss.  That's a lot to say about Ramizer.
A long wait, the fight will be on November 5. There will be a lot of analysis we'll see between the two from the sports pickers. He could be right about Ramizer not having many big fights with big names in his pro career. But he does have the reach advantage. Who knows a Southpaw may stop Bovils reign in his division.

In theory Southpaw will have advantage over Orthodox, moreover Ramirez have a reach advantage too, he could jabs Bivol when he's open his hands. I think the only way Ramirez win is via decision, so he will play distance and need to dodge all of Bivol's punch. But who knows Bivol can find a good moment where Ramirez miscalculate the possible move from Bivol and then he get hit by Bivol that would make him fell sleep.

But Ramirez is slow as compare to Bivol, so even if he jabs then maybe Bivol can counter him with his favorite 1-2 punch, the same style and tactics he did with Canelo. But I have to agree that it might be thru decision if he is going to win. But it's going to be very difficult for Ramirez. But if he think his style will beat Bivol, then just continue and don't change anything. Perhaps the adjustment will be in the fight itself. He has the experienced so I expect to somewhat to do for him to win.

[Cling18]

44 wins no loss.  That's a lot to say about Ramizer.
A long wait, the fight will be on November 5. There will be a lot of analysis we'll see between the two from the sports pickers. He could be right about Ramizer not having many big fights with big names in his pro career. But he does have the reach advantage. Who knows a Southpaw may stop Bovils reign in his division.

In theory Southpaw will have advantage over Orthodox, moreover Ramirez have a reach advantage too, he could jabs Bivol when he's open his hands. I think the only way Ramirez win is via decision, so he will play distance and need to dodge all of Bivol's punch. But who knows Bivol can find a good moment where Ramirez miscalculate the possible move from Bivol and then he get hit by Bivol that would make him fell sleep.

But Ramirez is slow as compare to Bivol, so even if he jabs then maybe Bivol can counter him with his favorite 1-2 punch, the same style and tactics he did with Canelo. But I have to agree that it might be thru decision if he is going to win. But it's going to be very difficult for Ramirez. But if he think his style will beat Bivol, then just continue and don't change anything. Perhaps the adjustment will be in the fight itself. He has the experienced so I expect to somewhat to do for him to win.

I could feel that it will be an easy fight for Bivol but challenging for Ramirez. Bivol is really fast and aggressive during his previous fight which might also be the same this time. Ramirez still has to learn how to counter all the possible punches that Bivol might throw at him. Bivol has a wider experience than Ramirez so I'm sure that he would have a bigger edge in this match.

[carlisle1]

44 wins no loss.  That's a lot to say about Ramizer.
A long wait, the fight will be on November 5. There will be a lot of analysis we'll see between the two from the sports pickers. He could be right about Ramizer not having many big fights with big names in his pro career. But he does have the reach advantage. Who knows a Southpaw may stop Bovils reign in his division.

In theory Southpaw will have advantage over Orthodox, moreover Ramirez have a reach advantage too, he could jabs Bivol when he's open his hands. I think the only way Ramirez win is via decision, so he will play distance and need to dodge all of Bivol's punch. But who knows Bivol can find a good moment where Ramirez miscalculate the possible move from Bivol and then he get hit by Bivol that would make him fell sleep.

But Ramirez is slow as compare to Bivol, so even if he jabs then maybe Bivol can counter him with his favorite 1-2 punch, the same style and tactics he did with Canelo. But I have to agree that it might be thru decision if he is going to win. But it's going to be very difficult for Ramirez. But if he think his style will beat Bivol, then just continue and don't change anything. Perhaps the adjustment will be in the fight itself. He has the experienced so I expect to somewhat to do for him to win.

Bivol's style of fighting is something that Ramirez needs to workout and study. He has that good fundamentals where he can convert

with his combination, if Ramirez wants to take him down he needs to convert more and make sure to land a solid combination, he needs

to b more aggressive and more on trying to create an opening to land and convert solid punches into Bivol's critical areas.

[lionheart78]

Dont rush making bets and judging fighter by stats. Ramizer record was build on fighting as a young boxer. As a real professional adult boxer he had only several fights. In fact, he is from super middle weight division. Just like Canelo, just like a boxer Bivol won in a dominant way. This fight is going to as Bivol vs Canelo, but with a weak or less experienced version of Canelo. I think that Bivol is going to persuasively win by points.

Yep, the greatest opponent he fight so far is Jesse Hart, but he's no longer a great boxers since if you watch his recent fight, he's only run away inside the ring. I wonder why he doesn't want to fight Canelo or GGG? I think he just kind of a boxer who want to maintain his record and cherry pick weak boxers.

Ramirez records shows that he is far stronger than the two boxer.  with 44 wins against 20 by Bivol, Ramirez have way more experience and the % knockout shows that he is also have an advantage against Bivol.  Not saying Ramirez stopped his opponent on his last 5 fights.  Pretty impressive IMO.  While Bivol last 5 fights are ended via decision.  I disagree that this one is cherry-picked.

Though Ramirez never had any losses, but if he fight Bivol he could lose via KO since Bivol have higher power than the rest boxers he ever fought so far.

Or the other way around.  The thing here is whoever got his pacing first and landed a solid KO punch since each one of them are capable of knocking out their opponent.  If something we have to see here is how well Ramirez can receive heavy blows from a top-notch opponent.

[chaser15]

I wonder why he doesn't want to fight Canelo or GGG? I think he just kind of a boxer who want to maintain his record and cherry pick weak boxers.

Though Ramirez never had any losses, but if he fight Bivol he could lose via KO since Bivol have higher power than the rest boxers he ever fought so far.

The rematch with Canelo is not being considered by Bivol since there's no benefit by the latter of doing it.On the other hand, Canelo is being adviced not to activate his rematch clause since if he will face Bivol right away, the result won't be changed. Bivol wants to chase another title but he didn't have the chance to face Beterbiev in a supposed unification match that's why he ended up against Ramirez for the meantime to still follow his fight schedule this year. If a boxer is being pick as a mandatory challenger, then it means that boxer is a big thing.

I also don't think that Bivol is cherry picking weak boxers. If that so, Canelo is also considered as a weak boxer for you?

[mirakal]

in my opinion Dmitry Bivol will win this fight without sweating too much, when I say without sweating too much I mean he won't be extremely exhausted after the fight, it's a fight I'll bet on when I see it on stake.com I'm confident that Dmitry Bivol wins this fight, and about Canelo Alvarez,  I think he will skip this rematch next year, I doubt they will fight, I could be wrong

I have never seen a boxing fight where both sides won't sweat, not to talk about someone winning without a sweat.
I understand you maybe be a fan of Dmitry Bivol but try to check the record of the two fighters to see the most experience fighter and how they both performed when they face the same opponent which is Sullivan Barrera.
In my opinion, Zurdo Ramirez has a huge chance to beat Dmitry Bivol.

Bivol's name was a bit hyped for sure because he defeated Canelo Alvarez recently but Zurdo is not an easy opponent either because the latter has more experience in the industry and has a greater KO ratio, not mentioning Zurdo's height and reach advantage while he is also in the same age as Bivol.
Can't really underestimate Zurdo because the man even KO'd a boxer once in cruiserweight in just a mere 4 rounds. Bivol will surely struggle this time and saying that this will be a piece of cake for him is an overstatement because Zurdo has more chances to defeat Bivol and fight Artur Beterbiev in an undisputed match in light-heavy.

It goes with the name, if you beat Canelo by a unanimous decision when Canelo is knocking out every champion that comes along then it only means you are a special fighter I know Zurdo is a good fighter with a good punch but its only good when he can hit his opponent, Canelo is good and a knock out artist but when he fought Bivol he cannot hit him and there's always counter every time he throws, you are a superior boxer when you can hit and not get hit, and Bivol is good at doing that.

There's a difference because Canelo is not fighting Bivol in super-middleweight where he is much more comfortable, instead he puts more weight in his body risking his speed and power just to meet the required weight to fight Bivol who is a champion in light-heavy. Bivol defeating Canelo is just reasonable because the latter is just a visitor in that division whereas Zurdo has been defeating boxers from super-middleweight, light-heavy up to cruiserweight.

[Botnake]

Looking at the poll in this thread, it seems that they are siding with Bivol against Zurdo and I cannot blame them at all because Canelo Alvarez was once defeated by Bivol who was the undisputed champion in SMW and still in his prime. But folks, we cannot underestimate Zurdo here because he is much more flexible and has almost all the advantages needed like experience, height, and reach to defeat the champion.

I think it will be more entertaining to see if it's Zurdo vs Beterbiev fighting for an undisputed fight. But before that, I'd like to watch how would Bivol defend his belt here.

[mirakal]

Any shared information on why Dmitry Bivol failed to secure a fight with Artur Beterbiev for the supposed undisputed match at the Light-Heavyweight Division?

Who do you think is responsible for that, no other than Bob Arum the villain of the Boxing world, he doesn't want his ward Beterbiev on any promotion only on ESPN

Boxing politics always deprived the hard core fans of this sport the fight we deserved to see when fighters are still in their prime. Bob Arum always want the big slice of the pie and we all know that Bivol's market value sky-rocketed when he beat Canelo so for sure he will have to receive more if he fight Beterbiev which i don't think old Bob will agree.

Bivol needs to dispose Zurdo in a convincing manner first so as to eliminate the doubt that he is just a one fight wonder and with that he deserve a shot of unifying the light heavy weight title.

We can't of course forget that this is a business after all but yeah, that's somehow unfair not just for the fans but for the boxers as well because they can't try and have that legacy they wanted even while they are still at the peak of their prime because there is some promoters like Bob Arum who just wants to milk every challenger that his fighter faces rather than give that chance to have a legacy.

But I think Bob Arum can still fight in the table and have a demand as he have the power to make it because Artur Beterbiev has 3 belts while Bivol or Zurdo if the latter will win have only 1 belt to share in the table. Bivol's name is just hyped but that doesn't take away the fact that Beterbiev holds the most belts.

[Jating]

Any shared information on why Dmitry Bivol failed to secure a fight with Artur Beterbiev for the supposed undisputed match at the Light-Heavyweight Division?

Who do you think is responsible for that, no other than Bob Arum the villain of the Boxing world, he doesn't want his ward Beterbiev on any promotion only on ESPN

Boxing politics always deprived the hard core fans of this sport the fight we deserved to see when fighters are still in their prime. Bob Arum always want the big slice of the pie and we all know that Bivol's market value sky-rocketed when he beat Canelo so for sure he will have to receive more if he fight Beterbiev which i don't think old Bob will agree.

Bivol needs to dispose Zurdo in a convincing manner first so as to eliminate the doubt that he is just a one fight wonder and with that he deserve a shot of unifying the light heavy weight title.

We can't of course forget that this is a business after all but yeah, that's somehow unfair not just for the fans but for the boxers as well because they can't try and have that legacy they wanted even while they are still at the peak of their prime because there is some promoters like Bob Arum who just wants to milk every challenger that his fighter faces rather than give that chance to have a legacy.

But I think Bob Arum can still fight in the table and have a demand as he have the power to make it because Artur Beterbiev has 3 belts while Bivol or Zurdo if the latter will win have only 1 belt to share in the table. Bivol's name is just hyped but that doesn't take away the fact that Beterbiev holds the most belts.

Will we see Zurdo vs Beterviev in the future? maybe, if I'm not mistaken, Zurdo used to be managed by Top Rank. And then they separated and then he move to the higher weight class. Not sure if the settlement is amicable or the relationship has been strained. And Beterviev is with Top Rank. So chances are the negotiations might not be that issues assuming Zurdo's history with Top Rank, and somewhat Arum as a boxing manager might find it hard to let Zurdo fight is cash cow in the LHW division.

[harizen]

I think it will be more entertaining to see if it's Zurdo vs Beterbiev fighting for an undisputed fight. But before that, I'd like to watch how would Bivol defend his belt here.

From my own point of view, either Dmitry Bivol or Zurdo Ramirez will be a good match for Beterbiev for the undisputed champion in the Light Heavyweight division and surely entertaining to watch. Both boxers have good credentials and lurking in this division for a long making them truly ripe to challenge Beterbiev.

But since there's politics as always in the business of boxing, I just wonder what if Bivol is able to defend his belt in this match.

Will Arum now finally open for a Beterbiev-Bivol fight?

It's not making sense not to have that fight between Beterbiev and Bivol push through when the latter is doing a winning streak defending his title.

[Baofeng]

Any shared information on why Dmitry Bivol failed to secure a fight with Artur Beterbiev for the supposed undisputed match at the Light-Heavyweight Division?

Who do you think is responsible for that, no other than Bob Arum the villain of the Boxing world, he doesn't want his ward Beterbiev on any promotion only on ESPN

Boxing politics always deprived the hard core fans of this sport the fight we deserved to see when fighters are still in their prime. Bob Arum always want the big slice of the pie and we all know that Bivol's market value sky-rocketed when he beat Canelo so for sure he will have to receive more if he fight Beterbiev which i don't think old Bob will agree.

Bivol needs to dispose Zurdo in a convincing manner first so as to eliminate the doubt that he is just a one fight wonder and with that he deserve a shot of unifying the light heavy weight title.

We can't of course forget that this is a business after all but yeah, that's somehow unfair not just for the fans but for the boxers as well because they can't try and have that legacy they wanted even while they are still at the peak of their prime because there is some promoters like Bob Arum who just wants to milk every challenger that his fighter faces rather than give that chance to have a legacy.

But I think Bob Arum can still fight in the table and have a demand as he have the power to make it because Artur Beterbiev has 3 belts while Bivol or Zurdo if the latter will win have only 1 belt to share in the table. Bivol's name is just hyped but that doesn't take away the fact that Beterbiev holds the most belts.

Will we see Zurdo vs Beterviev in the future? maybe, if I'm not mistaken, Zurdo used to be managed by Top Rank. And then they separated and then he move to the higher weight class. Not sure if the settlement is amicable or the relationship has been strained. And Beterviev is with Top Rank. So chances are the negotiations might not be that issues assuming Zurdo's history with Top Rank, and somewhat Arum as a boxing manager might find it hard to let Zurdo fight is cash cow in the LHW division.

There is no bad blood or something, they settled amicably,

“An agreement was reached amongst the parties,” Top Rank Vice President of Operations Carl Moretti told The Ring in a text message. “He will no longer be promoted by Top Rank.”

https://www.ringtv.com/605329-gilberto-ramirez-splits-amicably-from-top-rank-vows-to-take-over-at-light-heavyweight/

And it's all business for Top Rank, if they can make money out of Ramirez again then why not?

But first he has his hands full against Bivol, we will talk about Beterviev later if this fight is competitive enough or if he wins against Bivol. But that is only the second best, what fans are calling for Top Rank to set up all Russian fight, Bivol vs Beterviev next year.

[TopTort777]

Ramirez records shows that he is far stronger than the two boxer.  with 44 wins against 20 by Bivol, Ramirez have way more experience and the % knockout shows that he is also have an advantage against Bivol.  Not saying Ramirez stopped his opponent on his last 5 fights.  Pretty impressive IMO.  While Bivol last 5 fights are ended via decision.  I disagree that this one is cherry-picked.

I see you know how to google. Now use same technique to check those 44 opponents of Ramirez and 20 of Bivol and try to compare their records.

Among those 44 wins, there are fighters that had a debut fights, fighters with negative record, fighters with number of wins a bit higher than number of losses. Bivol also had such opponents, but Ramirez has more or those kind. And dont forget that Bivol has around 300 fights in amateur career (sorry, I havent found info about Ramirez amateur career). Also dont forget that Bivol beat the guy with 57-2 record, that is better than 44-0

[Kelvinid]

Ramirez records shows that he is far stronger than the two boxer.  with 44 wins against 20 by Bivol, Ramirez have way more experience and the % knockout shows that he is also have an advantage against Bivol.  Not saying Ramirez stopped his opponent on his last 5 fights.  Pretty impressive IMO.  While Bivol last 5 fights are ended via decision.  I disagree that this one is cherry-picked.

I see you know how to google. Now use same technique to check those 44 opponents of Ramirez and 20 of Bivol and try to compare their records.

Among those 44 wins, there are fighters that had a debut fights, fighters with negative record, fighters with number of wins a bit higher than number of losses. Bivol also had such opponents, but Ramirez has more or those kind. And dont forget that Bivol has around 300 fights in amateur career (sorry, I havent found info about Ramirez amateur career). Also dont forget that Bivol beat the guy with 57-2 record, that is better than 44-0

It will always boils down to the quality of fights they have, numbers are just useless if a fighter is not fighting the best. At least Bivol fought Canelo who is a celebrated fighter, not only beat him but humiliate him by beating him in a one sided fight.

only 2 fighters beaten Canelo, and the first one was a hall of Famer which is Floyd Mayweather.

[TopTort777]

Ramirez records shows that he is far stronger than the two boxer.  with 44 wins against 20 by Bivol, Ramirez have way more experience and the % knockout shows that he is also have an advantage against Bivol.  Not saying Ramirez stopped his opponent on his last 5 fights.  Pretty impressive IMO.  While Bivol last 5 fights are ended via decision.  I disagree that this one is cherry-picked.

I see you know how to google. Now use same technique to check those 44 opponents of Ramirez and 20 of Bivol and try to compare their records.

Among those 44 wins, there are fighters that had a debut fights, fighters with negative record, fighters with number of wins a bit higher than number of losses. Bivol also had such opponents, but Ramirez has more or those kind. And dont forget that Bivol has around 300 fights in amateur career (sorry, I havent found info about Ramirez amateur career). Also dont forget that Bivol beat the guy with 57-2 record, that is better than 44-0

It will always boils down to the quality of fights they have, numbers are just useless if a fighter is not fighting the best. At least Bivol fought Canelo who is a celebrated fighter, not only beat him but humiliate him by beating him in a one sided fight.

only 2 fighters beaten Canelo, and the first one was a hall of Famer which is Floyd Mayweather.

Yeap, fighting record is a just a number. Everyone can make a tiny mistake and wake up with +1 to lose record next second. It is not hard to build a clean record. This is a merit of a manager, the boxer is just a machine. Boxing is very popular sport, there are a lot of professional boxers, that are in sport only to get paid. They are ready to fight anybody for a cheque. Among those 44 Ramirez wins, the majority of his opponent were complete trash. So when evaluation a fighter, look closer to his recent wins, then on a overall boxing record.

I will show you one good example. Google Danny Williams. In the 90s and beginning of y2k, he was a real monster. He has a victory over Mike "Iron Mike" Tyson. Williams is 49 now and still does boxing. Want to know how promoters present him? Beast with over 30 win, and a win against Mike Tyson. Sounds scary. But ! He has beaten Mike when Mike was about to retire. Williams has 10-19 record in last 10 years. He fights no-names and gets KOed for money.

Once again, boxing record are just numbers.

[YOSHIE]

I watched the last match of the two of them, Bivol beat the middleweight boxer on May 7, while Ramirez last bet on May 14 Dominic had to lose in the fourth round which was won by Ramirez.

I believe the Bivol vs. Ramirez, the fight that many boxing fans all over the world have been waiting for, a fight that lived up to the expectations of boxing lovers and bettors alike, I salute those who can bring them together at this meeting.

For the boxing fight between Bivol vs. Ramirez I will cast my vote, on number two.

Bivol knockout.

[virasisog]

I watched the last match of the two of them, Bivol beat the middleweight boxer on May 7, while Ramirez last bet on May 14 Dominic had to lose in the fourth round which was won by Ramirez.

I believe the Bivol vs. Ramirez, the fight that many boxing fans all over the world have been waiting for, a fight that lived up to the expectations of boxing lovers and bettors alike, I salute those who can bring them together at this meeting.

For the boxing fight between Bivol vs. Ramirez I will cast my vote, on number two.

Bivol knockout.

I also had the same vote because I've seen the aggressiveness of Bivol and it honestly impressed me. Ramirez also has fast punches but I think Bivol could counter his moves. This is a perfect match and if one wants to beat one, he should be eager to prepare as early as possible. They both have strong stamina so they will be a big challenge to each other.

[Daltonik]

Bivol will have to show everything he is capable of in this fight, because it is known that Ramirez is a versatile boxer who works equally effectively both at long and medium and short distances, very technical and not predictable.