Boxing: Dmitry Bivol vs Zurdo Ramirez

[Sanitough]

I'm having a second thought at first on whom to bet for because for me this fight is a bit complicated to predict but with Bivol having a rematch with Canelo after this one, I will be backing the Russian as I also want him to fight Canelo next and see it that win last May was a fluke or not.

Same here im rooting for Bivol to win because I'd like to see him again to have a rematch with Canelo (if ever it will be push through). However it is hard to predict whose gonna win in this fight because Ramirez is also a beast. They're actually a perfect match since both are undefeated. Its a challenge for Bvol because Ramirez is taller than him and has more experience. So lets see if his hands speed will work as his advantage. Nevertheless this is a great fight to look forward.

A good challenge and an exciting event that we will see, Bivol have that favorite after beating Alvarez, but now he's facing a new challenger

who can match up with him both with speed and strong punches, we will him now adjusting since the height and reach edge is in Ramirez favor

and the man is also undefeated, which means that he also has good experience facing any type of fighter. We will see what adjustment

and what new fighting style for both sides.

The light-heavyweight division has been quite noisy this year as they have some interesting fights that are taking place and probably an undisputed fight in this division is the next attraction too because the winner of this fight will face Artur Beterbiev next.

I've looked into Zurdo's rapsheet and I can't help myself to be impressed as I found out that he used to fight in super middleweight and cruiserweight respectively before he stayed here in light-heavy. This fight is truly an interesting sight to see this coming November, I expect that every round will be full of explosive punches.

[Fredomago]

This is an interesting match because they have different fighting stance which means there might be a lot of instance that they will throw punches at the same side. This 2 undisputed boxer is no doubt a beast but Ramirez will a clear advantage if we can base on the statistics especially the experience and height. The only that makes Bivol the favorite is because his recent success to give a upset defeat to Canelo. I will take that extra odds for Ramirez since they have almost close stats and the match is highly a decision fight  which the Veteran Ramirez has an advantage.

If you see it that way better to take that good odd for Ramirez, thoug your argument is true since Bivol beat Alvarez from this division he gain the respect of the bookies, but stats wise they both have clean records, maybe there's something that fans will be surprise once both are inside the ring and start throwing punches, height and reach if being use wisely mostly an advantage for a high IQ fighter, looking from the review of that last Bivol vs Alvarez fight, even Alvarez did tried to corner Bivol but the reach advantage and those solid jabs always mostly landed to Alvarez before he can throw his attacks.

Similarly, if Ramirez will be quick enough to respond with Bivol's attack, he can create a good opening and bring a good counter solid punches to Bivol.

Just speculation, but a good toe-to-toe will be more entertaining to watch. Hopefully, both fighters will bring an enjoyable fight to watch.

[Daltonik]

Bivol gave a big interview to DAZN Boxing Show where he shared his thoughts about the upcoming fight with Ramirez, as well as how his life changed after defeating Canelo and a possible rematch with him, and talked about a possible fight against Artur Beterbiev.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMER609gN4s

[inthelongrun]

I heard before that Zurdo is 6'3 just like the heavyweight unified champion Usyk. He was a big super-middleweight and he doesn't even have a slim body which is the issue with taller fighters. Bivol meanwhile is a small light-heavyweight at 6'0.

Very interesting if we really look at this height campaigning at LHW, maybe it's possible for him to move up to CW with that height and bone density. Or maybe he was walking around the CW limit during off season. So he don't need to add more weight and he could be draining himself trying to make 175 lbs.

Yes, I also heard before that it looks like Zurdo's final destination is at CW. Even at CW, he would still stand tall there, especially on WBC champion Makabu who's like 5'11 but a huge puncher, he was supposed to fight Canelo before. The only champion there that's the tallest is WBO champion Okolie at 6"5 but he's the weakest of all the champions there IMO. IMO Zurdo has a better chance of becoming a champion at CW rather than at LHW where there are only 2 reigning champions; WBA champion Bivol is too technical and we have the lineal, IBF, WBO, and WBC champion Beterbiev who's a KO artist and an expert on cutting the ring.

[TravelMug]

I heard before that Zurdo is 6'3 just like the heavyweight unified champion Usyk. He was a big super-middleweight and he doesn't even have a slim body which is the issue with taller fighters. Bivol meanwhile is a small light-heavyweight at 6'0.

Very interesting if we really look at this height campaigning at LHW, maybe it's possible for him to move up to CW with that height and bone density. Or maybe he was walking around the CW limit during off season. So he don't need to add more weight and he could be draining himself trying to make 175 lbs.

Yes, I also heard before that it looks like Zurdo's final destination is at CW. Even at CW, he would still stand tall there, especially on WBC champion Makabu who's like 5'11 but a huge puncher, he was supposed to fight Canelo before. The only champion there that's the tallest is WBO champion Okolie at 6"5 but he's the weakest of all the champions there IMO. IMO Zurdo has a better chance of becoming a champion at CW rather than at LHW where there are only 2 reigning champions; WBA champion Bivol is too technical and we have the lineal, IBF, WBO, and WBC champion Beterbiev who's a KO artist and an expert on cutting the ring.

If he is big in this weight then he can at least stay in this division and fight Beterviev next and see how it goes for him. And maybe even if he losses to Bivol, he can still fight those scrap fighters make his way up again but this time it will be Beterviev.

At least this weight classes became interesting now, after Bivol beat Canelo and now Zurdo will have a crack at him.

Beterviev will also have a fight if I'm not mistaken. So LHW is very much active with this names. He can later go up as high CW later. I don't think that either Bivol or Beterviev will go because they will be too short for this division.

[inthelongrun]

Yes, Beterbiev as per Bob Arum earlier should fight in the UK against Anthony Yarde.

Artur Beterbiev is only 5'11 but his frame is huge, he is strong and he's got power in both hands. Not everybody knew that Beterbiev actually knocked down and hurt Oleksandyr Usyk several times during their amateurs. They fought 3 times and all of them were close. Although I never saw their first fight which Beterbiev won by 12-10. Their 2nd and 3rd fights were close and Beterbiev was the bully and the stronger guy most of the time. And if only knockdowns are valuable then maybe Beterbiev won. And if there were no head gears before in the amateurs then it's really possible that Beterbiev stopped Usyk. The only downside with Beterbiev now is his age. 

[carlisle1]

I heard before that Zurdo is 6'3 just like the heavyweight unified champion Usyk. He was a big super-middleweight and he doesn't even have a slim body which is the issue with taller fighters. Bivol meanwhile is a small light-heavyweight at 6'0.

Very interesting if we really look at this height campaigning at LHW, maybe it's possible for him to move up to CW with that height and bone density. Or maybe he was walking around the CW limit during off season. So he don't need to add more weight and he could be draining himself trying to make 175 lbs.

Yes, I also heard before that it looks like Zurdo's final destination is at CW. Even at CW, he would still stand tall there, especially on WBC champion Makabu who's like 5'11 but a huge puncher, he was supposed to fight Canelo before. The only champion there that's the tallest is WBO champion Okolie at 6"5 but he's the weakest of all the champions there IMO. IMO Zurdo has a better chance of becoming a champion at CW rather than at LHW where there are only 2 reigning champions; WBA champion Bivol is too technical and we have the lineal, IBF, WBO, and WBC champion Beterbiev who's a KO artist and an expert on cutting the ring.

If he is big in this weight then he can at least stay in this division and fight Beterviev next and see how it goes for him. And maybe even if he losses to Bivol, he can still fight those scrap fighters make his way up again but this time it will be Beterviev.

At least this weight classes became interesting now, after Bivol beat Canelo and now Zurdo will have a crack at him.

Beterviev will also have a fight if I'm not mistaken. So LHW is very much active with this names. He can later go up as high CW later. I don't think that either Bivol or Beterviev will go because they will be too short for this division.

All those potential fights can be done after this one, promoters will look on outcome of this fight then assess if he can

attract more fans and viewers to watch and buy a ticket, though Bivol is tough and escaping him might be hard for Ramirez

but we never know if how he can use his advantage and try all the best that he got to accomplish this fight and move forward

for the possible next upcoming fight.

[goinmerry]

All those potential fights can be done after this one, promoters will look on outcome of this fight then assess if he can

attract more fans and viewers to watch and buy a ticket, though Bivol is tough and escaping him might be hard for Ramirez

but we never know if how he can use his advantage and try all the best that he got to accomplish this fight and move forward

for the possible next upcoming fight.

I think the winner of Bivol vs Ramirez will now have set to challenge the winner of Beterbiev and Yarde next year.

I want to see Beterbiev vs Bivol that's why the latter needs to win against Ramirez.

Top Rank might make it possible to happen and solve those conflicts why Bivol can't able to set a deal with Top Rank's cash cow Beterbiev.

[agustina2]

I don't think that either Bivol or Beterviev will go because they will be too short for this division.

For sure, if ever these boxers will now achieve being undisputed at their current division they will now try to make an attempt at a much higher division. They don't need to fight those big ones there but they can start doing challenges on mid-rankings.

Either way, let's try to hope first that we will see Bivol facing Beterviev. That will be thrilling to watch.

[TopTort777]

I think the winner of Bivol vs Ramirez will now have set to challenge the winner of Beterbiev and Yarde next year.

I want to see Beterbiev vs Bivol that's why the latter needs to win against Ramirez.

Top Rank might make it possible to happen and solve those conflicts why Bivol can't able to set a deal with Top Rank's cash cow Beterbiev.

There will be only little problem if Beterbiev meets Bivol - where they will fight. It will be Dagestan vs Kyrgyzstan and I am 200% sure that both fighters would like to have this fight on their homeland. Of course promoters gonna try to organize this fight in the US, in Vegas for example. But both fighters will try their best to have this fight somewhere on Russian territory, on the land where they have most fans. With current global situation, that might be a problem.

[btc_angela]

Yes, Beterbiev as per Bob Arum earlier should fight in the UK against Anthony Yarde.

Yes, Arum already laid down the plans for Beterviev to remain as champion up until the end of the year? Perhaps a Bivol fight is also in the calendar next year.

Artur Beterbiev is only 5'11 but his frame is huge, he is strong and he's got power in both hands. Not everybody knew that Beterbiev actually knocked down and hurt Oleksandyr Usyk several times during their amateurs. They fought 3 times and all of them were close. Although I never saw their first fight which Beterbiev won by 12-10. Their 2nd and 3rd fights were close and Beterbiev was the bully and the stronger guy most of the time. And if only knockdowns are valuable then maybe Beterbiev won. And if there were no head gears before in the amateurs then it's really possible that Beterbiev stopped Usyk. The only downside with Beterbiev now is his age. 

His frame is really built to be a good boxer, stout and stocky maybe similar to Manny or even Canelo, big boner type of individual and so they know who to used it to their advantage specially in the sports of boxing. So possible that he can go up to CW maybe later in his career if needed and for sure he can adjust very well because of his physique.

[yazher]

Bivol gave a big interview to DAZN Boxing Show where he shared his thoughts about the upcoming fight with Ramirez, as well as how his life changed after defeating Canelo and a possible rematch with him, and talked about a possible fight against Artur Beterbiev.

It's better for him to finish Ramirez in the early rounds and be ready for a possible re-match with Canelo because their fight was quite amazing and it's a waste to not let them fight again as soon as possible. Looks like the guy will have full schedules when he wins the re-match and maybe also be given a chance to fight in his country against Artur Beterbiev. Nevertheless, he has some good boxing skills which will gonna lead him to the top one day and also dominate the next weight class if he successfully cleans up everyone in their current division.

[Fredomago]

I don't think that either Bivol or Beterviev will go because they will be too short for this division.

For sure, if ever these boxers will now achieve being undisputed at their current division they will now try to make an attempt at a much higher division. They don't need to fight those big ones there but they can start doing challenges on mid-rankings.

Either way, let's try to hope first that we will see Bivol facing Beterviev. That will be thrilling to watch.

Yes, they can move up and try something new, just like how Alvarez did but failed to strip Bivol's belt, but who know both Bivol and Beterviev we can't tell how they are foreseeing their future careers, so far I wanted them to meet and face each other and determine who's going to be the best between them, after beating Ramirez (hopefully he will) a lot of possible setup fight for Bivol more on a money making fight, a rematch with Alvarez or again a huge noise for him and Beterviev.

I think the winner of Bivol vs Ramirez will now have set to challenge the winner of Beterbiev and Yarde next year.

I want to see Beterbiev vs Bivol that's why the latter needs to win against Ramirez.

Top Rank might make it possible to happen and solve those conflicts why Bivol can't able to set a deal with Top Rank's cash cow Beterbiev.

There will be only little problem if Beterbiev meets Bivol - where they will fight. It will be Dagestan vs Kyrgyzstan and I am 200% sure that both fighters would like to have this fight on their homeland. Of course promoters gonna try to organize this fight in the US, in Vegas for example. But both fighters will try their best to have this fight somewhere on Russian territory, on the land where they have most fans. With current global situation, that might be a problem.

On this matter, boxing is a business so it safe to say that the fight if ever will be on the hands of the promoters, if how they will going to sell this fight and how the fans will engage, We know that fighters do like to bring joy with their home crowd but the current setup with Russia not sure if promoters can get the numbers compared if they will set it up inside US soil.

[Vaculin]

Ramirez has a slight advantage in height, although it might be just the shoes that he is wearing.

Even if Ramirez is taller, I think Bivol can offset it with his hand speed and his great footwork.

For reference: Bivol @ 6 ft | Ramirez @ 6'2 ft

Not that much. I refer to some of Bivol's previous opponents and I saw he was once against a 6'3 ft and he won.

Although we can't compare the strengths of each of their previous opponents, we can conclude that height shouldn't be an advantage or disadvantage in this fight between Dmitry Bivol and Zurdo Ramirez. But on the humor side, possibly that Ramirez's shoes make him so much taller in that pic lol.

If only Ramirez will take advantage of his height and reach against Bivol. But then again, Bivol has a good ring IQ so it may have even it up or Bivol will have the slight advantage because of his footwork.

We cannot really know for sure because Ramirez is also an experienced boxer professionally and already fought boxers in his size in 3 different divisions so I think that will give him some good ring IQ somehow too. I'm not pro-Zurdo either but we can't really underestimate him and Bivol should be more careful this time, and expect that Zurdo will use his advantages.

[lionheart78]

So that's a lot of nobodies he fought lol, at 44-0 i think Zurdo has also gained some good experience fighting that much. Zurdo was a former champion in the super middleweight division so i think he also got some pop on his punches though not that hard but still enough for him to be recognized by the boxing community so with that said this would be an exciting fight because like Zurdo, Bivol was a nobody (at least for me) until he fought and won against Canelo.

You can give credit to the promoter/manager for that outstanding record. 

If only Ramirez will take advantage of his height and reach against Bivol. But then again, Bivol has a good ring IQ so it may have even it up or Bivol will have the slight advantage because of his footwork.

We cannot really know for sure because Ramirez is also an experienced boxer professionally and already fought boxers in his size in 3 different divisions so I think that will give him some good ring IQ somehow too. I'm not pro-Zurdo either but we can't really underestimate him and Bivol should be more careful this time, and expect that Zurdo will use his advantages.

Both are experienced boxers so that nullifies the advantage of it.  Ramirez may have the height advantage and may use it to move around the ring avoiding Bivol's charges, but Bivol's move in cutting the ring will be found as one of important factors of the fight.

Aside from that Ramirez punches aren't that quick/fast and can be easily seen when released, they may be powerful enough to KO Bivol but it won't do anything if they can be blocked or evaded.  If Bivol will not get careless on this fight, I think Bivol might end up victorious in the upcoming fight.

[inthelongrun]

Yes, Beterbiev as per Bob Arum earlier should fight in the UK against Anthony Yarde.

Yes, Arum already laid down the plans for Beterviev to remain as champion up until the end of the year? Perhaps a Bivol fight is also in the calendar next year.

I really want Beterbiev and Bivol to fight each other for the undisputed belts. Both Beterbiev and Bivol want the fight. I haven't heard Eddie Hearn's comment on this but I'm interested to hear his side because Bob Arum already said that it's like impossible for these 2 beasts to face each other. Arum might have been realistic that there is not much money for a joint network show. Bivol is with DAZN while Beterbiev is with ESPN and it might be very costly to stage the fight.

For me, the best way to make this fight happen is to let ESPN handle the network solo since Beterbiev is the lineal, WBC, IBF, and WBO champion compared to Bivol's lone WBA belt. But we do need Hearn and DAZN's approval on this. I believe in Hearn and DAZN, they seem willing to sacrifice like letting Haney sign a contract with Top Rank which is with ESPN in order to made the Kambosos undisputed match a reality. But it is still business though. DAZN earlier was mentioned denying PBC as the solo promoter and its network for the mandatory Jermall Charlo-Jaime Mungia fight.

[Dave1]

^^ I think it can be made, previously, this two is no name as far as fans is concern because of their division. But they have dominated it even before the pandemic. and when Bivol won, for sure boxing fans saw what a LHW can do, I mean his performance is a thing of beauty against the best pound for pound. So if DAZN and ESPN saw that there is a demand, maybe it's about time that they sit down and take about this fight in the future.

[Baofeng]

Yes, Beterbiev as per Bob Arum earlier should fight in the UK against Anthony Yarde.

Yes, Arum already laid down the plans for Beterviev to remain as champion up until the end of the year? Perhaps a Bivol fight is also in the calendar next year.

I really want Beterbiev and Bivol to fight each other for the undisputed belts. Both Beterbiev and Bivol want the fight. I haven't heard Eddie Hearn's comment on this but I'm interested to hear his side because Bob Arum already said that it's like impossible for these 2 beasts to face each other. Arum might have been realistic that there is not much money for a joint network show. Bivol is with DAZN while Beterbiev is with ESPN and it might be very costly to stage the fight.

For me, the best way to make this fight happen is to let ESPN handle the network solo since Beterbiev is the lineal, WBC, IBF, and WBO champion compared to Bivol's lone WBA belt. But we do need Hearn and DAZN's approval on this. I believe in Hearn and DAZN, they seem willing to sacrifice like letting Haney sign a contract with Top Rank which is with ESPN in order to made the Kambosos undisputed match a reality. But it is still business though. DAZN earlier was mentioned denying PBC as the solo promoter and its network for the mandatory Jermall Charlo-Jaime Mungia fight.

Yes, it's been years that this fight has been brewing, when Bivol got the belt and Beterviev is destroying his opponents by KO after KO. But I guess Arum as this point is not ready yet, at least for this fight to be made. Sometimes it's really hard to interpret want Arum is saying in the public.

But you laid out a good framework that if they sit down and talk, Arum's ESPN should be the A-side as far as promotion goes as he had almost all the belts. So yeah, it boils down to the business side and what make sense for the network.

[LUCKMCFLY]

44 wins no loss.  That's a lot to say about Ramizer.
A long wait, the fight will be on November 5. There will be a lot of analysis we'll see between the two from the sports pickers. He could be right about Ramizer not having many big fights with big names in his pro career. But he does have the reach advantage. Who knows a Southpaw may stop Bovils reign in his division.

In theory Southpaw will have advantage over Orthodox, moreover Ramirez have a reach advantage too, he could jabs Bivol when he's open his hands. I think the only way Ramirez win is via decision, so he will play distance and need to dodge all of Bivol's punch. But who knows Bivol can find a good moment where Ramirez miscalculate the possible move from Bivol and then he get hit by Bivol that would make him fell sleep.

But Ramirez is slow as compare to Bivol, so even if he jabs then maybe Bivol can counter him with his favorite 1-2 punch, the same style and tactics he did with Canelo. But I have to agree that it might be thru decision if he is going to win. But it's going to be very difficult for Ramirez. But if he think his style will beat Bivol, then just continue and don't change anything. Perhaps the adjustment will be in the fight itself. He has the experienced so I expect to somewhat to do for him to win.

Bivol's style of fighting is something that Ramirez needs to workout and study. He has that good fundamentals where he can convert

with his combination, if Ramirez wants to take him down he needs to convert more and make sure to land a solid combination, he needs

to b more aggressive and more on trying to create an opening to land and convert solid punches into Bivol's critical areas.

You are right, for me Bivol is one of the best Russian boxers in the sport, and he is very focused on what he does, for me Ramírez should not only study him, but against him he should do much more difficult things, and he should start from now on with a very hard training, because the level that Bivol has right now is impressive, his last fights make him look like a machine. I dare to say that Ramirez must be careful of a possible knockout that they can give him, Ramirez has to create a very good strategy, besides Bivol has a very good experience, and the way that boxer is going I don't think he will allow himself a defeat.

Yes, Beterbiev as per Bob Arum earlier should fight in the UK against Anthony Yarde.

Yes, Arum already laid down the plans for Beterviev to remain as champion up until the end of the year? Perhaps a Bivol fight is also in the calendar next year.

I really want Beterbiev and Bivol to fight each other for the undisputed belts. Both Beterbiev and Bivol want the fight. I haven't heard Eddie Hearn's comment on this but I'm interested to hear his side because Bob Arum already said that it's like impossible for these 2 beasts to face each other. Arum might have been realistic that there is not much money for a joint network show. Bivol is with DAZN while Beterbiev is with ESPN and it might be very costly to stage the fight.

For me, the best way to make this fight happen is to let ESPN handle the network solo since Beterbiev is the lineal, WBC, IBF, and WBO champion compared to Bivol's lone WBA belt. But we do need Hearn and DAZN's approval on this. I believe in Hearn and DAZN, they seem willing to sacrifice like letting Haney sign a contract with Top Rank which is with ESPN in order to made the Kambosos undisputed match a reality. But it is still business though. DAZN earlier was mentioned denying PBC as the solo promoter and its network for the mandatory Jermall Charlo-Jaime Mungia fight.

Yes, it's been years that this fight has been brewing, when Bivol got the belt and Beterviev is destroying his opponents by KO after KO. But I guess Arum as this point is not ready yet, at least for this fight to be made. Sometimes it's really hard to interpret want Arum is saying in the public.

But you laid out a good framework that if they sit down and talk, Arum's ESPN should be the A-side as far as promotion goes as he had almost all the belts. So yeah, it boils down to the business side and what make sense for the network.

Well between Arum and Bertiev it would be something of a fight of the titans, I have no doubt that it could be a great fight, everyone will want to see this fight, but I see it as difficult, if only that of Crawford and Spence is in doubt, some think that it will not happen this year, I say that it can happen because it is likely that they can meet in November-December, but what some do not see is that in these months there will be the Qatar soccer world and that will take a large number of fans to be aware of their football, then it will be the ideal time for bettors and boxing fans to be able to take part in these matches, as such, the business model is very good, and those who are used to earning a lot of money, well They won't want to stop doing it.

[Vaculin]

If only Ramirez will take advantage of his height and reach against Bivol. But then again, Bivol has a good ring IQ so it may have even it up or Bivol will have the slight advantage because of his footwork.

We cannot really know for sure because Ramirez is also an experienced boxer professionally and already fought boxers in his size in 3 different divisions so I think that will give him some good ring IQ somehow too. I'm not pro-Zurdo either but we can't really underestimate him and Bivol should be more careful this time, and expect that Zurdo will use his advantages.

Both are experienced boxers so that nullifies the advantage of it.  Ramirez may have the height advantage and may use it to move around the ring avoiding Bivol's charges, but Bivol's move in cutting the ring will be found as one of important factors of the fight.

Aside from that Ramirez punches aren't that quick/fast and can be easily seen when released, they may be powerful enough to KO Bivol but it won't do anything if they can be blocked or evaded.  If Bivol will not get careless on this fight, I think Bivol might end up victorious in the upcoming fight.

I guess there is only one way to find that out, for me, I'll give Zurdo a benefit of the doubt as he also have what it takes to earn his name in this division and might go after Beterbiev if he will be successful in stripping Bivol his belt. But as you said, I cannot also take away the fact that Bivol is truly more agile than Zurdo and that alone might do the trick in outperforming Zurdo.