[Boxing] Naoya Inoue vs Paul Butler - Undisputed Bantamweight Bout - December 13

[Pamadar]

I guess their unification fight will still happen and it's inevitable because both of them are looking forward to make their own respective legacy, although I think there will be some stalling first  and knowing Casimero, he might bark to lift the hype until their fight is official. It might be delayed but it won't last long.

If Inoue will move up, there are champions that he has to beat, Casimero is not a champ so he also needs to win more fights like Inoue's gonna do. I hope to see them fight together because Casimero has been challenging Inoue when he was still a champion, but Inoue just ignore the challenge and fight an old Donaire, I don't know if he is just playing safe or what.

They will have to make way up before fighting the champion. Although Inoue might have the easiest way because he organizations might give him a freeway since he is a champion after all. So maybe Inoue will have 1 fight in 122 lbs, just to test the weight and fighters at this natural weight and after that, he will be set up against the current champion in this division. As compare to Casimero which might have to work very hard just to get a rank in the super bantamweight.

Agree to that, In Inoue's case, he can or his promoters can negotiate with a title holder, while for Casimero, he needs to start from the scratch before he can challenge a belt holder.

Though we don't know if how both camps will negotiate and initiate the possible fight to happen
as the organization will not allow them to direct the deal from each other, they need to follow what
the organization will demand them to do, a process that both camps needs to comply.

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[Natalim]

I guess their unification fight will still happen and it's inevitable because both of them are looking forward to make their own respective legacy, although I think there will be some stalling first  and knowing Casimero, he might bark to lift the hype until their fight is official. It might be delayed but it won't last long.

If Inoue will move up, there are champions that he has to beat, Casimero is not a champ so he also needs to win more fights like Inoue's gonna do. I hope to see them fight together because Casimero has been challenging Inoue when he was still a champion, but Inoue just ignore the challenge and fight an old Donaire, I don't know if he is just playing safe or what.

They will have to make way up before fighting the champion. Although Inoue might have the easiest way because he organizations might give him a freeway since he is a champion after all. So maybe Inoue will have 1 fight in 122 lbs, just to test the weight and fighters at this natural weight and after that, he will be set up against the current champion in this division. As compare to Casimero which might have to work very hard just to get a rank in the super bantamweight.

Agree to that, In Inoue's case, he can or his promoters can negotiate with a title holder, while for Casimero, he needs to start from the scratch before he can challenge a belt holder.

Though we don't know if how both camps will negotiate and initiate the possible fight to happen
as the organization will not allow them to direct the deal from each other, they need to follow what
the organization will demand them to do, a process that both camps needs to comply.

That's the kind of liberty Inoue has, he is in the top 10 for the pound for pound ranking, so he's considered a tough challenger for any champion, and if the promoter of the champion would want to have a big fight that will also make them earn a lot of money, they should be ready fighting Inoue as Inoue is one of the most popular boxers now in the world.

However, for Casimero, it seems like he needs to do a hyping job again in order for him to gain the attention of the fans, and he should also consistently winning.

[Silberman]

Well just seeing the two Naoya Inoue VS Nonito Donaire fight, Naoya Inoue is now at a different level, and I  am not so sure about Paul Butler but in just a short time he is already grown so much for Nonito Donaire to be dominated, by Naoya, he surely has transcends to a new level, now the transition of those punches, and speed if you may that Nonito Donaire hasn't seen, and the likely signature of the Monster, his punching power is really superb, for me, I think Naoya Inoue is still filling up the cup and still not reaching his ceiling to be filled,  for me Naoya Inoue will win over Paul Butler,

If Naoya Inoue has accomplished this fight in such an easy manner then maybe John Riel Casimero will have had a chance with this monster, but that is for the future to unveil because he was stripped of his belt and now he will surely be all starting from below,

He is still vastly improving at this point in his career. As you have said, no one expected him to simply blast Nonito because in their last fight it went full 12 rounds and Nonito broke his orbital bone.

But not this time, Inoue make sure that he will be on top again but this time it will be a clean knock out. So I'm expecting that Inoue will be more hungrier in this fight as this is a unification and most probably his last fight at bantamweight division.

Becoming an undisputed champion is not something that happens every day so I think we will see Inoue doing his absolute best against Butler, which is a shame for Butler because the only realistic chance he had of winning this fight is if Inoue did not took it seriously and did not trained properly, but with the undisputed championship being contested there is almost no chance for this to happen, so the only question is at which round will Inoue win the fight rather than who will win the fight.

Butler is not a real champion because if we still have remembered, it should have been Casimero who will be fighting Inoue if he wasn't disqualified. There's one question that came into my mind, what if Casimero was still the champion, will Inoue still willing to go on a unification fight with him?

I still think that if Casimero would have been able to get on the ring with Butler and beat him that Inoue would have liked to go for the undisputed anyway, and the fight would have attracted way more fans as it would not be as clear who will win the fight and it would have brought way more money for everyone involved, unfortunately it was not meant to be, however assuming Inoue wins I think he will move to the super bantamweight and we may see Casimero and Inoue going at it in that division.

[freedomgo]

I guess their unification fight will still happen and it's inevitable because both of them are looking forward to make their own respective legacy, although I think there will be some stalling first  and knowing Casimero, he might bark to lift the hype until their fight is official. It might be delayed but it won't last long.

If Inoue will move up, there are champions that he has to beat, Casimero is not a champ so he also needs to win more fights like Inoue's gonna do. I hope to see them fight together because Casimero has been challenging Inoue when he was still a champion, but Inoue just ignore the challenge and fight an old Donaire, I don't know if he is just playing safe or what.

They will have to make way up before fighting the champion. Although Inoue might have the easiest way because he organizations might give him a freeway since he is a champion after all. So maybe Inoue will have 1 fight in 122 lbs, just to test the weight and fighters at this natural weight and after that, he will be set up against the current champion in this division. As compare to Casimero which might have to work very hard just to get a rank in the super bantamweight.

Agree to that, In Inoue's case, he can or his promoters can negotiate with a title holder, while for Casimero, he needs to start from the scratch before he can challenge a belt holder.

Though we don't know if how both camps will negotiate and initiate the possible fight to happen
as the organization will not allow them to direct the deal from each other, they need to follow what
the organization will demand them to do, a process that both camps needs to comply.

That's the kind of liberty Inoue has, he is in the top 10 for the pound for pound ranking, so he's considered a tough challenger for any champion, and if the promoter of the champion would want to have a big fight that will also make them earn a lot of money, they should be ready fighting Inoue as Inoue is one of the most popular boxers now in the world.

However, for Casimero, it seems like he needs to do a hyping job again in order for him to gain the attention of the fans, and he should also consistently winning.

That is if that said champion is not scared of Inoue, super-bantam has 2 champions, both acquired 2 belts and still undefeated until now. If they are looking forward to have a legacy then might as well accept if Inoue's camp is aiming for them. Still too early for me because he's still bound for his undisputed title and maybe test the water first before fighting champions. But for Casimero, I agree, he needs to lift his name these days first because he is currently buried in issues. People wanted proof first.

[Japinat]

I guess their unification fight will still happen and it's inevitable because both of them are looking forward to make their own respective legacy, although I think there will be some stalling first  and knowing Casimero, he might bark to lift the hype until their fight is official. It might be delayed but it won't last long.

If Inoue will move up, there are champions that he has to beat, Casimero is not a champ so he also needs to win more fights like Inoue's gonna do. I hope to see them fight together because Casimero has been challenging Inoue when he was still a champion, but Inoue just ignore the challenge and fight an old Donaire, I don't know if he is just playing safe or what.

The same goes for Inoue if he decides to take his skills in the next weight class, he'll start just like what others do to test the waters because aside from that, he can't bring his belts in super bantamweight. His advantage is his status and not his record, that will keep him on hype to take the champions there after just 1 fight. Casimero's situation is different, he is literally starting from scratch in-order to fight the champions, but who knows? Inoue might pick Casimero on his debut and that'll be a nice gift for the fans of both camps.

[Baofeng]

I guess their unification fight will still happen and it's inevitable because both of them are looking forward to make their own respective legacy, although I think there will be some stalling first  and knowing Casimero, he might bark to lift the hype until their fight is official. It might be delayed but it won't last long.

If Inoue will move up, there are champions that he has to beat, Casimero is not a champ so he also needs to win more fights like Inoue's gonna do. I hope to see them fight together because Casimero has been challenging Inoue when he was still a champion, but Inoue just ignore the challenge and fight an old Donaire, I don't know if he is just playing safe or what.

The same goes for Inoue if he decides to take his skills in the next weight class, he'll start just like what others do to test the waters because aside from that, he can't bring his belts in super bantamweight. His advantage is his status and not his record, that will keep him on hype to take the champions there after just 1 fight. Casimero's situation is different, he is literally starting from scratch in-order to fight the champions, but who knows? Inoue might pick Casimero on his debut and that'll be a nice gift for the fans of both camps.

Yes, but I reckon that Inoue can bring his power, but it's better to see it in the future when he decided to move up to super bantamweight. And it only makes sense for Inoue to go up, there's no more challenge for him in 118 lbs after he defeat Butler next.

And again, he talks about the champion in the super bantam and it seems he is looking forward to move up already. While the champion are welcoming him in and they are ready to face him. Stephen Fulton and Murodjon Akhmadaliev is ready for the Monster.

[minime0105]

That's the kind of liberty Inoue has, he is in the top 10 for the pound for pound ranking, so he's considered a tough challenger for any champion, and if the promoter of the champion would want to have a big fight that will also make them earn a lot of money, they should be ready fighting Inoue as Inoue is one of the most popular boxers now in the world.

i will anonymous agree that the more the fight for a popular fighter the more their money increase, so the aspect of Inoue and
Casimero, i will tell you that the both kind of fight is something that have to do with experience, because it's not all about this particular person is popular that means it is in rightful position to win everytime, i think it's a wrong conception, with what I'm seeing now  can not conclude that Casimero will defeat Inoue because of it have more fans or Inoue will defeat because of same reason.

However, for Casimero, it seems like he needs to do a hyping job again in order for him to gain the attention of the fans, and he should also consistently winning.

Hyping does not guaranteed for wining and it's very obvious, what bring wining is you new strategies which the opponents doesn't encourter before, someone people lost fight after they have been hyped and at last they lose the match.

[carlisle1]

I guess their unification fight will still happen and it's inevitable because both of them are looking forward to make their own respective legacy, although I think there will be some stalling first  and knowing Casimero, he might bark to lift the hype until their fight is official. It might be delayed but it won't last long.

If Inoue will move up, there are champions that he has to beat, Casimero is not a champ so he also needs to win more fights like Inoue's gonna do. I hope to see them fight together because Casimero has been challenging Inoue when he was still a champion, but Inoue just ignore the challenge and fight an old Donaire, I don't know if he is just playing safe or what.

The same goes for Inoue if he decides to take his skills in the next weight class, he'll start just like what others do to test the waters because aside from that, he can't bring his belts in super bantamweight. His advantage is his status and not his record, that will keep him on hype to take the champions there after just 1 fight. Casimero's situation is different, he is literally starting from scratch in-order to fight the champions, but who knows? Inoue might pick Casimero on his debut and that'll be a nice gift for the fans of both camps.

Yes, but I reckon that Inoue can bring his power, but it's better to see it in the future when he decided to move up to super bantamweight. And it only makes sense for Inoue to go up, there's no more challenge for him in 118 lbs after he defeat Butler next.

And again, he talks about the champion in the super bantam and it seems he is looking forward to move up already. While the champion are welcoming him in and they are ready to face him. Stephen Fulton and Murodjon Akhmadaliev is ready for the Monster.

That a great catch for Inoue if he and his camp decided to move up, the challenge between the current belt holders is ready
to give him the fight that he wanted to take.

Though it needed for him to complete the chase and hold all the belts from his current division, which is no longer far to happen,
after this fight against Butler, there's nothing more for him.

Deciding to move up will also increase his potential benefits. What more if he will beat the champ and collect more belts
under his name.

[Hypnosis00]

Though it needed for him to complete the chase and hold all the belts from his current division, which is no longer far to happen,
after this fight against Butler, there's nothing more for him.

I'm not anymore thinking of this fight because I know that Inoue will just dominate Butler here.
Not the fight that we wanted to see, but here it is, Inoue's path in becoming an undisputed champion is gonna be easy,  no disrespect to Butler but that's how I see it and probably most of us.

Deciding to move up will also increase his potential benefits. What more if he will beat the champ and collect more belts
under his name.

More money to come for him as mega fights will be created if he will challenge the champions.

[Shamm]

Though it needed for him to complete the chase and hold all the belts from his current division, which is no longer far to happen,
after this fight against Butler, there's nothing more for him.

I'm not anymore thinking of this fight because I know that Inoue will just dominate Butler here.
Not the fight that we wanted to see, but here it is, Inoue's path in becoming an undisputed champion is gonna be easy,  no disrespect to Butler but that's how I see it and probably most of us.

Deciding to move up will also increase his potential benefits. What more if he will beat the champ and collect more belts
under his name.

More money to come for him as mega fights will be created if he will challenge the champions.

Exactly mate as we all know that inoue nowadays in his prime he is unbeatable not because of his technique but all in his speed and power prove that he is a monster in the world of boxing. Butler now is okay and good for me but when he fight against inoue I don't think so if he can knock down the monster and win the fight, maybe in unanimous decision he has a chance but for now I'll go for inoue as he has already prove that in the bantamweight division he is the king.

[Kasabus]

Though it needed for him to complete the chase and hold all the belts from his current division, which is no longer far to happen,
after this fight against Butler, there's nothing more for him.

I'm not anymore thinking of this fight because I know that Inoue will just dominate Butler here.
Not the fight that we wanted to see, but here it is, Inoue's path in becoming an undisputed champion is gonna be easy,  no disrespect to Butler but that's how I see it and probably most of us.

Deciding to move up will also increase his potential benefits. What more if he will beat the champ and collect more belts
under his name.

More money to come for him as mega fights will be created if he will challenge the champions.

Exactly mate as we all know that inoue nowadays in his prime he is unbeatable not because of his technique but all in his speed and power prove that he is a monster in the world of boxing. Butler now is okay and good for me but when he fight against inoue I don't think so if he can knock down the monster and win the fight, maybe in unanimous decision he has a chance but for now I'll go for inoue as he has already prove that in the bantamweight division he is the king.

Bantamweight is the division where he is dominating, and if he will win his next fight and will try to move up, that's the time we will see if Inoue can still carry his power and speed in a higher division. He is very popular now because of his high KO rate, but there's a huge challenge waiting for him, and as a fan, that makes us excited to find out if he can still succeed.

[Shamm]

Bantamweight is the division where he is dominating, and if he will win his next fight and will try to move up, that's the time we will see if Inoue can still carry his power and speed in a higher division. He is very popular now because of his high KO rate, but there's a huge challenge waiting for him, and as a fan, that makes us excited to find out if he can still succeed.

Yes mate there many big fights waiting for him in the higher division in the world of boxing but I think if inoue want to fight in higher weight then the chances of winning are getting smaller. As we all know that in the higher division, strength and power are bases to win the fight. but if even inoue rise his weight and the power and speed are there for him then he can win because the more his speed getting quicklier the more chance he win.

[Japinat]

Bantamweight is the division where he is dominating, and if he will win his next fight and will try to move up, that's the time we will see if Inoue can still carry his power and speed in a higher division. He is very popular now because of his high KO rate, but there's a huge challenge waiting for him, and as a fan, that makes us excited to find out if he can still succeed.

Yes mate there many big fights waiting for him in the higher division in the world of boxing but I think if inoue want to fight in higher weight then the chances of winning are getting smaller. As we all know that in the higher division, strength and power are bases to win the fight. but if even inoue rise his weight and the power and speed are there for him then he can win because the more his speed getting quicklier the more chance he win.

He will slowly go up, just like Manny Pacquiao did. About his chances, we never know, but one thing I know is that he will be a scary opponent to the champions, and it's nice to see him not playing safe as he will try to push his limit to be one of the greatest in boxing industry.

[stadus]

Bantamweight is the division where he is dominating, and if he will win his next fight and will try to move up, that's the time we will see if Inoue can still carry his power and speed in a higher division. He is very popular now because of his high KO rate, but there's a huge challenge waiting for him, and as a fan, that makes us excited to find out if he can still succeed.

Yes mate there many big fights waiting for him in the higher division in the world of boxing but I think if inoue want to fight in higher weight then the chances of winning are getting smaller. As we all know that in the higher division, strength and power are bases to win the fight. but if even inoue rise his weight and the power and speed are there for him then he can win because the more his speed getting quicklier the more chance he win.

He will slowly go up, just like Manny Pacquiao did. About his chances, we never know, but one thing I know is that he will be a scary opponent to the champions, and it's nice to see him not playing safe as he will try to push his limit to be one of the greatest in boxing industry.

He can follow the footstep of Manny Pacquiao but he will never beat the achievement of Pacquiao who is the only 8th division champion. Inoue though one of the most popular boxers now I find him not a total risk taker as he does not accept every challenge on him, just like when Casimero was still a champ and he was challenged, he did respond to words that he will fight him but did not sign a contract, not sure if it's his promoter of it's really him who is not interested in fighting his closest rival.

[chaser15]

He can follow the footstep of Manny Pacquiao but he will never beat the achievement of Pacquiao who is the only 8th division champion. Inoue though one of the most popular boxers now I find him not a total risk taker as he does not accept every challenge on him, just like when Casimero was still a champ and he was challenged, he did respond to words that he will fight him but did not sign a contract, not sure if it's his promoter of it's really him who is not interested in fighting his closest rival.

I don't believe that Naoya Inoue is not interested in fighting Casimero. They already have an official fight but the pandemic wrecked that fight. And to clarify things about that supposed bout between Inoue and Casimero, it's the WBO that stepped up and mandate the latter to defend his title against Paul Butler who later on got the WBO title from him and now has a chance to fight Inoue.

There's no way that Inoue will not fight Casimero. Inoue is ready for anyone. Blame Casimero for his reckless action as he should be the one fighting for the bantamweight unification fight and not Paul Butler. He's the reason why he never has a chance now to face Inoue.

[goinmerry]

Yes mate there many big fights waiting for him in the higher division in the world of boxing but I think if inoue want to fight in higher weight then the chances of winning are getting smaller. As we all know that in the higher division, strength and power are bases to win the fight. but if even inoue rise his weight and the power and speed are there for him then he can win because the more his speed getting quicklier the more chance he win.

Boxers know their capability that's why while moving up weight, their respective body is adopting the new environment.

Before, I'm sure Pacquiao will reach the Welterweight Division as it's a rare case for a PH boxer to fight in that division but he did. It's because he did it slowly but surely and he didn't just jump right away making his body adopt every weight division he enters.

Naoya Inoue can be the same too and only him knows if he is capable of fighting at much higher divisions.

[carlisle1]

Bantamweight is the division where he is dominating, and if he will win his next fight and will try to move up, that's the time we will see if Inoue can still carry his power and speed in a higher division. He is very popular now because of his high KO rate, but there's a huge challenge waiting for him, and as a fan, that makes us excited to find out if he can still succeed.

Yes mate there many big fights waiting for him in the higher division in the world of boxing but I think if inoue want to fight in higher weight then the chances of winning are getting smaller. As we all know that in the higher division, strength and power are bases to win the fight. but if even inoue rise his weight and the power and speed are there for him then he can win because the more his speed getting quicklier the more chance he win.

He will slowly go up, just like Manny Pacquiao did. About his chances, we never know, but one thing I know is that he will be a scary opponent to the champions, and it's nice to see him not playing safe as he will try to push his limit to be one of the greatest in boxing industry.

On my personal take, each fighter wanted to achieve the most that they can in their careers. Like what you said, the threat to anyone
who holds the title is high since Inoue is possible to beat them.

We will know what the fate of Inoue will be once he already shown his interest or once he already announces that he's ready to move
up and challenge the champ.

Until then, we are all going to wait for the final decision and expect another great fight from Inoue.

[harizen]

He can follow the footstep of Manny Pacquiao but he will never beat the achievement of Pacquiao who is the only 8th division champion. Inoue though one of the most popular boxers now I find him not a total risk taker as he does not accept every challenge on him, just like when Casimero was still a champ and he was challenged, he did respond to words that he will fight him but did not sign a contract, not sure if it's his promoter of it's really him who is not interested in fighting his closest rival.

I think the topic here shouldn't lead to Inoue beating the achievement of Pacquaio. That is surely out of his vocabulary and plan.

He will just go with the flow, defeating all of his opponents on the way and if he will reached the same achievement as Pacquiao, then that is something he didn't target but just do his thing to always win.

About the chances of him meeting Casimero in the future, it's possible although Quadro Alas needs to start building his rank in the Super Bantamweight.

[Baofeng]

He can follow the footstep of Manny Pacquiao but he will never beat the achievement of Pacquiao who is the only 8th division champion. Inoue though one of the most popular boxers now I find him not a total risk taker as he does not accept every challenge on him, just like when Casimero was still a champ and he was challenged, he did respond to words that he will fight him but did not sign a contract, not sure if it's his promoter of it's really him who is not interested in fighting his closest rival.

I don't believe that Naoya Inoue is not interested in fighting Casimero. They already have an official fight but the pandemic wrecked that fight. And to clarify things about that supposed bout between Inoue and Casimero, it's the WBO that stepped up and mandate the latter to defend his title against Paul Butler who later on got the WBO title from him and now has a chance to fight Inoue.

Yeah, Inoue shows intention that he did want to fight Casimero and that time, it was doable, Casimero will just have to defend his belt against Butler. And with the way he bad mouthing Inoue, Naoya is very eager to shut the mouth of the Filipino. Unfortunately, the fight is not going to happen in 118 lbs.

There's no way that Inoue will not fight Casimero. Inoue is ready for anyone. Blame Casimero for his reckless action as he should be the one fighting for the bantamweight unification fight and not Paul Butler. He's the reason why he never has a chance now to face Inoue.

True, he really killed his chances when he can't control the weight and not it's Paul Butler who is taking his position. But as I have said, there is still chance for them to meet in the next weight class of 122. So we will see, Casimero has a scheduled fight already this December, he just have to win again to keep our hopes of seeing this fight in the future.

[Pamadar]

About the chances of him meeting Casimero in the future, it's possible although Quadro Alas needs to start building his rank in the Super Bantamweight.

And as for the experienced watching Casimero, he's always on a mission where he wanted to earn his spot.

Though it's no longer the same weight where he manages to dominate and win the belt, it's another challenge for him
beating stronger opponents.

The chance for meeting Inoue will be there after he accomplished establishing his resume from this new division that
he choose to move,.